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RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Rik in MA, a HS Math Facilitator of Learning in a Standards-Based Learning environment. Honored to co-moderate #sblchat w/ @garnet_hillman.

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Good evening and welcome to #sblchat! Tonight we are talking about Standards Based Learning & Standards Based Grading. Please start intros!

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Good evening friend! #sblchat

In reply to @KatieBudrow

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Adam Lester, ELA teacher from Batavia HS. Happy to learn with you all tonight #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Hi Katie! #sblchat

In reply to @KatieBudrow

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Hi Adam! #sblchat

In reply to @CoachLesterBHS

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

I'm Garnet, an instructional coach f/the Chicagoland area. Always happy to facilitate this important convo w/my friend @RoweRikW! #sblchat

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Hello #sblchat! Kenny, a LA teacher from VA here, riding back home after a great Spring Break trip! Ready to learn!

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Hi! This is Hannah from Pensacola, Florida #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Good evening Kenny! #sblchat

In reply to @HarkinsEDU

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Gary. Chicagoland. Secondary math ready and reporting for duty! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Welcome Hannah! #sblchat

In reply to @hdszatkowski

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Greetings, Adam! #sblchat

In reply to @CoachLesterBHS

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Aric from Michigan. Ready to learn my #sblchat hind end off :)

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Hi Gary! #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

SB Learning = Standards-Based Learning & SB Grading = Standards-Based Grading. Let's talk the differences Tonight! @garnet_hillman #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

#sblchat Rick Wormeli checking in from Herndon, VA

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

I'm a Elementary Education Reading Instructor at the University of South Alabama. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Good evening Aric! #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Hey Bro! So happy to chat with you! #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Thanks for joining us Rick! #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Mike in Chicagoland, @Teacherease founder... #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Hi Mike! #sblchat

In reply to @xakellis, @TeacherEase

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Rick, grateful to share #sblchat with You!

In reply to @rickwormeli2

hornsclassroom Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Brooke in TX. Middle school ELA & GT Happy to make it back to #sblchat tonight!

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Sylvia ... Title 1 HS Writing Coach ... starting the journey on sbg and sbl #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Welcome Hannah! #sblchat

In reply to @hdszatkowski

Scott_Schaefer Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Scott from Nebraska. Listening in... #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

I totally just realized @RoweRikW tweeted "here we GROW." That guy's so clever, punny. #sblchat

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

#sblchat Gerad Carrier from Tampa. Good evening.

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Glad to have you along Brooke! #sblchat

In reply to @hornsclassroom

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Mike, pleased to welcome you again this week! #sblchat

In reply to @xakellis, @TeacherEase

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Good evening Sylvia! #sblchat

In reply to @SylviaEllison

j_ozbolt Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Jason HS dean from IL ready to learn! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Join the conversation Scott! #sblchat

In reply to @Scott_Schaefer

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Hi Brooke, Welcome! #sblchat

In reply to @hornsclassroom

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Oops ... from Tampa, FL #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Sylvia ... Title 1 HS Writing Coach ... starting the journey on sbg and sbl #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Jumping right in with a gif! I like your style! #sblchat

In reply to @SylviaEllison

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Hey all Mike from Hilton HS near Rochester NY - on my phone until computer updates are done! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Good evening Gerad! #sblchat

In reply to @geradcarrier

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Like this tweet if you're new to #sblchat so we can welcome you to our conversation and excitement!

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Sylvia has started the WAVE! #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Sylvia ... Title 1 HS Writing Coach ... starting the journey on sbg and sbl #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Ken O’Connor, author/consultant. Tonight near Pittsburgh travelling from FL to Toronto. #sblchat

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Nat Vaughn, MS Principal from Medfield, MA #sblchat

CaseyStansifer Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

#sblchat starts now. Join us! @adayinclass3a @halter_mrs @BrunsonHeroes @nikhistrasser @AmandaWaybright

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Hi Jason! Glad to chat with you tonight. #sblchat

In reply to @j_ozbolt

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

#sblchat Hi! My name is Carey, and I teach 5th grade in Columbus, OH. Excited to learn from everyone!

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Listening and participating we hope, Scott! #sblchat

In reply to @Scott_Schaefer

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

So ready Togo tonight #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Hi Ken! Glad you are joining us tonight. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Gerad, pleased to welcome you tonight! #sblchat

In reply to @geradcarrier

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

We have six questions for your consideration tonight. Looking forward to an engaging conversation! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Hi Mike! #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Good evening, #sblchat! April, 7th & 8th ELA teacher, from Normal, IL

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Welcome Nat! #sblchat

In reply to @nat_vaughn

morenomigs Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

#sblchat Miguel from Los Angeles here

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Ken, 7th grade science, Mount Vernon, KY. Stanley Cup hockey night in Kentucky! Go Pens! #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Kirk here from North of Chicago. Teacher of junior high math in a flipped classroom. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Hi Garnet #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Woo-hoo, Ken! 'Dedicated super hero tonight -- Wow! Thanks for joining in the conversation while on the road. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Hi Carey! #sblchat

In reply to @mswrigleysms

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Those darn updates... #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Hey all Mike from Hilton HS near Rochester NY - on my phone until computer updates are done! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Good evening Miguel! #sblchat

In reply to @morenomigs

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Kindly welcome Casey {@CaseyStansifer} to our #sblchat sharing Tonight!

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Hi Rik! #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

#sblchat Hi, Barb from Katy, Tx. It's been a while!

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Thanks for joining us tonight Ken! #sblchat

In reply to @kenmattingly

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

FOMO in full effect #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Howdy partner! #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Hello neighbor! #sblchat

In reply to @kirk_humphreys

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Nat, pleased to see you in the #sblchat HOUSE Tonight!

In reply to @nat_vaughn

MrLencioni Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Mike, former teacher, now with @TeacherEase, joining from Chicagoland. #sblchat

jillgrafton Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Jill from Virginia Love this topic #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

We are glad you are here Barb! #sblchat

In reply to @BarbMiller12

funauntheather Apr 12 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Heather from Missouri! Excited to join you! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Q1 What is the difference between standards based learning and standards based grading? #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Welcome Carey! Nice to have you here! #sblchat

In reply to @mswrigleysms

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Good evening, I'm Ryan, Principal in Northern VA. It's been a really long time! #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Hi #sblchat Megan, from west suburbs of Chicago. I'll be in and out but happy to learn with everyone.

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

M-Squared, Welcome, from R-Squared! #sblchat

In reply to @morenomigs

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Hi MIke! Thanks so much for all your hard work with our teachers. We appreciate you! #sblchat

In reply to @MrLencioni, @TeacherEase

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Hi Jill! #sblchat

In reply to @jillgrafton

mac4cy Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Ken I used your 15 Fixes book as a reference in my capstone for my masters. Thank you for being an inspiration #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 - SB Learning MUST precede SB Grading. Learning based on targets, not assignments, is what made our learning come alive! #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 - SB Learning focuses on the learning targets where SB grading reports the proficiency levels achieved by our Learners. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 Standards Based Learning naturally leads to standards based grading. When learning is criterion referenced, grading must follow! #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

#sblchat Glad to have you, fellow northern Virginian!

In reply to @Ryan_Ferrera

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Good evening Heather! #sblchat

In reply to @funauntheather

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Love seeing Math Dudes here! #sblchat

In reply to @kirk_humphreys

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Hey Megan! #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Hi #sblchat Megan, from west suburbs of Chicago. I'll be in and out but happy to learn with everyone.

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1: Learning is the principles: retakes for 100% credit, report proficiency & behavior separately, late work not academic penalty #sblchat

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1: Part 1: Standards based learning the process the students take to develop a knowledge of the material. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

We are glad you are back Ryan! #sblchat

In reply to @Ryan_Ferrera

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Barb, I see You! #sblchat

In reply to @BarbMiller12

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 It wouldn’t make much sense but you could have SBL without SBG but you can’t have SBG without SBL. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Darn phone I missed Q1 #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1???? SBL is st awareness of the focus; SBG is the measurement of the focused learning #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Q1 What is the difference between standards based learning and standards based grading? #sblchat

hornsclassroom Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1) SBL is the process, the journey that Ss take. SBG is the means of giving feedback along the way. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Mike, we're happy to welcome you tonight! #sblchat

In reply to @MrLencioni, @TeacherEase

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Hi Megan! Hope all is well with you! #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 learning should be the focus, grading just reports the learning. Too many do school just for grades and forget what's important #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

#sblchat Gosh, this is my normal operating procedure in a lot of PD I do! :-)

In reply to @MeganCMoMo

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

Brian Arnot middle school math teacher in Issaquah, Wa. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 SBL is how the classroom functions. Students know the target and work to achieve it in a supportive environment. #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 #SBL = Focusing on learning. Why, what, & how we learn. #SBG = How we report out on it. Behaviors & academics separately. #sblchat

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1: Part 2: Standards Based Grading is how to effectively assess Ss mastery of standards. #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1: Grading is using a 4.0 scale, using work arounds if needed to make an LMS "behave", rubrics that report standards. #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1- SBL is basing Ss outcome on targets. SBG is reporting on those targets. Not reporting on assignments, activities or points. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Q1 What is the difference between standards based learning and standards based grading? #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

And Jill, we love it that you're in the HOUSE! #sblchat

In reply to @jillgrafton

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

Exactly. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 They're similar but SBL makes sure it's about the learning, while SBG can get lost in the calculation. Both're better than trad #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

Steve from Urbandale joining a little late tonight #sblchat

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 SBL answers "Where am I going?" and "What do I need to do to get there?" and SBG answers "Where am I now?" All about clarity #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 SBL is the learning experiences that lead to the desired outcomes. SBG is evidence of achievement of those outcomes. #sblchat.

