#edchatME Archive | Participate

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:30 PM EST

Please make sure you tag each part of the convo w/ #edchatme & @mdoenews

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:30 PM EST

We hope to give @mdoenews support from the field in what being "proficient" actually means; to provide them w/ more voices. #edchatme

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:30 PM EST

We hope to give @mdoenews support from the field in what being "proficient" actually means; to provide them w/ more voices. #edchatme

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:30 PM EST

Welcome to #EdChatME! Tonight's task: Clearly, simply and collaboratively DEFINE "PROFICIENT." @mdoenews

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participatechat Feb 27 @ 8:30 PM EST

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST

Formalities: Who are you, what do you do, where do you do what you do, and what do you do when you don't do what you do? #EdChatME @mdoenews

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EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST

Formalities: Who are you, what do you do, where do you do what you do, and what do you do when you don't do what you do? #EdChatME @mdoenews

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST

Matt-Dir of Curric, Instr, Assmt for @AOS94ME. I love playing music, playing w/ my kids, & just playing in general. #edchatme

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briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:31 PM EST

#edchatme Bob, MS Prin in Gorham

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:32 PM EST

#edchatme @mdoenews Ken O’Connor, author/consultant/former HS teacher, snowbird in The Villages, FL from Toronto, ON. #edchatme @mdoenews

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MsMeservey Feb 27 @ 8:32 PM EST

Jessica, 6th ELA/Social Studies, Lincoln, Maine. New snowshoer, glad it is melting, but sad I can't snowshoe. #edchatme

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST

We will use the term “proficient” as a synonym for “competent,” “mastery” “meeting,” etc. #EdChatME

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST

We will use the term “proficient” as a synonym for “competent,” “mastery” “meeting,” etc. #EdChatME

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST

Q1 is going to drop in 1 minute! Let’s do this! #edchatme

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST

Q1 is going to drop in 1 minute! Let’s do this! #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST

Jeff Bailey, HS Technology Teacher in Rumford ME, I also do Improv with @WickedDecent #edchatME

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:33 PM EST

Hi Ken!!! Thanks so much for joining us tonight! #edchatme

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EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

Q1: @AOS94ME uses "Content, Complexity, Autonomy" as the base words for defining "PROFICIENT." What 3 words wld you use? #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

Q1: @AOS94ME uses "Content, Complexity, Autonomy" as the base words for defining "PROFICIENT." What 3 words wld you use? #EdChatME @mdoenews

briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

#edchatme How's the golf Ken?

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:32 PM EST

#edchatme @mdoenews Ken O’Connor, author/consultant/former HS teacher, snowbird in The Villages, FL from Toronto, ON. #edchatme @mdoenews
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jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

Jess-Principal Madison High...when I am not principaling I am a mom and in my spare time I am training for a triathlon.... #edchatme

T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

4th & 5th grade teacher enjoying all content areas. Waiting for the snow to melt so I can get to some Ultimate! #edchatme @mdoenews

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MsMeservey Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

A1: Mastery, content, confusing... #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:34 PM EST

@kenoc7 I still have your grading book on my shelf behind my desk. Thanks for joining! #edchatME

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:35 PM EST

what's confusing? Say more! #edchatme

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jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:35 PM EST

Hey there #EdChatME ... Jon Pratt checking in. Asst Head for Academics @foxcroftacademy ... enjoying Little Big Planet 3 f/ downtime lately!

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22tattedguy Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

Nathan History Ed student @USouthernMaine love watching sports, playing w/ my 2 kids, love working with mechanic tools #EdChatME

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

A1 “Got it” #edchatme @mdoenews

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GeoffCyr Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

A1: Understanding, independence... I forgot the third one. #oops #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

A1: Can't say it's codified in our district. Though closest is rubric language "Meets the standard/learning target" #edchatME

MsMeservey Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

Trying to untangle the language in the proficient standards. Our Empower targets, especially SS, are very confusing. #edchatme

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T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

A1 Here is my first crack at it: Independence, transference, perseverance. #edchatme @mdoenews

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jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:37 PM EST

