#PatinsIcam Archive

A weekly half hour chat focused on improving access to education for PK-12 students through the use of Accessible Educational Materials (AEM), Universal Design for Learning (UDL), and Assistive Technology (AT).

Tuesday October 2, 2018
8:30 PM EDT

  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight's chat! We are so glad you are here! IN educator? PGP cert link will be tweeted at the end! #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Tonight is all about Augmentative and Alternative Communication (AAC). Let's get ready to chat about why AAC is important for students in school! #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Who's in the house tonight? Please introduce yourself. Don't forget to include #PatinsIcam in your tweet!
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I'm Jena Fahlbush, PATINS Specialist and I'll be happy host tonight! #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Hi, Julie Kuhn here. AAC Device access, OI access and AT Team building #PatinsIcam
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Hi Everyone! I'm Sandi Smith, Accessible Content Authoring, Chrome Accessibility & Integration, SLD & Transition: Secondary Age Specialist sitting around in Cbus waiting to chat! #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Hi Everyone! Rachel Herron here! Enjoying the latest heat wave in Franklin Indiana! Looking forward to this fantastic #PatinsIcam Chat!
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Katie's Here! (Deaf/Hard of Hearing PATINS Specialist) AND I'm ready to Taco 'Bout AAC! #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Glad you're joining us Miss Julie! #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Good to be here! #PatinsIcam
  • pvh16 Oct 2 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    George Van Horn from BCSC #PatinsIcam
  • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Nicole Wingate, SLP @ MSD Bluffton-Harrison #patinsicam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    We will post questions as Q1, Q2, etc. Please tweet your response with A1, A2, etc. Don't forget to add the hashtag to each tweet! #PatinsIcam
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    HI Everyone! Darla Ashton, jack of all trades and master of none. AAC lover. #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Hi, Jessica Conrad, SLP and PATINS specialist in AAC, Comm Disorders, Early Interventions, AEM #PatinsIcam
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    WOO HOO! Thrilled to have you here Nicole! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @NWingate5
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    And we're off! #PatinsIcam #AugComm #SLPeeps
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Q1: Can AAC devices have all the vocabulary found in general ed? Would that be too many pages? #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Hi George! Welcome to the chat! So glad you are here! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @pvh16
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    OOOORRRRR Master of EVERYTHING! #guru #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @darlaashton
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A1: YES, our students need access to allthevocab, allthetime #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A1: They certainly can, and "too many words" depends more on the needs of the students and how that user communicates best. Lots of AAC users just need one page (the alphabet) and communicate enough to get their PhD #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Broadcasting live from Connecticut! #smoothie #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @jconradslp
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A1: Absolutely! Sometimes Ss don't want to use their devices because they are missing the words they want/need #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A1:Yes. We can never preset everything a student may want to say, so they need a mix of Core, Fringe, and spontaneous. #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I could not agree more! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @katietaylorIN
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A1: As with everything this is student dependent. What is the activity they are using the device for. #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Q2: What level of proficiency should Ss achieve before using an AAC device in an inclusive environment? #PatinsIcam
  • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A1: I believe there is room to add vocabulary for AAC users.However, I'm a descriptive teaching fan! #patinsicam
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A1: I think you can use CORE to describe and say almost anything...#patinsicam #challenge?
