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natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:01 PM EDT

#ASEchat to start with Ive knocked up a very quick blog https://t.co/6pFREQhoqM

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:03 PM EDT

@natkin I would like to see the siphon tubes in action! #ASEChat Looks very messy

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:03 PM EDT

#asechat so what do people think of the death of energy types and transformations?

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:04 PM EDT

#asechat of interest to us... https://t.co/3GX3g3xntO

MichaelT1979 Jun 19 @ 4:02 PM EDT

Year 6 teachers: how have you reached a decision on which children are meeting the Expected Standard in Science?

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@natkin It all needs a change of thinking, of text books and exam questions. Is it worth changing? #ASEChat

massignmenthelp Jun 20 @ 3:05 PM EDT

Few Strategies to Help Slow-learning Students https://t.co/XALIFFaOw1 #asechat #edchat #edtech https://t.co/jP0Kh1jfen

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:05 PM EDT

I'm not sure I have the energy store #asechat https://t.co/tdJ0CGLp9J

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 2:59 PM EDT

#ASEchat starts in 2 minutes - Energy

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:05 PM EDT

@natkin I like the idea of it being a store but sometimes student don't get it the first time round #asechat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@natkin the change is quite subtle so not easy to keep at the front of your mind. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall If the question has to be asked it makes me wary of the outcomes #ASEChat

SecretPhysicist Jun 20 @ 3:07 PM EDT

Keep being unable to attend #asechat which is really annoying.

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta @natkin I think the stores versus transfers idea make it easier for me to comprehend #ASEchat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta #asechat welcome - we have a lot of legacy students - have been taught transformations

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@natkin or at least the change in terminology is subtle. I think it will be good, in 5yrs when we're used to it. #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #ASEChat the old way didnt make any sense - when we have a better model we should use it tho I didnt like it at first

AssignmentHelpN Jun 20 @ 3:10 PM EDT

A Guide to Competency-Based Education Model https://t.co/EzJ05wjifc #edchat #CBE #infographic #asechat #edtech #ISTE https://t.co/8wXrTe98l7

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:10 PM EDT

@natkin True I was too. I have used different coloured water 2 talk of one store depleting n the other filling #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@hrogersonwe struggle with any concepts that challenge our thinking https://t.co/g8UYbJ21rj #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@hrogerson @natkin But what seems to work fine in a physics context starts to unravel in my mind when thinking about biology #ASEChat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta #ASEchat - One of the teachers I support did a brilliant model using a fishtank - the image is https://t.co/7BkhWowVmq

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@natkin So if justification is to make calculations more straightforward, need to see examples of calculations where this applies #ASEchat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @natkin transformations only work when thinking about appliances and toys in *that* QCA lesson or roller coasters #asechat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM EDT

#asechat sorry I'm late, was seeking supplies to replenish our cupboard chemical stores.

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta @natkin Does this coloured liquid analogy risk developing conceptions of energy as 'stuff'? #ASEchat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson how so Richard? #asechat giving richard opportunity to open pandoras box

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson @natkin I did have that when trying to talk of chemical energy in food. Calories were a big barrier #asechat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Mr_Misquitta @natkin I have to say I don't use it. #asechat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:15 PM EDT

my shortest #asechat ever - toddler awake and crying. I may return...

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:15 PM EDT

#asechat - Welcome Bill It helps with all aspects when you get ypur head around it https://t.co/M8oxXV2auI

DrWilkinsonSci Jun 20 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@natkin it helps with circuits!

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @natkin Possibly, I used it to discuss one store depleting and the other filling. #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta @ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat I would always try to use Joules - an apple raised a metre + 1J

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@natkin @hrogerson OK Pandora - hear (!) goes- when teaching hearing does sound energy get transformed into kinetic energy? #ASEChat

mrs_tweddle Jun 20 @ 3:16 PM EDT

#asechat I'm really struggling with the concept of a light bulb and haven't seen a suitable explanation for ks3.

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson noooooooo!! #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:18 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta @hrogerson @natkin I have a number of conceptual difficulties around light reaction and ATP #ASEchat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:19 PM EDT

Ha! How to rile the IoP. Do you prefer light energy to sound energy then??? #ASEChat https://t.co/h4WYl1s5JY

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson noooooooo!! #asechat

DrWilkinsonSci Jun 20 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@natkin I'm not sure. Doesn't help with efficiency of light bulbs! It's all gone to same store! #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat It is important to define your starting and end points

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:20 PM EDT

@natkin @ViciaScience @hrogerson I tried to discuss kJ. I can definitely use some ideas to develop my practice #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:20 PM EDT

@natkin @hrogerson So kinetic energy store of piano string transfers energy to kinetic energy of stapes using 'sound' as a pathway? #ASEChat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat Sound is a pathway - it cannot be stored .

