#sstlap Archive
Weekly chat 8CST that infuses the ideas of Teach Like a Pirate by Dave Burgess into the Social Studies classroom.
Thursday September 1, 2016
9:00 PM EDT
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
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tonight we are discussing Patriotism, National Anthem, Racism and Freedom of Speech
https://t.co/nVDsOqquqI
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:02 PM EDT
Hey Gang! Matt from Atlanta, Ga! 8th gr US History teacher. How's everyone's year so far?
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Thanks for joining- please intro yourself Name location grade subject and best moment of the new school year- some it is first day
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Hey
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Courtney here. 8th Grade US History in Texas.
@MrBarry628
my year is going great! How bout you!?
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:03 PM EDT
I'm back! Yay for
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! Nikki from Calgary, AB. Teaching Social 11 and 12 this year. Looking forward to a great chat tonight.
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Ben Brazeau Tech Integrator former SS big fan of
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and host for
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Green Bay WI
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:04 PM EDT
Hi
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, this is Bill Chapman, a retired secondary social studies teacher, checking in from Berkeley, CA.
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
@MrBarry628
great to have you here tonight!!!
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:04 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
hopefully my topic doesn't disappoint
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Tonight is a topic ripped from the headlines but also one that introduced me to some historical info I never knew
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National Anthem
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@Braz74
Just got in from our 8th grade retreat. All is good and glad to be in tonight
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@classroomtools
Bill is back for another school year-- you say retired but I have my doubts!!
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
nice- you always have cool things happening!!
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N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:05 PM EDT
@Braz74
Not at all! I'm planning to open my class with this very topic on Wednesday! Our whole theme is nationailsm.
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:06 PM EDT
First Question at 8:10 if you didn't get a chance to look at them and the premise for tonights chat
https://t.co/nVDsOqI5Pi
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:06 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
nice- it is a tough topic- hard for me to not want to preach-- but that isn't allowing learning for ss
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EvaaaaanD
Sep 1 @ 9:06 PM EDT
hey everybody. Evan from PA teach 9th and 10th grade Global History
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:06 PM EDT
Moose. Sauk Prairie WI. Teach American gov. AP Euro, WH. Best part so far is last year's Ss stopping in but not in my class this yr
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JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:07 PM EDT
Parent here peeking into
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because what a topic! Jeremy from CT, education editor, ParentCamp board member.
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:07 PM EDT
@EvaaaaanD
Evan great to have you here tonight welcome to the group
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:07 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
Ryan- glad you could make it- I know you said you were busy.. so glad you have some time for us
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@JeremyDBond
Jeremy, great to have you join- it is a topic I felt needed to be discussed and hopefully beyond our group
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Hi - Tim from PA - teaching high school social studies with comics
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https://t.co/MUuKDGx8TK
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:09 PM EDT
@historycomics
Tim- great to have you- I am sure you and
@jedikermit
would get along well-
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MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:09 PM EDT
8th Grade, Indiana - Wow. Thought-provoking questions in the lineup tonight.
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Q1
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https://t.co/nVDsOqI5Pi
https://t.co/XoX2pmkjSi
jmadlin001
Sep 1 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Julie from NNY. I teach grades 7 & 8 US History.
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:11 PM EDT
I used Cole to open conversation on first day
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then showed this
https://t.co/TzHnIb7mwt
video we are America by Jon Cena
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A1: As a US History T, the anthem is a symbol of pride, love, and passion for my nation & what "we" stand for as a unified people
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kiddielitprof
Sep 1 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Wendy, prof in MN. Trying to follow along as we drive down the hwy. Connection is sketchy. 😳
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https://t.co/79nhFZD49r
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A1a: I personally think we overplay/overuse it which dilutes the true meaning of why we have an anthem
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:12 PM EDT
@MrBrownNWMS
It is the beginning of the year - need to get Ts thinking so we can get ss to be world changers
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DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A1) it means something different to all those people/groups. For me, it's about freedom and the vision of setting your own path.
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A1: It's a symbol of a love of our country, a form of nationalism, and unification.
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https://t.co/rz514U3vJ1
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Q1
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https://t.co/nVDsOqI5Pi
https://t.co/XoX2pmkjSi
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1b: I've talk to ppl who believe its a brainwashing tool. Some say another way to conform. I don't agree but respect their opinion
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N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1: Anthems in general are used to unite people in a common vision; form a brotherhood so to speak
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1b: In reality, how many people KNOW where the anthem comes from? Is there a reason we chose this for our anthem?
