#OhEdChat Archive
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Wednesday July 13, 2016
Tonight seems like a great time to tackle my first Twitter chat. Excited to learn more about DOK!
Welcome to . Please share your name and where you are from.
I can already feel the electricity from others for this chat! Let's do this!
Good evening, haven't been apart of a live in weeks, super glad to be here! HS SPED from Akron, OH
I'm excited for my first to begin
Our moderators for tonight's will be me and Bethany Hill
welcome, Katie! We will take good care of you!
Good evening! Super pumped to moderate with the amazing . Bethany, elem lead learner in Arkansas!
Thanks for joining again Reuben
Joining tonight from Massachusetts.
Brian, HS principal
Sierra, special ed major from Fairfield Co.
Paul from NJ. Dean of Behavioral Management/Special Education Teacher/Gamechanger - Excited to learn alongside greatness.
Lisa, IC, suburban Chicago. Hi, all!
Still can't believe we have the wonderful and amazing in the house tonight!
Hi and I are joining in from Atlantic City meeting with
Ryan Rismiller, HS AP Marion Harding
Hi all! It's Beth the ELA T, from Springfield, here to get inspired with my favorite chat, !
I'm Jason Bates, an Assistant Principal at Olentangy HS. Excited to join tonight!
Hello ! Todd, elem principal in CA...pumped to be here w & leading the charge (and the right night too!)
Thanks for being here Nick! I think you will gain a great deal from the chat
Love that you are a part of our wonderful tribe!
will be in a Q1, Q2 with responses A1, A2, etc.
Welcome, ! Glad to have you here tonight with ! https://t.co/4655qGXHmk
Tonight seems like a great time to tackle my first Twitter chat. Excited to learn more about DOK!
Awwwww....this southern gal is thrilled to be invited to ! https://t.co/aJiq1ipsE8
Still can't believe we have the wonderful and amazing in the house tonight!
Thanks for being here Katie
Good evening 5th grade teacher here to support my eduheroes and Looking forward to some great learning!
Lori from Canal Winchester joining in on my phone while traveling🙄
Hi! Teresa, MS Literacy Teacher, from NY.
Hello I am a student pursuing alternative license for special education
Garry Young, Principal of Zanesville High School in Zanesville, Ohio.
Dave Dakolios, Perrysburg HS
Yay! Sandy is here!!!! https://t.co/weWXVIEDAl
Good evening 5th grade teacher here to support my eduheroes and Looking forward to some great learning!
Thanks for joining again Bri! Always great insight
Wow! You know something is going right when you get Californians to the east side! Welcome, Brother!
Grateful for the invites, hospitality and camaraderie.
https://t.co/SiZpWnxCDS
Joining tonight from Massachusetts.
Brian, HS principal
Yeah! Welcome, Alysse! Great to connect with you twice in one week!
epic leader. Epic person. Hope you are having a great summer, Brian!
TODD! Soooo glad you made it!
Amy, third grade ELA teacher, Glenford, OH
Don't forget to include the hashtag so everyone can follow along.
Lindsey from Arkansas here. K-2 Principal
Derek, math T, Parkersburg WV. My 4 yr old been teaching me about DOK for the last hour. Counting... https://t.co/SfzjfLDHsT
Elisabeth from NY joining in for a great topic here on !
Ray HS Principal at West Mukingum Excited to learn more about DoK the expert!
YES! Welcome, Sandy! So glad you are here, friend!
Kristi, AP, from Texas! So honored and thrilled to be here! Ready to learn!
I'm Allie, Kindergarten teacher in Raleigh, NC.
Hi, ! Claire ,principal from Athens, Ohio
thanks for joining again Sierra
Thanks . Back at you.
Are you in OH or still on vacation?
https://t.co/OWubTUr8MD
Thanks for joining again Bri! Always great insight
Well with you, and the whole tribe...this oughta be great! https://t.co/I3brEIRtTn
Wow! You know something is going right when you get Californians to the east side! Welcome, Brother!
Hi everyone! Melanie From MT 9-12 English teacher
We have another rookie in the house for ! Love it! Bring your A game, Nick! https://t.co/TUHgGpBJr9
I'm excited for my first to begin
BAM! Everyone needs to follow Erik - we have a DOK expert in the room tonight! So glad you are here!
Thanks! Wouldn't want to miss! So many AWESOME eds here in
Hello ! Dawn, instructional coach from Wapak, checking it out tonight.
Hi ! Mindy, MS teacher in Mt Vernon joining in
Thanks for a wonderful chat tonight! Lots of great conversation! Got to head to !
Hey, Ray! Thanks for being here and bringing others with you - you model great leadership!
Hi, Emily from CT teaching 1st!
Thanks for being here tonight Jason
Good evening - Meredith joining from rainy SW FL
Hi, Sierra! So good to meet you earlier this week!
Hello to both of you! This chat is rockin' already!
thanks for joining tonight Todd
Thanks . EPICis also the people you hang with, especially the PLN from OH.
https://t.co/HFfFSKDvTQ
epic leader. Epic person. Hope you are having a great summer, Brian!
hi ! I was a day early and sort lonely last night so am chiming back in tonight. I'm Sara, a kindergarten teacher in Lake Tahoe, NV
Good evening ! Paul, Elem Prin, from humid central Kansas! First time to hit up the chat, but gotta support Neil and Beth!
Hi, Lisa! Great to see you here! Can't wait to learn with you!
Thanks for being here Sandy
soooooo glad to see you tonight!
Tim H,
Assistant Superintendent from neighboring Indianapolis, Indiana.
Todd!!! and I just saw Woot!
Zach Peterson, Olentangy HS (Braves)
Digging the DOK of the participants, excited to see what comes up in tonight's chat
Hi, ! Brent Clarkson from Katy, TX. 7th/8th grade T and aspiring admin. Excited to be here.
Thanks for being here Lori
ty! so happy to be here! quickly becoming one of my favorite events!😄
Not your fault - it was all me!
I am already distracted learning who Pickachu and Zumbat are. LOL
Thanks! has an awesome crew and a pretty cool special guest!
Thanks for joining tonight Gary
Hi Allie - I teach kindergarten too. Maybe our kids can be sm friends this year.
You bet! Some pretty amazing educators here at ! So happy to be a part!
You too! By the way, the Voxer convo has been entertaining.
Welcome aboard Dawn! You'll enjoy it!
Wow! Huge compliment! We are very honored!
Katie, reading specialist, Sedalia Elementary, Groveport-Madison
I saw the tweet! I was kind of with you!
hi Allie!! Good to see you and learn with you!!
Thanks for sharing tonight Dave
I'm John from Ft Lauderdale, born in Cleveland. I'm an edtech curriculum developer for elementary schools. https://t.co/t2khYjn4T0
hi ! I was a day early and sort lonely last night so am chiming back in tonight. I'm Sara, a kindergarten teacher in Lake Tahoe, NV
Hello - Joey from Flagler, FL. District technology and innovation coordinator.
glad to be learning alongside you and this great PLN
Ha! I was itching to post a picture, but I don't think it would've had the same effect...
hey Ben in Reno NV jumping in late
Glad to be here and see all the wonderful responses.
I'll jump in. Director of Curriculum Instruction and Assessment. Rhode Island
Thanks for joining the chat tonight
No way! Wow! So glad you are here, Lis!
Hi guys! Helen from Houston here! 4th gr math & science
Great question .
RT Q1: How do you ensure getting to deeper levels of learning?
Thanks for jumping in Zach - should be a good one
Yay for 5th grade teachers! Great that you're here!
A1: I think focusing more on the levels of questioning can help us get to deeper levels of knowledge.
So glad to finally make the chat!
A1: is one way we this on our campus. Love the depth of learning that happens when Ss get to create meaningful products.
A1: When Ss can apply what they have learned to a real-life of practical situation.
I'm here. Late. Reading to Adam. Jim, from Lewis center. Tech teacher middle school.
A1: We can ensure deeper learning by being intentional in the questions that we ask. We have to plan well for this!
Yep!!!! https://t.co/pLLzZfBG5q
A1: is one way we this on our campus. Love the depth of learning that happens when Ss get to create meaningful products.
Thanks for joining from Illinois tonight
Welcome, Tim! Glad you are here!
A1 1st need to make sure Ss have a foundation, then questioning and allowing them to find the answers https://t.co/Al1UZ36NaE
A1: PD is really valuable to get students to higher DOK...teachers need tools to understand how it can be applied!
A1 I ask myself: is this something they could look up in 5s on their phone? If the answer is yes, then it's a waste of time.
A1 Teach the students about the levels of DOK so they understand where and why you are taking them on the journey.
Hi, I'm Bri from the western suburbs of Chicago and excited to join my first and learn from all of you!
A1: discussion, strategic student grouping
thanks for joining tonight Brent
Hi, . MS principal from PA.
A1: Using question stems to ask questions/have students ask questions
A1: being in the classrooms, hearing them collaborate, problem solve and create. The data will also speak volumes
Wow! Great to have you and here at - we need to get and over here, too!
A1: Questioning can help lead to deeper thinking
A2. Ss creating the questions to be answered by other students! It's amazing!