Jack_Chili Jun 20 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @natkin @hrogerson I was looking through the new Physics for You to help with changes and that was relatively easy. #asechat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@DrWilkinsonSci @natkin but via different pathways. #asechat

anhalf Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM EDT

.If you teach 9-13 yr olds STEM subjects, apply for next year. It's incredible #primaryrocks #asechat #HESA2016 https://t.co/v79UTwGqKv

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM EDT

@mrs_tweddle light in a pathway - the energy ultimately ends up absorbed by the surfaces in the soundings as as ta thermal store. #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM EDT

@DrWilkinsonSci but proportionally through different pathways #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM EDT

@mrs_tweddle @natkin @hrogerson But are nerve impulses considered 'electrical energy' ? Or kinetic energy of ions? ˙Help! #ASEchat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@mrs_tweddle I don't like it, what about E=hf at A-level? and P=IV, we can still calculate energy in pathways. #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@natkin @hrogerson So what is the 'receiving' store when considering human hearing? #ASEChat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @ViciaScience @natkin I have got to get myself a copy! @OxfordEdScience ! #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:25 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin I think ATP can be described as pathways and stores, but it adds a level of complexity to a difficult topic #ASEchat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@mrs_tweddle no, don't get me started on that. Not written with the IoP's model or what's happening at ks3 in mind. #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat it depends on where you define your end point the eardrum is a vibrational store

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:27 PM EDT

Exactly. And why call heat 'heat energy' when heat will do. Where is an energy concept useful? #ASEChat https://t.co/pRi722XFs6

Jack_Chili Jun 20 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @mrs_tweddle @natkin @hrogerson Why is energy important in the description here? Why use it at all?

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Jack_Chili @natkin I am thinking reading these tweets..Should it be so difficult? #asechat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:27 PM EDT

Good evening all #PrimaryRocks #ASEChat (Sorry 8pm family issues..)

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@natkin @hrogerson Agreed, but a biologist would remain unsatisfied until we reached 'a sensation in the brain' #ASEChat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@oboelizzy I am not sure the chemists are using energy stores? #asechat

hrogerson Jun 20 @ 3:28 PM EDT

I can't really square it all with KE = 3/2kT, is a thermal store really a kinetic store? #asechat

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@hrogerson @mrs_tweddle I am teaching Y9 soon low ability and they will struggle with the idea. #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta @ViciaScience @Jack_Chili fundamentally it s a better model - we need to teach it #asechat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@oboelizzy Trying to work out exothermic and endothermic reactions using energy stores #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@natkin @Jack_Chili nerve impulses are a chemical pathway to where? Raising heat of body as final store feels unsatisfactory #ASEchat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@oboelizzy Certainly lack of consistency would be confusing for students #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @Mr_Misquitta @natkin But in Y9 we need to explain that light is used to build a chemical energy store in plants #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:32 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin Agreed in context of sound and vision. Not agreed in context of diet and ecological relationships #ASEChat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @Mr_Misquitta @ViciaScience agreed - It is fundamentally about measurements - accounting - is it helpful for nerves etc?#asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@hecharden Hi Helen. Hope all is well with you - more multitasking tonight than usual. #ASEchat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@natkin @Mr_Misquitta @Jack_Chili I am not sure that this proposed model is more difficult to understand. Energy always 'hard' #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin @Mr_Misquitta So we come to the concepts of 'energy flow' and pyramids of energy. Do they fit the new model? #ASEChat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Jack_Chili @Mr_Misquitta @natkin Application to Biol and Chem interesting issue (been discussing wit @oboelizzy #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@ViciaScience heat is a pathway no? #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin @Mr_Misquitta At what age do they struggle - post 16 respiration? Y9 electrolysis? #ASEChat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall Heat or heating? #ASEChat

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:40 PM EDT

@mrs_tweddle @hrogerson I am sure they will understand but need creative ways to deliver it #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:41 PM EDT

both I think - anything that is radiating, sound, heat etc, light, is a pathway? perhaps not #asechat https://t.co/JxryOjABIw

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@A_Weatherall Heat or heating? #ASEChat

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Jack_Chili @natkin I am inclined to say post 16 #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@natkin @Jack_Chili @Mr_Misquitta Long term problem in pyramid of energy is that heat energy in ecosystems often ignored #ASEChat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:42 PM EDT

#asechat back, looks like i've missed all the tricky bits! will sum up my insights FWIW

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin @Mr_Misquitta This could be an obstacle to many children's learning (?) #ASEChat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:43 PM EDT

#asechat stores are places, pathways are proccesses. Analogy of carbon cycle can be helpful for some.