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tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1 The National Anthem is a symbol of pride for who I am and my country Oh and hi, Tammy Brown 6th gr US history teacher Alabama
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MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1. To an outsider, or one who initially hears it, it is a song of victory in war and pride in the banner of the victor.
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classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
I agree. Personally, I'd prefer America the Beautiful or This Land is Your Land. Both less bellicose.
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
Chuck from Milrockee - great to back at it for another year in the classroom - better than the alternative!
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DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1) for others today there may bring a feeling of being held back and lacking control, having a vision of setting their own course.
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1 Sacrifice, survival, perseverance -I get frustrated when ppl dont take off caps, or Ts don't stop walking during pledge - respect
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
The pledge of allegiance was originally done with the Bellamy salute, what is now the "Hitler raised hand" so we changed it
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HISTORY!
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1: However, to minority groups it can help to alienate; how many anthems seem to promise ideas but not deliver to all?
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
I then showed these "unpatriotic" Americans to discuss
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https://t.co/LLK7L1c0x8
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@MrBrownNWMS
or a song that is annoying. I had someone from China tell me they couldn't stand it.
#OlympicsonRepeat
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tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
I have heard this too & while I don't agree I do see why they say it. One was from the former Soviet Union.
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https://t.co/mRSyOIfXz4
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1b: I've talk to ppl who believe its a brainwashing tool. Some say another way to conform. I don't agree but respect their opinion
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JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
Er,
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https://t.co/D4ejMOhG8h
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1) The third question is the most relevant. It reads differently for all of us, so its "meaning" is unclear.
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https://t.co/2rqqZ5OnK2
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@MrBrownNWMS
Kind of like French national anthem
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MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A1. What does it mean to me? It means we like war...and winning...and freedom.
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
beat me to the keys - it is important to know the origins of national symbols ...
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https://t.co/oCSXaudlS8
MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A1. To an outsider, or one who initially hears it, it is a song of victory in war and pride in the banner of the victor.
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A1: Meaning can depend on background, bias, etc. To me, sign of freedom, perseverence, pride. To Others, can mean something else
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
We're looking at some historical moments like Tommie Smith who changed the anthem's meaning in 1964 too,
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
beat me to the keys - it is important to know the origins of national symbols ...
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https://t.co/8D7SY10x1c
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1b: In reality, how many people KNOW where the anthem comes from? Is there a reason we chose this for our anthem?
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Qs that need answ
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
Arghh! Just got home from picking kid 1 up from cross country away meet and have to put kid 2 to bed. Hoping to get on for part of
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@tammy_brown_edu
a good friend who came from Germany said the same thing. Different experiences shaped her mindset.
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A1: I love asking my foreign exchange students what they think of the National Anthem, Pledge, etc. Anyone else do this?
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Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A1 understanding that others se it differently allows for conversation- can't assume all see it as presigious as others might
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@Chucktaft
I bet more than 50% believe the anthem comes from the Rev. War and not the War of 1812, and was that REALLY that big?
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@Braz74
@burgessdave
Ooh Looks like
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is going to be a good one. GOod thing I finished last of my hw.
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
... but we also need to realize we put value in words, images, actions, symbols, places, flags, songs
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classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@historycomics
I think much of what is labeled patriotic is really jingoism. Those willing to sacrifice for ideals are patriots 2 me
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Q2
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https://t.co/U2gRg3L7f6
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
I like the idea of we as unified - because we do see issues with division in our society-
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https://t.co/0VWyVGbM4G
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A1: As a US History T, the anthem is a symbol of pride, love, and passion for my nation & what "we" stand for as a unified people
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MidlandSuptBW
Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Our National Anthem represents pride in being American. Other countries have similar effects.
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@classroomtools
that was the discussion opener - define patriotism and a patriotic American. Great discussion
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
and more than 95% don't know it was poem and then set to a British drinking song
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@Chucktaft
but we also need to realize not everyone does...
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
@burgessdave
glad to have you join -- the more ideas the better
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A2: It's left out bc it's "complicated" language that most people can't relate to. That's the only reason why
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
Be safe
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https://t.co/nurhisWnHK
kiddielitprof
Sep 1 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Wendy, prof in MN. Trying to follow along as we drive down the hwy. Connection is sketchy. 😳
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https://t.co/79nhFZD49r
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:18 PM EDT
My opinion aligns with Cap here - showed students today
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https://t.co/mRQVUPASsn
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:19 PM EDT
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A1 As someone who immigrated here in '01, my belief in the National Anthem has changed over time
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:19 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
@Chucktaft
Yup, Always have to drink when we hear the anthem guys :) LOL
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:19 PM EDT
It is interesting how others see it--
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https://t.co/fUcZvJpfRO
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1b: I've talk to ppl who believe its a brainwashing tool. Some say another way to conform. I don't agree but respect their opinion
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:19 PM EDT
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Btw, Thomas Mision PReServiceElemEdu T here in Minnesota
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2 This verse is an example of "know your history" this puts the song in context of when it was written. It's uncomfortable today.