A1: We worked on re-mapping and pacing our curriculum this year, and Ts learned about and used the DoK and Hess matrix in process
A1: Continually check for understanding & find meaningful ways for students to engage with the curriculum. https://t.co/yPLRxI3whw
Absolutely. If you can Google it...well it may need to have more "meat" to it! https://t.co/yErWviWFB8
A1 I ask myself: is this something they could look up in 5s on their phone? If the answer is yes, then it's a waste of time.
A1 Depth can be attained when Ss have choice. Where there's ownership, depth of learning is more likely.
I meant to say "or" rather than "of", sorry community https://t.co/7zmlncM5dc
A1: When Ss can apply what they have learned to a real-life of practical situation.
Also, my first ! Excited for the opportunity. Grade 8 ELA from Franklin, OH.
A1: Flipped classroom, PBL, reflective thinking, targeting all learning styles. Focusing on process over product.
Thanks for jumping in Lisa
A1: real world examples and life lessons. Make the Ss feel like they're a part of the team.
currently in DC for Rally
Thank you so much! I'm super excited and honored!
I found a Zubat in our High School today!
Hey it's Paul- edurockstar extraordinaire! Great interview for podcast btw :)
A1 a good plan-is what we are doing aligned to goals/standards & are we providing support to get there https://t.co/oitCwegoAr
Love the reminder to create constant checks - so glad you are here! You rocked your edcamp blog!
Joining the chat while watching the ESPY's
A1: High quality questions, intentional sequencing of Qs. Group answer from Atlantic City
A1b: Modeling in the classroom is also key...students need to see how we develop metacognition, HOTS, etc.
A1: Ask Ss for connections/explanations for thinking-not just an answer. Allow Ss to make thinking visible
A1: Horizontal connections btwn content areas and draw in current events. We implement depth/complexity icons, too.
A1 Authentic applications create situations where Ss want to know more -- and will delve deeper in subjects
Hey there, , innovative learning specialist from GA. Sorry I'm late!
A1 I think discussions - 1:1, small group and whole class can go along way to getting everyone a little deeper in
Wow! Glad you are able to stop in for this conversation!
Greetings Alisa, Prog Coordinator, Glad to be here.
A1: Giving student choice in their learning helps to ensure DOK. Kids will dig deeper when they have passion.
A1: relationship building w/Ss
Great to see you this evening
A1: students teaching class
Hello
Rosa Isiah, Elem School Principal, Cali ;)
Mic drop #1 for https://t.co/MAx50OZW5A
A1b: Modeling in the classroom is also key...students need to see how we develop metacognition, HOTS, etc.
A1) I often have to prepare deeper level questions in advance. If not, I keep the thinking at lower levels.
I like it - reminds me of a GPS for students https://t.co/wL1aqxVjyi
A1 Teach the students about the levels of DOK so they understand where and why you are taking them on the journey.
A1 Stopped accepting low DOK as "evidence" of lrng. Part of the process? Yes. But goal/target is much higher.
Teach your students to ask questions at the various DOK levels. It's not always about what the teacher does.
A1: If S's are motivated by grades than T's need to makeover the lesson plan.
Love the self-reflection in your answer!
A1: "What makes you think that?" "Why?" and other questions that ask for more info or how they got the answer.
Hi all! Lori from VA. So excited to chat rigor and DOK tonight in .
Thanks for being here Bri
A1: Give students choice as to how to display mastery and understanding
And mic drop! YES! This increases a child's ability to achieve depth because they're motivated/invested. https://t.co/xgR8lvBE7i
A1 Depth can be attained when Ss have choice. Where there's ownership, depth of learning is more likely.
A1: Observations and recordings - then later watching those recordings. If it can be looked up quickly, it may not be effective.
A1: monitoring, questioning, application- building of understanding
A1: Probing Ss with HOT questions, engaging them in discussions, provide access to inquiry-based lessons/labs
A1 By asking thicker questions, challenging Ss to think "What if we did this instead?
A1 Build on what students already know to dig deeper, ask better questions, experiment with ideas, and reflect on learning
A1 Collaborative conversation for Metacognition, reflection, student led inquiry, and using inquiry as a teacher.
Ohmigosh! This is amazing! We also have Dr. Isiah in the house!
Thanks for joining from PA Cheryl
A1 provide relevant real world applications-how will this benefit others or yourself in positive way? https://t.co/oitCwegoAr
Yes...and scaffolding until we get kids there! https://t.co/hceUXvmZV6
A1: monitoring, questioning, application- building of understanding
A1: let students create the activity to meet the target - all levels of DOK represented
Nicely said! https://t.co/uIGpPGeKWK
A1 Stopped accepting low DOK as "evidence" of lrng. Part of the process? Yes. But goal/target is much higher.
A1 When students have choice and voice. Both T and Ss take time for meaningful purposeful reflection. Act on reflections.
When Ss are in an environment where they can have ownership and take accountability in their work
Absolutely. https://t.co/Ete9VLpcsr
A1: "What makes you think that?" "Why?" and other questions that ask for more info or how they got the answer.
Showing all students different levels of learning through learning continuums. Opportunity for peer and teacher feedback.
A1 definitely, questioning...also not to overlook allowing for differentiation of products produced to show their learning.
A1 As an admin, you have to prepare the soil so things will grow, then thrive. That's my sole agrarian metaphor for the evening.
Kim from GA jumping right in!
A1 Give students the opportunity to ask questions, the tools to discover answers, the platform to share their learnings.
Hello, Rosa! Great to see you!
Yes. We have to ask questions as well as allow our students to ask them of us and each other.
Teaching students to think about their own thinking is powerful! https://t.co/IRn4XmP2DO
A1b: Modeling in the classroom is also key...students need to see how we develop metacognition, HOTS, etc.
A1: Using levels of questioning, making sure Ss understand what Qs are asking & never underestimating a S. https://t.co/dlobRC2498
Absolutely! We have to walk students into the deep end slowly and with guidance!
Great way to gather data by being in the classroom on a regular basis https://t.co/HYSpUNlnDB
A1: being in the classrooms, hearing them collaborate, problem solve and create. The data will also speak volumes
A1: cont. Sometimes "creative space chaos" and lots of movement are indications...
r u kidding...I'm here with YOU :)
Wow. Thanks for the mic drop https://t.co/IOdfxYT1v0
And mic drop! YES! This increases a child's ability to achieve depth because they're motivated/invested. https://t.co/xgR8lvBE7i
A1 Depth can be attained when Ss have choice. Where there's ownership, depth of learning is more likely.
A1 ask Q's that have multiple responses to help Ss learn multiple ways to approach problem-solving
A1: Big convo with teachers was that yes we are covering a standard, but how are we covering it. What's the DoK? Where on Hess?
We need to constantly ask "is this working" if not course correct-its about student learning https://t.co/zdD4qvCixs
Love the self-reflection in your answer!
A1: my Ss know their end product has to show learning beyond what we do in class-"above & beyond" is the standard
A1: Scaffold ?s. DOK-1:What is it? DOK-2: How can it B used? DOK-3: Why can it B used? DOK-4: What else can B done?/What can u do?
is always on it!
Piggyback: A1) Consistent feedback, transfer, and next level application! Great post!
vulnerability is an essential ingredient in deeper learning Doesn't exist without it.
A1: A strong culture of learning and inquiry is a foundation for depth...starts with the lead learner.
A1: Not accepting surface level answers. This can be tough, but so worth it!
Amen! We have to get to application for relevancy!
I have seen this done with great success.
Definitely! Thinking of DOK with behavioral skills here, too. Need to see empathy, self-regulation. https://t.co/ZIAIemNz4y
A1b: Modeling in the classroom is also key...students need to see how we develop metacognition, HOTS, etc.
A1 Stop putting a grade to everything Ss do. Participation grade? What DOK is that?!
A1 bring together rigor & relevance, high order probing/clarifying questioning, high student engagement to increase motivation
A1 Have Ss create ?s that include higher order thinking. Many times Ss learn more from asking ?s than by answering them
Yes! And two of my faves, Aaron and Paul! :) https://t.co/U3jaFqbOjz
vulnerability is an essential ingredient in deeper learning Doesn't exist without it.
A1 encourage failure, evaluation and retrying
This is a great practice! Speaks volumes! https://t.co/ZfrVKifuA1
A1: Observations and recordings - then later watching those recordings. If it can be looked up quickly, it may not be effective.
A1: asking the "right" questions
And it's a skill that can be so valuable...but we often don't give enough time for students to develop it! https://t.co/gCp0xrkU7U
Teaching students to think about their own thinking is powerful! https://t.co/IRn4XmP2DO
A1b: Modeling in the classroom is also key...students need to see how we develop metacognition, HOTS, etc.
Modeling inquiry and fostering student led inquiry promotes deeper thinking and Metacognition.
Love it! I coined the quote: Never underestimate the power of a highly, motivated student!
Love it Helen. I also like How do we know for sure? And Let's examine other possibilities?
Build higher levels into instruction
I agree -- meaningful feedback and the opportunity to adjust thinking are so important for students and educators!
When teachers allow students to lead and learn
Thanks for being here Dawn. I think you will enjoy it
A1: teach the Ss about the task you're asking them to do - go beyond the verb
You better believe it! Get over here!
