#2ndaryELA Archive
#2ndaryELA is a group of middle and high school English Language Arts teachers looking to share ideas and best practices. We chat every Tuesday night at 8 pm EST using #2ndaryELA. We'd love for you to join us!
Tuesday September 26, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
2peasandadog
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Sep 26 @ 8:00 PM EDT
What and where do you teach? Include a link to your blog if you have one.
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participatechat
Sep 26 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Participate in the upcoming
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2peasandadog
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Sep 26 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Tips & Tricks for Grading
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#mschat
#7thchat
#onted
#edu
#k12
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:01 PM EDT
I'm Brynn Allison, chat co-host. 9 yrs teaching HS English & reading interventions in Philly. Blog:
https://t.co/cyx1WlwPgI
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TchrComxAdvoc8r
Sep 26 @ 8:01 PM EDT
U know u wanna know more about
#comics
in the
#classroom
:
https://t.co/aFRV3wR9aU
#ncte17
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#edchat
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Welcome everyone! Kristy, co-host, middle school teacher - blog www.
https://t.co/mGFSLRhfCF
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KeGaffigan
Sep 26 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Kassidy Gaffigan, here from metro Atlanta, GA!
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Welcome Kassidy! Happy Tuesday!
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In reply to @KeGaffigan
2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Q1: How do you teach the difference between informational and argument writing?
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Lisa from FL - 7th grade ELA. I blog at
https://t.co/T0SGs1rrCs
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:06 PM EDT
A1: I use the essay format for argument writing and then informational writing they have other output choices. i.e. info graphic
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noel_hoffmann
Sep 26 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Noel Hoffmann, high school English teacher, Huntersville, NC.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:06 PM EDT
A1: I start with a Venn Diagram
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:07 PM EDT
A1 I usually teach argument first. Ss must support their belief w/evidence from the text. Then I do informational = all objective
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MissLaVoe
Sep 26 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Hi! I'm Maddy from NJ. I teach 6th grade ELA
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A1 cont. Ss always want to give an opinion so I find it easier to teach argument 1st, then work on just presenting facts
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Welcome Noel! Happy Tuesday!
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In reply to @noel_hoffmann
SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1: We're required to teach informational 1st- then when I show argument writing, it's a few turns of the proverbial screwdriver
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Hi Maddy! Where in NJ? I live in Philly
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In reply to @MissLaVoe
2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:10 PM EDT
Q2: What are your students’ favorite assignments for either or both?
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noel_hoffmann
Sep 26 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: I teach argumentative first as well. We use graphic organizers and exemplar essays.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2: Anything involving food for informative and history's mysteries for argument.
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2: I teach History & ELA so I like to utilize cross-curricular writing for informative writing.
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2 After Reading The Lady or The Tiger, writing about the fairness of our own justice system
https://t.co/a2PTZa0CVe
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A2: Like the mystery behind the statues on Easter Island or the pupose of Stonehenge...
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KeGaffigan
Sep 26 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A1: haven’t explicitly taught the differences. Usually arguments are letters and essays, but info means research and presentation
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A2: food for informative because part of our research involves eating!
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MaddyLavoe
Sep 26 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A2: Each year I create a different PBL related to argument. Last year it was a space debate!
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Tom Farr. Pre-AP English I teacher in Huntsville, TX.
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In reply to @2peasandadog
KeGaffigan
Sep 26 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A2: BEST argument assignment I’ve done was an editorial based on a
#DoNow
prompt from
@KQED
students gave me their best writing
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Q3: What are students’ struggles with these types of writing?
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massignmenthelp
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
The Complete Guide to UK Car Driving Theory Test
https://t.co/skWVo4OBdl
#edulive
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AssignmentHelpN
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
The SAMR Model: Effective Technology Integration in Classrooms
https://t.co/N8NF3byMeG
#edulive
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#5thchat
literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A2 cont For informational I let students choose a topic to learn more about during our Holocaust unit
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Hi Tom! Happy Friday!
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In reply to @farrtom, @2peasandadog
2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A3: Students have difficulties with the format of argument writing and supporting their claims with solid evidence.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A3: in 6th and even 7th they struggle with organization at first. Then with the commentary. They like to repeat themselves.
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3 For argument, coming up with reasons to support their belief then supporting reasons with appropriate text evidence
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A1: information writing aims to give the reader information. Argument aims to convince the reader you're right.