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A2a: This would make the anthem more relevant. "People have died for your rights..." arg. becomes relevant.
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https://t.co/cIAEXAPmrP
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Q2
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https://t.co/U2gRg3L7f6
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
agree- it deals with the ideal of society-- rarely live up to those ideas
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A2: Our anthem is kept simple so we can all relate/follow it. Language like war, slave, blood are not "patriotic" in an anthem
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jmadlin001
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A1 Shows love & pride in our country. It means that to me. I'm sure it doesn't mean that at all. Esp Native Amer & African Amer
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ConnellySue
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
Just joining for a bit - finished half of my course work for evening. From NH - 7th grade T, Sue. Glad to be here. Great topic.
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
@Chucktaft
great to have you here buddy
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classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A2 The Brits offered freedom to slaves who'd join them & fight against US. Key attacked them in this verse.
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
What four words do you feel should be included in our national anthem?
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.... :)
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
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this last image from today - really opened up discussion. Is this patriotic?
https://t.co/Nlp1L5Bp9U
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A2
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I'd say no - not celebratory, especially today
DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A2) I think the anthem needs to be concise and specific. Lots in that verse
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
Could you imagine someone trying to sing this? They already butcher the current version.
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
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A1 First, the Nat'l Anthem was the affirmation of my family living the American Dream here in the US,but now...
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@Braz74
you the man Ben
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
@tammy_brown_edu
Exactly, not everyone looks at the context of the song. Good idea to study context in APUSH.
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:21 PM EDT
A2 if you watch the video is it powerful - deals with issue of slaves fighting for freedom even against own country
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
It KILLS KILLS KILLS me when people sing the anthem and they change any note to it or add/modify it.
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disrespectful to it
MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A2. That verse is an ode to the ones who sacrificed to help "expel" the British. It has little to offer today.
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JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A2) I only just became aware of this verse during the latest "controversy." It's disturbing and divisive.
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https://t.co/pEIqDOHyv5
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:17 PM EDT
Q2
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https://t.co/U2gRg3L7f6
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:22 PM EDT
A2: Same argument as Jefferson writing the Dec. of Ind. w/ all men created equal and a slave owner. Context is key
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
unless you are French....
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ConnellySue
Sep 1 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A1 Represents heroism, freedoms, patriotism. Honoring our country, forefathers, servicemen, culture and way of life.
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A2 I hope you look at video and post
https://t.co/nVDsOqI5Pi
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I didn't know about verse until issue arose
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
Really good question! I'm writing that down...I don't have an answer.
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:23 PM EDT
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A1. I just think it's just another song. More meaningful ways to honor ones country than singing
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@classroomtools
Saving this for future reference. Love the way you put this.
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JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:23 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
what have you learned from them?
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
Q3
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MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
@MrsC_Will
Fantastic questions. It's like when we added "under God" to the pledge. Can we do that to the anthem?
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
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Living in the US means that our rights/freedoms r supposed to be honored,right? Can we honor our right/freedom to not sing it?
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
@MrsC_Will
that's how I feel about the flag - even a blue and gold version for Notre Dame, etc - bugs me
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MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A2. Impressment was the key, contentious issue that fed the War Hawks' clamor for war. They likened it to slavery.
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ConnellySue
Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A1 = To other groups, it represents our nation whether they agree, like it or dislike it. There are connections to USA with N A
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N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:25 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
@MrsC_Will
We went from in all "thy sons" command, to in all "of us" command. Come into the 21st century, I say.
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A2
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oppression is all about control - unjust, cruel, nasty, un fair control
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:25 PM EDT
I agree the history-story of the past really helps us understnad the issue in a new light- All men created=?
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https://t.co/EUcKPXhOs1
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
beat me to the keys - it is important to know the origins of national symbols ...
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https://t.co/8D7SY10x1c
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1b: In reality, how many people KNOW where the anthem comes from? Is there a reason we chose this for our anthem?
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Qs that need answ
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:26 PM EDT
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A3 Oppression is forcibly stifling the rights/freedoms/actions of others if they dont follow those in power. large/small scale
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:26 PM EDT
Founding fathers wrote all men created = but owned slaves- Rebelled NO TAXES- rich white guys -
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tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A3 Unjust control and we can use it in our teaching by being honest about it and being sensitive to the fact that it happens
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A3: Oppression is unjust treatment. Teach Ss that it comes in many forms and many different degrees.