Greg Garris, assistant principal from Worthington joining a little late. Ready to learn about Depth of Knowledge!
A1. It's all about the questions!
Great metaphor! Part of that preparation is making all staff feel valued. https://t.co/7jJAuHmr5e
A1 As an admin, you have to prepare the soil so things will grow, then thrive. That's my sole agrarian metaphor for the evening.
***Q2 is coming up in one minute!
Great to see you here, Brent!
A1 Too many Ts jump in to rescue Ss w answers right before Ss share their best thinking..let Ss grapple w problem/make connections
A1: Give them opportunities to demonstrate their learning on a deeper level.
Students want to see us walking the walk...sharing out loud how we develop empathy or solve a problem... https://t.co/YqnoAeKA9c
Definitely! Thinking of DOK with behavioral skills here, too. Need to see empathy, self-regulation. https://t.co/ZIAIemNz4y
A1b: Modeling in the classroom is also key...students need to see how we develop metacognition, HOTS, etc.
I facilitate learning how to engage in true collaborative convo, beyond the turn and talk. Extremely beneficial.
There's the GIFs I've been waiting for.
Process is important - product is more meaningful in an effective learning environment https://t.co/URNzYHq0wZ
A1: Flipped classroom, PBL, reflective thinking, targeting all learning styles. Focusing on process over product.
That's right! Seeing students in action speaks more loudly than numbers ever can! https://t.co/aXYZR4KHX5
Great way to gather data by being in the classroom on a regular basis https://t.co/HYSpUNlnDB
A1: being in the classrooms, hearing them collaborate, problem solve and create. The data will also speak volumes
A1: Productive struggle. Then let Ss teach/share/create videos to show new knowledge.
It's not Ben or a successful chat without them! '
A1: deeper levels of learning occurs when students can discuss, apply, and EXPAND on that learning
A1 Also allow st time to explain their understanding! Don't connect the dots of their learning in your 'teacher mind' for them!
Yes! Collaboration is an important life-skill for 21st century
A1: Planning, student choice,& timely feedback with Ss all help guide to deeper thinking. Ts modeling the process.
It's your fault really....I was occupying my time until with .
A1) Lots of "tion" words come to mind...elaboration, creation, collaboration...If lessons lack "tion" words, you're doomed.
A1: Be present in the CR and learn with the students.
A1 An elem school I work with, posts for every lesson, 4 DOK. Ss are made aware of skill & need to build levels of proficiency
A1: Have to ask great questions and make sure the students, not the teacher, answer them.
Only good can come from building relationships and honing school culture.
https://t.co/RTgs52EUvR
Great metaphor! Part of that preparation is making all staff feel valued. https://t.co/7jJAuHmr5e
A1 As an admin, you have to prepare the soil so things will grow, then thrive. That's my sole agrarian metaphor for the evening.
A1: When Ss can teach us something, we know they are learning lessons that stretch far beyond the classroom!
I agree! Love that. https://t.co/9zXUlaEfWM
vulnerability is an essential ingredient in deeper learning Doesn't exist without it.
I love this! https://t.co/6Plm7O9otq
A1) Lots of "tion" words come to mind...elaboration, creation, collaboration...If lessons lack "tion" words, you're doomed.
It's important 2 think about deeper level Qs when planning. It's a good idea 2 jot some down on cue cards! https://t.co/m8z27aH1Gn
A1) I often have to prepare deeper level questions in advance. If not, I keep the thinking at lower levels.
Great point - tough for Ss to show what they know if there isn't differentiation https://t.co/p972aYn0gF
A1 definitely, questioning...also not to overlook allowing for differentiation of products produced to show their learning.
Love when is in the house. We must speak their language and win their hearts before we try to enter their minds.
Thanks for being here Kim
A2. They are a guide-- a place to start. But so much room for creativity.
Exactly! Just dilutes the accuracy of communication of lrng.
I need to remember this when working with staff, too! https://t.co/W8N9Lo3U9h
A1 Also allow st time to explain their understanding! Don't connect the dots of their learning in your 'teacher mind' for them!
Because it's easier to grade...the higher you go in DOK, the more subjective it becomes! https://t.co/tBLVFbBhKT
Why do we not take the time for s's to develop this? Its value is clear...why do we continue to do the same stuff! https://t.co/Hb3rF6G7qE
Productive struggle is critical. S must be supported as independent thinkers in a risk taking culture. https://t.co/wkIkPZC1BI
A1 Too many Ts jump in to rescue Ss w answers right before Ss share their best thinking..let Ss grapple w problem/make connections
A2: just 1 tool in the toolbox
VSpellCityMayor : A1 An elem school I work with, posts for every lesson, 4 DOK. Ss are made aware of ski… https://t.co/Co4eECtxkd )
A1 An elem school I work with, posts for every lesson, 4 DOK. Ss are made aware of skill & need to build levels of proficiency
A1: Asking them questions about projects, etc, having discussions about real world applications and allowing them to explore
Hey - Dave in IA joining a bit late.
is now trending in USA, ranking 45
There's so much to the struggle and the time it can take!
Hey I wouldn't miss it! the tribe is in effect tonight
Love that phrase "go beyond the verb" powerful.
A2: We start with the foundation across the board...then differentiate for Ss as they develop their higher-order thinking
I would love to see what they created!
instead if "whats" & "how's" focus on the application process.
Write and reflect on learning during the process not just at the end of a lesson https://t.co/6WN10cMEe1
A1: deeper levels of learning occurs when students can discuss, apply, and EXPAND on that learning
Thanks for being here Greg
A2: Task predicts performance...individualize the task, expect a growth performance
A2: DoK gives Ts a framework to build their lessons around.
Hello! tech T checking in from the Volunteer state!!
A2 using consistent approach bldg wide provides structure while allowing Ts autonomy 2 b creative w/implementation
A2 Having a common lang to describe Ss learning helps create common ground, despite the subj area. Very important!
A2: Using DOK has all Ts using same questioning, Ss then are 'trained' from the start. They'll constantly be thinking that way.
A2: What will you tolerate as mastery per this target? What about you? And you? Common tolerance = consistency
It's awesome when this occurs. Frequent happening within PBL and passion projects.
both important but too much focus on product often neglects process. Must understand step 1 before expecting step 2.
Educators must be vulnerable and take risks to allow Ss to own their learning! https://t.co/dRiPVIfCHY
I agree! Love that. https://t.co/9zXUlaEfWM
vulnerability is an essential ingredient in deeper learning Doesn't exist without it.
that is a great idea! Even have them posted
Wait time.....need to be patient and offer them time......Ts get too impatient.
Agree! Ss need to experience that productive struggle. Learning occurs during the struggle, not in answer https://t.co/9d97FAPPle
A1 Too many Ts jump in to rescue Ss w answers right before Ss share their best thinking..let Ss grapple w problem/make connections
YUP! when we model that we push ourselves others will follow-culture of learning starts at the top https://t.co/44m1qmpWFC
A1: A strong culture of learning and inquiry is a foundation for depth...starts with the lead learner.
Erik! Wow! We will need to continue connecting - I want to make sure we get this right in our district!
A1: when they continue to ask questions and seek answers. Ts should show that teachers also continue to question
Can we add celebraTION to this list? Amplify the excitement for the process. https://t.co/j5Zq3uXnwH
A1) Lots of "tion" words come to mind...elaboration, creation, collaboration...If lessons lack "tion" words, you're doomed.
Unify around & unyieldingly commit to essentials, those critical to leveraging learning at the next level https://t.co/yqEtlOpvFe
I sometimes need to process info.... I hate when people try to rush me! Imagine the Ss!
Exactly! Just like we can't expect Ss to learn in same way, we can't expect Ts to teach the same way
Agree! Ss must be comfortable with the struggle. Ss must know that persistence is worth it
A2: It provides an expectation and goal for all Ts to strive for those levels of DOK but not a script handcuffing creativity.
A2. Discussions about DOK levels w/ peers during PLCs & group planning for their consistent implementation is great
A2 I like it when Ts use DOK questioning to differentiate their practice and provide students a chance to stretch
A2: Putting a focus on project and problem based learning definitely helps with this.
Why ditch the wheel? What's "wrong" with it?
It's always better when is nearby.
feedback is key in supporting growth, keeping focus
A2: As an admin, I must communicate expectations and be "tight" with them, but "loose" on how it looks in classrooms.
A1: create an environment where assessments aren't just for at risk Ss these same assessment will help the other side of the curve
Yes! Love Karen Hess...I have only watched her videos on YouTube...great insight! https://t.co/ObrA0EZZfT
yes! Get rid of the wheel of DOK. Karin Hess calls it the wheel of misinformation!
A2: Gives school community consistency of higher expectations. Not sure about others, but pushing Ss pushes me
THIS! https://t.co/tjH8bzoEt9
A1) Lots of "tion" words come to mind...elaboration, creation, collaboration...If lessons lack "tion" words, you're doomed.
A2: 1st there must be a clear understanding of Webb's DOK (or Bloom's) & how to effectively create learning tasks, questions, etc.
A2) Consistency occurs when thinking & application are cross-curricular. Holds us accountable for how WELL our Ss are learning.
Pat from West Holmes, in and out, having fun lurking and reading.
