#nhed Archive
An chat run by New Hampshire educators.
Sunday January 17, 2016
7:00 PM EST
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:00 PM EST
Welcome to
#NHed
-camp! Tonight we chat
#edcamp
style. Start dropping your ideas!
https://t.co/DF3NW4rsTk
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:01 PM EST
On behalf of our team,
@mrlaferriere
@audralurvey
@jbhanlon
& I, welcome home to
#NHed
!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:02 PM EST
Tonight’s
#nhed
chat will be archived and will be available at:
https://t.co/MPBxsHCq8K
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:03 PM EST
I'm your
#nhed
host & Chief Edu-Imagineer, John Martin out of beautiful Sandwich, NH.
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:03 PM EST
#NHEd
I teach Computer Science in the Lakes Region. Advocate for Competency Based learning and Tech Integration. Glad to be here!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:04 PM EST
Ok
#NHed
-ucators, please introduce yourself & share something you learned this week.
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:04 PM EST
#NHed
hellooooooo!!! I've been on hiatus & so excited to be here for
#nhed
chat!! :) hope everyone has been well.
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:04 PM EST
#NHed
hellooooooo!!! I've been on hiatus & so excited to be here for
#nhed
chat!! :) hope everyone has been well.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:04 PM EST
Great to have you here tonight
@cswenson
! Just a heads up, next week's
#NHed
chat is on Competency Based Learning!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:05 PM EST
If you haven't yet, please toss out any ideas you'd like to chat about on tonight's
#NHed
-camp!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:05 PM EST
Glad you're back
@jbhanlon
, we've missed you!
#NHed
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:05 PM EST
#NHed
I'm Jackie Hanlon- Middle School Magic Maker:) from Somersworth, NH:)
AmitOdom
Jan 17 @ 7:05 PM EST
#NHed
hellooooooo!!! I've been on hiatus & so excited to be here for
#nhed
chat!!
https://t.co/WH8PEXWj7m
ItsFoamy
Jan 17 @ 7:04 PM EST
Match fixing at the highest levels of tennis has to be the biggest "who cares" in sports.
AmitOdom
Jan 17 @ 7:05 PM EST
#NHed
hellooooooo!!! I've been on hiatus & so excited to be here for
#nhed
chat!!
https://t.co/WH8PEXWj7m
ItsFoamy
Jan 17 @ 7:04 PM EST
Match fixing at the highest levels of tennis has to be the biggest "who cares" in sports.
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:05 PM EST
#nhed
Tod, media specialist, Claremont, NH
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:06 PM EST
This week I learned how to do a mail merge from a .csv file to an InDesign file.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:06 PM EST
Hi Tod!
@guilfordt
#NHed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:06 PM EST
SR, severe sped T from MA. Curious to see how
#nhed
-camp is going to work.
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:06 PM EST
Audra, LMS from Nottingham, NH. This week I learned about
#DEEPdt
and
https://t.co/e4Vq6vonh0
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:07 PM EST
@guilfordt
#nhed
My aunt works for the Claremont district.
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:07 PM EST
@cswenson
@guilfordt
#nhed
In which building?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:08 PM EST
@cswenson
That is cool! What were you creating?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:09 PM EST
@guilfordt
I don't know. I found out she worked in that district when I was interviewing for the Curriculum Coordinator position.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:09 PM EST
.
@audrallurvey
That sounds like a great Q for tonight's
#NHed
-Camp!
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:09 PM EST
This week I learned (was reminded) that learning can look an awful lot like "making trouble"
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:09 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
Sounds like my kind of learning!
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:10 PM EST
@edventures
We were making passes for midterm exams. We wanted to merge each students name onto the passes, made in InDesign
#nhed
AssignmentHelpN
Jan 17 @ 7:10 PM EST
Top 5 Emerging EdTech Trends you Must Know in 2016
https://t.co/WYBZFBXkiI
#nhed
#TOKchat
#Read4Fun
#edchat
#STEM
https://t.co/LskJqBF7Ps
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:10 PM EST
.