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https://t.co/HTh3abcxxs
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:24 PM EDT
Q3
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:27 PM EDT
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Its something to keep in mind when teaching,do we allow all to express themselves? Or force them to do something they dont want to
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
Thomas hope you enjoy the conversation and the experience- how could you use topics like this w/ ss?
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A3
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we can use oppression in the class to consider context, foster empathy, evaluate growth, push for change today
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:27 PM EDT
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... force them to do something they dont want to,under perceive notion of not being "patriotic" or "honoring"
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A3 Oppression is denying people/groups the rights that they are entitled to as human beings
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A3: Help kids see other points of view. Depends on your location. Hard for some Ss to understand oppression. See from other POV
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@tammy_brown_edu
ahh yes- put it in context of time period- doesn't make it right but behavior was not individual but societal
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
Agreed! I teach in the South but grew up in the military. Never experienced the probs my Ss faced.
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N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A3 Teaching it is crucial; some have no understanding or empathy because they've fortunately never experienced it;
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MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A3. Oppression can be hanging on to the status quo in the name of tradition without acknowledging others' perspective.
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A3: This is where using speakers, stories, Primary sources is huge! I´d love to skype with Civil Rights participants.
#powerful
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jmadlin001
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A3 Doesn't this bring us back to whether we can empathize with others? Some ppl can't/won't see oppression.
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ConnellySue
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
A2 - 'Sounds' like it applies but is not the change I would like to see. It may raise awareness of the results of war.
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@Braz74
I showed pictures today of the liberty bell and five feet away - slave building being excavated. Tough history
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Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@tammy_brown_edu
which makes the idea of judging the behavior on our standards inappropriate-do we stand up against injustice today?
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DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3) oppression is being held back because of laws or social norms that are out of one's control or they feel powerless.to change it.
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N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@Chucktaft
Absolutely! I would agree with all of this
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3: For US9 and Civil Rights- I have a
@SamuelLJackson
interview describing oppression growing up in Tennessee. Got kids thinking
#sstlap
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:30 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
demonstrates that we were created as a country of states, which clouds national identity -- a discussion in itself.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Q4
#sstlap
https://t.co/8hLh4xpjnv
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:31 PM EDT
On of my fave parts of the new US Capitol Visitor Center is the memorial to the slaves that built it
https://t.co/djgidiluKX
#sstlap
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
@SamuelLJackson
Where did you find this? That sounds like it would be great to use
#sstlap
mhoeckelman
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Sorry guys. Karate tonight and late dinner and a 5 year old who needs a bath and a book read to them. Have a great weekend.
#sstlap
DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
A3) in teaching, try to help those who are a majority understand what it is to be "oppresed." Empathy, being in the shoes of others.
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Q5: Remind Ss to watch words. Ss often say thing they wouldn't say if members of another group were there.
#sstlap
https://t.co/UPIBUlTOWT
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Q4
#sstlap
https://t.co/8hLh4xpjnv
DeniseHazlett
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
#sstlap
A3 Denise from Cobb InTech unification doesn't necessitate homogenous means, heterogeneous with common vision will work.
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
A4: Kind of built into our curriculum as we talk about treatment of Aboriginals in Canada
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
@JeremyDBond
True! Other countries may have a nationality...we have many nationalities. Does a national identity exist?
#sstlap
#apush
MidlandSuptBW
Sep 1 @ 9:32 PM EDT
A3: oppression comes in many forms. It has been part of human existance. It should be pointed out & openly discussed to change.
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4. Use my experience as a Filipino,to introduce conversations plenty of times abt race/systemic racism
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
Oppression is not following the ideals of Voltaire
#sstlap
. Free speech is tough but so crucial in so many forms
https://t.co/njPshFZHIl
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
Q3 I keep thinking about the blue eye simulation where the teacher segregated her class based on eye color
#powerful
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 Most importantly,address that such topics WILL be uncomfortable,but necessary
ConnellySue
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A3 - Loss of rights, freedoms, knowledge without awareness or with awareness but unable to change the outcome or circumstance
#sstlap
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A4 Easiest way to show white privilege is to discuss average group income. Whites earn more than blacks who earn more than hispanics
#sstlap
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
As educators we should always stand up against it. Our students need to see us fighting injustice.
#sstlap
https://t.co/OEikjT3oVf
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@tammy_brown_edu
which makes the idea of judging the behavior on our standards inappropriate-do we stand up against injustice today?
