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k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT

Welcome to #K12ArtChat tonight w/host @ArtistStrong as we talk abt The Myth of the Talented Artist

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ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Thanks for having me everyone! I am looking forward to this conversation. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @k12artchat

NewberrysArt Jul 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Good evening! Jeri, K-2 Art from Sheridan #k12artchat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Are you ready to chat!!! #K12ArtChat the time is now!

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Great to see you Jeri! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @NewberrysArt

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT

Tonight we will be following the Q1/A1 Format be sure to use #K12ArtChat at the end of responses so others can follow!

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT

We love the support #K12ArtChat gets from @participate

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GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:32 PM EDT

We love the support #K12ArtChat gets from @participate

participatechat Jul 27 @ 9:30 PM EDT

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ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT

I'm excited to dig into #k12artchat. I have taught everything from Pre-K through to adults. But most of my teaching exp has been 9-12.

LaurenWellArt Jul 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT

Hello everybody. Middle school art teacher from Plano, Tx. #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:33 PM EDT

Hello All, Laura here from TX so happy it's time for #K12ArtChat w/ @artiststrong

smelvin Jul 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Hey #k12artchat, Samantha here, out of the classroom, working w #artsed teachers across the country, & moderating @TXarted bookstudy

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Good evening #K12ArtChat , Matt from TX, K-5, 1/2 of #TeamGrundler

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Hi #K12ArtChat friends, Spiri from PA, excited to join in tonight 😊

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Sam, So glad you are with us tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @smelvin, @TXarted

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Super exciting to be about to embark on your first year!! #K12ArtChat "officially"

In reply to @LaurenWellArt

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Been a while glad to see you tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Hello #K12ArtChat I'm TIm, HS #art & #media teacher on my summer travel tour- from Savannah to NY to Newport this week!

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Yeah! thanks for being here tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @LaurenWellArt

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Love that you are here but I also love her! #K12ArtChat #poppy

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Hi #K12ArtChat friends, Spiri from PA, excited to join in tonight 😊

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT

hi, Kyle from Chicago happy to join you all tonight #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:36 PM EDT

we are glad you are hosting tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @ArtistStrong

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT

Q1: What does the word “talent” mean to you? #K12ArtChat

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT

Hey, #K12ArtChat Michelle, Instructional Coach/Art Lover from sunny OR!

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT

looking forward to the #K12ArtChat David from DC area (author: Creative You)

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:37 PM EDT

glad you are here tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @mdeHSD

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Jeremy from Connecticut. Here primarily as a parent of creative daughters and an arts lover. #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Thank you, happy to be here #K12ArtChat

In reply to @Artguy76

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Hey #K12ArtChat I'm Mariah! Teaching HS in Fulshear TX! Excited for tonight's chat!

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A1: So we started off with a hard one- something that someone feels successful at naturally but...... there's more to the story #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

We are glad you are joining us tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @Davidbgoldstein

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

I have some resources tonight with links I'll be sharing. There's some great research out there on this topic. #k12artchat

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A1 Talent is when people naturally have the skills others need to learn, not the most important element for success but helpful! #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Awesome! So glad to have you here to chat with #K12ArtChat

In reply to @MrsTorresCFHS

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Hello #K12artchat Barbara, PK - 5 art from RI joining in

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A1: Talent is to think in a different way, willing to try something they have no idea how to use. #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Fantastic! Always happy to see you Jeremy! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Me too!!! Confession: Pitch Perfect is my guilty pleasure 😂😂 #K12ArtChat

In reply to @GrundlerArt

KendallArtsAlot Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

#k12ArtChat Kendall, PK-5, Atlanta, GA

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A1: I think of talent as ability to pick things up easily. Its not skill- it affects how much work is needed to gain a skill #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Thanks for joining tonight! #K12ArtChat glad you are here.