@cswenson
Wild!
#NHed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:11 PM EST
@edventures
it's not mine. I'm very structured/data driven. But the data is irrefutable!
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:11 PM EST
Ok I'll start off our questions but think about what you'd like to learn/ask/explore on tonight's
#NHed
-camp.
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:12 PM EST
@edventures
my admin was observing for one of the (less chaotic) moments of it - curious to see what the observation notes say!
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:12 PM EST
It was challenging. It reminds me of sometimes what it is like to be new at software when I get thrown a twist like that
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:12 PM EST
#NHed
Q1:
@audrallurvey
@WickedDecent
What is
#DeepDT
?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:13 PM EST
Other questions/thoughts for tonight's
#NHed
-Camp? What do YOU want to know?
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:13 PM EST
It is an acronym that stands for Discover, Empathize, Experiment, Produce for
#PBL
#nhed
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:14 PM EST
It reminds us as
@wickeddecent
says to have intention when you are creating and executing projects
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:14 PM EST
#NHed
I'd like to talk about the role of midterms as authentic assessment. We're going into midterms this time of year. What are their role?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:15 PM EST
Follow up to
#NHed
Q1@audrallurvey - How is it different from regular
#DesignThinking
& how is it used for
#PBL
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:15 PM EST
.
@cswenson
That'll be tonight's
#NHed
Q2!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:17 PM EST
#NHed
Q2: Are mid-terms (or Finals for that matter) "authentic assessment"? Should we use them? What role might they serve?
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:17 PM EST
A2: I am no expert, but I think it creates a framework to focus on a real-world problem and guide the project.
#nhed
#DEEPdt
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:18 PM EST
A2. Anyone else find the end of q2 horribly timed? Right after a vacation so we've completely lost continuity?
#nhed
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:18 PM EST
A2 cont: We were discussing it in relation to
#STEM
and
#literacy
. For ex, how can I as a LMS create conn. w/ picture books and STEM.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:18 PM EST
.
@audrallurvey
@WickedDecent
#DeepDT
sounds like a great topic for a future
#NHed
chat! Might you be interested Dan?
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:19 PM EST
#nhed
A2: The argument has been to prepare Ss for similar testing in college, but not all Ss go to college.
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:19 PM EST
Sorry, messed up my numbering
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:20 PM EST
.
@cswenson
And while mid-terms/finals are used in college, when was the last time you had one in your career?
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:20 PM EST
@audrallurvey
Ah, no worries! I threw you a curve!
#NHed
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:20 PM EST
A2:
#nhed
Taking midterms getting ready for college?
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:21 PM EST
One of the reasons I report Ss best performance of the quarter, not final/most recent performance on progress notes -
#nhed
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:21 PM EST
A2
#nhed
Do midterms prepare you for life?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:21 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
The timing issue is a big one. Why do we give huge exams after such a break and why do we have arbitrary *mesters.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:22 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
And a big reason I'm a proponent of competency/standards based learning and growth measurements.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:23 PM EST
#nhed
if we are preparing for college, then why not require one online course? That promotes distant collaboration & time management.
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:25 PM EST
@edventures
but they have to be implemented by people who actually understand them - or we end up with the ABA "show me blue" dilemma
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:25 PM EST
A2
#nhed
I bring it up because Bedford just got rid of theirs, & it makes me question the value of end of course testing. Maybe a capstone?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:26 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
Can you explain that one? I've not heard it.
#NHed
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:26 PM EST
A2: I teach middle school on trimesters so no final/ midterms here. I did teach us for 5 yrs though & my midt were just competencies
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:27 PM EST
.
@cswenson
I like capstone experiences. I'd rather Ss be asked to demonstrate knowledge rather than simply regurgitate it to me.
