#sunchat Archive

A weekly chat for educators from all around the world.

Sunday December 16, 2018
9:00 AM EST

  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:01 AM EST
    Good morning and welcome to #sunchat on this fine Sunday morning! Take a few moments to introduce yourself!
  • Ms_A_Yeh Dec 16 @ 9:02 AM EST
    Good morning #sunchat! Aubrey, interim director of fine & performing arts in CO. Working on some holiday baking this morning - yum!
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:02 AM EST
    Kasey from Kansas! 4 day week coming up. Still have some shopping to do! #sunchat
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:03 AM EST
    Paul from NJ here - excited to learn with the #sunchat crew this A.M.! šŸŒž
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:03 AM EST
    Good morning, Tiffany! It's pouring here at the Jersey Shore today. Looking forward to sitting on the couch, grading papers and watching football all day. (Oh, and making chicken soup!) #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:04 AM EST
    Tiffany, Instructional Coach and doc student from VA! #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:04 AM EST
    Best #PLN around! #sunchat
    • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:03 AM EST
      Paul from NJ here - excited to learn with the #sunchat crew this A.M.! šŸŒž
      In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:04 AM EST
    Ta-lane-na. Math T at NWC high school. Recovering from a tooth implant. #sunchat
  • TheKevinMCline Dec 16 @ 9:04 AM EST
    Hey all! Kevin coming from IN, where this big shiny disc is in the sky...Iā€™ve seen it somewhere before, but itā€™s been so long #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:04 AM EST
    I am also ready for some football! Big Bears/ Packers game! #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:05 AM EST
    Good morning, Sue. Enjoy the šŸˆ and šŸœ #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:05 AM EST
    Sounds like you are ready to get your holiday on! Our last day was Friday...too bad I have two finals to fill all my free time! #sunchat
    In reply to @MissWinegar
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:05 AM EST
    Send it our way, Kevin! It's wet and windy here in Jersey. #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • Ms_A_Yeh Dec 16 @ 9:06 AM EST
    Jealous of all of you who are done already! We are still in school this next week! #SunChat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:06 AM EST
    Yikes! Sounds painful, Telannia! #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar
  • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:06 AM EST
    Good morning! Iā€™m a middle school math teacher in suburban Chicago and the Chair of the Board for @AMLE. #sunchat
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:06 AM EST
    A+ gif #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • coachjmsmith Dec 16 @ 9:06 AM EST
    Hey everyone! Great to see you all this morning! Jason from sunny IN! #sunchat
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Good morning, friends! Alex, 21st Century Teaching and Learning Coordinator in Freeport, IL, lying in bed for another half hour to chat before getting up to get ready for church today. #sunchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    The amount of time needed to complete #homework should be reasonable so as not to prevent students from participating in extracurricular activities, interacting with family, and getting adequate sleep. #modHW #EdChat #Education #SunChat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Here is today's #sunchat topic
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Hope you are feeling better Ta-lane-na! #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Nice!!! #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Happy to make some new connections! #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • TheKevinMCline Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    I have to duck out early to take advantage of sun to get some much needed yard work done; my whole view on finals has changed over time for sure #sunchat
  • ConklinSteph Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Good morning...on my second cup of coffee Stephanie here from Texas #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Welcome to #sunchat, Christine!
    In reply to @cmt215il, @AMLE
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:07 AM EST
    Shopping today. Canā€™t believe I waited so late. Usually done in November #sunchat
    In reply to @MissWinegar
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:08 AM EST
    Whatever it takes! #sunchat
    In reply to @ConklinSteph
  • StephDill92 Dec 16 @ 9:08 AM EST
    Godd Morning #sunchat peeps. Steph Dill, elementary SPED T in Colorado joing a bit late.
  • Ms_A_Yeh Dec 16 @ 9:08 AM EST
    Oh, I was working on it yesterday too. Lots of baking :-). #SunChat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:08 AM EST
    Good morning #sunchat! Carla here from Santo Domingo, Dom Rep. Happy to join you this morning!
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:09 AM EST
    Sorry. If it makes you feel better Iā€™m back on the 2nd. #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh
  • TheKevinMCline Dec 16 @ 9:09 AM EST
    My finals used to be really big tests but they are worth 1/5 of a kids grade; it seemed to fly in face of my general issues with testing; now my guiding q is ā€œWhat do I absolutely feel a kid must know?ā€ #sunchat
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:09 AM EST
    Morning, #sunchat. I'm Brian. I teach middle-school students English in Colorado. What do I do when the semester comes to a close? Something like this...