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A1: No one takes away my words (although I bet they wish they could sometimes!) #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Incidentally visited some users of AAC yesterday in CT, and now I'm stuck at their airport for the next 14 hours #PatinsIcam #ugh #MissingIndiana
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    that is a GREAT strategy for some AAC users, explain more! #PatinsIcam
    • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:37 PM EDT
      A1: I believe there is room to add vocabulary for AAC users.However, I'm a descriptive teaching fan! #patinsicam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Changing lives, one state at a a time! Once they meet you, they want to keep you! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @jconradslp
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A2: Is this a trick question? A "learning environment" means for everyone doing many things! Learning is not for static environments only. #PatinsIcam
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A1: I like a fringe board around for specific lesson vocab and device for CORE #patinsicam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Is there a correlation? #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @jconradslp
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    PLEASE tell me more!!! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @NWingate5
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Q3: Is there a grade level progression of inclusion for Ss with AAC? #PatinsIcam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Jen Conti here! PATINS Data & Outreach and SLP. A little late b/c I was making pizza! #PatinsIcam
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A2: I'd prefer practicing across ALLtheSettings once a skill is introduced #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    preach! What is great learning but applying across the entire human experience? #PatinsIcam
    • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:39 PM EDT
      A2: Is this a trick question? A "learning environment" means for everyone doing many things! Learning is not for static environments only. #PatinsIcam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Core is a key starting point! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @darlaashton
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A3: Yes. First, verify they are breathing. Breathing can be assisted. Then, include. #PatinsIcam
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A3: Just like their peers are learning vocabulary and it's use in different or more difficult settings so should AAC users. #Justlikeanyoneelse #PatinsIcam
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A3: at any age, we can figure out inclusion. had a HS student tell me today she missed AAC users being in gen ed w/ her. #patinsicam #inclusion benefits ALL
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A3: No. For AAC, the Ss need to be where the language is. General ed. #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    I was just typing my answer and you were so brilliant I needed to retweet! #PatinsIcam
    • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:42 PM EDT
      A3: Yes. First, verify they are breathing. Breathing can be assisted. Then, include. #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Q4: Should Ts have special questions and topics for Ss who use AAC? #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Core vocabulary (those high frequency words that make up 80-85% of what we say every day) can be used to describe LOTS of fringe words that don't come up much (hypotenuse... biome...) Fringe is powerful too, don't overlook or skip teaching it! #PatinsIcam
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4: I'm thinking we could UDL the classroom and everyone can pick their preference of questions or topics. #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    LOVE THIS! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @darlaashton
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A4: If I am an example, The Ts should be asking AAC questions so that they understand how to include in a seamless manner. Asking someone to talk is not a "special" event. #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    Yes! #PatinsIcam that's a great explanation
    • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:43 PM EDT
      Instead of asking for a specific response such as Saturn, asking the student to tell about Saturn or describe.
      In reply to @jconradslp
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Perfect tie in with UDL...a universally designed classroom allows flexibility for EVERY student! #PatinsIcam
    • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:44 PM EDT
      A4: I'm thinking we could UDL the classroom and everyone can pick their preference of questions or topics. #PatinsIcam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4: Not necessarily. Of course taking personal preferences and strengths into consideration. Like we would for every student #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4: No, normal curriculum and conversation will facilitate communication #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Q5: What does an environment look like that is inclusive to AAC users? #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    example: tweeting could be "talk" "little" "with" "many" "people" #PatinsIcam
    • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:44 PM EDT
      Core vocabulary (those high frequency words that make up 80-85% of what we say every day) can be used to describe LOTS of fringe words that don't come up much (hypotenuse... biome...) Fringe is powerful too, don't overlook or skip teaching it! #PatinsIcam
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A5: An environment that allows each Ss to use their communication mode in an equitable way. #PatinsIcam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A5: wait time wait time wait time...oh did I mention wait time? #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Love the CTG example! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @NWingate5, @jconradslp
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    I used this exact Saturn example in a peer communication facilitation training today. Wow. #patinsicam #Saturn
    In reply to @NWingate5, @jconradslp
  • Teach4SpclNeeds Oct 2 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Cannot wait for #STEMtober #Bunceechat! Please join us! #edchatri #PatinsIcam #coteachat #SpedChat
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    accepting @darlaashton challenge to core-ify, I want to hear some social media and education descriptive talking! #PatinsIcam
    • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:46 PM EDT
      example: tweeting could be "talk" "little" "with" "many" "people" #PatinsIcam
      • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:44 PM EDT