#sstlap
jmadlin001
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A4 This is tough. I teach in a small rural white school. Have to use LOTS of current events.
#sstlap
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
A4
#sstlap
. Just a bit of humor in a difficult topic
https://t.co/oB2dj6JKMo
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 Try to prevent topics to become "Trying to make me feel guilty bc I'm white?" That's not the case,never the case
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
Q4b: Open their eyes to other races/cultures and don't belittle an issue because you haven't experienced it.
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
I teach in the rural north, very diff. for my students to relate to inner city or southern areas.
#sstlap
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@Braz74
Jane Elliott
https://t.co/MgHscxtBGH
#sstlap
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@Braz74
Yes. Here is a link to the documentary.
https://t.co/HKhUSmdlxG
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
A4 when I taught mostly white ss -they didn't understand white privilege-have to create situation to help them experience oppression
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 but if ppl get stuck in "white guilt" that means purpose is missed
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:35 PM EDT
Thanks Buddy
#sstlap
https://t.co/hK4aYG5Acm
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:34 PM EDT
@Braz74
Yes. Here is a link to the documentary.
https://t.co/HKhUSmdlxG
#sstlap
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:35 PM EDT
A4 Excellent question! I teach sixth graders so I must tread lightly because of my population but I owe it to my students to expose
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
I tell them it's not about making them feel guilty. Its making them aware and empathetic.
#noignorance
#sstlap
khqp
Sep 1 @ 9:35 PM EDT
A3: I'm starting a social justice & history unit through medium of theatre on oppression as defined below
#sstlap
https://t.co/YOzHWYe0b1
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
A4
#sstlap
not necessarily white privilege -
@historycomics
reminded me -Fighting Whites mascot
https://t.co/ObY4gvWcOG
good topic to discuss
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 As well, acknowledge that white privilege means that they r in position to provide platform for SOCs' voices
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
YES and YES! we have to model good citizenship if we want ss to become good citizens and Great People
#sstlap
https://t.co/7KRR6DhH7T
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:33 PM EDT
As educators we should always stand up against it. Our students need to see us fighting injustice.
#sstlap
https://t.co/OEikjT3oVf
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:29 PM EDT
@tammy_brown_edu
which makes the idea of judging the behavior on our standards inappropriate-do we stand up against injustice today?
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
My Ss are in the rural South. They don't understand black/white issues but understand White/Hispanic issues
#sstlap
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@Braz74
If I was teaching face to face, I'd probably use this activity to introduce privilege:
https://t.co/5UeWJ9BhKI
#sstlap
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
@DaveWheeler11
in a nearly all-white high school I took an English class called "Cry of the Minority." Hard to discern much impact.
#sstlap
mr_thurman
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
A4. Teach James Baldwin whenever possible.
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:37 PM EDT
@Braz74
How did you do that?
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:37 PM EDT
love it- i had a social problems class- was such an amazing experience
#sstlap
https://t.co/ZiZUolHExd
khqp
Sep 1 @ 9:35 PM EDT
A3: I'm starting a social justice & history unit through medium of theatre on oppression as defined below
#sstlap
https://t.co/YOzHWYe0b1
EvaaaaanD
Sep 1 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A4 task students with defining white priv. in their own words w/ examples. Have them determine if their claims hold true w/ stats
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:37 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 In addition, bring talks into action, dont just talk the talk, walk the walk
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:37 PM EDT
A4: This is huge in the
#APUSH
curriculum Something we study in all 9 time periods. Does it exist? Why does it start? How change?
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
yes- don't experience same negative backlash- What is the worst insult you have received as a white person?
#sstlap
https://t.co/FY0v1Qmkwj
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:36 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 As well, acknowledge that white privilege means that they r in position to provide platform for SOCs' voices
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Q5
#sstlap
https://t.co/T7pImUXM2x
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
#sstlap
A4 And dont evr forget to acknowledge it in oneself first. Inherent biases must be acknowledged to move forward
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
@mr_thurman
2nd hour of today's Diane Rehm Show might be useful (in whole or part):
https://t.co/2HlmI491rT
#sstlap
ConnellySue
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
A4 Perhaps expose students to this thru role play, modeling using a foriegn language - have some speak to them without knowing lang.
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:39 PM EDT
Q5: Tough one. When you start to put limits on speech at what point do you stop? Who determines that?
#sstlap
https://t.co/ZUEDjlDs6i
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Q5
#sstlap
https://t.co/T7pImUXM2x
MrBrownNWMS
Sep 1 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A5. Yup.