  • StephDill92 Dec 16 @ 9:10 AM EST
    Yeah, this next week is going to be rough. Last week so many students and teachers had already had enough! Here's to waking up positive and making the most out of the week! #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh
  • ballardam Dec 16 @ 9:10 AM EST
    Good morning...Amanda here from Kentucknia (live in IN but teach in KY)....8th grade SS #sunchat
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:10 AM EST
    Still teaching my 6th gr students the concepts of deadlines, so much of this upcoming week before our mid-term progress report will be working with students on outstanding activities. When they have assignments due down the road, they can't seem to manage their time. #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:10 AM EST
    In terms of exams, I am a firm believer in "variety is the spice of life" mindset. I see the value in traditional assessments, project based assessments, and growth assessments. #sunchat
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    About how many a minutes a week do your students work on #homework? How could you decrease this amount? #modHW #EdChat #Education #SunChat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    I am. Just lagging from all the medicine to take. Yesterday was my last day for most of it. Yeah!! #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    Iā€™ve done cumulative, Iā€™ve done unit tests, Iā€™ve done projects. Just seems to be what fits the class and students at the time #sunchat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    Best people on the planet. #sunchat
    In reply to @PaulONeill1972, @tiffanytruitt
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK #sunchat
    • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
      Iā€™ve done cumulative, Iā€™ve done unit tests, Iā€™ve done projects. Just seems to be what fits the class and students at the time #sunchat
  • ConklinSteph Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    Grades are due after holidays here in my district...we gave up finals years ago! Itā€™s become babysitting for some. Iā€™m giving a unit test on last day #gottakeepthembusy #sunchat
  • ballardam Dec 16 @ 9:11 AM EST
    My 2nd quarter unit is Events to the Revolutionary War...big unit test & usually an argumentative writing piece unless snow gets in the way like this year. #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:12 AM EST
    I struggle with this as a 35 year old doc student. It's important to provide chances to work on these soft skills as students. #sunchat
    • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:10 AM EST
      Still teaching my 6th gr students the concepts of deadlines, so much of this upcoming week before our mid-term progress report will be working with students on outstanding activities. When they have assignments due down the road, they can't seem to manage their time. #sunchat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:12 AM EST
    Iā€™ve needed to rake leaves for months. #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    We went to Walmart to do some "quick" shopping. Nearly every parking space was full! I think we spent more time in line than actually shopping! #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @MissWinegar
  • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    I typically end a chapter at the end of a trimester or before a break. No huge exam. We go over older material throughout the year on weekly review assignments. #sunchat
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    I try to wrap up any major projects, etc. well before the end of the grading period - so often Ss are swamped with work from all their Ts in the last week. Doesn't seem fair. #sunchat
  • coachjmsmith Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    If I have to give a final, I want it to be related to the standards they are required to learn during the class! My thoughts on finals have definitely evolved into only the standards required! #sunchat
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    As the semester comes to a close, I want to have an idea of what they know but ALSO what they can do with that knowledge. One of my favorite ways to assess is through conferencing. This way Iā€™m not chasing down projects that havenā€™t been submitted. #sunchat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    Great guiding question. #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:13 AM EST
    We have this entire week and then are back on the third. I'm jealous of those who get two full weeks of break! #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @Ms_A_Yeh
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:14 AM EST
    One culminating tradition: Make winter-break reading plans with students for their time away from school, make sure everyone has reading material in their possession (via class book swap, shopping classroom library, visiting school library). Share plans accountably. #sunchat
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:14 AM EST
    Amanda, If school is off due to weather, do you push out an assignment electronically? Keep the learning happening? Last year, I had the kids check in via FlipGrid and tell me about what they are doing on their snow day. They loved it! #sunchat
    In reply to @ballardam
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:14 AM EST
    I really try to make the students not feel stressed over it. In the past, Iā€™ve left positive message sticky notes on their desk for encouragement #sunchat
  • CVlautzenheiser Dec 16 @ 9:14 AM EST
    We have moved away from traditional finals to embrace incremental projects to showcase student effort & skill development. Oftentimes my exams will be take-home to allow quality writing responses & even student collaboration. The thinking is worth more in the long run. #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • aimnoncat Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