CazGerrard Jun 20 @ 3:44 PM EDT

Good evening #asechat people - better late than never?

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:45 PM EDT

#asechat usual problem of grouping; do we pair electric and magnetic field stores? do we keep vibration and kinetic separate?

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:45 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin @Mr_Misquitta Yes. Chldn have firm grasp of biomass compared to energy lost to envt by respiration.Too abstract #ASEChat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:45 PM EDT

#asechat for processes, what matters is the physics description rather than choosing a specific label to slap on it.

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@natkin @Jack_Chili @Mr_Misquitta Exactly - like global problems of food supply and the benefits of vegetarianism! #ASEChat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:46 PM EDT

#asechat force kids back to before/after snapshots to define which stores are important "at this moment"

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@mrs_tweddle @hrogerson I have seen similar work on stores showing one store emptying and other filling and the childrn coloured #asechat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:47 PM EDT

#asechat biggest issue I've seen is with internal energy vs thermal energy store - newest textbooks unclear.

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:48 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @natkin @Mr_Misquitta Old enough to remember germinating peas in vacuum flask. Good old days! Never understood. #ASEChat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:49 PM EDT

#asechat Good advice! https://t.co/gI90Xo3Rlc

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:48 PM EDT

@hecharden I'd go so far as draw out long chain, then use a wooden frame to go around one specific change. @theASE

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I don't think I distinguish between the two - the concept of heat is the transfer of energy #asechat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@Mr_Misquitta if you 'pour' quickly or slowly between stores, gets idea of power. Splashed fluid = dissipated to environment. #asechat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:49 PM EDT

#PrimaryRocks taking a quick break from hosting #asechat you might find this useful https://t.co/TKeg30TN7n

CazGerrard Jun 20 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Me too ... finding it difficult to make sense of it let alone teach it!! #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA @ViciaScience a vibration or wave is a pathway no? #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@teachingofsci What would help biologists is a suggestion of where using energy ideas is useful, and where they should be abandoned #ASEChat

MsSuperScience Jun 20 @ 3:51 PM EDT

Reccommend getting IOP @PhysicsNews involved. We signed up this year and received some great free CPD including session on energy #asechat

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@teachingofsci Yes and I used this to discuss where some of the energy was lost. #asechat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:51 PM EDT

Yet another brilliant idea! #asechat https://t.co/VYvmVBeLlz

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@hecharden a hula hoop works well - you can literally 'zoom in' on one part of the board!

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@teachingofsci Like this idea of labelling the tray universe. definitely will do that when I teach Y9 #asechat

teachingofsci Jun 20 @ 3:53 PM EDT

#asechat have people checked out the pieces written by @charlesmtracy? did I miss that already?

CazGerrard Jun 20 @ 3:54 PM EDT

@hecharden @ViciaScience @thease I attended SPN summer school and I still get confused by stores and pathways #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:54 PM EDT

@teachingofsci So far picked up -sound and vision -energy ideas unhelpful. Diet, food chains, productivity -energy could be useful #ASEChat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:54 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA @ViciaScience Microwave oven for example, the wave is the pathway, the water molecules gaining energy the store? #asechat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:55 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @teachingofsci Understanding energy stores in terms of biology v hard. @charlesmtracy stared easier examples #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:55 PM EDT

@HGourlayUEA @ViciaScience I'm still getting to grips with it 4 years or so down the line #asechat

CazGerrard Jun 20 @ 3:55 PM EDT

@oboelizzy Oops!! Missed that one!! Yes, will head up after visit to DSLV - how long will the commute take me? #asechat

hecharden Jun 20 @ 3:56 PM EDT

To share with everyone #ASEchat https://t.co/Tki3uLgtQT

Jack_Chili Jun 20 @ 3:55 PM EDT

@hecharden @CazGerrard @ViciaScience @theASE I'm doing one at the summer school in York.

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@Jack_Chili @hecharden @CazGerrard @theASE Yes - they are brilliant on the physics of energy - but not yet biology / chem? #ASEChat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@teachingofsci #asechat - ive seen some terrible textbooks!

A_Weatherall - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @Jack_Chili @hecharden @CazGerrard @theASE maybe we could tackle this at #YorkTU @MaryUYSEG #asechat

ViciaScience Jun 20 @ 3:58 PM EDT

@teachingofsci How does that work, for example, in Photosystem I? #ASEChat

natkin - Moderator Jun 20 @ 3:59 PM EDT

@hecharden @teachingofsci #asechat not always easy to find an appropriate physicist !

Mr_Misquitta Jun 20 @ 3:59 PM EDT

@teachingofsci could be embedded when teaching solar system to KS3 as well to discuss energy rather than a standalone topic #asechat