In reply to @art_inklings

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Nothing to be ashamed of........I'm right there with you! #k12ArtChat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A1: Talent to me means passonionately devoted to craft and usually requires lots of practice! #K12ArtChat

LaurenWellArt Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A1 practice. If you have talent then you love what you're doing so much that you practice it. #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

We are glad you are joining us tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @MrsTorresCFHS

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Were you in Newport this past week? #k12artchat

In reply to @timneedles, @TelfairMuseums

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A1 I have concern w/the word talent bc some describe talent as something fixed, a summary of/or measurement of our total ability #k12artchat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A1)Talent = how you're hard-wired, its instinct, it's what sets the concept apart from that of knowledge or skills #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Thanks for being here to share with us tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @art_inklings

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A1: Perhaps talent comes from our propensity to develop abilities by practice, #K12ArtChat part innate, part environment

KendallArtsAlot Jul 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A1: Talent is having skills and using those skills successfuly #K12ArtChat

NadYPaint Jul 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Hi I'm Nadyia ,2-5 Art in Miami! #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT

That is pretty talented! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT

A1:talent-a gift you are born w/that makes you naturally good at something. It isn't necessary in order to be great-hard work is #K12ArtChat

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Reahna from Jacksonville 17 future chorus teacher #k12artchat

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Q2: What Arguments or Beliefs have you heard around talent, Art Class or Being an Artist? #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Absolutely. But the research I've read suggests we place WAY too much emphasis on the innate.... #K12ArtChat

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A1: Perhaps talent comes from our propensity to develop abilities by practice, #K12ArtChat part innate, part environment

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

#K12artchat Talent are those skills that distinguish one person from another

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Thanks for being here to share tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @KendallArtsAlot

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

A1) #Talent is a subjective measure of natural skill. Most of what's perceived as talent is seriousness and effort. #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Yes, @timneedles Key word is natural, I see talent as something innate, or God given #k12ArtChat

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A1 Talent is when people naturally have the skills others need to learn, not the most important element for success but helpful! #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

A2: Is it talent or is time? A passion, desire, grit? https://t.co/foCdPdP4IS @Gladwell ? #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT

we are glad you are here tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @MrsTorresCFHS

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A1 Angela Duckworth: “When I say “talent,” I mean specifically the rate at which a person improves in skill.” #k12artchat

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT

@tompetty was terrific last night, thanks! On my way to @Newportfolkfest tomorrow! #k12artchat #k12artchallenge

In reply to @GrundlerArt, @TelfairMuseums, @tompetty, @Newportfolkfest

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A1 link reference: https://t.co/LBVTyvx2Y0) #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT

glad you are sharing with us tonight! #K12ArtChat

In reply to @ImTheRealReRe

smelvin Jul 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT

#k12artchat A1: I believe talent is a certain level of ability for a specific task/craft but I do believe that talent can be nurtured w time

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT

That's my point- time invested? Desire? #K12ArtCHat

In reply to @ArtistStrong

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A2: Belief that talent is somehow genetically acquired. I think artistic tendencies come more from growing up around art? #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT

I can do "doll eye" only close one eye keep other open #Freak #k12ArtChat

KendallArtsAlot Jul 27 @ 9:45 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat I love this definition, esp the "subjective measure of natural skill"

In reply to @JeremyDBond

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A1 Ericsson: “Height and body size are the only genetically predetermined traits that can't be altered much through practice..." #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A1 and have a meaningful impact on performance.” https://t.co/NsAx6GCStp #k12artchat

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Like what others are saying follow them & grow your #PLN #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Well that is true talent! #k12ArtChat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

LaurenWellArt Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A2 "I'm not talented like that". It takes patients/practice to develop skills/talent. You put yourself down before you even try #k12artchat

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A2: I always hear people say they can't draw _ or can't sculpt _ because they aren't talented -confidence & practice matter more #K12ArtChat

NadYPaint Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A1 Talent is a tough one to put one definition to for me. It's a little innate but goes nowhere without it being used. #K12artchat

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A1: talent is dedication. It doesn't come easy to everyone and you still have to practice to keep improving. #k12artchat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Useful definition. You're not born with the ability to paint or sing. But certain people will later do it better, faster. #k12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A1 Angela Duckworth: “When I say “talent,” I mean specifically the rate at which a person improves in skill.” #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

absolutely. Yes. I like her definition for this reason. It's not about some imagined innate predisposition. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @GrundlerArt