    I say relax, do something that is personally rejuvenating while others heed professional advice: Mid-Year Reflection: Setting PD Goals https://t.co/zQfFObZtgc #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
    My district has also gotten rid of city-wide mandated exams. Without a reliance on these, I find many teachers craving additional training / assistance with building authentic assessments. #sunchat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
    My school has a school wife percentage where finals is 20%. They are given on specific days and as can earn exception. #sunchat
  • CurriculumMatrs Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
    #pairedtexts: 'Where I Learned How to Actually Teach Reading (Hint: Not in Teacher Training)' by @MrGmpls @JaredMyracle's blog on how we support T's in doing research-aligned instruction: #sunchat #hacklearning #CAedchat #coreadvocates https://t.co/a881BAE0fF
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
    Yes, agree. Less stressful on T & on Ss. Plus conferencing gives a clear idea of where Ss are in their learning. #sunchat
    In reply to @PaulONeill1972
  • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
    This year a 7th grader commented that teachers were ā€œcramming in testsā€ right before break. It made me realize that he didnā€™t know that we did this on purpose so that we ended a chapter before the break. Sometimes things that seem obvious to us arenā€™t so to be kids. #sunchat
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
    LOVE that idea!! What does that look like? #sunchat
    In reply to @PaulONeill1972
  • Dsoares_MiddHS Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
    Hey everyone Dennis here from Rhode Island checking in #sunchat
  • StephDill92 Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
    So many of our Ss have low executive functioning skills they can't forsee the future like we can. We have to be more intentinal to provide calendar reminders w/ check in points & what should be completed by that time. My EF skills are strong and I still prograstinate. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
    I LOVE this! Let's not forgot about these types of things when working with middle and high school students! #sunchat
    • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:14 AM EST
      One culminating tradition: Make winter-break reading plans with students for their time away from school, make sure everyone has reading material in their possession (via class book swap, shopping classroom library, visiting school library). Share plans accountably. #sunchat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
    Let me know if you have strategies that work. Canā€™t seem to get juniors to adhere to that either. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
    I've been given flack by colleagues about my acceptance of late work by students. But I'm trying to teach them they don't get off the hook by not doing it. Still expected to be done. Each marking per. I tighten the reins a bit. Hoping by the end, they're better managers. #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    Great point about how we share information with our students! #sunchat
    • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
      This year a 7th grader commented that teachers were ā€œcramming in testsā€ right before break. It made me realize that he didnā€™t know that we did this on purpose so that we ended a chapter before the break. Sometimes things that seem obvious to us arenā€™t so to be kids. #sunchat
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    I try to plan a short inquiry unit of 2-3 weeks for the end of the semester. While students are researching, synthesising, and creating, I am providing targeted interventions to fill holes. #sunchat
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    Agreed and most importantly it builds a stronger connection between Sā€™s and Tā€™s. #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink
  • ConklinSteph Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    End of semester is also a good time to let Ss reflect on what they learned and set goals for next semester #sunchat
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    Those are important life skills you are weaving in #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    When I was in the classroom, I was the same way. There are bigger lessons about grit and resiliency here that a zero just won't teach students. #sunchat
    • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:16 AM EST
      I've been given flack by colleagues about my acceptance of late work by students. But I'm trying to teach them they don't get off the hook by not doing it. Still expected to be done. Each marking per. I tighten the reins a bit. Hoping by the end, they're better managers. #sunchat
      In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:17 AM EST
    My students only homework is reading 20 min. a night. I have first graders. Parents ask for more #homework. They want to keep their kids "busy". It is frustrating they don't value family time. #sunchat
    In reply to @Erik_Youngman
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:19 AM EST
    We have been rebuilding our curriculum over the past three years, which has been great because it was desperately needed, but we are also seeing struggles with designing high-quality, authentic assessments. (Unit tests from a book don't always cut it.) #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:19 AM EST
    That is a great way to encourage your students. Do you have them do any meditation or relaxation techniques? #sunchat
    In reply to @MissWinegar
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:20 AM EST
    So true. Plus, learning to manage time & stop procrastinating can take some Ss years. I know plenty of adults who can't meet deadlines - it's important to teach this skill, rather than punish Ss who don't master it yet. #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:20 AM EST