A2 DOK questions provide consistency in the way students are challenged to find, develop, and present content.
Kelli - do you know why she said this?
A2: I believe it's engaging activities and empathy from the Ss perspective that allows for consistent content DOK.
yes! Deeper learning happens in a safe environment where voices are heard
This is why Response to Instruction is vital...gets the kids on all ends of the spectrum! https://t.co/awuvNLQ5X8
Exactly! Just like we can't expect Ss to learn in same way, we can't expect Ts to teach the same way
Would you please share more about Karen Hess?
Hi all! Fortner from Southeast Ohio joining a bit late!
We have "tight/loose" documents in our district.
Thanks for being here! Huge thanks to you and for your help with the
A2 DOK is open-ended & allows for inquiry. Students learn to apply & use across content. Teachers have ability to tailor lessons.
Disappointed I missed it the first round! Absolutely!!!! Celebration = replication https://t.co/5gy2jvdjdK
Can we add celebraTION to this list? Amplify the excitement for the process. https://t.co/j5Zq3uXnwH
A1) Lots of "tion" words come to mind...elaboration, creation, collaboration...If lessons lack "tion" words, you're doomed.
exactly-higher lvl require thinking out of the box "is this right" should b changed 2 "did you prove it" https://t.co/iXAmMaIJj9
Because it's easier to grade...the higher you go in DOK, the more subjective it becomes! https://t.co/tBLVFbBhKT
Why do we not take the time for s's to develop this? Its value is clear...why do we continue to do the same stuff! https://t.co/Hb3rF6G7qE
I agree! One reason online discussions reaches the quietest learners bc they have more time to think
yes, high expectations is not enough...common understanding of high expectations is a plus
The wheel = designed by 3rd grade teacher in FL. A state dept used as part of trainings. Became cred doc. https://t.co/s8Z1eAIwns
A2: builds in scaffolding and destinations to gather data on Ss understanding. Method to get there needs to be different for Ts/Ss
I've seen the wheel - just curious on why not to use it.
A2: DOK is a solid, applicable framework to plan effective, differentiated instruction and assessment.
A2: Keeps everyone working toward a common destination but allows for flexibility in the journey.
A1: Ss reflection and class discussion. Roses and thorns perspectives. How/what could we do differently? Get Ss to self critique.
Not a problem, loved being able to help in some manner, it was a wonderful
Exactly! Kids attain DOK levels at different times...offer them up to Ss as they get more comfortable! https://t.co/dJ9qQMyVKl
Differentiation is a skill that is essential to meet Ss where they are. No one size fits all! https://t.co/jzJDPeGTcl
A2: sets goal/expectations but allows Ts to use student interests and vary across subjects. Adaptability is huge
Focuses more on verbs/action and less on getting to the depth through questions/situations...maybe? LOL https://t.co/APB2Jilv3M
Kelli - do you know why she said this?
A2: interactive and engaging activities to get different perspectives in learning
A2 DOK is like an atlas. Teachers are empowered to develop their own maps.
Collaboration & listening to students. Often best ideas come from students. DOK is depth of curriculum https://t.co/gTOlj25VJL
A2 Have common vernacular with our Ss, common vocab and question stems across the campus/district
A2: Leaders must eliminate obstacles and wasted steps for T's. If it doesn't make S's better/safer then it can wait.
Lori, getting work done but checking in on on a break.
I know that's where I failed when I taught - thought the verbs was the only thing that mattered...
YES!!!! Saying "just because" doesn't cut it anymore!
YES! We don't all take the same road to reach the same destination...just take me on your journey! https://t.co/6Zbzm8f9J3
exactly-higher lvl require thinking out of the box "is this right" should b changed 2 "did you prove it" https://t.co/iXAmMaIJj9
Because it's easier to grade...the higher you go in DOK, the more subjective it becomes! https://t.co/tBLVFbBhKT
Why do we not take the time for s's to develop this? Its value is clear...why do we continue to do the same stuff! https://t.co/Hb3rF6G7qE
And it's easier for me to conceptualize what they're learning in, say, Pre-Calc, as an ELA. Less DOK 1, plz
A2: when common language and rubrics of the various levels is consistent with Ts;
I have an expectation that other Ss are not to answer or raise hands while a student is thinking.
A2: Looking back at info from PLC at work.....DOK can start with TRUE collaboration on stan., but T get choice of how to implement
A2: DOK has to be the mission for the Building/District Improvement Plan.It has to be taught...a part of every TBT conversation.
A2 common language and alignment within teams is important. Lvls of complexity will differ by student: differentiated instruction
even more, hold us accountable for developing our staff
darn right. Will be in shortly. Lost power and just now back up
I'm only starting to understand it, but gamification seems to be working toward this
I was thinking the same thing. Many ways to get to Cleveland, Ts & Ss can choose their path. https://t.co/zXwpp93Zem
A2: Keeps everyone working toward a common destination but allows for flexibility in the journey.
Wheel focuses on H.O.T., not D.O.K. D.O.K. = context. How and why knowledge can be used.
***Q3 is coming up in one minute!
Or getting the answer right but not being able to explain or justify why...
Awesome perspective on DOK! Spot on! https://t.co/Dxky092av7
A2 DOK is like an atlas. Teachers are empowered to develop their own maps.
Hey Lori! I am the distracted student this evening.
A2 DOK can provide a framework for teaching, learning, assessing diff types of knowledge at deeper levels of cognitive complexity
Was wondering where you were - thought you were getting another work out in...
Yes! I think vertical alignment and common vocabulary is so important for student success (& teacher sanity!)
I like the verbs better myself. Both have a place, but the verbs on the wheel help me.
Tabitha here. Bartlett City Schools in TN. First time!
Q2 DOK is also about evidence. Ts agree on what evidence should be and that allows for consis. between sts and Ts.
Wow! My head is spinning...throw it out?!?! This is why I join...
A1 start w/ grade level planning around DOK & quality materials-bring your spin 2 table-adjust if needed https://t.co/lPAbo6xJpr
nope. Had to pick daughter up and let phone charge
Same here...Bloom's was beaten into us! It's fantastic and we have to use those levels of taxonomy, but...
Real focus should be on cognitive rigor - demonstrating H.O.T. and communicating D.O.K.
Ss 90% prior knowledge, Ts 10% bldg on PK and taking learning deeper.
I'll need to read your book for sure - what's the difference between HOT and DOK?
A3. Focusing on product and not process.
A2 Collectively offers a common language. Individually pushes Ts to be innovative.
How about a combination of DOK & UDL Provide student choice at multiple depths AND modalities to display acquisition of knowledge?
A2: This answer speaks to me. Ensures consistency but provides autonomy. https://t.co/TqhSdv6F19
A2: It provides an expectation and goal for all Ts to strive for those levels of DOK but not a script handcuffing creativity.
A3: focusing toooooo much on assessment scores as evidence of DOK.
exactly-show me your route & explain thinking is more powerful than "the answer is C" https://t.co/1OCy6rZ1Z7
YES! We don't all take the same road to reach the same destination...just take me on your journey! https://t.co/6Zbzm8f9J3
exactly-higher lvl require thinking out of the box "is this right" should b changed 2 "did you prove it" https://t.co/iXAmMaIJj9
Because it's easier to grade...the higher you go in DOK, the more subjective it becomes! https://t.co/tBLVFbBhKT
Why do we not take the time for s's to develop this? Its value is clear...why do we continue to do the same stuff! https://t.co/Hb3rF6G7qE
Definitely...I think we need both in unison to support kids fully. https://t.co/xUHydc05GN
I like the verbs better myself. Both have a place, but the verbs on the wheel help me.
I've heard and seen the same thing - hoping we can get to the why
THAT'S what I'm talking about Kerry!
Great point, especially in terms of consistency and autonomy.
https://t.co/43YAcUm3UZ
A2: This answer speaks to me. Ensures consistency but provides autonomy. https://t.co/TqhSdv6F19
A2: It provides an expectation and goal for all Ts to strive for those levels of DOK but not a script handcuffing creativity.
These collaborative discussions are essential for intentionally planned lessons that require students to dig deeper.
A2: Helps Ts keep a pulse on their Ss. Constant and consistent reflection, questioning, and differentiation is key!
A3 Thinking every last thing has to be at 4. Sometimes not appropriate
A3: Not providing scaffolding is a big pitfall...some students need a lot of support as you move up the DOK ladder!
A3) Neglecting the process and not recognizing it as evidentiary of DOK. Outcomes aren't everything. https://t.co/Mnf45NNyjn
A3: Achieving the levels of DOK is not a checklist. Goal should be authenticity.
Also, believing that DOK is a program or curriculum rather than a framework. It's not something you can buy at Lakeshore!
Thats my team! Keeping up on the goals!
My Ss always want to jump to the end.....not go through process.....esp planning.
A3: Ts rotely using DOK as a "program" , maybe just using the same question stems/verbs.
Time to play catch up :-)
the journey is different for all-important thing is all get there-route & time depends on each S https://t.co/gx5Ct7NjNW
Exactly! Kids attain DOK levels at different times...offer them up to Ss as they get more comfortable! https://t.co/dJ9qQMyVKl
Differentiation is a skill that is essential to meet Ss where they are. No one size fits all! https://t.co/jzJDPeGTcl
A3: attempting to focus on too much too quickly
Oh my goodness...this chat is on FIRE!!!!! (Alicia Keys tune in my head)
A3: Helping others in the school community (esp. parents) adopt DOK thinking.