        Core vocabulary (those high frequency words that make up 80-85% of what we say every day) can be used to describe LOTS of fringe words that don't come up much (hypotenuse... biome...) Fringe is powerful too, don't overlook or skip teaching it! #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    #greatminds #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @darlaashton, @NWingate5, @jconradslp
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    ok Nicole, the cat is out of the bag, you have to define Descriptive Teaching. #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Q6: How can Ts help if Ss can't find words on their boards? #PatinsIcam
  • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A6: Model, model, model! #patinsicam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    And so amazing! I can't tell you how many people think I'm a magician just bc I give wait time. #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @katietaylorIN
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A6: modeling or have the student "jump" on the teacher's hand to show them, then let the student have a turn. #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    I love being in classes where the teachers model as they go...it helps EVERYONE! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @NWingate5
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A6: Ask questions that beg for alternative descriptions and wait or help, just like any other student. #PatinsIcam
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5: The environment must facilitate natural language. Not "Push the button" or asking only yes/no questions. #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Q7: What kind of training is needed for staff and Ss? #PatinsIcam
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Seeing this a lot in some of our Early Childhood classrooms. Pretty amazing how it is benefiting everyone. Ts say behavior is down for all. #patinsicam
    In reply to @RachelH872, @NWingate5
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A6: Ts often forget as much (or more) how to do things on a student's system (let's be clear, not all AAC is a 'board') so get comfortable talking your problem solving out loud. Our students need to hear how we think to problem solve too! #PatinsIcam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Cute idea! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @katietaylorIN
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    great requote from #inaacsummitt from Carol Musselwhite: "Beware the flyswatter." Stop giving kid's flyswatter/hit the switch activities and call it communication #PatinsIcam
    • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:52 PM EDT
      A5: The environment must facilitate natural language. Not "Push the button" or asking only yes/no questions. #PatinsIcam
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A7: ...PATINS Training?...#PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Which totally makes sense! EVERYONE needs to be able to communicate when the going gets tough...even a "verbal" student or a kiddo who is in crisis might use the boards when spoken words are too much. Love the behavior connection! #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @darlaashton, @NWingate5
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A7: I just listened to an episode on TalkingWithTechAAC podcast about this. #patinsicam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A7: Training that can be provided at no cost by Jessica & Julie with PATINS, that's what #PatinsIcam
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    you took the words out of my mouth! I mean hands! LOL! #patinsicam
    In reply to @PATINSSandi
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Absolutely!!! I'm very slow at using even a 50 core board myself. I did a lot of talking through things and pointing out my mistakes. This also allows students time to process the vocab. #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @jconradslp
  • JulieHKuhn Oct 2 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A7: The million dollar question. We need to provide training to all staff in a structured manner. And lots of it.#PatinsIcam
  • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A7: Ongoing training is a must. It keeps everyone in check and continuing to learn so that students can succeed! #patinsicam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    more core'd education descriptive teaching: an IEP could be "long" "words" "help" "all" "people" "talk" "move" "do" "all" things" "here" #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    A7: Training that includes focus on constant access to the device! It should rarely, if ever, be out of the student's reach #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Q8: Finish the Sentence: Success in a fully inclusive environment looks like: #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    A7: If we want our AAC users to be in the Gen Ed, we must make sure that ALL teachers are aware of AAC...how to use it and how to highlight it in EVERY class...universally...across the school. This is not just a special education "thing"! #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    HAHAHAHAHA #PatinsIcam
    In reply to @katietaylorIN, @PATINSSandi
  • PATINSSandi Oct 2 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    A8: something different in every room. #PatinsIcam
  • RachelH872 Oct 2 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Spoken by one! #PatinsIcam
  • jconradslp Oct 2 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    I love that, so simple and respectful #PatinsIcam
    • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:54 PM EDT
      Showing your student how to find a word on their device such as word finder and letting them know...."I don't know where XXX is, let's look here".
      In reply to @jconradslp
  • darlaashton Oct 2 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A8: each student having access and instruction to meet their individual educational needs #patinsicam
  • katietaylorIN Oct 2 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A8: ALL Ss working towards grade level standards and feeling daily success with their work. #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A8: Students who are engaged and participating in a variety of ways #PatinsIcam
  • jconti281 Oct 2 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A7: on going and personalized for Ts, paras, parents, peer buddies, classmates. At the beginning of the year, I start with a 5 minute mtg by telling them "Just model all day everyday". This takes any stress or view that they have to do something "extra" #PatinsIcam
  • jlfahlbush Oct 2 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    I skipped Question 7 - Sorry!! #PatinsIcam
  • NWingate5 Oct 2 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A8: Success in a fully inclusive classroom looks like: you can't even tell the difference between students because their is so much peer involvement and interaction! #patinsicam