    Thereā€™s not one way for it to look. One way that I liked to make it look was like a lunch and learn (but doesnā€™t have to be during lunchtime). Pack your favorite snack and dine with your Sā€™s as you talk openly and honestly about the semester. The connection is key. #sunchat
    In reply to @MissWinegar
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:20 AM EST
    How do you determine whatā€™s best for the class but also meets your goals. Wondering how it shows consistent demonstration of knowledge from year to year regardless of method? A ? Iā€™m always wondering this. #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:20 AM EST
    What kind of things do you all do to keep yourself sane during this time of year? #sunchat
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:21 AM EST
    Seeing this as well. I love that many districts are seeing the value of offering multiple types of assessments, but we need to consider how to support teachers in creating these. My 10 years as a classroom teacher started and ended in the era of NCLB standardized testing.#sunchat
    • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:19 AM EST
      We have been rebuilding our curriculum over the past three years, which has been great because it was desperately needed, but we are also seeing struggles with designing high-quality, authentic assessments. (Unit tests from a book don't always cut it.) #sunchat
      In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • Tkohlmann25 Dec 16 @ 9:21 AM EST
    I don't assign homework to my 7/8 History classes...though block scheduling allows for 72 to 85 minutes/class. #sunchat
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:21 AM EST
    I would call it our "Testapalooza" and explained that I used all of the assessments to plan what to do after the break; made sure students knew that I didn't want to waste their time teaching something they already knew! #sunchat
    In reply to @cmt215il
  • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
    Yes! My guiding Q: Do I want them to do it/know it TODAY? Or is it important enough for them to do it/know it tomorrow? I donā€™t take late work for full credit but I do want them to do it because it is important for their learning. Retaking tests is part of this too. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
    I find that many of our parents equate a "good education" with lots of homework. #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
    Agreed! Each day, I go over step by step what our writing activities are, when they are expected to be handed in. Much of our writing is done in increments, they just need to reach a point so we can check in on it. Not completed. And, they self-assess using a rubric. #sunchat
    In reply to @StephDill92
  • MissWinegar Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
    No but Iā€™ve been wanting to try! #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
    As a high school instructional coach, I have encouraged a few of my teachers to encourage students to set up meetings with their teachers when a project is late - a guided reflection on responsibility, management, and how to have critical conversations #sunchat
    • ConklinSteph Dec 16 @ 9:20 AM EST
      I take late work...natural consequences happen when youā€™re not ready for a quiz...process is as important as product
      In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:23 AM EST
    This kid's got a point, I'll suggest. Milestones in the school year, like the end of a marking period, need not be as hard & fast as we make them out to be. Learning is more fluid than many school structures give it credit for. Retrieval practice can payoff any time. #sunchat
    In reply to @cmt215il
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:23 AM EST
    Can you repeat that about RETAKING TESTS? Why are so many teachers against this? What are we valuing here when we deny this? Certainly not growth or grit. #sunchat
    • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
      Yes! My guiding Q: Do I want them to do it/know it TODAY? Or is it important enough for them to do it/know it tomorrow? I donā€™t take late work for full credit but I do want them to do it because it is important for their learning. Retaking tests is part of this too. #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:24 AM EST
    Sounds like a little backwards design and curriculum mapping to me! #sunchat
    • ConklinSteph Dec 16 @ 9:23 AM EST
      Build your tests at the beginning of your planning...use a common test bank...you will have some good data on what activities/lessons should be taught.
      In reply to @alextvalencic, @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:24 AM EST
    Conducting frequent self-audits to see where Iā€™m thriving and where Iā€™m not. Checking to see how Iā€™m using my time and where I can make adjustments. Also, being sure to ask for assistance when needed. Most importantly, remembering to be good to myself. #sunchat
    In reply to @MissWinegar
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:24 AM EST
    Wish I had a magic bullet - but it requires A LOT of post it notes stuck on them, and their chrome books. I've even resorted to paper bracelets with reminders written on them that I put on their wrist to wear home! (The modern version of string tied onto a finger!) #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:24 AM EST
    Just a thought...I would ask, "What is the goal? Turing things in or learning?" If it is truly learning when it is turned in is not as important. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • cybraryman1 Dec 16 @ 9:25 AM EST
    Our Exit or Capstone Projects page https://t.co/55NlKm8hWs Good idea is to do a PBL project. Our Project-Based Learning page https://t.co/sSTuB8rtOZ #sunchat
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:25 AM EST
    We didn't used to give full credit for late work either - but my Ts are changing their minds about that since we want out grades to reflect level of mastery only. Now we grade and make comments on life skills as an important (but seperate) focus. #sunchat