Hi crew! Just dropped in for a bit. Lurking & learning 2night! Awesome questions so far ✨👌🏾
Absolutely! We need to celebrate the process for our kiddos who make attempts at higher DOK levels! https://t.co/diXTb2i1Ki
A3) Neglecting the process and not recognizing it as evidentiary of DOK. Outcomes aren't everything. https://t.co/Mnf45NNyjn
A3: DOK doesn't communicate with Maslows. Scripted Ts need to really work on observations
A3) Creating a "right and wrong" assessment to measure Ss DOK. Need to help develop critical thinking and application.
This is why we used the combo in the Hess Cognitive Rigor Matrix. Showed how meeting Blooms doesn't always mean DoK
yes- this can also serve as formative assessment
Talking DOK with moderated by and ! Hop on in and learn! I sure am. !
I am not familiar either. Learning as I chat. LOL
I'm studying and researching and I am not even taking a class? Lol
I like this idea of dok levels-would be awesome for PLCs to work through student goals & outcomes together https://t.co/HiIw24WoQS
A2 DOK is like an atlas. Teachers are empowered to develop their own maps.
A3: Not providing entry points for all learners- focusing too much on the end result and not the learning throughout.
A3 - Focusing on the process and considering the sources. Abe Lincoln once said you can't trust everything you read on the net
Q3 pitfall=assuming everything has to go to a DOK 4. Sometimes the standard is just a 2
YES! This makes sense! And, a huge reason for change!
A2: Ts must consistently communicate with other Ts to see where Ss are in every subject to adjust instruction.
Q3 careful not to lose the mastery of learning objective...it's about the process
A3: If we are changing the learning for S's then we MUST change it for T's. No more one-sized PD for those closest to S's.
A3 Like many things, if capacity has NOT been built to thrive in a school, DOK will flounder in isolation, creating more inequity.
Ss need to demonstrate and communicate learning. That's cognitive rigor = H.O.T. / D.O.K.
Common language builds from one grade level to the next
A2: In my experience, Ts model processing b/c DOK isn’t easy. It supports consistency as we meet in PLCs to plan with purpose.
exactly why we build in block scheduling to ensure Ts have time
Hello, my beautiful friend! https://t.co/Ge5UwiwiIA
Hi crew! Just dropped in for a bit. Lurking & learning 2night! Awesome questions so far ✨👌🏾
Kevin, HS English from Highland. Bacon Lover. Not a Pokemon player. Trying to get to join the iron brunch
Excellent! Thank you for sharing. Great visual!
Mark from your neighbor west- DOK? If all learning starts with design questions that leads to depth...Ss need to Q.
A3: Don't go too far too fast; Ss need to know what they're talking about b4 they can do anything else with it.
woohoo! Hi Marlena! The whole gang's here! :)
PREACH IT!!
https://t.co/VtRXoZ2UMH
A3: If we are changing the learning for S's then we MUST change it for T's. No more one-sized PD for those closest to S's.
A2: Give them the tools and they will build our future.
A3: A3: Ts need to have a solid understanding of the verbs. However, we need to be flexible & consider Ss interpretation.
Formative assessment and record for student to show growth over time
Fear of taking risks & maintaining realistic expectations. Follow curricular practices rooted in research https://t.co/FaPY6Ul8yX
You are an overachiever like me!!!!!! :)
A3: Dangers? Ts realizing they've been measuring DOK1 too often.
A3: Fail Forward...Honor the process and do right by S's and colleagues.
I agree - the goal is NOT for every lesson to get to 4.
A3: Ts need to have a solid understanding of the verbs. However, we need to be flexible & consider Ss interpretation.
A3 sometimes Ts quickly go to low level questioning and don't provide wait time or the framework for Ss to go deep enough
A3: Need to learn and understand what depth of knowledge is first. Be careful not to do too much too quick.
exactly-this needs 2b school wide-ensure equity for all Ss to reach goal-not a moving target each year https://t.co/T503dMXeg1
A2: when common language and rubrics of the various levels is consistent with Ts;
A3- I also feel traditional tests should be change to have more of a "built in" journey. Less questions/more thought out process
A3: Building DOK "activities" and getting so tied down to it that we forget to consider individual needs and scaffolding.
I agree! I am learning a lot even though I keep losing my connection. https://t.co/VcXpnEWCxu
Oh my goodness...this chat is on FIRE!!!!! (Alicia Keys tune in my head)
LOL, Its all good this is a great place to learn and stay ahead of the game with personalized PD
A3 We have to be cognizant that we use DOK appropriately with each learner. Adjust approach based on student.
Totally agree that through PLC process this complexity can be sorted out by group/better implementation https://t.co/epoB1RRmPJ
A2: In my experience, Ts model processing b/c DOK isn’t easy. It supports consistency as we meet in PLCs to plan with purpose.
A1: Giving them a variety of ?'s that demand responses with more thinking/depth. More challenging passages. Meticulous rubrics
So many excellent leaders in Always learning something!
Q3 lessons have to be designed with DOK questions/activities embedded throughout.
A3: Ss ownership with DOK selfasses and share where they are we shouldn't always expect a DOK 4 - ownership is important
Game recognizes game. Put best of the best together and this is what you get. Leaders must sell this PD to others.
A3: trying to access too much too fast...baby step as to not overwhelm Ss
Yep. It's too easy to get bogged down in it
not enough enough evidence processing with DOK 1.
YES! Ditch one-stop learning for teachers! Activity-based PD = zero impact
Also a North Columbus Meteor! Don't forget that helpful piece of info. https://t.co/S1eaMCRwNI
Kevin, HS English from Highland. Bacon Lover. Not a Pokemon player. Trying to get to join the iron brunch
Depth of Knowledge. Basically, each skill has multiple levels of proficiency in understanding & applying https://t.co/uoYvqp5hpZ
Student interpretation......amazing what they are thinking sometimes......completely different!
A3. Jumping ahead too quickly. Lower levels of DOK can serve as learning targets/scaffolds! https://t.co/ajlB4CgW99
A3: failing to provide wait time for HOQs. Sometimes we can jump the gun and steal a great opp for Ss to express their genius.
A3 Not preparing your Ts and Ss for the journey. Ls and teacher leaders need to provide support in order to get the best results.
A3: it's slightly overwhelming when trying to explain to teachers implementing multiple techniques and takes time to get used to.
My teachers appreciated looking at their own rigor/relevance using Hess. Thanks ! https://t.co/w9B9fykggy
This is why we used the combo in the Hess Cognitive Rigor Matrix. Showed how meeting Blooms doesn't always mean DoK
I love this! Especially when culture/tech today provides "info" instantaneous. We need to teach a love of the process!
Yes, and take advantage of those teachable moments!!!! https://t.co/ZDtPAuWBQH
Write and reflect on learning during the process not just at the end of a lesson https://t.co/6WN10cMEe1
A1: deeper levels of learning occurs when students can discuss, apply, and EXPAND on that learning
A3 lacking variety in the level of questions asked !!!! Differentiation....
A3 We must keep in mind when using DOK to design & facilitate lessons the diff between content complexity & content difficulty
SO true! Scaffold and support without watering down, but to move forward in thinking.
A1: Also, using DOK charts when designing and revising assessments. Trying to ensure majority of 2/3 level, with 4's mixed in
A3: dismissing level 1-3 and trying to alwys assess @ Lv. 4; not looking critically @ the task we ask Ss to demonstrate learning
A3: assuming the teacher needs to create / develop all the questions.
A3: Low level, DOK 1 = easy to measure, requires less time. Ts need support n designing DOK2-3 opps for Ss.
I believe our grading system is archaic and needs a serious overhaul.
YES...kids can do this...sometimes better than we can... https://t.co/3fWFERbPqy
A3: assuming the teacher needs to create / develop all the questions.
. and continuing to rely on antiquated report cards to monitor student progress
Agreed, not only do we need support but we also need some time to work on these things
A3: forgetting the process, students can jump too far w/o gaining the understanding
I messed up when I was teaching by over-using Bloom's in the wrong way...
A3 Also think common planning time crucial to implement and maintain capacity of DOK.
A3) Don't forget to provide OPPORTUNITY for processing.
A2b: Hess’ Cognitive Rigor Matrix helps. DOK isn’t just a hierarchy! Don’t focus on the “verb”! https://t.co/9RbwxxSwU8
that's where choice comes in. teaching Ss how to make that choice is probably the most powerful part of the process!
Plz relay the info to my school- we start T mtgs next week (sit and get) and I'm dreading the thought of mtgs
***Q4 is coming up in one minute!
A3 model how to go in depth in questioning and finding evidence to support.
You bet! Sometimes, we just need to close our mouths and open our ears...kids will continue to amaze us! https://t.co/kX72Fsn8o7
A3: failing to provide wait time for HOQs. Sometimes we can jump the gun and steal a great opp for Ss to express their genius.
I know I did as well...getting them to "evaluate" or "create"--thought it was sufficient. https://t.co/oUlRRqHaL1
I messed up when I was teaching by over-using Bloom's in the wrong way...