@realDonaldTrump
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:39 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
I used the blue eye simulation video but not really achieve the goal- I am still working on this
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:39 PM EDT
#sstlap
A5 Yes,hateful speech,aimed @ undermining others due to color of skin/ethnicity/background/gender/sexuality
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A5 Of course. Was it Justice Brandeis who wrote that we "can't shout Fire in a crowded theater."
#sstlap
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A5
#sstlap
yup - because no limits mean everything is limited, right? The whole Locke state of nature argument, isn't it?
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A5 Yes there are limits due to a society that hides behind the keyboard and refuses to see any other POV except their own.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:40 PM EDT
YOu guys are awesome- I have been in so many good conversations- behind on the questions- so much greatness
#sstlap
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:40 PM EDT
@Braz74
" look at the white boy in a skirt" - as I walked down the hall in a kilt. Instead of getting mad, talked to the girls
#sstlap
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A5) There are already limits to free speech (yelling "FIRE" in crowded theater, for ex). Ask why, what happens if further limits.
#sstlap
MidlandSuptBW
Sep 1 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A5: absoltely. The courts have determined that.
#sstlap
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A5: When advocating hate or harm to others, then there should be limits. Right to speak can not infringe on other's right to be safe
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
Isn't it a right to be a hateful bigot if one chooses? "You are free to choose but not free from consequence."
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A4: Love the ideas shared, here´s a statement I get- that happened 50 or 100 years ago. Should we be over that? Thoughts?
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@ConnellySue
yes she says don't do it unless you are trained- can be soo impactful but neg if not done well
#sstlap
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
We are all America.
#sstlap
https://t.co/zSIkOm8bZK
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
What four words do you feel should be included in our national anthem?
#sstlap
#tlap
.... :)
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
#sstlap
A5 Ever hear the phrase "If you've got nothing nice to say,dont say it?"
jmadlin001
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A5 I teach what FOS is every yr. 7th graders have no idea. Yes there should be limits.
#sstlap
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A5 b and there should be only in cases of "FIRE" in a crowded room due to others rights of safety and not being killed via trampling
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
Not saying it's right/wrong. As Ts We should still stand up for those that hate speech is aimed at.
#sstlap
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
Though that then gets into where that line is. In U.S. even hateful speech protected. Was "odious" used in decision?
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:42 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
#sstlap
Yes,but if ppl r free to be bigots,they pass that down,continuously creates bigotry. There MUSt be consequences
EvaaaaanD
Sep 1 @ 9:42 PM EDT
#sstlap
A5 slippery slope. no one appreciates hate speech -- esp. those most affected by it -- wish ppl could just be cooler. no limits imo
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5: Freedom of speech means that unpopular opinions may be shared and that's okay; how else do we encourage thoughtful discourse
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5: I could teach a class about 1st amendment!!! Const. Interp. is huge here. I want ask Ss that ? before we study 1st amend.
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:43 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
Not all hate speech is threatening. I've seen my g-pa say hateful things (He's southern) but he would never act.
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:43 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
#sstlap
Such as armed protesters who protested mosques,w/hateful shirts,speech. If those were Muslims doing same to a church...
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
Encourage exploration of lasting effects of events from 50 or 100 years ago? Same argument for Rev War?
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@ConnellySue
I follow it all the time,I just lower myself to their level if I act similarly
#sstlap
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
#sstlap
already in there - land of the free
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:44 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
But would he remain silent it other people do act? Would he support or vote for them?
@N_Davidson18
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
no-sorry not at you individually-had convo with colleague today and that came up -can't think of a bad name as white
#sstlap
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@MrBarry628
#sstlap
already in there - land of the free
https://t.co/YP2tL0xpLo
MrBarry628
Sep 1 @ 9:20 PM EDT
What four words do you feel should be included in our national anthem?
#sstlap
#tlap
.... :)
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
#sstlap
Some ppl develop thick skins, fine,but what abt those who commit suicide bc of anti-lgbt+? Bullying? Cyberbullying
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:45 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
Coming at this from a Canadian perspective; I guess I mean hate in terms of promoting violence
#sstlap
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:45 PM EDT
The past isn't even past. Injustice--even death--continues. We never stop working toward a "more perfect" union.
#sstlap
@MrMoose_History
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:46 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
if they're armed that's a different issue. But protesters are allowed to do so (peacefully of course).