    In reply to @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:25 AM EST
    #sunchat there are a myriad of reasons why work was not done on time... we could have a whole discussion on those
    In reply to @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:26 AM EST
    These are crucial. Look to colleagues for assistance. Have them spend time with your students. Providing your students with these self-regulation skills will help them become stronger in many areas. šŸ’ŖšŸ’Ŗ#sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts, @MissWinegar
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:27 AM EST
    That makes me feel better. Thought I was just missing a strategy that is fail safe. Also letting them fail at it as well. That actually helps. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:27 AM EST
    Exactly how I feel, Tiffany. I'll note when things are late, and by how long, in our electronic gradebook. But if they complete it, they'll be graded based on the content. I want to know what they know, and want to reflect that in the grades. Tightrope for sure. #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • Ms_A_Yeh Dec 16 @ 9:27 AM EST
    I think it depends on the assignment. When I was teaching, many things were accepted late for full credit (within the marking period), but practice videos were the exception - small doses of weekly practice/feedback is way better than recording 5 at once... #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:28 AM EST
    Exactly!!! #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • rashidfdavis Dec 16 @ 9:28 AM EST
    #HackLearning #sunchat there may be no greater threat in public education than the disconnect between what is evaluated and student outcomes @rashidfdavis @DOEChancellor @CWATSONHARRIS @EdTrust @NYSEDNews @edreform @nycfuture @EdTrustNY #SundayThoughts @ExcelinEd @WISE_Tweets
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:28 AM EST
    I've certainly heard this one before. However, this is the first time my brain is framing it as a correlation, not causation dilemma. Research in this areas, unsurprisingly, points to complexity: https://t.co/9UPdSF3yylā€¦ Sorry, no one-size-fits-all solutions here. #sunchat
    • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:22 AM EST
      I find that many of our parents equate a "good education" with lots of homework. #sunchat
      In reply to @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:28 AM EST
    I love tabletop gaming and I tried to share that with my students. I would invite three or four at a time to eat lunch with me in my room and then we would play board games until lunch was over. Reminded us all that there's more to school than just schoolwork! #sunchat
    In reply to @MissWinegar
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:29 AM EST
    Forgot how I also do this at the end of a semester. So valuable for me. #sunchat
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:29 AM EST
    Speaks to how parents don't have free time these days. I see how much time 6th gr boys spend on Fortnite. If they put one-fifth of that time into focusing on their writing skills, I'd be T-O-Y for how well my kids have progressed. Sadly, doesn't happen outside the Croom. #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:29 AM EST
    #sunchat --- also , stop grading so much (actually we should stop grading altogether) - they need to see doing work as a part of learning, not as a part of getting enough points to pass
    In reply to @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
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  • TheKevinMCline Dec 16 @ 9:30 AM EST
    One thing I remember coming up in here during a prior chat was the ā€œblank sheetā€ method- give kids blank paper with q ā€œWhat else do you know?ā€ And let kids fill it with additional relevant knowledge on test day #sunchat
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:30 AM EST
    Why is that???? #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • openupresources Dec 16 @ 9:31 AM EST
    Things that Make Our Week: When Literacy Leaders like Sue Pimentel, @MJLiben, and @LibenDavid sing the praises of our free @BookwormsRW Kā€“5 Reading and Writing curriculum! Read the piece on the @achievethecore website: https://t.co/MYqcrptGNy #sunchat #1stchat #engchat
  • Ms_A_Yeh Dec 16 @ 9:31 AM EST
    Not all parents have time (working 3 jobs to support the family) or know how (if they didn't have a model growing up, or a model in a very different culture, it can be hard). I know that's not everyone, but...how can we help value family time without vilifying parents? #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:31 AM EST
    Zeroes donā€™t reflect knowledge or proficiency. We can design other ways to teach how students should address deadlines. As educators our grading must emphasize a culture of competence not compliance. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:31 AM EST
    Same in writing workshop - when 1st & 2nd drafts are handed in on time, giving Ss time to use feedback to revise, the final draft is much stronger. Not handing them in naturally causes them to have a lower grade on final drafts, but not because we penalize them. #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:31 AM EST
    I tried to eliminate homework completely and sent a letter explaining why and what I wanted students to do instead. Parents went to my principal to complain and I was told I had to do it. Sigh. #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:32 AM EST
    #sunchat
    • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:29 AM EST
      I have come full circle on test retakes. Iā€™m now of the mindset that Iā€™d rather have them go back and learn the material/clear up misunderstandings on a retake instead of just getting a D or F. If it is important, I want to give them an opportunity to learn it.