#NHed
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:28 PM EST
@cswenson
more & more colleges are not doing the traditional midterm but instead have more collaborative assignments
#nhed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:29 PM EST
@edventures
basic skill "color ID" - S can't move on to more motivating/interesting skills until "proves competency" basic skill
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:29 PM EST
#nhed
my only concern with capstones in a traditional public school is overwhelming students at the end of the semester with 6 projects.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:30 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
Oh! Ugh! Sounds rather demeaning.
#NHed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:30 PM EST
@edventures
S is bored/disinterested in basic skill, so doesn't show mastery --> never gets to move on
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:30 PM EST
#NHed
Q3: Let's examine the idea of quarters/trimesters/semesters and closing "grading" periods? Does learning stop after that last day?
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:30 PM EST
A2 it isn't midterms-it's that too often theyre forced ¬ authentic - I know Ts who use the time to do labs or larger collab assign
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:31 PM EST
.
@cswenson
Can definitely see that. What if we had integrated experiences instead of discipline specific *classes*? Might only be 3.
#NHed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:31 PM EST
@edventures
it's currently happening to thousands of S with
#autism
and others with the severe/profound label around the world
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:32 PM EST
#nhed
Q3: Rolling admission would be ideal. In AZ my daughter's charter school did 6 week units and moved S on to a new T if mastered
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:32 PM EST
A3: I use my Tri end dates as a point to stop. I teach 3 mini classes & the skills carry through so those assess points are left open
#nhed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:33 PM EST
A3. I try to line up my units with the semesters, but I don't teach in an ideal world, so it rarely works out that way.
#nhed
cpbossman09
Jan 17 @ 7:34 PM EST
With online grading, is the final grade of a trimester or semester as meaningful?
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:34 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
Feels wrong to me. Most learning isn't serial but rather occurs in parallel. Experiences can happen simultaneously.
#NHed
cpbossman09
Jan 17 @ 7:35 PM EST
Competency based grading will do away with end of term grading learning is a work in progress
#nhed
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:35 PM EST
@cswenson
love that!We switch content every 6wks but Ss progress is Indiv tracked on skills. We differentiate the best wecan but hard
#nhed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:36 PM EST
.
@edventures
One of many reasons I disagree with ABA methodologies. But if we start that conversation, we"ll be here all night!.
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:37 PM EST
#nhed
@jbhanlon
in that model, teachers can teach the sections they do best and get a new group of students every 6 weeks. Keeps it fresh.
cpbossman09
Jan 17 @ 7:37 PM EST
So which group will be the biggest roadblock to competency based grading and not antiquated ABCD? Parents or teachers?
#nhed
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:37 PM EST
A3: We are on a schedule to get grades into the online grading system for parents- need to have something for parents to see.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:37 PM EST
.
@cpbossman09
That is what I believe we are leading up to at
#Interlakes
. Where learning is not bound by time but achievement.
#NHed
cpbossman09
Jan 17 @ 7:38 PM EST
Final grades are a snap shot just like good assessments
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:38 PM EST
.
@gallianstone
Fodder for another day!
#NHed
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:38 PM EST
Grading is limited by parents not understanding new system and colleges wanting GPA.
#nhed
cpbossman09
Jan 17 @ 7:39 PM EST
I, as a parent, want to know if my child is progressing not that he/she got homework done
#nhed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:39 PM EST
@cswenson
@jbhanlon
is there really time to develop meaningful rapport with Ss in 6 weeks? (I'm biased, I keep my Ss for 3-5 years)
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:40 PM EST
.
@guilfordt
Same here. We recognize that we need a measurement of progress tool but it will become constant rather than periodic.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:40 PM EST
#NHed
Q4: What else do we do for the sake of college that doesn't happen in the "Real World"?
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:40 PM EST
#NHed
Q4: What else do we do for the sake of college that doesn't happen in the "Real World"?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:40 PM EST
@cpbossman09
#nhed
In my experience, objections on both sides but for very different reasons! P because it is unfamiliar. T for tracking.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:40 PM EST
.