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1 SBG is simply the grading portion of SBL. At the end of a unit/marking period the teacher (and student) determine the grade. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

RT Q1 What is the difference between standards based learning and standards based grading? #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

What Ken said! #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 It wouldn’t make much sense but you could have SBL without SBG but you can’t have SBG without SBL. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

Q1 What is the difference between standards based learning and standards based grading? #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1: I have seen a few teachers be somewhat loyal to SBL principles while still using points. Not ideal, but a start #sblchat

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1: Yhis question is why im here tonight. Our school is implementing SBG, but no one thus far has mentioned SBL. Eant to know more #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

Brian, welcome! #sblchat

In reply to @brian_arnot

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1:Standard based learning is what starts it all.It's what completely changes the pedagogy of your classroom.SBG is how you report. #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1--They get used interchangeably, but they aren't the same. SBL focuses on what Ss need to learn, SBG is the reporting. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1 SBG is about reporting S level of understanding of LT. NOT to be confused with grading by standard. 1/n #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1 The purpose of SBG is to accurately report on student learning. The purpose of SBL is to increase student achievement. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1 - SBL, does not require SBG #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1 Many of my peers grade (%s) by standard/LT...but that's NOT SBG 2/2 #sblchat

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1 SBL is hopefully the foundation upon which SBG is reporting #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

#sblchat Slight equivocation here: Assessment is different than grading. 'May not want to say one is how to do the other.

In reply to @hdszatkowski

j_ozbolt Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

SBL is the path Ss go on with guidance of Ts. SBG is Ts way to help guide Ss in their learning in regards to specific objectives #sblchat

hornsclassroom Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1) if we as Ts are giving actionable feedback the transfer between SBL and SBG should be ongoing #growthmindset #sblchat

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

#sblchat You get to the NEED for SBG once you move to the use of SBL. too frustrating to use traditional grading with SBL.

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 It wouldn’t make much sense but you could have SBL without SBG but you can’t have SBG without SBL. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Steve, You are always worth waiting for! #sblchat

In reply to @Meffscience

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A1 - SBL is the goal ... if SBG can get you there - cool #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Must it be 4.0? #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

We have shifted at #bmsed from using ‘standards based grading’ to ‘standards based reporting’ - has helped move the needle! #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

honored and thank you #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Steve, You are always worth waiting for! #sblchat
In reply to @Meffscience

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Love a good use of the word 'path' when talking about learning. :) #sblchat

In reply to @j_ozbolt

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

So concise... #sblchat

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1 SBL is hopefully the foundation upon which SBG is reporting #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Why would you have one without the other? #sblchat (curious) 🙂

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

funauntheather Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

SB learning comes b4 SB grading. The horse b4 the cart. Ss need to know the expectations are then Ts grade if Ss understood #sblchat

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1: This ? is why I'm here tonight. My school will be implementing SBG, but thus far has been no mention of SBL. Want to knowmore #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Not at all. I have seen many use 3.0 successfully. Anything much more than that starts to defeat the point of #sblchat IMO

In reply to @mrgarychu

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1: SBL is focusing on hitting the bullseye with standards. SBG is reporting student progress towards those standards #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

#sblchat I'm not entirely agreeing with this, I think. A student's level of understanding is described in reference to identified stndrds.

In reply to @mrgarychu

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1 - Feedback without grades are more powerful ...#sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Why would you have one without the other? #sblchat (curious) 🙂
In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

It's our Journey... #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Love a good use of the word 'path' when talking about learning. :) #sblchat
In reply to @j_ozbolt

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Is it to improve achievement or to improve engagement in learning that hopefully will lead to improved achievement? #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

#sblchat Have I missed something in the interpretation?

In reply to @mrgarychu

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

#sblchat Must have behavior separate from learning targets,

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 #SBL = Focusing on learning. Why, what, & how we learn. #SBG = How we report out on it. Behaviors & academics separately. #sblchat

CVULearns Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Can't stay tonight, but wanted to share our blog: "Newsflash: SBG Does Not Improve Student Learning" #sblchat https://t.co/i7Pr1Ltso7

CivicsEngaged Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1: Great Q & one I hope we can get to in my school district. SBL & SBG require some new thinking about schools & learning #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

What about just two? Got it and not yet. :) #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2, @mrgarychu

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Totally agree w >4.0. What are your feelings about go/no-go? #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Scott from Winnipeg here. Reporting late thanks to sub par internet. Good evening #sblchat I'll try to catch up and keep pace.

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Love the idea of one point rubrics #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

What about just two? Got it and not yet. :) #sblchat
In reply to @Aricfoster2, @mrgarychu

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A1: SBG is only the marking of assessments after learning. SBL is the culture of the classroom that supports learning over grades. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Districts may need to start with SB Learning, then incorporate SB Grading later... #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Why would you have one without the other? #sblchat (curious) 🙂
In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

I have seen elementary teachers do that well, with math especially. Can we agree that 5 or more might be counter productive? #sblchat

In reply to @KatieBudrow, @mrgarychu

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

I like this definition #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A1: SBG is only the marking of assessments after learning. SBL is the culture of the classroom that supports learning over grades. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Carey, you came to the right place! #sblchat

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1: This ? is why I'm here tonight. My school will be implementing SBG, but thus far has been no mention of SBL. Want to knowmore #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

@mswrigleysms Welcome! You have come to the right place.Some of the most amazing education professionals are right in this chat. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Some of my peers organize gbooks by std/LT but use % & pts #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Aaron Blackwelder SW Washington HS English. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Totes. #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2, @KatieBudrow

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Does your school weight marking periods equally based on time, rather than amount of content? If so, ask why? #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

By SBR do you mean with or without grades? #sblchat

In reply to @nat_vaughn

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Right on target, Steve! #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1: SBL is focusing on hitting the bullseye with standards. SBG is reporting student progress towards those standards #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

100% agree ... my Sts struggle with this ... winning over 1 at a time ... so if my focus is on mastering standards then SBL? #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A1 - Feedback without grades are more powerful ...#sblchat
- SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT
  
  Why would you have one without the other? #sblchat (curious) 🙂
  In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

I like this idea #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:15 PM EDT

By SBR do you mean with or without grades? #sblchat
In reply to @nat_vaughn

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Separating behavior from achievement has been a focus in our district lately. #sblchat

In reply to @BarbMiller12

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Still struggling with this Katie... #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

What about just two? Got it and not yet. :) #sblchat
In reply to @Aricfoster2, @mrgarychu

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

#sblchat can you have improved s achievement without improved s engagement?

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Is it to improve achievement or to improve engagement in learning that hopefully will lead to improved achievement? #sblchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Ts can implement certain SBL aspects in classroom but are required to report learning using more traditional grading policy #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Hi Friend! #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@kenoc7 We give feedback on the content standards - not using ‘traditional grades’ #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @kenoc7

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

As educators, we seek to improve student learning and achievement. Standards based practices lead to that in various ways. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

I think SBG collects performance data. SBL uses it to inform instruction and provide meaningful activites that help Ss grow. #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2- SBL needs to come first. It requires a shift in teaching and assessing. W/O understanding what to shift, SBG doesn't work. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2: SBL is by far more important in my opinion. SBG is a result of SBL. Learning comes before grading. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 - Learning > Grading #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 - SB Learning needs to be implemented prior to any methods of grading. Everything starts with the Learning, in my opinion. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 Start with the learning. Changing a letter to a number does not make a difference unless classroom practice is standards based. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Scott, we appreciate your presence in #sblchat Tonight!

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Scott from Winnipeg here. Reporting late thanks to sub par internet. Good evening #sblchat I'll try to catch up and keep pace.

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 - I tried using #SBG this year and kids just figured out in the end I was required to convert to 100pt scale #pointless #sblchat (1/2)

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Oh, wow. What a disconnect! #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A1: SBL is establishing standards for learning. SBG is a means to report. #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2: I've seen more success w/the principles of SBL first. After a staff agrees on ideas, they long for procedure to make it happen #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 SBL comes first. Focus on learning, attending to standards, align assessments and instruction, gradebook will follow. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2: SBL focus is on the LEARNING. SBG is just the reporting of that progress #sblchat

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Nicely said... #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A1: SBG is only the marking of assessments after learning. SBL is the culture of the classroom that supports learning over grades. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 (2/2) so this coming year I am going to go to a #sbl format first #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Might not be for everyone. Depends on your standards and style. Either way, that focus goes to learning ... and that is awesome. #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 Clear articulation of the standards comes first, then I think SBL and SBG comes hand in hand #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2: Standards Based Learning. How can you do SBG without SBL? You can't report on standards if you don't teach them. #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 Implement the learning first. Know your standards and what it looks like to meet them. Reporting that out becomes the easy part. #sblchat

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Q2: Having the end goal in mind when you plan instruction can help narrow your focus on how to effectively reach the goal. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Our school is still there. #sblchat

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Ts can implement certain SBL aspects in classroom but are required to report learning using more traditional grading policy #sblchat
In reply to @RoweRikW

hornsclassroom Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: SBL establishes the necessary mindset in Ss- constant growth with set target to strive for. Learning IS what were in the biz of #sblchat

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 - grades don't help students learn. Implement SBL to create culture of learning that drives students, grades are secondary #sblchat

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Can you have sbg without a focus on standards based learning? #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: although Ts may think implementing SBG would be easier it will be less successful without the SBL. #sblchat

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

#sblchat Agreed Rik. Much easier to coax schools into SBL then it is to coax into SBG. Districts have to need to change grade reporting.

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:14 PM EDT
Districts may need to start with SB Learning, then incorporate SB Grading later... #sblchat
- SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:12 PM EDT
  
  Why would you have one without the other? #sblchat (curious) 🙂
  In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

j_ozbolt Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 SBL is 1 of the 1st steps. You need standards otherwise reporting isn't based on real learning objectives typically #sblchat

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: Learning first, or it's just a mandate that frustrates teachers & confuses kids. Best case-teachers lead the change in a school #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

#sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

This is how I do it. #sblchat

In reply to @KatieBudrow, @Aricfoster2, @mrgarychu

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2?? Still learning ... I started with grading but really > focus on learning/mastering skills with lots of feedback (no grades) #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

#sblchat Personal experience in my school district: SBG fell apart when we declared SBL first, THEN we'll switch to SBG.

In reply to @garnet_hillman

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: I do think that the process is vital though so it is quite a battle for me. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

What @kirk_humphreys said! #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2: SBL is by far more important in my opinion. SBG is a result of SBL. Learning comes before grading. #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A1) I prefer learning objective based learning, in S friendly language. Learning is about the Ss & standards aren't S friendly #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Hey there--Long time. Welcome to #sblchat

pdbiss Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Hey, I went to school with that guy! Hi Steve.
In reply to @Meffscience, @rickwormeli2

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

RT Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2 Learning>>>>>>>> #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

#sblchat 'Strongly recommend simultaneous implementation, as one reinforces and clarifies the other.

In reply to @garnet_hillman

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A1 Not semantics - Is SBG about reporting “progress toward those standards” or achievement on standards? Ach’t & progress not same #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1: SBL is focusing on hitting the bullseye with standards. SBG is reporting student progress towards those standards #sblchat

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2: SBL is key as it indicates the end result - standard achievement. SBL is secondary to success. #sblchat.

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

So POWER-ful!! #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 SBL comes first. Focus on learning, attending to standards, align assessments and instruction, gradebook will follow. #sblchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

I agree. Thought we had to choose one over the other. #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

#sblchat 'Strongly recommend simultaneous implementation, as one reinforces and clarifies the other.
In reply to @garnet_hillman

_ryanpiper Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2 SB learning first! Dig deeper into the priority standards allows you to increase the rigor. Don't forget math practice stds!! #sblchat

Scott_Schaefer Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2: I think SBG first. Seems to move the conversation faster. #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

#sblchat You're cracking me up, Gary! :-)

In reply to @mrgarychu

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

https://t.co/Gp9YBRuYMO #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

When forced into using traditional grading scales, SBL can be a compromise, along with certain grading practices. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Looks like we're going to be chatting more that we already are, @AaronSBlackwel1 😅 #sblchat

In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1, @KatieBudrow, @Aricfoster2, @AaronSBlackwel1

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Yeah, starting with the reporting/grading communicates that this is the only thing that needs to change. #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Love This!! #sblchat

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 - grades don't help students learn. Implement SBL to create culture of learning that drives students, grades are secondary #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

#sblchat I've found the opposite. Once teachers align assessment & instruction to standards (SBL) they found SBG made sense to them

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @garnet_hillman

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Interesting point. Makes me think the answer could be different if asking about a large school division or an individual school #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @garnet_hillman

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Good point. This needs to be clarified for those involved. #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A1 Not semantics - Is SBG about reporting “progress toward those standards” or achievement on standards? Ach’t & progress not same #sblchat
- Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT
  
  A1: SBL is focusing on hitting the bullseye with standards. SBG is reporting student progress towards those standards #sblchat

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

#sblchat A2 Implementing sbg forced me to really focus on my standards.

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

I can agree ... for me determining how I was going to grade led me to SBL ... so for Sts SBL came 1st but for me SBG came first #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 - Learning > Grading #sblchat

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A2 learning should come 1st it a huge mind shift #sblchat welcome from wi

In reply to @CoachLesterBHS

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

#sblchat I see your point, guys, but what gets reported gets done. If there's no urgency to report SBG, it's hard to motivate shift to SBL.

In reply to @BarbMiller12

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

https://t.co/HBpC4LivHw #sblchat

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Faster not aways best Could feel forced and just another mandate. Change needs to be organic and bc it's what is believed to b best #sblchat

In reply to @Scott_Schaefer

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Ken, we are finding this with our early adopters. #sblchat

In reply to @kenmattingly, @rickwormeli2, @garnet_hillman

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

They do support one another, once true standards based practices are in place traditional grading just doesn't fit the bill. #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Pondering this... #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

#sblchat I see your point, guys, but what gets reported gets done. If there's no urgency to report SBG, it's hard to motivate shift to SBL.
In reply to @BarbMiller12

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

amen it's about the mind shift focus on learning not grading #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

SBL was how I started. When I attempted SBG as a 1-4 scale it fell flat on its face. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A2 SBL for sure...but a culture needs to be established AND clear stds need to be written #sblchat

funauntheather Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

My classroom is about learning not grading. Start w SBL, focus on stds & show Ss how they can SEE what they know then move to SBG #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@kenoc7 Would you agree that tools like PowerTeacher provides the progress for parents and then the SBG provides the achievement? #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A1 Not semantics - Is SBG about reporting “progress toward those standards” or achievement on standards? Ach’t & progress not same #sblchat
- Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:13 PM EDT
  
  A1: SBL is focusing on hitting the bullseye with standards. SBG is reporting student progress towards those standards #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Interesting. Didn't think of it like that. :) #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @BarbMiller12

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A2: I'm with @rickwormeli2 on this. SBL and SBG go together. They complement and strengthen each other. #sblchat

walkerjd40 Apr 12 @ 9:22 PM EDT

#sblchat SBL is what we are learning and how we learn it. SBG is showing where students are in their mastery of the standard.

In reply to @garnet_hillman

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A2: 7 years ago I graded theme analysis task &marked kids down 4grammar. I knew something was wrong. I had SBL ideas from doing SBG #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

#Sblchat It's frustrating, though, and seems like a waste of time to tchrs to do SBL w/integrity only to have to jam it into non-SBG report.

In reply to @RoweRikW

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

I agree. I tried SBL b4 SBG, & it was difficult b/c of grades. Doing them both at the same time is the way to go. Mindset change. #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @BarbMiller12

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

#sblchat I think SBL creates the need for SBG. Agree with Rick Wormeli that they work best hand in hand.

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 SBL comes first. Focus on learning, attending to standards, align assessments and instruction, gradebook will follow. #sblchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

Agreed, just not there ... YET! #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

#Sblchat It's frustrating, though, and seems like a waste of time to tchrs to do SBL w/integrity only to have to jam it into non-SBG report.
In reply to @RoweRikW

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A2 - This the hard part for me - living in a non-SBG school #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT

#Sblchat It's frustrating, though, and seems like a waste of time to tchrs to do SBL w/integrity only to have to jam it into non-SBG report.
In reply to @RoweRikW

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM EDT

#sblchat Definitely agree with this -- SBL far more important of the two, but SBG influences SBL choices.

In reply to @RoweRikW, @kirk_humphreys

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM EDT

I think that's what made my decision so easy ... + the fact that I hate grading - giving feedback was much more soothing #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:21 PM EDT

#sblchat I see your point, guys, but what gets reported gets done. If there's no urgency to report SBG, it's hard to motivate shift to SBL.
In reply to @BarbMiller12

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM EDT

A2 Depends on culture & tradition of school/district - what works pressure or support? If pressure can do SBG&R first. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:19 PM EDT

RT Q2 Which leads to more success- implementing standards based learning or standards based grading first? Why or why not? #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Yes, simultaneously. If there had to be an order, SBL first. #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @garnet_hillman

j_ozbolt Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM EDT

A2 a lot depends on mindset of Ts. If they understand the principals and values then the shift to SBL and SBG will be successful #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:24 PM EDT

An SBG environment provides so much more feedback and descriptors FOR better Learning. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT
A2 - This the hard part for me - living in a non-SBG school #sblchat
- rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:23 PM EDT
  
  #Sblchat It's frustrating, though, and seems like a waste of time to tchrs to do SBL w/integrity only to have to jam it into non-SBG report.
  In reply to @RoweRikW

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Q3 When implementing standards based grading, do you use numbers, letters, words, or a combination to report learning? #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

I wish our LMS was better suited for SBG - wondering what you all use & how you communicate proficiency level with Ss + families #sblchat

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

but be cerful so that ur not just replacing grades & avrage 2 numbers its about reaching the standard no matter how long it takes #sblchat

In reply to @PrincipalMKelly, @kenoc7

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A2: Not to mention teaching SBL but not reporting SBG makes it confusing to kids & parents alike. Our high school does that. #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

It could work that way but progress has different words and symbols than achievement. #sblchat

In reply to @Meffscience

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

I agree, but when existing culture is about chasing grades, SBG may be the thing to show them what to chase instead. #sblchat

In reply to @AggieSalterITS, @CoachLesterBHS

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Ya, we've seen customer struggle w/ SBG if they don't do LTs, lessons, and aligned assessments first. It works best together. #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:20 PM EDT

#sblchat I've found the opposite. Once teachers align assessment & instruction to standards (SBL) they found SBG made sense to them
In reply to @rickwormeli2, @garnet_hillman

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A3 At #bmsed we give feedback (reports) on learning skills and content standards #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A3: I report an academic grade that is 100% summative and then "employability" mark on a 4.0 scale for work habits #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 In my district, there is a combination. Teachers use words on rubrics and in convos, numbers and letters on report cards. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 - Our SB Grading still uses traditional report cards so we convert our 4-point scale to a 100-point scale for report cards. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 - Our conversion for the generation of report cards is: 4.0 to 100 3.0 to 80 2.0 to 60 (passing) 1.0 to 40 (not yet passing) #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

Use a 1-4 scale but have to convert eventually to 100pt scale #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Q3 When implementing standards based grading, do you use numbers, letters, words, or a combination to report learning? #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

We use PowerTeacher and going to PowerTeacher Pro in the fall. So far I am very pleased with PowerTeacher Pro @kenoc7 agree? #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

I wish our LMS was better suited for SBG - wondering what you all use & how you communicate proficiency level with Ss + families #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 - Our SB Grading uses: 4.0 - Exemplary (Blue) 3.0 - Proficiency (Green) 2.0 - Approaching (Yellow) 1.0 - Beginning (Red) #sblchat

Knenglishteach Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 I use numbers to report learning. But, those come after feedback/words on previous assignments. Words focus on learning 1st. #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

I'm living in a non-SBG school but asked to "pilot" this year with a colleague - has been a labor of love #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3: Constant timely, narrative, descriptive, action-oriented, standards-referenced feedback on formative with no numbers #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3: Feedback first, then we use 1-4 scale and then at semester we must report a letter grade. #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 I use words - mastery (above), proficiency (met), emerging (almost there) ... then translate to points (4pt scale) #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Q3 When implementing standards based grading, do you use numbers, letters, words, or a combination to report learning? #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

So different routes to the same goal,right? I came to SBG after doing some SBL. It depends on audience and varies by school #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3 Ideally, I would only use words to describe and report learning. Everything would be based on feedback. #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3 Overall as a district, we report out on numbers which correspond to descriptors. Personally, I just use words. #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

What are you using currently? On Skyward now but hopefully TeacherEase next year. Though I'm convinced I can make anything work. #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3: I think that words/feedback is vital. I do think there are appropriate times for letter and numbers but should used wisely. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3 Currently words (verbally), letters (in the gradebook). I'd love to just have conversations, but....school. #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

#sblchat It all starts by becoming evidentiary in assessment, & seeking ethical, honest, accurate reporting. Both are HUGE skillsets to lrn.

In reply to @RoweRikW

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3: We use numbers that have descriptors. 4=Mastery, 3=Proficient, 2=Emergent, 1=Significant Gaps (longer descriptors than this) #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

How about something like this* Just examples but I love them #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

#sblchat Hang in there through thick and thin -- It's worth that labor of love!

In reply to @ChristieNold, @MikeSzczepanik

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3- Feedback, feedback, feedback. Writing a blog post on it now. Then numbers. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Q3 When implementing standards based grading, do you use numbers, letters, words, or a combination to report learning? #sblchat

reneesarmiento5 Apr 12 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A2 SBL and SBG should go hand in hand, but I think it takes longer for districts to move to SBG reporting than does ts to do SBL #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

RT Q3 When implementing standards based grading, do you use numbers, letters, words, or a combination to report learning? #sblchat

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3: I use narrative comments w/o grades at prog rot and qtr. At sem, I do grade/portfolio conference and Ss choose grade. #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3. During our pilot we are using words: emerging, developing, proficient & expanding #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

Exactly ... I also use "replacement" grades ... if you show mastery later then I can go back & change score #sblchat

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

but be cerful so that ur not just replacing grades & avrage 2 numbers its about reaching the standard no matter how long it takes #sblchat
In reply to @PrincipalMKelly, @kenoc7

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3: The vast majority of our customer use 1-4 scale with no letters. #sblchat

HarkinsEDU Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3 ideally, just words. #s encourage averages/comparisons, which isn't learning. Whatever grade, should push Ss to more learning. #sblchat

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3: Our diocese uses 50 - 100 which allows for conversion of the 4-point scale on assignments. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3 On assessments, I /ONLY/ write feedback and comments. No indication of rating. Noticed Ss ONLY look at rating if on paper. #sblchat

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

Amen #sblchat

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT

I agree, but when existing culture is about chasing grades, SBG may be the thing to show them what to chase instead. #sblchat
In reply to @AggieSalterITS, @CoachLesterBHS

funauntheather Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3:don't have SBG YET if we did I think we'd use words and letter grades...the State still uses a GPA for sports eligibility #sblchat

Scott_Schaefer Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3: I use letters that represent a paragraph or so of information. Try to keep the numbers hidden. #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

NEO (was edu2.0). I'm only one of two doing SBG at my school (pilot year) so we've gone "off-grid" and are using a google form #sblchat

In reply to @KatieBudrow

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3: on FA descriptive standards-referenced feedback with no #s. On SA, some feedback with 4-1 descriptor #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

We are going to use 1-4 scale with descriptors for parents. Focusing on feedback for students in the classroom #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3 I use numbers (with descriptors) to report levels. This goes into grade calculation, but now it's based solely on learning #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

I do the same. Feedback on essays. After reflection they get ratings. #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

#sblchat Agreed.

In reply to @MeganCMoMo, @garnet_hillman

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3: I think numbers are broken. Can't always be avoided, but should be when possible to avoid "conversion" into traditional grades. #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

We do this if policy requires it but isn’t it mathematically incorrect? #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3 Tradl grades are updated 4xs per semester. Driven by grade conferences w Ss. They come w evidence and state their grade. #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3--1/2 On formatives, I only leave feedback. No numbers. For summatives I have to use numbers, but I also provide feedback! #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

:-) #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3 Tradl grades are updated 4xs per semester. Driven by grade conferences w Ss. They come w evidence and state their grade. #sblchat

Knenglishteach Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

Like this. I'd like to add in them having do self-eval too. What do you think you got and why. #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:29 PM EDT

I do the same. Feedback on essays. After reflection they get ratings. #sblchat
In reply to @mrgarychu

walkerjd40 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

#sblchat this year we use 1 2 and 3. 3 is mastery. This has been our first year and still having difficulty making Ps and Ss understand

In reply to @garnet_hillman

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

u need to change the mind shift with parents ss and Ts show power of learning have meetings 4 parents & ss there r many resources #sblchat

In reply to @scotthazeu, @CoachLesterBHS

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

So do numbers/marks gonin the gradebook just not on paper? #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

Yes! Thank you! My colleague & I so believe in it. I'm thankful to our admin for letting us go there! #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @MikeSzczepanik

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

I like this ... it means that a 0 is not a crucifix #sblchat ... even if a st chooses to do nothing (instead ask why) #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 - Our conversion for the generation of report cards is: 4.0 to 100 3.0 to 80 2.0 to 60 (passing) 1.0 to 40 (not yet passing) #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

#Sblchat Fun idea -- and maybe pretty enticing for students!

In reply to @Meffscience

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Isn't it difficult volleying between two systems #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 - Our SB Grading still uses traditional report cards so we convert our 4-point scale to a 100-point scale for report cards. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Using mathematics to "calculate" a grade is just wrong in my book. Remember, I'm a HS Math teacher. #STOPIT #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

We do this if policy requires it but isn’t it mathematically incorrect? #sblchat
In reply to @RoweRikW

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A3--2/3 Ss react much better to feedback only--they don't turn the learning off. They keep working to address the feedback! #sblchat #WINWIN

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A3 What's great is after some modeling, time, Ss get REALLY good at rating/grading themselves #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

That's smart, the Google Form. Hopefully you are making it work OK. I'm not familiar with NEO, but it's cool that you are piloting! #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

I wish PowerSchool put the standards front and centre. Right now you need to drill deep to see them. #sblchat

In reply to @Meffscience, @kenoc7

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Understand the "have to" (provincial policy in Ontario) but true SBG doesn’t do this. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT
Use a 1-4 scale but have to convert eventually to 100pt scale #sblchat
- garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:25 PM EDT
  
  Q3 When implementing standards based grading, do you use numbers, letters, words, or a combination to report learning? #sblchat

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

#sblchat Exemplary100 Proficien88 Emerging75 Novice65

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A3 We've been told we will be using words to mark papers, but symbols on report cards. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Bingo! Marks go in after Ss work thru corrections/reflection of assessment #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo

reneesarmiento5 Apr 12 @ 9:32 PM EDT

A3 This is where it gets tricky as our district uses a % + letter based report card so Ts are caught in the middle! #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:32 PM EDT

That was/is my biggest hurdle...myself. I wanted it to make sense mathematically. You can ask @garnet_hillman . I was my own enemy. #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:32 PM EDT

The transition can be hard - grading practices are well rooted and tough to change. #sblchat

In reply to @walkerjd40

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A3 At the point where I am trying to get Ss to completely own learning/grades. I'd say after sem1 it can be done w most (hs) Ss #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

One of many reasons we eliminated marking periods. #sblchat

In reply to @AggieSalterITS, @kenoc7

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

I wonder this, too. Now that I'm swimming in the waters of SBG, I have trouble considering converting - how do we average skills? #sblchat

In reply to @KRScienceLady

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

Yes, it's awkward. But our Learners are digging the SBL even if our district is still traditional grading. #sblchat

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Isn't it difficult volleying between two systems #sblchat
- RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:26 PM EDT
  
  A3 - Our SB Grading still uses traditional report cards so we convert our 4-point scale to a 100-point scale for report cards. #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

So it until they get to proficiency? Doesn't that still communicate something. #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A3 numbers and rubrics 4 every standard comunicated 2 ss #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

It's so hard to watch the Cubs game and keep up with this amazing #sblchat tonight. #gocubs

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

#sblchat A single word is just a bunch of symbols put in meaningful order. It can be as judging as a single symbol, and thus, limit learning

In reply to @mswrigleysms

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

I have trouble with “Ss choosing grade.” IMO determine grades is a T’s professional responsibility. #sblchat

In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

SO. MUCH. TRUTH. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:32 PM EDT

The transition can be hard - grading practices are well rooted and tough to change. #sblchat
In reply to @walkerjd40

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Q4 With many colleges/universities using traditional grading practices, how can the focus remain on learning for HS students? #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

#sblchat I get their intent, however. I would just move toward no aggregate judgement at all.

In reply to @mswrigleysms

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

NOT over time. If at all, how kids performed on a summative that addresses multiple skills. Ideally report all skills individually #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold, @KRScienceLady

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

I know, we love numbers WHEN appropriate #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

oh my...we don't need to get into that story. The important part- math is left w/the standards, and learning is reported w/levels #sblchat

In reply to @kirk_humphreys, @RoweRikW

scotthazeu Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Totally agree, but without SBG reporting the SBL is much more difficult to see. I would want simultaneous implementation #sblchat.

In reply to @AggieSalterITS, @CoachLesterBHS

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Not that I'm aware of...yet! #sblchat

In reply to @funauntheather

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

How has that helped with Sts motivation? In theory, it sounds awesome & I want it to succeed ... not heard of use results #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:33 PM EDT

One of many reasons we eliminated marking periods. #sblchat
In reply to @AggieSalterITS, @kenoc7

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

LMS is district driven SBG is driven by personal philosophy & inching toward a VT edu act that I really believe in #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @AaronSBlackwel1, @KatieBudrow

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

But what about self-reporting? or at the very least having input in their grade? #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @AaronSBlackwel1

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

A4- If Ss REALLY want to be ready for college, they need to learn. Good grades mean nothing if you've learned nothing. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Q4 With many colleges/universities using traditional grading practices, how can the focus remain on learning for HS students? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4 In the K-12 setting our charge is to prepare students for the next step. The best way we can do that is by focusing on learning. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4 - Our HS Math Learners focus on the Learning, Application, and Relevance while letting the grades reflect them. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4 - Since switching to SB Learning, more and more college students thank us for the focus on the Learning, not the grades. #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4 If you are communicating to Ps and Ss ... colleges should also be communicated to #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Q4 With many colleges/universities using traditional grading practices, how can the focus remain on learning for HS students? #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4: I think more colleges are starting to adopt SBL principles, but it is still a good question. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Yes, but what I've found is if I write a descriptor /anywhere/ on an assmnt, they are fixed on it (even w growth mindset training) #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Only when really necessary. Otherwise... #STOPIT! #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

I know, we love numbers WHEN appropriate #sblchat
In reply to @RoweRikW

Knenglishteach Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4: We can only focus on what we can control. We need to make sure Ss have knowledge on how to learn. So what if you can memorize. #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4 We prepare Ss for any future by maximizing their learning. SBL/SBG does this. They are better prepped for college because of it #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:35 PM EDT

There are requirements. Ss are asked 3 Qs: 1. Have u met all Stndrds? 2. Can u show growth? 3. Can u be creative to meet Stndrds? #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4 Great question ... is it merely a translation acceptance? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Q4 With many colleges/universities using traditional grading practices, how can the focus remain on learning for HS students? #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4 - Our HS Math Learners return from college sharing how thankful they are we centered around Learning, not just grades. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4 Language is very powerful in the classroom. Ts need to change how they talk to Ss about learning and grading. They will follow. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Couldn't agree more with anything...except maybe what's being tweeted on #sblchat

In reply to @kirk_humphreys

nat_vaughn Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4 Focus should always be on learning - need to adjust reporting/feedback practices to foster learning, reflection, and growth #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4: Our high school is trying to implement SBL with traditional grades. It's so hard. #sblchat

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Oh, how I wish. #sblchat

In reply to @PrincipalMKelly, @AggieSalterITS, @kenoc7

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4: we are PREPARING kids for real world/college. If they LEARN (with SBL), they should be fine for college #sblchat

j_ozbolt Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4 learning is a life skill no matter the way feedback is given. Some colleges understand and embrace SBL #sblchat

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

If you mark it as practice when you put it in the gradebook, you have the data, can track progress, but doesn't affect grade. #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

dr_helgeson Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4: the power of feedback for the growth of all Ss #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

#sblchat Remember, remember, remember: We do what is pedagogically effective and ethical, regardless of what colleges choose to do!

In reply to @garnet_hillman

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

trying 2 wrap my head around distinction between sb learning & proficiency based learning and reporting.yes there is difference #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3. During our pilot we are using words: emerging, developing, proficient & expanding #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

GPA's are up and failures are down. #sblchat

In reply to @SylviaEllison

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

#sblchat Remember, remember, remember: We do what is pedagogically effective and ethical, regardless of what colleges choose to do!
In reply to @garnet_hillman

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

RT Q4 With many colleges/universities using traditional grading practices, how can the focus remain on learning for HS students? #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: It must be about learning for as long as it can be. I won't do something less ethical because their next teacher might not. #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4. I wonder if this shift might have an impact on higher education, too. Move us all toward a focus on learning anchored in S #sblchat

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: Focus on SBL for the learning. Then convert the 4-point scale to a corresponding percentage/letter for transcripts #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: As long as we focus on the learning, HS students (or any Ss) will be fine. They can adapt. #sblchat

walkerjd40 Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

#sblchat my school uses a separate SBG report card, but then still does Honor Roll using traditional grading. Confusing for all!!

In reply to @reneesarmiento5

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

I agree but @leeannjung says mathematically you can go from larger to smaller (% to levels) but not from smaller to larger. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT
Using mathematics to "calculate" a grade is just wrong in my book. Remember, I'm a HS Math teacher. #STOPIT #sblchat
- kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT
  
  We do this if policy requires it but isn’t it mathematically incorrect? #sblchat
  In reply to @RoweRikW

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

Right there with you... #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4: Our high school is trying to implement SBL with traditional grades. It's so hard. #sblchat

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: As a college instructor, I focus on learning, feedback, and growth so HS students still benefit from a learning mindset. #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

This is what keeps me ardently passionate and stalwart about #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

#sblchat Remember, remember, remember: We do what is pedagogically effective and ethical, regardless of what colleges choose to do!
In reply to @garnet_hillman

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

yes feedback is not grades! once u place a grade the learning stops #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @Meffscience

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

I weight everything as 0 already. And there is a running tab of what they received on successive assessments #sblchat

In reply to @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

#sblchat Our first responsibility is to our sts' current learning and maturation, NOT to their perseverance thru uninformed practices later.

In reply to @garnet_hillman

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Do you grade formative assessments? #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3--1/2 On formatives, I only leave feedback. No numbers. For summatives I have to use numbers, but I also provide feedback! #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

This is huge #sblchat

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT

yes feedback is not grades! once u place a grade the learning stops #sblchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @Meffscience

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Oh! I'd love to hear more! I was not thinking of that distinction #sblchat

In reply to @KRScienceLady

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

That is awesome! #sblchat ... is there a blog about the process & results? Or a resource to guide us?

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

GPA's are up and failures are down. #sblchat
In reply to @SylviaEllison

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Needed this reminder, @rickwormeli2. Thanks! #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

#sblchat Remember, remember, remember: We do what is pedagogically effective and ethical, regardless of what colleges choose to do!
In reply to @garnet_hillman

reneesarmiento5 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A4 Tough Q here! I often wonder when and how a full alignment will take place in terms of SBL and SBG #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Gonna chew on that one for a few =) #sblchat

In reply to @barbihnen

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

#sblchat That dedication to real learning, maturation in MS/HS will create exactly what they need to weather misguided thinking later.

In reply to @garnet_hillman

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Helping parents and community on board is a big piece of the puzzle #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:32 PM EDT

The transition can be hard - grading practices are well rooted and tough to change. #sblchat
In reply to @walkerjd40

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

I want to emphasize growth and learning. Have any of you found Ss are more concerned about 4s than learning? #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Most of us don't put numbers on formatives-only words of feedback. This works if final grade is 100% summative #sblchat

In reply to @KRScienceLady

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Reminds me when I used our school heating issues...on average, our classroom temp was perfect. Made the point. #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

MrOzarka Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A4-By tying grades into learning. Give Ss no choice but to master standards to get the grade they want. They'll get the idea. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

No. I used to, but then Ss rarely read my feedback. Since I've stopped, Ss RELY on my feedback to improve understanding. #sblchat

In reply to @KRScienceLady

trelarott Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Kids on spring break, I'm digging deeper into standards based grading refining what I already do. Scary? Not so much. #sblchat #jhawkproud

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:36 PM EDT

GPA's are up and failures are down. #sblchat
In reply to @SylviaEllison

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

There goes @Aricfoster2 using big words again....... #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2, @Aricfoster2

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A4: Assuming quality assessments are in place, SBG prepares students for college by ensuring they learned content in HS. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Research shows students ignore feedback if you provide scores too. #sblchat

In reply to @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.

In reply to @garnet_hillman

leeannjung Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

True! We can reduce data but not expand it. And I agree that calculating it isn't a good way to get the grade. #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:37 PM EDT
I agree but @leeannjung says mathematically you can go from larger to smaller (% to levels) but not from smaller to larger. #sblchat
- RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:31 PM EDT
  
  Using mathematics to "calculate" a grade is just wrong in my book. Remember, I'm a HS Math teacher. #STOPIT #sblchat
  
  kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:30 PM EDT
  
  We do this if policy requires it but isn’t it mathematically incorrect? #sblchat
  In reply to @RoweRikW

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat But let me tell you how I really feel.... :-)

In reply to @garnet_hillman

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

I was JUST reading a research article about it today. #nojoke #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Hope you enjoy what I sent you earlier today! #sblchat

In reply to @brynmw

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A4:How many colleges are starting to focus less on grades since they are so inaccurate nowadays? @rickwormeli2 @kenoc7 @leeannjung #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

I have a few posts about it on my blog: https://t.co/yqQXcx056c #sblchat

In reply to @SylviaEllison

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Hopefully w/ SBL/SBG we have moved ss to be true learners and that mind shift follows to college regardless of grading system #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

There you go again bringing the "realness" (as the kids say, or at least I think they say...I am old) #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.
In reply to @garnet_hillman

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

So when your Ss only see 1-4 SBG scale as grade semantics ... what to do? #sblchat @kenoc7

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Research shows students ignore feedback if you provide scores too. #sblchat
In reply to @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Or develop SB transcripts. #sblchat

In reply to @geradcarrier

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Hopefully not too many... #sblchat

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

I want to emphasize growth and learning. Have any of you found Ss are more concerned about 4s than learning? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

#preach I am right with you! However, the struggle is real and we need to keep up the good fight! #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Yeah Rick, quit sugar coating it for us. We can take it : ) #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat But let me tell you how I really feel.... :-)
In reply to @garnet_hillman

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Lots of educators at all levels need to read @rickwormeli2 last 20 minutes of tweets. It's a manifesto for what needs to be done #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.
In reply to @garnet_hillman

ryanjgrady Apr 12 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A4: Very much looking forward to progress with @MastTranscript https://t.co/6gxX9mJlH7 … I see amazing potential there! #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman, @MastTranscript

CraigLCarson Apr 12 @ 9:42 PM EDT

#sblchat at times they can be. Part of it has to do with what you celebrate. Celebrate the growth as much or more than the 4's.

In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:42 PM EDT

I also wonder about the role of feedback on summative work - if Ss can't revise, why concern self w/feedback? #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Research shows students ignore feedback if you provide scores too. #sblchat
In reply to @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

PrincipalMKelly Apr 12 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Part of our school's story on eliminating marking periods: https://t.co/Jj0MVclyjt #sblchat

RameyEDU Apr 12 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Stop making excuses about why our students are not growing. Be better, get help, do more. | #edchat #education #tlap #sblchat

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:42 PM EDT

It was awesome, Rik. Loving the learning. Fits in with #sblchat with reflective learning, not numbers and checklists.

In reply to @RoweRikW

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Makes me happy because I believe formatives should B used to help me understand S learning & change my instruction when necessary #sblchat

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:39 PM EDT

No. I used to, but then Ss rarely read my feedback. Since I've stopped, Ss RELY on my feedback to improve understanding. #sblchat
In reply to @KRScienceLady

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Q5 How often do you grade in a standards based learning environment? #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Should any work truly be summative? Why not revise and rework? @MeganCMoMo and I talked about this today. #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold, @MeganCMoMo

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

But summative can become formative when there is more do to... #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Is anything really summative? #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold

technolandy Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Just talked about this with a staff member as we try to create a way to blend efolios with 'checks along the way' #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Yes, yes yes - and colleges are changing - see MIT, Wellesley, Drake. #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.
In reply to @garnet_hillman

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

A4: I allow editing and resubmissions based on feedback. The grade is necessary for my school but isn't the focus. #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Only when the students leave for the summer (unless you go an bug them all summer long) : ) #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Is anything really summative? #sblchat
In reply to @ChristieNold

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

What did you come up with? #sblchat

technolandy Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Just talked about this with a staff member as we try to create a way to blend efolios with 'checks along the way' #sblchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Things are only summative in my room when the students says it is. Only then does it go in the gradebook. #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @ChristieNold

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Which leads me to think I should either always let Ss revise or really focus my feedback on steps along the way #sblchat

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

On our website we have list of colleges universities which accept proficiency based transcripts #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT

#sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.
In reply to @garnet_hillman

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A5 Grading happens when students are proficient with the standards or at the end of the marking period, whichever comes first. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A5 - In our SB Learning environment, we daily assess for proficiency, but hold off recording grades until we reach Proficiency. #sblchat

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

I agree but the district does not - so we do the best we can. #sblchat.

In reply to @kenoc7

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A5- Grade? As little as possible. Give feedback? Every second I can. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Q5 How often do you grade in a standards based learning environment? #sblchat

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A4: Grades are important for college now, but the more teachers and learning advocates speak up this antediluvian model will die. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Depends. We ARE constrained by time to some extent. #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @ChristieNold

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

As adult learners, feedback will allow future learning, that might not be in our class. #sblchat

In reply to @ChristieNold

technolandy Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Shared w a staff member how I had been using descriptive feedback no gradebook (putting outcomes up top instead of tasks helped) #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

walkerjd40 Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

#sblchat it is our job to teach the standards so they can be successful at college.

In reply to @kirk_humphreys

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A5 I give feedback constantly, but grading comes at end of unit. Ss can continue to work and improve grade after summative though #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5 For my #pbl room, we conference for a grade about six or seven times a year (depends on how the projects shake out). #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

#sblchat More and more universities are changing grading/assessment practices. Easier to do in smaller upper level courses, but 'happening!

In reply to @Meffscience, @kenoc7, @leeannjung

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5 - We have a "Culture of Feedback", than fret about grades, since grades tend to halt the learning. #sblchat @plugusin @mrscienceteach

Scott_Schaefer Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5: Whenever I feel students have had a chance to practice and receive feedback on all proficiency levels connected to the topic. #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5 not even once/week ... I tell Sts always "I don't grade learning or practice" then I allow for resubmits & replacements #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Q5 How often do you grade in a standards based learning environment? #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5: I only put grades that contribute numerically towards final grade in the book 6 times a year, at summative times #sblchat

Meffscience Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

Drake University --Right here in Des Moines, Iowa #sblchat @tombuckmiller @gdstilwell

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Yes, yes yes - and colleges are changing - see MIT, Wellesley, Drake. #sblchat
- rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT
  
  #sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.
  In reply to @garnet_hillman

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5: in the past, I'd grade when preparing for provincial exams, so Ss could learn where they needed to grow. #sblchat

technolandy Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

Sigh - a work in progress - gonna blog it out on my days-of-learning blog https://t.co/8OMeVTEFOi for help later tonight #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5 When athletics starts at the beginning of the year...and then a few times per semester ONLY after conferences w each S #sblchat

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

I really like this idea #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Things are only summative in my room when the students says it is. Only then does it go in the gradebook. #sblchat
In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @ChristieNold

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

RT Q5 How often do you grade in a standards based learning environment? #sblchat

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

I do too. I just worry that on paper or the grade book kids will still look at the number. #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu, @xakellis

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Yes!! #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

#sblchat More and more universities are changing grading/assessment practices. Easier to do in smaller upper level courses, but 'happening!
In reply to @Meffscience, @kenoc7, @leeannjung

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

#sblchat Many times, it's a dept, schl w/in larger university that leads the way. I'm calling on all Ed Depts to lead other departments!

In reply to @Meffscience, @kenoc7, @leeannjung

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Website is ??? #sblchat

In reply to @KRScienceLady

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Yes!! Need more like buttons 💜 #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT
A5- Grade? As little as possible. Give feedback? Every second I can. #sblchat
- garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT
  
  Q5 How often do you grade in a standards based learning environment? #sblchat

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A5 Formative assessments occur every few weeks, summative assessments about once a month with retakes at the end of the trimester. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

So cool. Is that shareable? Would be great to develop list and promote to schools/students. #sblchat

In reply to @KRScienceLady

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:46 PM EDT

that's hurd @ 1st but they will come once they try2 understand food always works we had parent meeting once a week letters on media #sblchat

In reply to @barbihnen, @scotthazeu, @CoachLesterBHS

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Do you average or use a different way? #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A5: I only put grades that contribute numerically towards final grade in the book 6 times a year, at summative times #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Using numbers as descriptors/quantifiers? #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo, @xakellis

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Actually, our mission is to help our Students Learn, right? #sblchat

walkerjd40 Apr 12 @ 9:44 PM EDT

#sblchat it is our job to teach the standards so they can be successful at college.
In reply to @kirk_humphreys

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5: Ss get grades when they have the ability to grow and gain proficiency. A grade is not set in stone because learning isn't. #sblchat

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5: I avoid it altogether. I let the Ss grade. I assess and give feedback constantly. #sblchat

Knenglishteach Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5 Not as much as I used to. LOTS of feedback. Lots of practice before that summative. #sblchat

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

BAM!!!#sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Things are only summative in my room when the students says it is. Only then does it go in the gradebook. #sblchat
In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @ChristieNold

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

District used to require 18 grades/9 wk qtr. This year supt changed to 9. Positive step.Need to ensure good FA practices in place. #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5. Far less than in the past. Focus is on practice & feedback. I use practice to inform instruction #sblchat

NoNameRetweeter Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

KRScienceLady : BAM!!!#sblchat https://t.co/Z8SYORBcmL (via Twitter https://t.co/dmqL6dwUiK)

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT
BAM!!!#sblchat
- KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT
  
  Things are only summative in my room when the students says it is. Only then does it go in the gradebook. #sblchat
  In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @ChristieNold

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Do you grade the formative assessments? #sblchat

In reply to @brian_arnot

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Heck yes! Until the last day of school (or as close as possible) #sblchat

In reply to @CoachLesterBHS, @ChristieNold

reneesarmiento5 Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A5 An actual grade should follow achievement of learning goal or when formatives show mastery has been achieved #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Shameless plug for a webinar @mrstnocella and I are doing on SBG & the game of school https://t.co/d6QVPzWPTp #sblchat #sorrynotsorry

MeganCMoMo Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Descriptors #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu, @xakellis

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

We have to change how athletic eligibility is done and stop it controlling grading. #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

I've debated on how much to share ... not seeing (with high absences) led to no work ... showing increased focus but frustration #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

And maybe de-emphasize athletics a little? It's kinda ridiculous sometimes...... #studentsFIRST #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

I would agree. I have implemented more formative feedback without grades. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo, @mrgarychu

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Suggestions? It's one of the bigger questions I get when working with schools. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @mrgarychu

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Where do you keep completed activities if you record the grade later? Filing cabinet? Secret spot in GB? Just wondering... #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Agree - we are using the behavioral component for eligibility. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7, @mrgarychu

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Still way too many unless they are grades for standards not assessments. #sblchat

In reply to @Ryan_Ferrera

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:50 PM EDT

#sblchat Summative is always just one, arbitrariliy determined check-in of evidence, nothing more than that. We're ceaselessly formative!

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik, @ChristieNold

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:50 PM EDT

So important for Ed depts to model this! @SFU had p/f courses in PDP that really showed me importance of learning, not grading #sblchat

In reply to @rickwormeli2, @Meffscience, @kenoc7, @leeannjung, @SFU

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Interesting! #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenoc7

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:50 PM EDT

#sblchat I agree with you, Rick, and this is why I'm so confused about what we're doing. We're told this is what we're doing without any...

In reply to @rickwormeli2

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:50 PM EDT

This helped me not give compliance grades/ busy work ... focus =feedback to standards made planning ⬆️important - no time to waste #sblchat

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:47 PM EDT

District used to require 18 grades/9 wk qtr. This year supt changed to 9. Positive step.Need to ensure good FA practices in place. #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

A5: Students tell me when they are ready to assess summatively. Reassessment is always available as well. #sblchat

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

The S grade their own papers as I go over the rubric with them. I then look over them to determine next steps. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

I also think some of our Ss who could benefit most are held back - I see athletics bring focus, mentorship, engagement, etc. #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

We have to change how athletic eligibility is done and stop it controlling grading. #sblchat
In reply to @mrgarychu

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#sblchat ...logical reason or research to back it up. It seems counter to everything I've read on the topic.

In reply to @rickwormeli2

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

I mean, they'll look eventually. I hide them in the gb until they submit corrections & reflection #sblchat

In reply to @MeganCMoMo, @xakellis

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

We keep their progress in a custom developed database that we can search, sort and query. #sblchat

xakellis Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Where do you keep completed activities if you record the grade later? Filing cabinet? Secret spot in GB? Just wondering... #sblchat
In reply to @RoweRikW

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

Yes! And become continuous learners in all their life's situations. #sblchat (not all Ss go to colleges)

In reply to @RoweRikW

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#sblchat. https://t.co/RGG37D9eCb

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

Should be grade per standard. Grading regulation is not there yet. #sblchat

In reply to @kenoc7

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Q6 Can standards based learning function within a traditional grading system? Why or why not? #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Athletic eligibility should be based on attendance and engagement in learning/learning behaviours NOT achievement/grades. #sblchat

In reply to @kenmattingly, @mrgarychu

GoveiaSS Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

How does this work for you guys? We are continuously wanting a better eligibility process! #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

MelissaSpadin Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A lit Wednesday night- when @kenoc7 replies to @rickwormeli2 in a Twitter chat about #SBL and #SBG #sblchat #litaf

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:43 PM EDT
Yes, yes yes - and colleges are changing - see MIT, Wellesley, Drake. #sblchat
- rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:40 PM EDT
  
  #sblchat Preserving antiquated, misguided grading practices in secondary levels because that's what colleges do is educational malpractice.
  In reply to @garnet_hillman

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

We are using the behavioral side for eligibility this year. #sblchat

In reply to @kenmattingly, @kenoc7, @mrgarychu

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@rickwormeli2 thanks for the RT. You're making 2017 THAT much better 😭 #sblchat

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Right!!!! Changing cultures require changing learning systems. #sblchat

JamesLove31 Apr 12 @ 9:48 PM EDT

In 50s culture shifted from manufacturing to management culture, now to #Startup culture. Whole new models needed for new challenges.
In reply to @brynmw, @kondrik4

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6 Not ideal, but it can work. Again, SBL must come before to SBG. Conversions are feasible when required. #sblchat

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6 Sure! Healthy learning practices can function anywhere. Might not be ideal but focusing squarely on learning is always good! #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6 - I'd say that a SB Learning environment can exist while still reporting in a traditional way. It often starts this way. #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

IF students understand how to use feedback #sblchat

In reply to @AaronSBlackwel1, @brian_arnot, @kenoc7, @xakellis, @MeganCMoMo

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

Being honest ... how many new tchrs even have discussions on grading practices ... need more of these 💜 chats #sblchat

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

#sblchat Try to get your admin up to speed on instructional impact of descriptive feedback. Every single book on it says, "no judgement."

In reply to @mswrigleysms

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

#sblchat Great thoughts tonight, friends. Checking out a little early. Thanks to Rik and Garnet. Knowledgeable hosts, as always!

leeannjung Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

The ones who are doing it right are. :-) Getting away from % is the key. Categories R OK. #sblchat

In reply to @Meffscience, @rickwormeli2, @kenoc7

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

#sblchat Since they seem interested in sts' self-monitoring and feedback, they better live up to the promise, end the hypocrisy.

In reply to @mswrigleysms

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6: It CAN happen, but SHOULD it? Prolly not. #sblchat

technolandy Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

Hmmm what about academic ineligibility for students not focused on physical activity and fitness? #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenmattingly, @kenoc7, @mrgarychu

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

RT Q6 Can standards based learning function within a traditional grading system? Why or why not? #sblchat

kirk_humphreys Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6: Yes. I feel that any integration of SBL/SBG is better than none at all. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

We appreciate you, Barb! #sblchat @garnet_hillman

BarbMiller12 Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

#sblchat Great thoughts tonight, friends. Checking out a little early. Thanks to Rik and Garnet. Knowledgeable hosts, as always!

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6- Not well. It's certainly an improvement, but requires so much distortion of achievement that true picture can't be communicated #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Q6 Can standards based learning function within a traditional grading system? Why or why not? #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6 I feel I'm making it work ... as the lone TCHR piloting the idea, I take a lot of time talking with parents/admin #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Q6 Can standards based learning function within a traditional grading system? Why or why not? #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Me EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. #sblchat

In reply to @CoachLesterBHS, @rickwormeli2

MikeSzczepanik Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6 - Working on it! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Q6 Can standards based learning function within a traditional grading system? Why or why not? #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6: allowing retakes for 100% full credit and not penalizing work habits in academic grade are two ways #sblchat

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6: it does function with the help of amazing disruptive educators. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Every success in your Webinar/Conversation! 'Looks great -- and so needed! #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu

KatieBudrow Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Awesome answer. :) #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6: I believe that SBL with traditional grading is not perfect but better than the past. Grading is still related to standards. #sblchat.

davenport78 Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7 Parts of it. Too much extra go into that letter grade. And what does an A or a B really mean? Difference between an 89 and 90%? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

Want to continue the conversation? Join our Standards Based Learning and Grading Facebook page! https://t.co/YxBLoay7cQ #sblchat

leeannjung Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A course I had at Auburn in the 90s was mastery. Everyone got an A & HAD 2 earn it. #sblchat

In reply to @brynmw, @rickwormeli2, @Meffscience, @kenoc7, @SFU

Ryan_Ferrera Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6 T's who really get SBL can work around the traditional infrastructure to report grade based on learning. Makes it harder though #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

I think you're getting at sports being a carrot to be successful in the classroom...and is there a similar carrot for others(?) #sblchat

In reply to @technolandy, @garnet_hillman, @kenmattingly, @kenoc7

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

Thank You! #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A6: allowing retakes for 100% full credit and not penalizing work habits in academic grade are two ways #sblchat

j_ozbolt Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6 it can work, but it is really tough to do and you have to have a strong mindset and stick to your values #sblchat

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6: Although not ideal, I do think that SBL can effectively occur with numbers/letters. Focus needs to be on feedback and growth. #sblchat

technolandy Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6 even though I am promoting efolios, I still have to create a letter for a Permanent Record - we do a holistic portfolio review #sblchat

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

only if it's focused on learning not avrage just the final sumative no matter who long it takes #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

reneesarmiento5 Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6 It is happening as we focus on SBL even if SBG is not fully in place. Focus on Ss learning #sblchat

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6 Yes it can. When grades focus on learning instead of activity (SBL) thats an improvement over status quo. Not ideal but.... #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A6 Initially, I'd say yes. But one thing leads to another...and ya know... #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A6. Honestly, not sure. Yes SBL should be the focus, but shifting a culture away from grades & toward learning - harder w/grades #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

If tonight's #sblchat helped to put you on the right track, thank @garnet_hillman for curating tonight's tough questions. Let's hear it!

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Educators: 'An excellent resource on colleges and grading practices. Please give it a read. #sblchat

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#sblchat. https://t.co/RGG37D9eCb

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

I HATE WHEN Ts CAP RETAKES. 😡😡😡😡😡 #sblchat

In reply to @Aricfoster2

brynmw Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

It is the opening of the door to the outside world of learning. Can't step outside to #sbg without opening the door of #sbl #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6 - I'd say that a SB Learning environment can exist while still reporting in a traditional way. It often starts this way. #sblchat

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:56 PM EDT

https://t.co/RGG37D9eCb #sblchat

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Please tweet a link.
In reply to @KRScienceLady

mswrigleysms Apr 12 @ 9:57 PM EDT

#sblchat Do you have suggestions on what to show my admin? Thanks.

In reply to @rickwormeli2

garnet_hillman - Moderator Apr 12 @ 9:57 PM EDT

Wow, what a great hour of learning! Thanks to everyone and especially @RoweRikW for leading the charge! #sblchat

ChristieNold Apr 12 @ 9:57 PM EDT

If learning is meaningful, relevant & engaging do we need a carrot? #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu, @technolandy, @garnet_hillman, @kenmattingly, @kenoc7

CoachLesterBHS Apr 12 @ 9:57 PM EDT

It's absurd. If a learner wants to write an essay 57 times, who am I to stop them? I'll read it every single time. #sblchat

In reply to @mrgarychu, @Aricfoster2

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:57 PM EDT

Not ideal but... Exactly what I was thinking. If that is a teacher's first step to #sblchat amazingness, then so be it.

kenmattingly Apr 12 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A6 Yes it can. When grades focus on learning instead of activity (SBL) thats an improvement over status quo. Not ideal but.... #sblchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman

geradcarrier Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Thanks for the evening everyone. #sblchat

kenoc7 Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Thanks to @garnet_hillman for great questions and all participants for great prof’al dialogue. #sblchat

In reply to @RoweRikW, @garnet_hillman, @garnet_hillman

rickwormeli2 Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

#sblchat I wrote about this in an upcoming book, Can send rough draft of that section if interested: Use rwormeli@cox.net to request it.

In reply to @kenmattingly, @kenoc7, @mrgarychu

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Thank you @garnet_hillman @RoweRikW @rickwormeli2 & others for increasing my learning #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Why does this hour go by so quickly??! #sblchat

MelissaSpadin Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman I would love to see more presentations on #SBL and #SBG at assessment conferences- so interrelated! #sblchat

KRScienceLady Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

We have other resources on our pages. We are working on more. It is a learning process for us all #sblchat https://t.co/2LmN461LZC

joslynkatz Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A6 working on changing the reporting so Ts don't have to anymore. So many Ts have created their own report cards to send home! #sblchat

AaronSBlackwel1 Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Thanks again to @RoweRikW and @garnet_hillman for their leadership and dedication. #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Sylvia, we are better together! #sblchat

SylviaEllison Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Thank you @garnet_hillman @RoweRikW @rickwormeli2 & others for increasing my learning #sblchat

Aricfoster2 Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Thanks so much @garnet_hillman @RoweRikW @mrgarychu @kenoc7 @kenmattingly @rickwormeli2 for an awesome chat. Ya dun made me smarter #sblchat

hdszatkowski Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Thank you all for refreshing and reinforcing perspectives on this! #sblchat

RoweRikW Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

It's over??? #sblchat

mrgarychu Apr 12 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Why does this hour go by so quickly??! #sblchat

ChristinaMLuce Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

in those cases focus is on the feedback and not the grade. Changes the conversation. #sblchat

In reply to @MikeSzczepanik

AggieSalterITS Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

we separate the life skills from acadamics we respond on both but acadamics & social r not the same #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenmattingly, @kenoc7, @mrgarychu

brian_arnot Apr 12 @ 9:59 PM EDT

This is a new idea for me. We have had issues with student eligibility early in the term when our retakes are so far away. #sblchat

In reply to @garnet_hillman, @kenoc7, @mrgarychu