      In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • Erik_Youngman Dec 16 @ 9:33 AM EST
    Ask the right #questions today to maximize #continuous #improvement for yourself and others. #SunChat #EdChat #GrowthMindset
  • ballardam Dec 16 @ 9:33 AM EST
    Iā€™m very upfront that ā€œhomeworkā€ is to review content...15 minutes every other day. Occasionally, they may need to finish up something but that is rare. #sunchat
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:33 AM EST
    I let them re-take. I wish our online gradebook program had a better way to track progress. I do well with notes in with the grades, but would be nice to see the trend of re-takes, the growth, the mastery, etc. #sunchat
    In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • ToscaAusten Dec 16 @ 9:33 AM EST
    Mocker In Chief Alec Baldwin took viewers to a ā€˜Itā€™s A Wonderful Lifeā€™ Christmasā€”a magical world ā€œwithout President Trumpā€. If only there was a šŸŒŽ without the serial rage offender Baldwin. #ffweekend #Sunchat
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:33 AM EST
    and really, every grade should be an "A" if you are grading. why would we be okay with "got 80% of what I was supposed to" (i prefer competency : "got it , move on) #sunchat
    In reply to @ballardam, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:34 AM EST
    Maybe for the same reason some people believethat medicine that tastes bad is more effective? :) #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:34 AM EST
    Bright side: You can use principles from fort nite to teach them planning. My Ss are not into that game. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • daveschmittou Dec 16 @ 9:34 AM EST
    In the week before the break please remember that the calendar does not dictate learning, your students do. Cramming things in will help you check things off your list but will not guarantee that anything is actually learned. #LastingLearning #sunchat
  • Ms_A_Yeh Dec 16 @ 9:35 AM EST
    I struggled with the balance between practice & playing tests. So many of my kids were anxious about the tests & didn't show their best playing, even recording at home, so I tried to find a balance...but there wasn't always a "final" on what they were practicing weekly. #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:35 AM EST
    I'm on board with this sentiment. My inner editor, though, suggests you only experienced part of the loop that you claim. Instead of coming full circle, you actually did a 180 :) #sunchat
    • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:29 AM EST
      I have come full circle on test retakes. Iā€™m now of the mindset that Iā€™d rather have them go back and learn the material/clear up misunderstandings on a retake instead of just getting a D or F. If it is important, I want to give them an opportunity to learn it.
      In reply to @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:35 AM EST
    Answers will certainly vary depending on the family. Iā€™ve heard that HW extends learning or gives them chances to practice independently or gives them a chance to apply newly learned skills outside the classroom. #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:35 AM EST
    Good point but parents are going to be a hard sell on that one. They like grades. #sunchat
    In reply to @shirky17, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:36 AM EST
    Yes! I still do that! Excellent tip we got that day! #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:36 AM EST
    Re-take with full credit! Once mastery is shown, students should get full credit for demonstrating it! It makes me furious when Iearn of teachers who only give partial credit for a retake or average the scores. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:37 AM EST
    Heck, as a student & in my initial years teaching, *I* liked grades. They seemed easy to understand & (usually) validated my success. The accrual of wider experiences has complicated that relationship. #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @shirky17, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:37 AM EST
    We're moving into student self-assessment. They learn to find their own strengths & weaknesses, and then conference with Ts about them. This has been a game changer for us. #sunchat https://t.co/dywxlhm5XK
    In reply to @shirky17, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:39 AM EST
    I like this idea! Great way to see what "stuck" for Ss and what they found important. #sunchat
    In reply to @TheKevinMCline
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:39 AM EST
    Exactly. After using chrome books since Sept, I had my 6th gr write a draft argument essay ON PAPER (oh boy, they groaned a lot!) but it gave us time to manually edit, revise, re-check sources. THEN they typed it out. ("My paragraphs look so short!" was heard throughout) #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @Ms_A_Yeh, @cmt215il, @tiffanytruitt
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:39 AM EST
    All the best, #sunchat contributors, for whatever endgames play out in the spheres of education where you exert your influence. But first, enjoy the second half of your weekend.
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:39 AM EST
    It is tough! I like to have the older students help support when possible. We also have a great senior volunteer program in our school. #sunchat
    • ballardam Dec 16 @ 9:37 AM EST
      What about students who need support and do not have the help for whatever reason? I can remember a neighbor helping me in 4th grade due to my mom being a new single mom who just rejoined the workforce who also had two toddlers besides me.