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:46 PM EDT
@Braz74
#sstlap
Ah, true, that's what I had thought,but I just wanted to clarify. I wasnt offended XD
jmadlin001
Sep 1 @ 9:46 PM EDT
Gotta go. Getting late in NY. Day 2 of school tomorrow. Great chat! Thanks so much.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Q6
#sstlap
https://t.co/R7tqEGQNuq
DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A5) limits exist to protect people from dangerous settimgs . All other speech, harmful or not should be allowed. Teachable moments.
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@classroomtools
@N_Davidson18
I'm just saying, there are ppl that are all talk. To silence his voice is to go against the 1st amend.
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
A5: The schenk and Debs cases would be big here. Maybe compare that to Kapernick or BLM. Does situation or medium of protest matter?
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
#sstlap
If protests hav hateful speech such as "F**K Islam!" or "Get out of our country," I'd classify that as not protesting
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@JeremyDBond
@MrMoose_History
Think this is key. Can't say things are "good enough." Constant effort to live up to ideals.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
Q5 if you limit a freedom to not offend you then you have lost freedom for all - hard to balance greater good and liberty
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
Gotcha. lol Does it count as hate that my Husband calls me Canadian bc I lived in AK?
#sstlap
shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
#sstlap
Protests are supposed to be used to bring abt positive change in a Democratic society,not kick the "others" out
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:48 PM EDT
A6
#sstlap
protest can set stage for honest discussion - historical (Smith Carolos in '68) to present (Kaepernick) - avenue for dialogue
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:49 PM EDT
Q5 I find many things ppl say disturbing but if I want to maintain my freedom I have to allow them to have freedoms
#sstlap
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:49 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
Of course the 1st amendment only limits government from infringing on free speech.
@N_Davidson18
#sstlap
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:49 PM EDT
A6 Intentionally present the lesson from POV of the underdog and get students passionate about that POV
#sstlap
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:49 PM EDT
A5) No, but as long as speech is bigoted, it stunts our growth as one nation. Free speech doesn't trump all.
#sstlap
https://t.co/gRPo5VxGpz
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:38 PM EDT
Q5
#sstlap
https://t.co/T7pImUXM2x
EvaaaaanD
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A5
#sstlap
lesson1- what is history? lesson2-why does it matter? HL of major current issues today. Oppression often leads to revolution.
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@Braz74
You also have a voice, and are free to use that voice to challenge what you find disturbing.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
Example- 4th amendment- government took away protections saying it makes us safer- ppl bought it-- are we safer?
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
Q6: We use this when discussing BOR and Civil Disobedience. Protest in many forms.
#sstlap
https://t.co/woJAvIO0AE
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:47 PM EDT
Q6
#sstlap
https://t.co/R7tqEGQNuq
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@CHitch94
@JeremyDBond
Right, still an interesting POV from students. Especially if they see everything from on POV or source.
#sstlap
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@Braz74
But it's not about offending; limits protect people from violence; can we allow free speech that advocates for lynching?
#sstlap
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A6 tell Ss about Black and Jewish cops I know who have to protect KKK marchers when they have a permit to March... Tough!
#sstlap
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@Chucktaft
Can you live with neg consequences of your protest?
https://t.co/EOjmQafTCL
by John Carlos.
#sstlap
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:51 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
Nope never hate...it means he thinks you are super cool! :)
#sstlap
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A6
#sstlap
analyze methods of protest, examining pros and cons - boycott, civil disobedience, political org, riot, strike, etc
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A6 lots of examples of protest shld be shown- Ghandi, King, peaceful, violent to show ss what it looks like &which effective
#sstlap
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:52 PM EDT
@N_Davidson18
The
#SCOTUS
has repeatedly said yes we can, as long as speech does not turn into action.
@Braz74
#sstlap
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Current events are excellent ways to present examples of protests and have an honest discussion about them
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:52 PM EDT
Yes- my answer was similar- explore the examples and dissect
#sstlap
https://t.co/M5DuXM9ums
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:51 PM EDT
A6
#sstlap
analyze methods of protest, examining pros and cons - boycott, civil disobedience, political org, riot, strike, etc
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:52 PM EDT
1 question left of this amazing conversation
#sstlap
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@classroomtools
@Braz74
See, in Canada we can't do that. Advocating for someone's death has crossed that line
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A6: I teach Civil Discourse- how do you express opinion/frustration/protest in civil manner? Applies to School/Local/State/Natl.
#sstlap
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A6 In AP Euro we compared protests of 1848 and 1968 - students were blown away by similarities
#sstlap
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@DaveWheeler11
it took college, simply by having interaction with far more diversity of people, to have more impact than any course.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
@classroomtools
absolutely- that is why I love America- we have created RIGHTS
#sstlap
DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A6)the ideas of protest can be taught in small pieces where issues of rules/fairness come into play. Protest w/civility and respect
#sstlap
MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:53 PM EDT
Q6: Show relevant photos of protest in different forms. This one has always stuck with me.