It's all about lesson design. Thinking with the end in mind. Struggle is important to DOK...
A2: using DOK & dept rigor matrix in designing assessments. Each level has to be involved in the process https://t.co/1wJOkWNSfr
Transparency at its best. Love me some . https://t.co/RnAqhHy2hE
I messed up when I was teaching by over-using Bloom's in the wrong way...
they very nicely put pokestops with workout stations at the community park most I've seen them used
A3: believing that "lower" levels are unimportant. Ss need foundational basics to move deeper
The value of common planning cannot be overlooked or under appreciated!!
A3: It's all about looking at the learner, not the test. Differentiation can fall by the wayside in the face of testing.
agree record of growth is very helpful to differentiate lessons and catching issues w/ Ss proactively
It's definitely a party now! So many awesome leaders and EduHeroes!
Erik...soooooo glad you are here tonight!
hmmm? either that or I have a lot of free time? :)
Giving Ss choice and voice to demonstrate their learning is important at all grade levels https://t.co/VBKqAgxtiN
How about a combination of DOK & UDL Provide student choice at multiple depths AND modalities to display acquisition of knowledge?
like wearing sneakers w/ a tuxedo. Must give T's best chance to succeed. Can't confuse activity w/ accomplishment.
Ohio could do wonders for all Ss' learning by focusing on authentic grading versus AIR, OTES, etc. https://t.co/Je8HT7qIQW
I believe our grading system is archaic and needs a serious overhaul.
Leaders, take note. Do the same for exceptional teachers :) https://t.co/Jo8ce9wz2n
You bet! Sometimes, we just need to close our mouths and open our ears...kids will continue to amaze us! https://t.co/kX72Fsn8o7
A3: failing to provide wait time for HOQs. Sometimes we can jump the gun and steal a great opp for Ss to express their genius.
A3 small group- individual- exploratory-choice
Remember to practice the Rule of - follow five leaders to build your PLN - one of them needs to be
they have their own language!
Thank you for this, how can we get the state to buy into this, my current masters class is focusing on this
A4: Harder is building a higher wall...complexity is developing effective ways to get over it!
Terrific reminder!
https://t.co/h59QJZL4FL
Remember to practice the Rule of - follow five leaders to build your PLN - one of them needs to be
A3: social emotional aspects - a year should include all learning
it's so powerful!!! teaching them to make the right choices helps them understand their metacognitive strengths.
I couldn't agree more!! PLCs can be a key to student achievement and teacher retention!
. 1st time joining and love the responses. Great chat!!
Jumping in for a little bit from !
A4: complexity is about process and using more skills concurrently. Important to tie in related skills to deepen understanding
A3: knowing ur students AND clear understanding of lvls of complexity- lvl 4 (DOKcomplexity)CANT b measured w paper/pencil 'test'
and that's what makes you a gamechanger. Be the biggest cheerleader. GO, FIGHT, WIN!
Q4 complexity is thinking. Teaching=thinking.
I blame for getting me off track.......
A4: amazing Q. Complex implies different angles of analyzation. Harder implies "gotcha". Research vs Trivia.
A3 common understanding & moving beyond verbs- lesson/unit/text can have multiple levels-don't rush it https://t.co/id5coElzP3
yeah, you can only pull that off if you're an NBA first round draft pick.
A3: You have to know your students! If you don't build relationships first you aren't going get to DOK
Never been to UT. Is it nice this time of year?
A4: Not harder but content should have real world connections, showing how practical applications are complex.
Q4. Ss are thinking all the time. If you want them to think deeper, it's up to us to create the environment
A3 Don't let it become superficial. Take time to reflect. Don't lose sight of the Ss needs as you go.
A4: Harder is subjective. Complexity ensures personalization of Ss needs & abilities w/in the curriculum. https://t.co/eY7fmAyvye
A4: Harder - goal seems to be "gotchya"; complexity - goal seems to get students thinking more in depth and on multiple levels
A4 When I think complexity I think layers. First requires understanding, in order to be understood.
A4: Harder can be as simple as giving more questions (weak sauce). Complex Qs provide more depth, meaning, and life-application.
A4)Learning 50 vocab words in a week is hard, applying 2-3 words to a new situation causes complexity-->analysis, synthesis, etc
Thanks for being here! keeps getting better and better each week!
A4: More about process rather than result.
Sending good vibes to & as they are co-moderating right now!
A4: complexity -
Multiple entry points and multiple exit points for Ss.
This is one reason why PBL is so relevant to today's learning
A3: Not giving Ts enough time & support to process & understand DOK before implementation.
A4 complexity is about problem solving & developing a strategy. Ss are often motivated by complexity and discouraged w/difficulty
Need some resources for DOK
Who has links?
A4: Complexity builds step by step....exploring new knowledge/extending thinking....hard requires a leap from one step to the next
A3: Collaborate while setting ego aside. Get with colleagues and give your work an honest run. If you don't, DOK suffers A TON
exactly-need to have a strong pedagogical belief to build differing techniques on-go slow 2 go fast https://t.co/W1uELJFxZt
A3: it's slightly overwhelming when trying to explain to teachers implementing multiple techniques and takes time to get used to.
Beautiful! Today was sunny 88 degrees and perfect morning temps for walking my dog- what more could I ask for?
BAM! I agree - relationships matter if you want to go deep!
Learning a ton from lurking tonight! Thanks all
A4: Tough to answer n 140. Complexity requires focus on the verbs: identify, compare, interpret, critique
Too often "harder" is just more work; instead of trying to get students to look through a different lens/application
A4: I feel like difficult frustrates Ss, Complex is more likely to challenge and engage
Ok I've gotta go....just got to St. Louis! Have a great chat and see you next week!
A4: complexity is about the process to achieve a goal rather than a measure of difficulty
student choice is extremely important - they reason they are inspired to come back each day
A4. Complexity...what can the students DO with the knowledge once acquired? What can they create? Change? https://t.co/IOF6i7gPXw
A4: Difficulty does not necessarily equal complexity.
stopped working on my vert a while ago. Now I'm working on broadening my horizons.
Had a class about this spring semester. Does all students a disservice. Learned so much from that prof. https://t.co/uP9nPkUY6r
Ohio could do wonders for all Ss' learning by focusing on authentic grading versus AIR, OTES, etc. https://t.co/Je8HT7qIQW
I believe our grading system is archaic and needs a serious overhaul.
yes...thank you for adding this!
WHAT?!? Such a bold statement but so true! Students are not numbers or test scores.
A4 harder means more time more work. Complexity can lead to deeper understanding and more thoughtful answers
A4 complex thinking can come from a simple question; can't it?
A4 Complexity is thinking, reflecting. Making connections to arrive at deeper learning.
A4: harder is quantity. Complexity is quality...and real world application of learning
A4: "Difficult" is relative - what is for one S might not be for another. Complexity is a state of richness and is not subjective
a4: complexity has depth & layers to the task.
Sadly, in this case we are talking old school kicks. Time to change the game. You ready?
When it's harder the scaffolding has not been done correctly. Complexity builds on previous understanding and knowledge!
Tonight's topic is fascinating: it's a new learning opportunity. Hope all's well with the crew!
I am right there with you learning...this isn't easy stuff by any means!
Tchg. is complex work. Decision making throughout the lesson, day, etc. Complexity is going deeper; asking the "Why?" question.
A4: It's all about the process. Asking Ss to think deeply doesn't necessarily mean "harder".
I hear you here! I feel like I have to do some reading before I can chime in. Always learning! https://t.co/CkfDUQS3N4
Learning a ton from lurking tonight! Thanks all
A4: Metacognition is essential for complexity, are we focused on thinking & understanding -or checking off things to get an answer?
A4: Harder = lack of accessibility. Complexity = can be achieved with effort, strategies, & scaffolding
Q4 Complexity requires Ss to problem solve multi-step learning task, critically think, be creative, & justify/know the why.
A4: Productive struggle is the key!
A4 DOK is about processing & levels of thinking req'd to answer task. Synthesize -vs- recall (Number of steps does not = levels)
BOOM! love how you get it....EVERY TIME!
A4: I think of complexity and scaffolding vs. Harder and frustrating
1 complex question is often more meaningful than 10 lower level ones!
A4: Harder often means MORE work whereas complexity means applying, evaluating, and analyzing
This is so important...that's where those life skills of resilience and perseverance come into play! https://t.co/09iWlmhSgB
A4: Productive struggle is the key!
A3 Perhaps another pitfall to using DOK is not involving Ss in its use in the learning process & in creating rubrics for learning?
Going to back after the fact tonight and engage people on here, much like discussed Monday ~ not an echo chamber
Glad to have you here, Dennis! It was awesome meeting up with you earlier this summer!
A4: harder to me means it takes longer and is not fun, complexity means it takes as long as it takes and you enjoy the work.
A4 harder often means more-Complexity about depth-find quality materials allowing multiple access points https://t.co/TholntYdSA
Perfectly said! Complex requires understanding the process to get to the result, not just difficulty of question.
A4: Ss need to be able to use critical thinking skills & not be given busy work. Ts need to use different learning strategies
Great point about complexity and deeper understanding!!
projects! Solving a real school issue with math or science knowledge
A4 complexity starts involving cross curricular connections, generalizations.