      In reply to @PaulONeill1972, @thnorfar, @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:40 AM EST
    Kudos for trying! Keep it up - eventually you'll be able to make the change. #sunchat
    In reply to @alextvalencic, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:40 AM EST
    WHAT?? Crazy! #sunchat But, next question: Does the homework get consistently done?
    In reply to @alextvalencic, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:40 AM EST
    HW not getting done requires a deeper level of reflection. We must get to the root cause. WHY isnā€™t that HW not getting done? That requires individualized investigation that digs toward the root cause. Again answers may vary and solutions need to be creative. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @thnorfar, @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • teachNVACS Dec 16 @ 9:41 AM EST
    #teachNVchat tonight! Almost holiday break time & we want to know what your up to! Join us at 7:00 PM PST #nvedchat #caedchat #leadupchat #sunchat #bookcampPD #JoyfulLeaders #edchat #teachnvacs #idedchat #utedchat #ecechat #tosachat #cuechat #ditchbook
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:41 AM EST
    yes because they are used to the "system" (which is no longer what these students or current society needs) ; they just want communication that says "my child is being successful" ; those numbers we use for grades are really not good indicators - whole chats on that #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:41 AM EST
    Good they aren't . Violent (as most games are.) Way too much screen time as consumers, not producers. #sunchat
    In reply to @thnorfar, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • thnorfar Dec 16 @ 9:42 AM EST
    Good point #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @shirky17, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:43 AM EST
    YES! self assessment (& peer assessment) needs to be a big part of assessment (hopefully getting away from # & letters and talking understanding of ideas - narrative) #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:43 AM EST
    I agree about extended learning and families. My hope is that homework is purposeful and not just that is what we do because that is what we did last year and the year before that... #sunchat
    • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:35 AM EST
      Answers will certainly vary depending on the family. Iā€™ve heard that HW extends learning or gives them chances to practice independently or gives them a chance to apply newly learned skills outside the classroom. #sunchat
      In reply to @thnorfar, @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:43 AM EST
    We have to keep these very real factors in mind when assigning tasks outside of school. Not every student has the support/capabilities to complete their HW independently & accurately. We must think of what we are asking to be done and what the assignment accomplishes. #sunchat
    In reply to @ballardam, @thnorfar, @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:44 AM EST
    This is also one of my pet peeves. If they learned, they learned. It's not about a race with top grades going to those who learn faster #sunchat
    In reply to @alextvalencic, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:44 AM EST
    I do it on every writing assignment where we go for mastery. They highlight, circle things that should have been included, show they can punctuate, etc. Then they score themselves. Sometimes I tweak it, but it's the words that count on the explanations they write. #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @shirky17, @cmt215il, @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:44 AM EST
    Totally agree. #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:45 AM EST
    #sunchat - feedback, people need feedback, high quality feedback (had a T tell me their feedback was "i circle the ones they did wrong"), narrative is best, and yes difficult (1 reason why we need better T/S ratios
    In reply to @thnorfar, @brianrozinsky, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:46 AM EST
    #sunchat yes, mastery & proficiency---words get to those points, numbers don't.
    In reply to @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @cmt215il, @tiffanytruitt
  • Yxng_Messiah Dec 16 @ 9:46 AM EST
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:46 AM EST
    I find that feedback in conferences is more effective than written feedback. Instead of "telling" I can ask questions so that Ss learn to give themselves feedback instead of relying on me. #sunchat
    In reply to @shirky17, @thnorfar, @brianrozinsky, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:47 AM EST
    Not in my room! šŸ˜€Even with the little I require. I try to think of homework as extended practice. If it is something for the grade book it is school work and the other is home practice. #sunchat #elementary
    • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:40 AM EST
      WHAT?? Crazy! #sunchat But, next question: Does the homework get consistently done?
      In reply to @alextvalencic, @BirdTownCrafts, @Erik_Youngman
  • tiffanytruitt Dec 16 @ 9:47 AM EST
    Thanks team for getting me going this Sunday morning. I am off to get some work done on one of my finals before the Bears / Packers game this afternoon! #sunchat
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:48 AM EST
    #sunchat questions are a very important part of feedback, the ones we ask, the ones they ask, they ones they answer, the ones that cannot be answered.... questioning is SO IMPT!!!