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A2 Students often believe that you need talent to be good in art & I share that drive, persistence & skill are more important! #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A2: you are an artist, you are so creative! Come on your the artist you draw better than me. #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A2) You are artistic or you aren't, was told I had no artistic ability by my art T in 6th grade #K12ArtChat

KendallArtsAlot Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat A2: Art talent is like sports talent, even people who have natural skill still practice to get better and build their talent

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

I agree! Exposure has a lot to do with it People always say Gkids are talented and I say it's because they see & make art w/ us #K12ArtChat

In reply to @mdeHSD

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

I've taken classes w/ Sketchbookskool & @DannyGregory says anyone can draw w/out talent! Try to reinforce that w/ my students! #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

AMEN. That's what the research tells us too. #K12ArtChat

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A2: I always hear people say they can't draw _ or can't sculpt _ because they aren't talented -confidence & practice matter more #K12ArtChat

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A2: Myth: I’m not creative (or talented) because I can’t draw #K12ArtChat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Just like identifying giftedness, talent is more than a measure of skill. It's an amalgam of factors; skill is one. #gtchat #k12ArtChat

In reply to @GrundlerArt, @Gladwell

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Everyone can pin point that one time they are no good at art. “ I always ask when did it happen” #K12ArtChat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

#k12artchat https://t.co/v8m9iwcuPd

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

good for you that's awesome! #K12ArtChat

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

I've taken classes w/ Sketchbookskool & @DannyGregory says anyone can draw w/out talent! Try to reinforce that w/ my students! #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

I like to think so! Got me out of MANY non thrilling dates "Oouch, my eye!" 😂😂😂 #k12ArtChat

In reply to @GrundlerArt

smelvin Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

I believe "practice makes perfect" it just takes some people a little more time to master some skills #k12artchat A2 https://t.co/pRIYjRQ0dZ

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Q3: What strategies can we use to reinforce effort in our learning environment? #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Something you talk about in your book, for sure! :) #K12ArtChat

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A2: Myth: I’m not creative (or talented) because I can’t draw #K12ArtChat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Thanks. It is subjective, and the other individual perceives it to come naturally. Talented people hide how hard it was. #K12artchat

In reply to @KendallArtsAlot

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT

A1 Great answer to what about genes? https://t.co/dMqn9x6exO #k12artchat

KendallArtsAlot Jul 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat A3: Value the process as much (or more) as the product.

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT

A2: In HS I was told I was too smart to go to art school. No teachers really encouraged my skill development in the arts. #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

And research shows we like to celebrate people w/perceived innate ability over people who work hard. Duckworth in her book Grit #K12ArtChat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Thanks. It is subjective, and the other individual perceives it to come naturally. Talented people hide how hard it was. #K12artchat
In reply to @KendallArtsAlot

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A3: To show many forms of talent and many styles of creativity (often related to our personality type and individuality) #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Funny thing, I greatly enjoyed & excelled in art in elem grades...hit middle school & I stunk ?? 🤔🤔 oh those MS yrs #k12ArtChat

In reply to @Artguy76

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

SO VERY IMPORTANT! #K12ArtChat

KendallArtsAlot Jul 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat A3: Value the process as much (or more) as the product.

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat Q3 persistence in knowledge and skills can help develop talent

smelvin Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A3: Try, try, try again!! #k12artchat Also... If it's hard, try harder! Developing effort, risk taking, grit, discipline and work ethic

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A3: Craftsmanship- currently reading this https://t.co/LFao4sB1nJ on a recommendation from @MonaLisaLvsHeah #K12artchat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A2) "Doing art" is "important" educationally and culturally but isn't a way to make a living. Anyone can do it. It's not hard. #K12artchat

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Q2: What Arguments or Beliefs have you heard around talent, Art Class or Being an Artist? #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A2: the innate nature and description of talent our society often describes leaves little room for students to grow, take risk.. #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A3: Drawing prompts, projects w/ a cause, pulling in other subject areas too! #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A2 or feel it’s worth their time. “How can I possibly improve if it’s about talent?” #k12artchat

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A3 I model good work ethic & share my belief that "the key to success is basically just work & persistence" w/ students #K12ArtChat

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A3:working on making creation of ideas and critique a more crucial part of instruction vs. over emphasizing the final product. #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat some of this is about our need for more ed on "deliberate practice" we plateau bc we need a new level of feedback, challenge..

In reply to @itsmeSpiri, @Artguy76

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT

It can be scary but worth the risk #K12ArtCHat

In reply to @ArtistStrong

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A3: So little art is created at ele level here. Teachers apologize 4 using time for art. 😐Kids need time to play with materials.#K12ArtChat

LaurenWellArt Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A3 Ss need more time to play with materials. Then they can use that media in their own style. It builds confidence #k12artchat

smelvin Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A3 Interesting --this relates so strongly to #mindset -- not giving up when something doesn't go our way... #k12artchat #taeamindset

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A2: my grandma said she didn't want me going to an art school because she didn't want me to be stuck up like the other kids. #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

I have a lot of my Ss go back & get feedback from 3 others before they move to the next step. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @ArtistStrong, @itsmeSpiri

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

Why is that? We'd rather it not involve hard work? Or maybe we assume those who had to work for it aren't truly talented? #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:52 PM EDT
And research shows we like to celebrate people w/perceived innate ability over people who work hard. Duckworth in her book Grit #K12ArtChat
- JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:50 PM EDT
  
  Thanks. It is subjective, and the other individual perceives it to come naturally. Talented people hide how hard it was. #K12artchat
  In reply to @KendallArtsAlot

NadYPaint Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A2 "I don't even know how to draw a stick figure" #k12artchat

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A3: I always liked phrase "practice makes better" not perfect- too many think good isn't good enough making them feel untalented #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

So true :( we shouldn't be apologizing #K12ArtChat

In reply to @mdeHSD

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A3 There is a formula for skill development we can apply to the classroom… from research by anders ericsson #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A3 (1) Well-defined, specific goals. #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A3 “Puts baby steps together to reach a longer term goal.” #k12artchat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT

What, art is elitist? #K12ArtChat

In reply to @ImTheRealReRe

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Nice thought! #k12artchat

In reply to @GrundlerArt, @ArtistStrong

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A3 FOCUS - or dare I say, mindfulness? (during the practice) #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:56 PM EDT

I always tell Ss, we don’t make perfect in this room. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @WoodArtEd

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT

Q4: What are changes/ Additions we can make in instruction that will help Ss see greater skill develop. during their time w/ us? #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT

A3 (4) Feedback #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT

A3 and lastly - Extend outside of your comfort zone #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:57 PM EDT

So true! I remember wanting to know what to work on, but specific feedback (pos or neg) was never given #k12ArtChat

In reply to @ArtistStrong, @Artguy76

e_nvgt Jul 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT

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In reply to @ArtistStrong

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Many artists had grit but didn't live to see their success #frida #vangogh #endlesslist #K12ArtChat #backstory it's often bout patron/money

In reply to @JeremyDBond

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:58 PM EDT

seriously! #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM EDT

So true :( we shouldn't be apologizing #K12ArtChat
In reply to @mdeHSD

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

people you've never met is wrong. #k12artchat

In reply to @k12artchat

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

I make it a point to emphasize that I still make mistakes constantly despite practicing longer than my students have been alive #K12artchat

In reply to @Artguy76

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

She surveyed people and they were more comfortable when it was perceived innate #K12ArtChat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Q3 #K12artchat I like to say - effort leads to excellence. Effort is so important

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Q4:Just finished @GeorgeCouros IM book- working on digital portfolios to show continued progress and reflection! #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Chat is flying - this will be a good one to read again on @particpate #K12ArtChat @ArtistStrong

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Higher expectations as you get older? Like when you ask young kids who can draw, all of them raise their hand. Few adults would. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri, @Artguy76

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A4: Encourage them to develop unique talents (writing, art, poetry) to serve as a medium for expressing ideas. #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A3) Develop a culture of Feedback, T to S, peer to peer, + & - specific #K12ArtChat

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A4: I try to reach my "math minded" students by showing them math in art. Sometimes opens their mind up to try at art. #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

think about it - if it's under our control... well, we are responsible for the level of talent in our lives. For everything. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A4: I do a sketchbook swap w/ high Art 1 Ss, over the year. they get to see how they improved & what to inspire too. #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

Reflect with us next week - how do you practice #reflectiveteaching ? #K12ArtChat 8.3.17 at 8:30 pm

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

Reflect with us next week - how do you practice #reflectiveteaching ? #K12ArtChat 8.3.17 at 8:30 pm

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

A4: Encourage them to develop unique talents (writing, art, music) to serve as a medium for expressing ideas. #K12ArtChat

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

I like that! #k12artchat

In reply to @Artguy76, @WoodArtEd

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

that is threatening to some. Including teachers and artists I've spoken to in my own interactions. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

A4 I found adding written reflections w/ class critiques help to let students see their growth & the #art skills their building #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

AWESOME! PROCESS & PRODUCT - growth over time #K12ArtChat

In reply to @MrsTorresCFHS, @GeorgeCouros

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

"Too smart" for art school. So much messaging in there, and it's all wrong. #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:51 PM EDT

A2: In HS I was told I was too smart to go to art school. No teachers really encouraged my skill development in the arts. #k12artchat

immandymatthews Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

A1: Talent is being able to stick with it. Work. Excel. Gifted. Share. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

great for them to observe progress and set goals #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A4: I do a sketchbook swap w/ high Art 1 Ss, over the year. they get to see how they improved & what to inspire too. #K12ArtChat

LaurenWellArt Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

A4 digital portfolios. Ss can upload sketches and final products. Ss can look back on their progress #k12artchat

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

People she's never even met is wrong. #k12artchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

so very true #K12ArtChat

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Q3 #K12artchat I like to say - effort leads to excellence. Effort is so important

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

A4: Make sure they know the objective! The why! break down the process #K12ArtChat can they answer the essential questions #pisdcreatesart

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

Wha... WHY? Ugh. #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A2) You are artistic or you aren't, was told I had no artistic ability by my art T in 6th grade #K12ArtChat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:02 PM EDT

A3 I have a free 7 day drawing challenge where I break down the formula Ericsson found if you want more: https://t.co/5FurWtvYeE #k12artchat

NadYPaint Jul 27 @ 10:02 PM EDT

A3 I get more effort with quick hands on asgnments. Things Ss feel they can take home and use/look at that day #K12ArtChat #thehnowculture

immandymatthews Jul 27 @ 10:02 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat I'm not creative. I can't draw...Like this is the only way to create.

In reply to @k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:02 PM EDT

For sure #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

A4: Make sure they know the objective! The why! break down the process #K12ArtChat can they answer the essential questions #pisdcreatesart

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:02 PM EDT

Special treat after the chat we'll be on @youtube live with @artiststrong to wrap up and hear thoughts - tweet me ?s for her #K12ArtChat

Davidbgoldstein Jul 27 @ 10:02 PM EDT

A4: And notice where the students get stuck in their development and help them step out of the mud #K12ArtChat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:03 PM EDT

Oh yeah, all about. we will get on it early & set a schedule. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @LaurenWellArt

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:03 PM EDT

Yes GRIT is so important! Angela Duckworth is a great read. She has a quiz for grit too https://t.co/IPMIL4wl0s #K12ArtChat

immandymatthews Jul 27 @ 10:00 PM EDT

A1: Talent is being able to stick with it. Work. Excel. Gifted. Share. #K12ArtChat
In reply to @k12artchat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:04 PM EDT

It's like, you can have a talent for writing. Do you like to do it? DO you do it? (Beyond the obligatory.) #K12ArtChat

NadYPaint Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A1 Talent is a tough one to put one definition to for me. It's a little innate but goes nowhere without it being used. #K12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:04 PM EDT

A4 Ask students to list out ideas of how to extend outside of their comfort zone. #k12artchat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 10:04 PM EDT

Was also told that I was going to NEED calculus 🙄🙄🙄 #whatever #ThatWasThen #k12ArtChat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 10:05 PM EDT

A4: give honest feedback. #k12artchat

immandymatthews Jul 27 @ 10:05 PM EDT

A3: Accountability. SHOW their work. Make them talk about it! Choice. #k12artchat

In reply to @k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:05 PM EDT

A4tell your kids about the formula Ericsson found that ALL experts use2 "become talented" let them choose to invest in practice #k12artchat

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 10:05 PM EDT

A4: Being an artist requires u 2 b an excellent observer. Some kids need help w/ the power of observation b4 creating anything. #K12ArtChat

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:06 PM EDT

Like what others are saying follow them & grow your #PLN #K12ArtChat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:06 PM EDT

When I draw it doesn't look like talent, but am I expressing myself? Often the message moves others more than the thing it's in. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @WoodArtEd

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:06 PM EDT

Wouldn't it be great to have @angeladuckw host #K12ArtChat @ArtistStrong

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 9:47 PM EDT

absolutely. Yes. I like her definition for this reason. It's not about some imagined innate predisposition. #K12ArtChat
In reply to @GrundlerArt

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:06 PM EDT

Yes. this is part of skill development! #K12ArtChat

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 10:05 PM EDT

A4: Being an artist requires u 2 b an excellent observer. Some kids need help w/ the power of observation b4 creating anything. #K12ArtChat

MonaLisaLvsHeah Jul 27 @ 10:06 PM EDT

Hi #k12artchat Sorry so late, have been working on something, so just joining. Will catch up in the am.

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:07 PM EDT

Q5: What responses can we prepare to offer Ps/Ts/Admins who might still believe in this myth? #K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 10:07 PM EDT

Giiiirl, you got that right...YASSS THE WHY --> @GrundlerArt #k12artchat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:01 PM EDT

A4: Make sure they know the objective! The why! break down the process #K12ArtChat can they answer the essential questions #pisdcreatesart

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:07 PM EDT

A5: Give them a copy of The Talent Code by Daniel Coyle or Peak by Anders Ericsson :) #k12artchat

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:08 PM EDT

Absolutely, at the Elem. we give as many different medium as possible. (Include digital). #K12ArtChat

In reply to @immandymatthews, @k12artchat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:08 PM EDT

THANK YOU!! Don't we all like to know the "WHY" I know adults appreciate it #K12ArtCHat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

A5 https://t.co/VdX0glAMul #k12artchat

timneedles - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

A5 I find parents/teachers can be more resistant to challenging the "talent myth" in class but sharing examples & pics help! #K12ArtChat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

Yup. #Talent is in the eye of the beholder. The artist's perspective almost doesn't matter in the determination of talent. #k12ArtChat

In reply to @GrundlerArt

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

A5 There will be resistance. I face it all the time talking about this. People are threatened for a few reasons... #k12artchat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

I could spend the next few years reading!! #K12ArtChat my book list is growing

In reply to @ArtistStrong

WoodArtEd Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

I was lucky early on a good teacher told me if you aren't failing half the time you're not pushing yourself hard enough #k12artchat

In reply to @im4art_linda, @itsmeSpiri, @uwoshkosh

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

A5 Grit means we all are capable of great things, & puts greater onus on us to do more - pressure! Or feelings of inadequacy. #k12artchat

smelvin Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

This: "investing in practice" is an important concept to understand and apply... #k12artchat A4

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:05 PM EDT

A4tell your kids about the formula Ericsson found that ALL experts use2 "become talented" let them choose to invest in practice #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:10 PM EDT

A5 We can feel disheartened we didn’t know this sooner and wish we could reach more or previous students. #k12artchat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:10 PM EDT

#k12ArtChat

im4art_linda Jul 27 @ 10:07 PM EDT

Sam Yates @uwoshkosh told us none of us would be painters until we got an "F" in painting.
In reply to @WoodArtEd, @itsmeSpiri, @uwoshkosh

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:10 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat

NewberrysArt Jul 27 @ 10:09 PM EDT

A6, I am going to start making time. Summer was my time to read & now I don't want that to stop.Making a commitment!

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:10 PM EDT

A5 Some people like2 feel like their art is what makes them special. Their unique voice in art is what makes everyone special.. #k12artchat

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:11 PM EDT

A5 , not their skill. Skill is something we are all capable of developing, with the right kind of practice. deliberate practice #k12artchat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:11 PM EDT

#k12ArtChat

im4art_linda Jul 27 @ 10:11 PM EDT

My figure drawing Professor Osborne used to say the hardest thing was to make the first mark on the paper.
In reply to @GrundlerArt, @ArtistStrong

LaurenWellArt Jul 27 @ 10:11 PM EDT

Since we are talking about books. Any suggestions for a 1st yr teacher ? #k12artchat

NadYPaint Jul 27 @ 10:12 PM EDT

Q5 I encourage them to sit in in the class and do the assignment with the ss and I. Results speak for themselves. #K12ArtChat

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 10:12 PM EDT

Q5 #K12artchat No one is born a chef or astronaut, you develop your skills and knowledge through persistence - same for art

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:12 PM EDT

Threatening bc they feel pressure to work at it? If it's innate there's nothing they can do about it if it's not already there? #k12artchat

In reply to @ArtistStrong

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 10:12 PM EDT

A5: talent doesn't stop learning. it increases it. #k12artchat

smelvin Jul 27 @ 10:13 PM EDT

These look like interesting resources #k12artchat #taeaIM #artsed @ArtistStrong thank you!

ArtistStrong Jul 27 @ 10:07 PM EDT

A5: Give them a copy of The Talent Code by Daniel Coyle or Peak by Anders Ericsson :) #k12artchat

im4art_linda Jul 27 @ 10:13 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat I am sitting in downtown Waupun. Sorry I missed most of the chat I went to a concert in the park instead.

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:13 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat Talk with Carrie Brummer https://t.co/eAkr7BzgNy

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:13 PM EDT

Ok we are going live with @artiststrong #K12ArtChat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:13 PM EDT

If you didn't need it then nobody did. What a lousy thing for a teacher to say. #k12artchat

In reply to @itsmeSpiri

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:14 PM EDT

Big thanks to @ArtistStrong for hosting tonights & to all of you for making this chat so amazing as always! #K12ArtChat

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:15 PM EDT

Get ready it is time to reflect w/ #Reflect31#TeamGrundler will host #K12ArtChat the importance of reflection as the new school yr starts!

2artrooms Jul 27 @ 10:15 PM EDT

A2: I know that not everyone in my class is an artist. I try to shift the focus to being creative for different careers. #k12artchat

MrsTorresCFHS Jul 27 @ 10:15 PM EDT

Invite them into your class to see all the amazingness! Show them the process-make a parent newsletter with art-room updates!#K12ArtChat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 10:15 PM EDT

A5) Must communicate that Ts assess student learning, not assessing S artwork #K12ArtChat

k12artchat - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:16 PM EDT

Send me your questions for @artiststrong #K12ArtChat

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:16 PM EDT

Send me your questions for @artiststrong #K12ArtChat

art_inklings Jul 27 @ 10:16 PM EDT

Thank you #K12artchat @ArtistStrong and @GrundlerArt for the chat. Another inspiring one!

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:17 PM EDT

I know. The negative assumptions make no sense. Our culture was built by artists. #K12ArtChat

In reply to @ImTheRealReRe

joycschultz Jul 27 @ 10:18 PM EDT

#k12artchat take Ss to galleries. Introducing creative play is important

GrundlerArt - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:20 PM EDT

Here's the link #k12ArtChat on @YouTube now

Artguy76 - Moderator Jul 27 @ 10:13 PM EDT

#K12ArtChat Talk with Carrie Brummer https://t.co/eAkr7BzgNy

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 10:21 PM EDT

I don't have my own classroom any more but kids ❤ to use this in my office. Only water required! #buddhaboard #k12artchat

itsmeSpiri Jul 27 @ 10:21 PM EDT

Thanks #K12ArtChat Such a fun & talented bunch tonight 😊 Later Gator!

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:21 PM EDT

Yes! So does interest. #K12ArtChat

ImTheRealReRe Jul 27 @ 10:12 PM EDT

A5: talent doesn't stop learning. it increases it. #k12artchat

immandymatthews Jul 27 @ 10:22 PM EDT

A5: We can talk until we are blue in the face, but when you SHOW work that's proof! Get your kids' work out in the community. #k12artchat

In reply to @k12artchat

JeremyDBond Jul 27 @ 10:26 PM EDT

There are also ways to work this the other way around, I presume. #k12artchat

mdeHSD Jul 27 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A4: I try to reach my "math minded" students by showing them math in art. Sometimes opens their mind up to try at art. #K12ArtChat