Great thinking! https://t.co/mnXjWpGoV2
A4: harder to me means it takes longer and is not fun, complexity means it takes as long as it takes and you enjoy the work.
***Q5 is coming up in one minute!
for sure -- and to be able to apply it to a real world problem! Phew! It's hard to be a student these days
Great explanation of the difference!
I have to read this and study over and over...it's deep stuff!
https://t.co/engLaqBj1t
Great point about complexity and deeper understanding!!
So can "harder". We need to get Ss to see past the "harder" and accept the challenge of "complex".
Complex = rich layers, interdependent ideas that align with purpose. Harder doesn't match instructional intent/isn't the point.
Great visual! Love the practical application, it fits my personal style of learning! Thanks!
Sorry I just got in from the pool.
When it's hard it's more of a lack of understanding. Complexity draws from seeing the problem in a new way and moving forward
Complexity is multi-faceted.
Nice! Agree. The process needs to involve Ss https://t.co/7uqwACFttb
A4: It's all about the process. Asking Ss to think deeply doesn't necessarily mean "harder".
A4: hard: which countries were part of the allied and axis forces? Complex: why did the axis countries form?
A4: kids need to be released to enjoy learning at what ever lever of DOK they r ready to experience-us as facilitators oflearning
hmmm? Explain more please.
right! A complex question will take a more rigorous process on the Ss end than a "hard" question!
A4:.Harder= degree Complexity = depth. It's like a team looking good on paper vs playing well together. Give me complex all day.
Lolol. I love that guy, btw
I'd say using the chart in front of me that includes both is a great start :-)
a must to in love student
A4: ZPD is the difference. Difficult is out of reach. Complex is taking an initial understanding 2 deeper levels of knowing
Complexity-purposeful and intentional rigor-thnkg,strategy devlpmnt, rsk taking and productive struggle at forefront of lrng
Hands-on authentic learning is what I try to provide for my Ss but often feel the pressure of time--ugh!
Boom! Checking off to get answer brings back Industrial Age of Education.We don't need more rows of desks https://t.co/FKX9YWNi9n
A4: Metacognition is essential for complexity, are we focused on thinking & understanding -or checking off things to get an answer?
Complex=Connecting the dots in more than one way. Hard=effort to solve or understand a concept
A4 How this: DOK is only DIFFICULT, when the T is in charge; DOK is successful in a complex ways when Ss lead & are invested.
A4 complexity is about time & multiple applications-harder is just more regardless of quality
A5. What would motivate Ts to plan/discuss/coordinate plans in a PLC to get to this level of thought?
Being EcLeCtic in our approach will give more entry points to learning. No ONE method is best..a little of all best practice.
Must pay attention to your shoe game. PD is the same thing. It's all wrong if the foundation is off.
A4 DOK gets meaningful tied to a real skill. Pick a std & try to break it to 4 DOKs with measures & techniques for each level!
So is IKEA furniture hard or complex? Either way, it takes me quite a bit to build something from there...
Ts can challenge their perceptions, given the opportunity even the learners who struggle will impress
Love this analogy!!! I'm stealing it!!!
A4 How's this?
DOK is only DIFFICULT, when the T is in charge; DOK is successful in a complex ways when Ss lead & are invested.
chats are often moving so quickly & there is so much, we simply like/agree versus collaborate/challenge
A5: as Ss "thought actions" get more complex, so will the questions that they answer/ develop
Reminds me of the benefits of taking an AP class even if a Ss doesn't score high on the test. https://t.co/ZiLg0mHsfo
1 complex question is often more meaningful than 10 lower level ones!
Agreed. I think complexity at the appropriate levels can develop grit and metacognition skills.
A4 Complexity refers to the content; difficulty is a descriptor of the process of acquiring the content
Strong comparison !
https://t.co/2W15QS747j
Reminds me of the benefits of taking an AP class even if a Ss doesn't score high on the test. https://t.co/ZiLg0mHsfo
1 complex question is often more meaningful than 10 lower level ones!
changing my lens effective tonight. Creating side-bars in the hopes of growing. A must.
A5: Intentional work when making & revising assessments, including analysis of each question using a REALLY awesome chart I have
I hear you! Especially if lacking support from admin team or vision does not align to district-wide 'pacing'
I thought it came from you! I found it and saved it for this chat! It is such a great explanation. https://t.co/ZrIYhuTvC3
HAHA Bethany!!! That's actually a slide from one of my presentations!!! :D
A5: It's all about Ss DOK refinement.
exactly it about the challenges ss desire not creating impossible tasks. Better yet, Let them create the tasks!
A4: instructional- complexity, purpose, Ss questioning frustrational- harder, ss lack the schema, doesn't have a clear end goal
A4: Harder is trying to stump Ss. Complexity is providing the layers and modeling there is usually more than 1 way to get there.
A5: types of action words can assist in driving DOK. There's a huge difference in listing and designing ingredients to a recipe
is trending third, y'all!
A5 Use Bloom's verbs but think about the level of thinking when forming questions. I have both visuals hanging next to my desk.
Q5 verbs=action; DOK questions should prompt the action.
A5: thinking is an active process. The verbs help clarify the type of thinking. DOK identifies the level of thinking.
A4. And with that, he's dropped the mic. Nicely done, Doc. https://t.co/Vyt3HkzFMS
A4: Harder is building a higher wall...complexity is developing effective ways to get over it!
A4 Harder is expecting students to perform what they are not adequately prepared for. Complexity is knowing your students needs.
Thanks Neil; it was a thrill to meet F2F in SC w/! I learn so much from you all.
Couldn't agree more. Been off of the chats lately because they are redundant. No challenge!!
A5: scaffolding will allow both thoughts/actions (verbs) and questions (level/type) to develop into higher level thinking
Don't kill messenger- Many Ts like idea of deeper ?, PBL, etc. but feel pressure to "cover curriculum" or else What say ye?
yep. That's where the grit/growth mindset work comes into play. And my hashtag for the year
always looking at how to make things better... So this is awesome... Now what? What's next? Love it!
Yup! I love how has so many of my in it tonight -- I'm learning a ton https://t.co/9gq8pFlhGL
A4: harder is quantity. Complexity is quality...and real world application of learning
This chat is on FIRE! I literally CANNOT keep up. Compromise, reading every other tweet.
A5: focus on DOK & Blooms verbs naturally fall into place. Focus on the verbs & we may miss an opportunity to go deeper.
A5: This graphic has been very helpful in this move to combine DOK and Bloom's...with apps to help! https://t.co/32gjRdmmzD
Don't forget DOK is not only about questions. It's also about levels of thinking
A5: Hess Cognitive Rigor Matrix is a good start for new learners to these concepts.
Yep. One of the ideas was less questions, spread out further, along with a few other things
Is everybody familiar with the Blooms Digital Tax. graphic?
A5: I really have no idea how to answer this so I'm just going to sit back and lurk ;)
A5: Asking the right questions and allowing students to answer and problem solve. When they can tell us, write it, they got it!
I know! I have Tweetdeck vertigo! https://t.co/MeAQAUL6bo
This chat is on FIRE! I literally CANNOT keep up. Compromise, reading every other tweet.
thank you, Sara! I feel the same way .
This is great! Using blooms to identify what you want Ss to do, while coordinating what depth you want to see
Why can't the two be integrated?
A5: Bloom's is the practice plan for your team. DOK are the audibles & in-game shifts that are made based on scenarios presented.
A5 the verbs serve a purpose to build understanding & help create question stems. DOK takes it deeper for Ss and Ts.
Complex tastes are layers- complex learning will layer so that application is across multiple disciplines
It's important. To use the cognitive rigor matrix too. It's the map for getting to those levels with sts
yep - and reading through all these tweets in the hashtag will take me the rest of the night! Ha!
NICE chart. Way cooler than mine :-)
how about a question as a response to a statement or a problem or and idea?
A5: DOK focuses on the complexity of thinking required to complete learning tasks successfully. Blooms & DOK matrix is a resource
Nice point. The verb is just one part of the question.
A5: I'm still learning! Thanks for sharing resources!
This! https://t.co/GUiBOT7Gff
A4: harder to me means it takes longer and is not fun, complexity means it takes as long as it takes and you enjoy the work.
A5: How about using Bloom's verbs to help form DoK ?s?
In a chat abt DOK,we could challenge thinking & go bit deeper by moving ppl out of comfort zone
lots of possible ideas. People to help propel, and/or playing devil's advocate
A5: Bloom's is not necessarily a "go-to" for DOK. There can be different complexities to each level. https://t.co/6by0FJUUzp
Such a great chat tonight. Thanks to and for their hospitality and thoughtfulness. You are the best!
or post an idea you want to implement and ask for questions to further the idea?
***Q6 is coming up in one minute!
Yes. And we need to be clear with our expectations. Using Tt jargon should be accompanied by clear connective language
Thanks for being here, Brian!
Can- I'm just saying that it takes more time than just "teaching" I'm echoing voices I hear not my philosophy :)
Thank you for joining! Neil is awesome, and I am thankful he invited me to do this! https://t.co/knY5lLJkzC
Such a great chat tonight. Thanks to and for their hospitality and thoughtfulness. You are the best!
we need to have an edcamp on DOK only!