@cpbossman09
Great question! Speaking for my school, my MT/HS Ts are on board. I see parents as my challenge group.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:41 PM EST
#NHed
Q4: GOOD QUESTION! I believe the same homework for every student.
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:42 PM EST
#nhed
sorry I keep putting Q instead of A
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:43 PM EST
#NHed
A4: Class rank is one of my pet peeves when it comes to what colleges supposedly *want*.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:43 PM EST
.
@cswenson
LOL, no worries!
#NHEd
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:44 PM EST
#NHed
A4 cont'd: GPA would be another as averages don't tell the whole learning story. They are a false marker of achievement.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:45 PM EST
#NHed
A4 cont'd: While on the subject, how about letter grades? What do those really tell us about a student's achievements in learning?
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:45 PM EST
#nhed
A4 and GPA covers all 4 years, so steady students it is a good indicator but for those kids that wake up late, not so much.
audrallurvey
Jan 17 @ 7:46 PM EST
A4: College should want to know work ethic, collaboration skills, etc. The "soft skills" that we keep reading about
#nhed
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:46 PM EST
A4. Compliance-based anything really. Which is 90% of traditional
#specialeducation
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:48 PM EST
#nhed
A4 I was shocked: a test reader thread that a 5 on an AP exam could be different from year to year, depending on the cohort that year.
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:49 PM EST
#nhed
@gallianstone
Agreed. Traditional grading reports out compliance.
@audrallurvey
soft-skills are super important.
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:51 PM EST
@gallianstone
@cswenson
you could have Ss for 10 years and never have meaningful rapport or a connection :) it's about the quality
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:52 PM EST
#NHed
I want to encourage my learners & I wish for their pursuit of learning to be authentic & lifelong.
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:53 PM EST
#NHed
What if students could look at the competencies of all our courses and design their own curriculum?
guilfordt
Jan 17 @ 7:53 PM EST
Want students to enjoy learning and want to keep on learning even after they leave my class.
#nhed
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:54 PM EST
@edventures
hate grades. Totally subject- hate hate them. Dying for standards based to take over. Grades tell us who works
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:54 PM EST
.
@cswenson
YES YES YES! Please!
#NHed
https://t.co/LDmLSttDzO
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:53 PM EST
#NHed
What if students could look at the competencies of all our courses and design their own curriculum?
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 17 @ 7:55 PM EST
#NHed
though I am a much bigger fan of final projects as long as colleges are using finals I think it is a disservice not to have them in a
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:55 PM EST
.
@jbhanlon
Or, like me, who knows how to play the game. And I could work that system like nobody's biz.
#NHed
jbhanlon
Jan 17 @ 7:55 PM EST
#nhed
have to cut out a few min early for a yelling 5 year old:) but so good to be back!!! See you all next Sun.
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:56 PM EST
@cswenson
trying to scaffold doing that at the lesson level. Would love to take it bigger though!
#Nhed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:56 PM EST
#Nhed
I find some ss stress over projects like some stress over tests, so I make both options available.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:56 PM EST
But do we know WHY this matters? B/C the students need to KNOW what they need to know, and have to think on how to apply it!
@cswenson
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:58 PM EST
If we define competency the same way I think the NH DOE does, then I'd agree.
@jbhanlon
@Sjm4grlsMack
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:58 PM EST
@edventures
#nhed
I worked in tech industry before being a T, I'm able to tell S why they need to know/do something and tell them stories.
gallianstone
Jan 17 @ 7:59 PM EST
@edventures
@cswenson
need to see there is a goal, to want to get there, and to be able to figure out how. many embedded skills
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 17 @ 7:59 PM EST
Thanks for a great chat tonight! It was interesting to see where
#NHed
went when we didn't have a formal topic. This was fun!
cswenson
Jan 17 @ 7:59 PM EST
#NHed
I have taken every standard and put them into an "I can" statement and put under each competency for Ss to pull out and prove.