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noel_hoffmann
Sep 26 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Justification and elaboration are stumbling blocks. They feel as their point is clear because they understand it.
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A3 cont For informational, keeping their writing entirely objective
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:19 PM EDT
A2: My students enjoy class debates for argument. They also tend to like procedural texts.
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:20 PM EDT
Q4: How do you address these struggles?
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A3: My students often struggle with supporting their points, effectively elaborating, and coming up with valid arguments.
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A4 To practice matching a belief, supporting reasons & evidence, I'll create an outline where Ss just have to fill in evidence
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A4: I provide structured examples/models for students to work with as well as co-created examples.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:22 PM EDT
A4: For commentary (elab) I have them answer these two questions: Why is this imp.? How does this support/prove the point?
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:22 PM EDT
A4 cont Then I'll do another outline where the main argument is there and the evidence, but Ss have to fill in the reasons
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A4: For organization (structure) I teach them a mnemonic system I created.
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A4 I've also created an outline of a mentor text, cut up the outline, then have students try to organize the ideas
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A4: Mentor texts, modeling, scaffolding with tools like CAFE SQuIDD.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:24 PM EDT
What's SQuIDD?
@farrtom
?
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A4: Mentor texts, modeling, scaffolding with tools like CAFE SQuIDD.
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:25 PM EDT
Q5: Share tips for getting students to avoid plagiarism and use proper citation in these types of writing.
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MaddyLavoe
Sep 26 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A4: I have found that writing conferences are the best way to address individualized student needs
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A5: I tell them the story of Kaavya Viswanathan who plagiarzed a novel and was busted back in the early 2000s -Ss love a scandal
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noel_hoffmann
Sep 26 @ 8:27 PM EDT
Writing conferences. Discuss their rough drafts & have them explain their points. This is their missing justification to add.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A5: Then I show them how not to be like her...use quotes & give the source!
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JenRoberts1
Sep 26 @ 8:27 PM EDT
Showing my Ss that issues they are passionate about now have a history they can read.
https://t.co/ofytDtf2bd
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#reading
2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A5: I try to get them using
https://t.co/UmhjnBcr3F
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farrtom
Sep 26 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A5: I use Google Docs, which has version history.
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MissMiskie
Sep 26 @ 8:29 PM EDT
I’m late to party! I like easybib or citation machine, but I tiptoe with that one because I want them to understand the process
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:30 PM EDT
Thanks for chatting with us tonight. Here’s a sneak peek at next week’s chat
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2peasandadog
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:31 PM EDT
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:31 PM EDT
Yes! And Draftback makes it even quicker and more visual
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In reply to @farrtom
literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:31 PM EDT
Welcome Paige! Happy Tuesday!
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In reply to @MissMiskie
MissMiskie
Sep 26 @ 8:32 PM EDT
Quick intro (late) - I’m a first year 7-9 ela teacher and new to Twitter chats! I’m trying to find new resources and guidance!
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noel_hoffmann
Sep 26 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A5: We use
https://t.co/QWyl9X3F1i
. it checks for plagiarism. Kids can also check to make sure they paraphrased correctly.
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Thanks everyone! And I especially thank our hostesses
@2peasandadog
and
@literarymaven
who keep this going week after week!
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MissMiskie
Sep 26 @ 8:33 PM EDT
I plan on joining every week now! And hopefully I won’t be late again. I’m central time and forgot!
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literarymaven
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Feel free to read back through the chat and share your responses to Q1- 4
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In reply to @MissMiskie
noel_hoffmann
Sep 26 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Lots of great ideas tonight! Thanks for hosting!
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SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:36 PM EDT
Intro: Hook, Answer {to the promopt}, Thesis = HAT {Hook = Title, Author, Genre, Short summary (of the texts) = TAGS}
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In reply to @farrtom
SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Body: Answer prompt w/1 reason from thesis Cite evidence Explain w/ commentary Ingeminate (repeat cite &ex w/ new ev.) Top it off
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In reply to @farrtom
SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Body = ACEIT
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In reply to @farrtom
SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:41 PM EDT
Conclusion: A: answer re-stated T: thesis restated T: the call to action Last thing you grab b4 you leave? Cell - AT & T
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In reply to @farrtom
SpanglerMiddle
Sep 26 @ 8:43 PM EDT
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