And we can use the verb from "evaluation" & still write a "knowledge" level question if we're not careful.
Yep, like how do we live in 2/3 but visit 4 more often and make out students comfortable there
, I agree...the verbs help me develop questions, but the DOK defiantly challenges the complexity of them.
A5: Have to add...some educators do not understand what rigor "looks" like so they need to explore this more in depth. Model.
DOK kind of reminds me of our factual/conceptual/debatable questions in IB-MYP Units. BLOOMs are like the ATLs.
Great point! https://t.co/ly8eal56wV
A5: Have to add...some educators do not understand what rigor "looks" like so they need to explore this more in depth. Model.
Awesome! Always a soft space in my heart for my from Texas!
Yep. Let students know where you want them to be and how they can get there in vocab they can understand
I view Blooms as verbs for the DOK questions you want to ask.
A5: the wording of questions--the verbiage--is vital to increasing dok and in turn creating more rigorous content
A5: Blooms has been pushed to the side. Still needed in classrooms.
Good point with the multiple disciplines! https://t.co/SU6SuZX6lk
Complex tastes are layers- complex learning will layer so that application is across multiple disciplines
thank you for collecting such brilliant minds. The work you put in is MUCH appreciated.
Oh I know!!!!! :) NO worries.....
Didn't someone do that here once? I can't remember who!
gotta be careful Twitter is the land of rainbows and smiles for educators! :)
The teachers engage the students to BE the verbs! Creating, Questioning, reaching, teaching!
Unbelieveable conversations from some amazing educators! https://t.co/QiEjLGMFDQ
thank you for collecting such brilliant minds. The work you put in is MUCH appreciated.
Rigor = challenging, engaging, encouraging.
You are welcome, Paul! Can't wait to get the archive from on this one!
Ts need to work at depth of their own thinking- dig deeper...peal back the onion
you mean chat within the chat?
A6: practice practice practice. Developing good ?'s is not easy.
A6 sitting down w/ curriculum we have-looking how 2 hit multiple DOK levels-provide scaffold 4 Ss https://t.co/gB0d7aG5jt
A7, How to write/ask/scaffold/develop questions.
W6 how to effectively write DOK questions.
lol! Chicken parm you taste so good.
A6: I think would agree that we need coaching to be effective with DOK.
Wonderful questions to spur our reflections and learning forward.
A6: collaboration. Many silos still exist. Limiting our successes as a team to provide needed growth. Together we accomplish more
Jumping into a little late, but excited to be here!
A6: How to teach Ss to write, scaffold, ask/develop questions.
A6 an edcamp, DOK on video, watch Karin Hess on u tube
A6: Looking at essential skills and considering multiple levels to scaffold all kids in their DOK.
Q6: Targeted learning like what we are doing now. Eliminate one-sized PD. SHOW me how the learning can be applied don't tell me.
A5: Just as we do w/Ss, start where Ts are. Most are comfortable with Blooms. Start there and blend with DOK.
I am all over this! Definite passion area of mine is coaching!
A6 Probably the same idea as DOK. All teachers are probably at a differential level with it and need different training
I see DOK as a cognitive process used and Blooms as the knowledge dimension, but I know that I am still learning.... A5
A6- ProDev as often as you can. Try learning like a student in a Traditional some with traditional tools - observe the barriers..
Socratic seminar, reader's workshop and writer's workshop
A6) Being vulnerable here. Like any wise leader, I keep a PLN that is wiser than me. (Doesn't mean I get to neglect my pursuit)
Q6 start with common understanding of what DOK is -are we on same page as school/dist?
A6: not sure it's PD as much as TOT for the Ts & collaboration time. I LOVE sitting w/ & breaking down tests in pieces
A6 cont. then decide if you would want to learn like that and how the heck you could stay engaged...
A6: we need more open-ended questions that challenge and push thinking
A6: Through kid talks, personalize DOK for kids who need intensive support. They can go deep, and we need cater DOK for them.
And to be willing to put in the work to get themselves AND their students do the peeling! https://t.co/jzcJUv7jWC
Ts need to work at depth of their own thinking- dig deeper...peal back the onion
A6 Ts collaboratively create and evaluate DOK Qs using common expectations that can be shared with Ss
A6b) That's my secret weapon!
Straight fire. A go-to for my professional development. Plan to share loudly too.
A6 organized our staff to go observe each other. Needs to be repeated, lots to gain
A6: modeling. PD should be done using DOK with other topics, edtech, differentiation, literacy, etc.
Thanks for being a part of the amazing tonight!
A6 It's been mentioned for the other questions as well but I think PLCs and PLNs can be really powerful professional learning
When I grow frustrated w/ the echo chamber, I make an effort to pose more questions & "listen".
I know...I want to rename it...what shall we call it? :) https://t.co/T4FWTRBeBP
I hate the word "rigor" It makes me think of dead people Just sayin' I get it and know debate but... :)
The challenge with all of this is that Ss do not come to the table with the experiences upon which to build learning
You need time with it. You need time learning how the 'vocab' matches with your style. Learn by doing
join me on Family Feud. We would do well together.
Q6 intro the basics and then support through the year with samples of what it looks like. Modeled with sts
Hey! Great to see you here as well! Great moderating last night! I enjoyed learning!
A6: know our Ss and meet them where they are, then scaffold from there to reach higher level thinking
A6:Slow & steady; move from what Ts know/do w/ Bloom to DOK basics & scaffold; allow practice & feedback; change in culture
that's a good start but only 1/4 Ss might benefit
Amen!!! https://t.co/zva8F7Qbps
agree. Rigor is an overused term. We need to understand what it means and make the transfer in classrooms.
A6: DOK is one of those topics that is not going to be sufficiently covered in a single 45-minute session. Throughout the year!
A6 Deconstructing the standards, how to effectively write questions, collaboration during PLCs to create learning tasks
Gotta take off a little early. Bedtime 4 the kiddos. Thx 4 letting me learn w/ all of you. Gr8 job & .
Actually had perfect term instead of "rigor" but I'm not positive that I'd tell you correctly
A6: Ask Ts to take greater risks in the classroom and collaborate with "innovation"
A6: good feedback from others. Peers,admin, students.
YES...continual conversations. https://t.co/uLQGQEBzTg
A6: DOK is one of those topics that is not going to be sufficiently covered in a single 45-minute session. Throughout the year!
A6 Visiting one another's classrooms & TIME together to think of & form those juicy questions
A6: scaffolded -look at curriculum & find DOK Qs to support learning. How to create lessons around those Qs w/appropriate tools.
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a good question should manifest more questions!
Q5: Call it cognitive rigor & rephrase performance objectives into good questions that ask students to show AND tell.
A6: Time to explore and understand, support during implementation, and plenty of opportunities to collaborate.
A6: Coaching! Collaboration! Support! These all come from trust & relationships though. Must build that first!
Thanks for learning with us during tonight's ! Huge thanks to for co-moderating with me!
think its much more complex than 1 word-why we end up with debates about what it means https://t.co/yTHmzu8X6u
I know...I want to rename it...what shall we call it? :) https://t.co/T4FWTRBeBP
I hate the word "rigor" It makes me think of dead people Just sayin' I get it and know debate but... :)
A6: Ts need to see it being done by others in the real world to translate to their own classes, their own Ss
A6: Observe other Ts and write down only the questions you hear in their classroom-then collaborate/reflect questions asked
absolutely. But like Craig noted, we get so caught up in keeping up we lose our focus on that
Time to change the game, Emily. Round up your colleagues and bang the drum.
A6: Collaborative PLCs and PLNs are the key to PD. Getting insights into different perspectives is the way to challenge each other
Thanks for jumping in, Brother! Play a little before bedtime with the kids!
I say, add in some "relevance" and the rigor will follow :) https://t.co/ihpsSZ3JWi
agree. Rigor is an overused term. We need to understand what it means and make the transfer in classrooms.
Wow! Huge thanks to Erik for being here and sharing his insights!
A6- what about visiting nearby districts?
thanks to both. one of the better recently
Wow!! and nailed tonight. Thankful to learn from you!
and more ideas, and then we are better at our craft, our passion.
A6: Twitter chats as these that are relevant, intentional, and challenging are the best PD for innovative educators!
A5: I believe both create an environment of St ownership of learning and relies on educators to allow Ss to own learning
A6: DOK is essential - I often wonder how well we have prepared students socially and emotionally to connect w the rigor of DOK
I've been doing a lot of coaching & presentations on coaching lately! Love learning and sharing on this!
A6: Explain DoK, give example of it in use, let Ts practice forming DoK ?s.
A5: blooms & DOK = heavy focus on language. Imp 2keep in mind ELLs & others who r learning both Lang & content. Rigor wScaffolds!
Use DOK in the classroom and then have someone to coach Ts in effective use.
Huge shout-out to Bethany for pushing me to think about an instructional topic like DOK!
Great job all! Thanks for the learning!
Thanks to and folks for great chat! Missed last Q - angry 5 month old!
Yes! I think collegial observations and juicy debriefs are really valuable and underused
Thank you and for moderating the chat! Awesome topic!
Thanks for being a part of the chat, Allie!