#sstlap
https://t.co/jf62firmSH
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@Braz74
Great way to model. I ask the question: which is more effective for change Peace or Violence. Its an interesting discussion
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
Q7
#sstlap
https://t.co/xS0YVL7qeB
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
A6: Freedom Riders; LGBTQ allies; support for indigenous issues from non-indigenous people
#sstlap
Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
A6 HUGE part of our jobs as SS pros - teach people to disagree agreeably after honest open discussion
#sstlap
must model!
khqp
Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
A6: I teach & use protest activities from Boal's Theatre of the Oppressed movement
https://t.co/XaxtLNEEJ3
#sstlap
https://t.co/F6GkBn7NSJ
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
@Braz74
True, we have. However, we also should have specified the responsibilities entailed by those rights.
#sstlap
Braz74
- Moderator
Sep 1 @ 9:55 PM EDT
@JeremyDBond
yes hard to listen to speech that tears nation apart- just saw vido on Trump supporters at rally's-WOW is all i can say
#sstlap
CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:55 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
I always used that image w/ my Ss. Led to good discussions.
#sstlap
MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:55 PM EDT
@historycomics
Oh, I am sooooo doing that that this year. I´ve always been on time crunch in pre-redesign Euro to do 1968 Justice.
#sstlap
historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:55 PM EDT
A6 we also routinely pick apart hip hop lyrics as a form of protest - doesn't have to be rioting in the streets
@MrChuckD
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:55 PM EDT
A7
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I go with this argument - symbols of freedom mean we have the freedom to desecrate them - but I wouldn't do it ...
JeremyDBond
Sep 1 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@shadow_uzumaki
it's about understanding one's privilege and being willing to give some up. We must feel SOMEthing for that to work.
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A7
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... and I can criticize those that desecrate (in a civil manner)
N_Davidson18
Sep 1 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A7: Why not? While I may not agree with those actions myself I think living in a free society means you can burn the flag in protest
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MrMoose_History
Sep 1 @ 9:56 PM EDT
@Chucktaft
It is honestly the number 1. thing I feel I teach in my Am. Government
@Legislative_Sem
class.
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DaveWheeler11
Sep 1 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A7) not off limits but harms the message. Dont alienate those whose opinion you're trying to change. Message needs to be the focus
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tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:56 PM EDT
A7My grandfather(WWII vet)told me he fought for my right to protest even by burning the flag. Do I struggle when I see that happen?
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@MrMoose_History
I had them do the research themselves and just watched the light bulbs going off
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shadow_uzumaki
Sep 1 @ 9:57 PM EDT
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I'm gonna dip out. Rare moment of actually finishing hw for once. Gonna enjoy it. G'night y'all! Excellent convos
tammy_brown_edu
Sep 1 @ 9:57 PM EDT
A7 b Yes I do but I remind myself this is the USA and we are great because of freedom
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MrsC_Will
Sep 1 @ 9:57 PM EDT
Q7: No. We may not agree with the action but no.
#SCOTUS
has determined that.
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https://t.co/jWlqZWvneQ
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:54 PM EDT
Q7
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https://t.co/xS0YVL7qeB
Braz74
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Sep 1 @ 9:57 PM EDT
@classroomtools
agreed- you have expectations along with those rights-
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classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:57 PM EDT
A7 Absolutely. If freedom means only freedom for others to do what we approve, the freedom is meaningless.
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EvaaaaanD
Sep 1 @ 9:58 PM EDT
A7
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as disrespectful as it may be, it is still a nonviolent, victim-less form of protest
37mattwilliams
Sep 1 @ 9:58 PM EDT
A7) Great question to ask Ss and then dive into cases like Texas v Johnson. Then see if their opinions have changed.
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Chucktaft
Sep 1 @ 9:58 PM EDT
A7
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we need to remember that while
#SCOTUS
protects those rights, that is the opinion of the court - and opinions can change
classroomtools
Sep 1 @ 9:58 PM EDT
@MrsC_Will
#SCOTUS
has repeatedly determined that we have freedom to desecrate the flag.
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CHitch94
Sep 1 @ 9:59 PM EDT
Great chat tonight. Off to get kid 2 to bed. Have a great week, everyone, and thank you for the thoughtful discussion.
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historycomics
Sep 1 @ 9:59 PM EDT
The best form of democratic protest? VOTE!
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