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @thnorfar, @brianrozinsky, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:48 AM EST
    It is when they are state-tested on it. Therein lies the dilemma. Teachers who care too much about their test scores, well, we need to understand what is really important. Learning looks different in each classroom. And, not every student will be college-bound. #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @alextvalencic, @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:48 AM EST
    Hey #sunchat that was fun! We are proud to announce that EdCampLacey is taking place on Saturday, January 12th in Lanoka Harbor, NJ. Canā€™t attend? Please like/retweet so others can join us for this day of learning and fun. Link to register is below: https://t.co/ZaotTWiqZI
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:49 AM EST
    I love the idea of "extended practice". We no longer use the word "homework" but call it "learning opportunities" instead. Changes the mindset completely. #sunchat
    In reply to @BirdTownCrafts
  • MrElmerLLC Dec 16 @ 9:50 AM EST
    Are you bringing the holiday cheer to your classroom this year? Here are some fun ideas from @TeachThought https://t.co/nk8Ygyi5lu What are your go to holiday activities for the classroom? #sunchat #apchat
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:50 AM EST
    Yes! Come see my classroom! lol #sunchat
    In reply to @PaulONeill1972
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:50 AM EST
    #sunchat we all do ; "when you know better, do better" ; remember , assessment comes from a word that means "to sit beside" , so discussions MUST be central to assessment
    In reply to @ballardam, @carlameyrink, @thnorfar, @brianrozinsky, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • brianrozinsky Dec 16 @ 9:50 AM EST
    Dialogue can be heady stuff, whether spoken or written or some combination. Here's recent post (math-focused, but transferable) that, for me, cemented power of two-way communication: https://t.co/dvcwe8Kk58 #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @shirky17, @thnorfar, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:50 AM EST
    I suppose. I'm lucky not to have to deal with state testing, so I guess I really don't have the whole picture. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @alextvalencic, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:51 AM EST
    Oooo, I looke forward to reading this! Thanks Brian! #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @shirky17, @thnorfar, @cmt215il, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:52 AM EST
    You are not the only grade doing this! I teach 1st grade and was just talking with a teammate that I wanted to finish the science unit before break I would have to have a full day of science. I Q. What is the value of finishing before or after break? #sunchat
    • cmt215il Dec 16 @ 9:15 AM EST
      This year a 7th grader commented that teachers were ā€œcramming in testsā€ right before break. It made me realize that he didnā€™t know that we did this on purpose so that we ended a chapter before the break. Sometimes things that seem obvious to us arenā€™t so to be kids. #sunchat
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:52 AM EST
    Just keep doing what you are doing, Carla. You know what they need, and obviously it has been successful. That's all that counts! #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @alextvalencic, @tiffanytruitt
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:53 AM EST
    #sunchat do you need to do some more on your own? can you do some more to further your learning or the project? do you need a break from your learning/project? can you take pics and upload them on your own, can you find a video related to ... .,
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @BirdTownCrafts
  • BirdTownCrafts Dec 16 @ 9:53 AM EST
    Yes, I feel that same way. Even the parents see it differently. #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 9:54 AM EST
    I have the pleasure of working with @susankotch every day. Her classroom celebrates learning, progress and most importantly CARE each/every day. Join us on Saturday 1/12 and visit a learning environment where great things are happening. #sunchat https://t.co/ZaotTWiqZI
    In reply to @susankotch, @susankotch
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:55 AM EST
    #sunchat - oh man , the statistics on college "success" .....
    In reply to @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @alextvalencic, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:55 AM EST
    Aw, thank you for that pat on the back Susan. You have no idea how much that means to me! #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @alextvalencic, @tiffanytruitt
  • susankotch Dec 16 @ 9:57 AM EST
    Thanks, Paul! Work in Progress for sure! #sunchat Yes, come see me - we'll do a #sunchat photo!
    In reply to @PaulONeill1972
  • alextvalencic Dec 16 @ 9:58 AM EST
    While not every student is college-bound, the skills needed for success in college and the skills needed for success in careers are the same set of skills. Unfortunately, those aren't assessed on high-stakes state-mandated tests. #sunchat
    In reply to @shirky17, @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt
  • carlameyrink Dec 16 @ 9:58 AM EST
    I want to visit your class Susan! #sunchat
    In reply to @PaulONeill1972, @susankotch
  • shirky17 Dec 16 @ 9:59 AM EST
    #sunchat and if they are not assessed , how much focus/attention do they get in most learning environments (rhetorical)
    In reply to @alextvalencic, @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt
  • PaulONeill1972 Dec 16 @ 10:00 AM EST
    Work in progress...arenā€™t we all? šŸ˜ƒ Just trying to get better each/every day! #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch