#ukedchat Archive
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Thursday December 15, 2016
3:00 PM EST
_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:00 PM EST
*Highlights
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UKEdSch
Dec 15 @ 3:00 PM EST
It's 8pm - Time for
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Session 333: Teaching grammar effectively - 6 questions to follow Q1., Q2., Q3 etc. Reply with A1., A2., etc..
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:00 PM EST
It's 8pm - Time for
#UKEdChat
Session 333: Teaching grammar effectively - 6 questions to follow Q1., Q2., Q3 etc. Reply with A1., A2., etc..
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:01 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q1. Let's start with definitions → What do we actually mean by grammar?
UKEdSch
Dec 15 @ 3:01 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q1. Let's start with definitions → What do we actually mean by grammar?
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:02 PM EST
Good man 😇
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_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:00 PM EST
*Highlights
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Emmabyn
Dec 15 @ 3:02 PM EST
they components of language which enable us to communicate with clarity, purpose and effect
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:02 PM EST
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:04 PM EST
Great response - mastery over grammar is a great skill
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SusanSEnglish
Dec 15 @ 3:05 PM EST
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Sorry despite reminder I forgot the #
SusanSEnglish
Dec 15 @ 3:03 PM EST
With difficulty. Embed Literacy/grammar, but S's find it hard :-( repeat, remind & revise
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Emmabyn
Dec 15 @ 3:05 PM EST
Agree and yet so often underused or perhaps underrated?
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:05 PM EST
Indeed, which is when it can become monotonous for all involved?
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In reply to @SusanSEnglish
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:06 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q1a. How important are Grammar skills in your subject?
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:06 PM EST
Ah, indeed, the modern day grammar hashtag crises 😂
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In reply to @SusanSEnglish
ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:06 PM EST
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Absolutely all about how we use language for effect
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SusanSEnglish
Dec 15 @ 3:06 PM EST
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Yes, but moves from st memory to lt memory ( hopefully)
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:07 PM EST
Or properly understood? I am sure grammar wasn't really on the curriculum when I was at school (in the 1980's)
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In reply to @Emmabyn
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:07 PM EST
It's only in adult life when you realise the importance of good (or poor) grammar skills IMHO
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In reply to @Emmabyn
_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:07 PM EST
I will admit I cheated and looked it up. It's a fascinating definition - includes morphology & semantics. Language is so powerful!
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SusanSEnglish
Dec 15 @ 3:08 PM EST
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an error up with the grammar 'beast' ;-)
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TheIdeasBus
Dec 15 @ 3:09 PM EST
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:09 PM EST
Totally, but young learners just don't see the point - so teaching grammar creatively need to be a key aspect
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In reply to @_theteachr
ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:09 PM EST
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clear communication is a life skill. Can't start too soon.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:10 PM EST
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Emmabyn
Dec 15 @ 3:09 PM EST
great point and I'm sure that's the same for many.
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_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:10 PM EST
Forgive me, I'm a scientist - would it not be a case of encouraging and seizing on every opportunity to get kids to read?
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:10 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q2. What is the core purpose for teaching grammar?
humphrer
Dec 15 @ 3:11 PM EST
I tear my hair out will high level pupils not using capital letters for place names.
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:11 PM EST
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purpose and audience is crucial.
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Emmabyn
Dec 15 @ 3:11 PM EST
hugely important. Being able to communicate well is a key life skill.
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LessonToolbox
Dec 15 @ 3:12 PM EST
Awesome models as
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projects from
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students
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:12 PM EST
Unless you FAIL the SPaG tests in primary, then you give up hope?
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#MusntGetPolitical
In reply to @ros_ferrara, @lit4pleasure
EnserMark
Dec 15 @ 3:12 PM EST
I was picking up A grade year 13 students on this today. Why?
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:12 PM EST
You make a strong, and valid, point, which we will explore in Q4 on
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so not ignoring you 😎
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jazampawfarr
Dec 15 @ 3:13 PM EST
I'm binning my To DO list and starting a To BE list. You with me?
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https://t.co/u54vzVJC9W
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:13 PM EST
#UKEdChat
'IF' being the critical word there!
lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:11 PM EST
All grammar is creative - if taught in a functional way instead of formal.
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Emmabyn
Dec 15 @ 3:13 PM EST
I strongly agree with this. Look forward to Q4!
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jazampawfarr
Dec 15 @ 3:14 PM EST
I'm binning my To DO list and startong a To BE list. You with me?
#ukedchat
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russeltarr
Dec 15 @ 3:14 PM EST
Why I think
@CIE_Education
is in dire need of shaking up its dodgy assessment procedures.
https://t.co/CGQVYezku0
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:14 PM EST
#ukedchat
reading shows children how writers use grammar for real purposes. No formula. Impact.
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:14 PM EST
Isn't it cool? Even thought it's wrong?
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In reply to @EnserMark, @humphrer
OppWorksIpswich
Dec 15 @ 3:15 PM EST
With a wide range of occupational training programmes we can give you the skills to develop a career
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:15 PM EST
#UKEdChat
even the youngest children understand if the have a purpose.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:15 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q2a. How good are your Grammar skills? Do you think it's critical that teachers are good grammar role models for their pupils?
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:16 PM EST
Completely. Giving a reason to write adds value to the whole process
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In reply to @ros_ferrara
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:17 PM EST
Purpose is everything with grammar - kids will learn it if they see the point and relevance
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:18 PM EST
#UKEdChat
teach in context and the test will not be a problem. Tells us nothing about being a good writer.
In reply to @ukedchat, @lit4pleasure
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:18 PM EST
How much emphasis is placed on grammar in secondary subjects, such as Science(s), Geography, History, PE, etc.?
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:15 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q2a. How good are your Grammar skills? Do you think it's critical that teachers are good grammar role models for their pupils?
lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:18 PM EST
Yes! Making this Grammar Table with a colleague made a massive difference to my knowledge & ped.
https://t.co/BaRZRYXoCz
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:19 PM EST
Were you schooled in the 1980's too?
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humphrer
Dec 15 @ 3:17 PM EST
I wish my grammar skills were better.....
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:19 PM EST
#UKEdChat
essential to have great knowledge. Too many misconceptions being taught!
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LessonToolbox
Dec 15 @ 3:20 PM EST
Osmosis explained with post it notes via
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pitmanipswich
Dec 15 @ 3:20 PM EST
At Pitman Training we know the importance of having support on hand throughout your studies.
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:20 PM EST
#UKEdChat
not enough emphasis.
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UKEdSch
Dec 15 @ 3:21 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q3. How can we be sure that all adults working with children have good subject-knowledge?
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:21 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q3. How can we be sure that all adults working with children have good grammatical subject-knowledge?
_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:21 PM EST
I remember learning about grammar (borrrang!) but I don't remember learning grammar(think it's cos I read a lot. Sorry, I know, Q4!
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:21 PM EST
let me be of service!
https://t.co/BaRZRYXoCz
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:21 PM EST
Absolutely. Sometimes it's as simple as reading out your work aloud, or getting someone else to read it aloud
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In reply to @Glazgow
lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:22 PM EST
#ukedchat
people might want to look at this you know?
https://t.co/BaRZRYXoCz
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:22 PM EST
Reading is so important for developing children's writing - they need to see grammar being used to appreciate its importance.
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:22 PM EST
To become both critical and creative writers - grammar being the core skill to get there! Ability to reflect on grammar is key.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:22 PM EST
Respect. Was it a painful (but useful) subject?
#Latin
Should it be introduced into formal education
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In reply to @ros_ferrara, @humphrer
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:23 PM EST
Never did us any harm 😂
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In reply to @humphrer
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:24 PM EST
This is absolutely brilliant - thanks for sharing - I'll be passing on to all our staff in the New Year
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:24 PM EST
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mmm.. contentious but you can't learn another language if you don't know your own grammar well.
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:25 PM EST
LSA/TA training, esp. after EEF findings on limited TA impact. It's language to be used in every lesson..
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:25 PM EST
Schools need to encourage teachers to share their expertise, in different subject areas, with each other
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:25 PM EST
Suspect that’s why so many students struggle with MfL, as grammar gets in the way
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CareersWeek
Dec 15 @ 3:26 PM EST
10 Great Career Infographics via
@UKCES
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:26 PM EST
Yes, which works in primary schools. I wonder whether this continues in secondaries?
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:26 PM EST
We have a lot of teachers who share subject expertise through after school drop in sessions - totally voluntary but well attended
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:27 PM EST
haha -not sure I'd notice if anything was missing! Hence looking forward to using the resource :-)
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:27 PM EST
A culture of 'Standard English' at all times amongst all staff - not just teachers - needs to be valued too.
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Hopcomms
Dec 15 @ 3:28 PM EST
Only 1% of students say they're influenced most by careers advice, according to
@ukEdge
study
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#FE
#careers
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:28 PM EST
I think peer sharing of work and peer assessment is a great way to develop an understanding of the importance of grammar
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SDavies_Barnes
Dec 15 @ 3:28 PM EST
@ros_ferrara
on the other hand, learning another language can sometimes help you understand the grammar of your first language.
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:24 PM EST
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mmm.. contentious but you can't learn another language if you don't know your own grammar well.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:28 PM EST
And therein lies a problem...?
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:29 PM EST
Is effective proofreading important to developing good writing too? I can spot sp. and grammar errors but definitely not an expert
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:29 PM EST
Absolutely, but it needs to be done carefully
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ICTmagic
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:30 PM EST
Get the free
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ICTmagic
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:30 PM EST
Superb Windows app – turns touchscreen PC into powerful note/sketch pad
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twinklresources
Dec 15 @ 3:30 PM EST
Lots of great chat going on now on
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RogersHistory
Dec 13 @ 5:49 PM EST
The schools inspectorate should judge schools by the well being of their teaching staff
@tes
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:30 PM EST
#UKEdChat
yes all about the impact on the reader.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:31 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q4. What is the role of reading in the teaching of grammar?
UKEdSch
Dec 15 @ 3:31 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q4. What is the role of reading in the teaching of grammar?
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:31 PM EST
yep, as with anything pupils need to be taught how to do it effectively and sensitively - lots of modelling
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TeacherTriangle
Dec 15 @ 3:31 PM EST
Do we provide enough opportunities for ALL of our students to train their brain? 💪
#physed
#pegeeks
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:32 PM EST
I fail to understand why we ask pupils to re-read their writing. Not easy to spot own mistakes
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#Guilty
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:32 PM EST
Reading GO GO GO
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Books, not the town! Just to clarify 🙄
UKEdSch
Dec 15 @ 3:31 PM EST
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- Q4. What is the role of reading in the teaching of grammar?
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:33 PM EST
Absolutely paramount, learning to write, developing vocab and grammar all come from reading - lots or variety and often
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:33 PM EST
Chn's yes/no/one number answers and teacher's direct/one-word instructions add to children's struggle with grammar!
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:33 PM EST
#UKEdChat
accuracy is a part of grammar too. Proof reading as the final review of writing.
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:34 PM EST
Agreed it's not easy - but is being able to proofread your own work not an essential skill for life?
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:35 PM EST
@UKEdSch
#UKEdChat
reading shows is how writers use grammar and gives great models. Must be high quality books though.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:35 PM EST
Oh, completely. I mean the practice of getting pupils to constantly re-read their own work
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In reply to @Glazgow
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:35 PM EST
Should we not be teaching kids strategies, that we all use, to become more effective at proofreading their own work?
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:35 PM EST
Disagree. IfU teach the writing process holistically inc.proofreading&editing - many children can, will & enjoy
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:36 PM EST
Q4. The eff. use of tense and vocabulary in particular come from increased reading! Also, the simple articulation of an idea.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:36 PM EST
Did you read back your tweet there? Technology has a lot to answer for
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#DamnAutocorrect
😜
In reply to @ros_ferrara, @UKEdSch
_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:36 PM EST
When you read for pleasure, you immerse, and then you automatically model that in your own writing IMHO. So promote ANY reading.
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:36 PM EST
yep, that's fair enough - they need strategies to make proofreading effective and positive rather than tedious
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sing0utsue
Dec 15 @ 3:38 PM EST
#ukedchat
a2 to enable everybody to speak, read and write coherently.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:38 PM EST
Do you think technology is going to have an impact on how grammatical rules evolve in the future?
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#edtech
ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:39 PM EST
#UKEdChat
Shouldn't be too complicated. Less is more sometimes.
In reply to @lit4pleasure, @ukedchat, @Glazgow
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:39 PM EST
agreed, and that's one of the proofreading strategies we should be teaching, can't check everything at once
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:39 PM EST
We split the compositional & transcriptional aspects of writing. Chn don't try & do both at the same time
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:39 PM EST
That's great - really simple to use and focuses them on specific common mistakes
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:40 PM EST
#UKEdChat
develop your own bespoke checklists and a zero tolerance towards low level inaccuracies.
In reply to @lit4pleasure, @ukedchat, @Glazgow
sing0utsue
Dec 15 @ 3:40 PM EST
#ukedchat
a3 schools must invest in good quality training for all staff.
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:40 PM EST
So can we teach the strategies through modelling or structuring it somehow?
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UKEdSch
Dec 15 @ 3:41 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q5 How is grammar being taught to improve writing?
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:41 PM EST
#UKEdChat
- Q5 How is grammar being taught to improve writing?
lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:41 PM EST
Bcoz been taught in functionalgrammarlessons -all happy with terms. Also they use reg & see me use
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:42 PM EST
#UKEdChat
Children need to be shown how to take responsibility for correcting these. Metacognition!
In reply to @lit4pleasure, @ukedchat, @Glazgow
25MaHa
Dec 15 @ 3:42 PM EST
#ukedchat
Reading is crucial to learning about grammar: Hear grammar forms, read grammar forms, bathe in them, find rules, then apply.
sing0utsue
Dec 15 @ 3:42 PM EST
#ukedchat
a4 massive of course!! The more that children read, the more they will be able to recognise the rules of grammar.
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:42 PM EST
Zero-tolerance and checklist approach has made a huge impact with my Y3 this year
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:42 PM EST
chn gen-ideas, 'vomit draft', revise (using our revision tips sheet) edit & then then publish over 6 weeks.
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In reply to @Glazgow, @ukedchat
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:42 PM EST
I like to focus on it during reading - puts it into context and shows purpose - ask c'ren why did the author use that?
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In reply to @UKEdSch
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:43 PM EST
Classical texts are better at this than modern texts?
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In reply to @25MaHa
sing0utsue
Dec 15 @ 3:43 PM EST
#ukedchat
a5 it SHOULD be taught in context and with an explicit purpose of the effect it will have upon the writing.
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keran77
Dec 15 @ 3:43 PM EST
I find reading writing a while after it was written, a good way to spot mistakes or hearing it read out aloud.
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MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:44 PM EST
Vital though that they can explain "I have used this adverbial because it gives the reader ____"
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In reply to @lit4pleasure, @ukedchat, @Glazgow
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:44 PM EST
I love the idea of a 'vomit draft' haha
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In reply to @lit4pleasure, @ukedchat
LessonToolbox
Dec 15 @ 3:45 PM EST
#Blooms
skills blank snakes + ladders dwnld➡️
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#aussieED
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_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:45 PM EST
nope - not in the future. Right now.
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#edtech
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:45 PM EST
agreed - I think that's one of the key strategies, put it to one side - do something else - go back to it
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In reply to @keran77, @ukedchat
MrW_Teacher
Dec 15 @ 3:45 PM EST
A mastery approach should be taken, as with maths. "I've used this prepositional phrase as it helps the reader to..."
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In reply to @UKEdSch
ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:46 PM EST
#UKEdChat
embedded in teaching sequences. Time to play and experiment and evaluate. Building blocks to fab writing.
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_theteachr
Dec 15 @ 3:47 PM EST
Kids fully engage in texting and find the nuance in meaning in text speak and model it. Sorry, but they will change the rules.
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25MaHa
Dec 15 @ 3:47 PM EST
Depending on the grammar phenomenon: use a didactic text that has the particular form in it often or classical or modern text.
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:43 PM EST
Classical texts are better at this than modern texts?
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In reply to @25MaHa
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:47 PM EST
I’m with you there. So, do we need to start off with grammar in the EYFS?
#UKEdChat
& support families?
In reply to @ZebaClarke
sing0utsue
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
#ukedchat
plus, ask what would happen if the author didn't use it?
In reply to @Glazgow, @UKEdSch
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
Ooh, it sounds like you have some favourites for this? Like to share with
#UKEdChat
?
In reply to @25MaHa
25MaHa
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
#ukedchat
: E.g. use fairy tale for past tense, news report for reported speech, announcement for will-future, "If I was"-song for If-clauses
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:43 PM EST
Classical texts are better at this than modern texts?
#UKEdChat
In reply to @25MaHa
ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
‘real writers’? What are they?
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In reply to @lit4pleasure, @MrW_Teacher, @Glazgow
ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
#ukedchat
without a doubt. I have hard evidence of this.
In reply to @MrW_Teacher, @lit4pleasure, @ukedchat, @Glazgow
lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
Seeing is believing
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ukedchat
- Moderator
Dec 15 @ 3:49 PM EST
Anecdotal evidence?
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Please share 😃
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25MaHa
Dec 15 @ 3:49 PM EST
E.g.:Use fairy tale for past tense, news report for reported speech, announcement for will-future, "If I was"-song for If-clauses.
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ukedchat
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Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
Ooh, it sounds like you have some favourites for this? Like to share with
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RogersHistory
Dec 15 @ 3:50 PM EST
"Our children are the most examined in Europe, and it's squeezing the joy out of learning"
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4_teachers
Dec 15 @ 3:50 PM EST
Teachers: Stressed out and Walking Away From the Profession
https://t.co/QOGbRXTOc2
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:50 PM EST
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We are working with inexperienced writers!
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25MaHa
Dec 15 @ 3:50 PM EST
The writing process - nicely visualized - learners won't forget!
#growthmindset
#revision
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:48 PM EST
Seeing is believing
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ukedchat
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Dec 15 @ 3:51 PM EST
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- Q6. How can the teaching of grammar be purposefully embedded in teaching sequences?
Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:51 PM EST
So much of our writing comes from what we read, being able to read back something and say 'that doesn't sound quite right'
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:51 PM EST
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many photographed examples from many different schools in different contexts.
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ukedchat
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Dec 15 @ 3:52 PM EST
Ooh…Me then 🤓
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RogersHistory
Dec 15 @ 3:52 PM EST
‘Teachers are having to work harder to distract students from the digital mind swamp’
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ukedchat
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Dec 15 @ 3:53 PM EST
How does this work for introverted students?
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:53 PM EST
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Explore the book, the writer' craft, experiment witj words, sentences, paragraphs. Increased confidence.
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RogersHistory
Dec 15 @ 3:54 PM EST
Put the "teacher" back into "headteacher" via
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:54 PM EST
I agree, ideas, imagination first then add/improve SPAG and sentence structure
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lit4pleasure
Dec 15 @ 3:54 PM EST
This can produce wooden writing if too explicit.
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:56 PM EST
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Definitely. They build up a tool kit of skills and make choices about what they use.
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charlieferrett
Dec 15 @ 3:56 PM EST
Versatile Head of English
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Dec 15 @ 3:57 PM EST
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Dec 15 @ 3:57 PM EST
Nice. It's good to see that you have given this such consideration
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Emmabyn
Dec 15 @ 3:57 PM EST
the Nate grammar for writing is a fantastic resource I use regularly
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ros_ferrara
Dec 15 @ 3:57 PM EST
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not wooden. No tick list of features. Always why and how I use grammar.
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Glazgow
Dec 15 @ 3:58 PM EST
'Real writiers' redraft and redraft over and over but ideas/immagination come first - spoke to an author last week - 36 redrafts!
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Dec 15 @ 3:58 PM EST
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perfinker
Dec 15 @ 3:58 PM EST
@chilledu
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The Danger of Designing Lessons for Thinkers
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25MaHa
Dec 15 @ 3:59 PM EST
Start with an interesting text that contains a grammar structure often, like a day in the life of Harry Potter.
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EnserMark
Dec 15 @ 3:59 PM EST
I was educated in the 80s and 90s - I am doomed to poor grammar.
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