A1: Rigor, Relevance and Revealing....I just made those up not sure we have terms as a district....#edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:38 PM EST

I like this... is it too simple? Does it allow too much wiggle room/interpretation w/in poor grading systems? #edchatme

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

A1 “Got it” #edchatme @mdoenews
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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:38 PM EST

But what does "meets" actually look like? Mean? #edchatme @mdoenews

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jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:36 PM EST

A1: Can't say it's codified in our district. Though closest is rubric language "Meets the standard/learning target" #edchatME

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST

A1: Our district focused on system for tracking & adopting standards but skipped the core convo about meaning of "proficient" #edchatME

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST

How might having words like his help in your district? Or not? #edchatme @mdoenews

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jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:37 PM EST

A1: Rigor, Relevance and Revealing....I just made those up not sure we have terms as a district....#edchatme

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST

A1: Independent demonstration (of) learning. (And I thought 140 characters was tough...) #EdChatME

GeoffCyr Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST

I look at transference and application as similar terms. Conflicted about where they fit b/t proficient and exceeding #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:40 PM EST

Ouch. How might you help get back there? #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST

A1: Our district focused on system for tracking & adopting standards but skipped the core convo about meaning of "proficient" #edchatME

briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:40 PM EST

A1 #edchatme It is never about the single word, letter grade or %, it's about the narrative that accompanies the icon. Got it, and heres how

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:40 PM EST

I have difficulty with “independence as descriptor for proficient because all judged performance should be independent. #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:41 PM EST

Nicely done! #edchatme

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST

A1: Independent demonstration (of) learning. (And I thought 140 characters was tough...) #EdChatME

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:41 PM EST

A1: I like @DrewetteCard and @AOS94ME "Content, Complexity, Autonomy" as a framework for proficiency. #edchatME

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:41 PM EST

I think it depends on what the standard actually says. How does one get to a 4; via content or complexity? #edchatme

In reply to @GeoffCyr, @T_HEB

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:42 PM EST

Same problem with autonomy #edchatme @mdoenews

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 8:42 PM EST

Dan Ryder, English T, also does improv w @jbailey8 via @TLMImprov #edchatme

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T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:42 PM EST

What would the stages before "proficient" be called? Would that work not be independent? @kenoc7 #edchatme @mdoenews

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jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:42 PM EST

Such an important point - easy to get bogged down w/ grading symbols v focusing on the complexity they distill. #EdChatME

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:43 PM EST

Q2: @AOS94ME uses "Applying" instead of "Passing." How is being "PROFICIENT" different than "passing? #EdChatME @mdoenews

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:43 PM EST

Q2: @AOS94ME uses "Applying" instead of "Passing." How is being "PROFICIENT" different than "passing? #EdChatME @mdoenews

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:43 PM EST

I think having a common language helps to define proficiency, keeps all on the same page less confusion #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:39 PM EST
How might having words like his help in your district? Or not? #edchatme @mdoenews
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- jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:37 PM EST
  
  A1: Rigor, Relevance and Revealing....I just made those up not sure we have terms as a district....#edchatme

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST

Sorry I'm late to the party! #edchatme

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST

Just the slogan, then has to be described generically in a few sentences & specifically for each standard. #edchatme @mdoenews

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sparks1sarah Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST

Sarah, UMaine Extension 4-H, joining #edchatme a little late.

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST

YES! Feedback > Grades! @JoyKirr & I will co-mod next week's #EdChatME on that very topic!!!

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jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST

A2: "Passing" implies earning enough points to get through the grading system, "Proficient" implies you can actually do something. #edchatME

T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST

Proficient req understanding that allows Ss to move w ease through/around skill. Transfer/Apply shows that. #edchatme @mdoenews @GeoffCyr

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST

That's where I struggle as well; telling the most accurate story of student ability and achievement #edchatme

briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:40 PM EST

A1 #edchatme It is never about the single word, letter grade or %, it's about the narrative that accompanies the icon. Got it, and heres how

GeoffCyr Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST

Right. one of the reasons why I struggle with rubrics in general. The line b/t Meets and Exceeds is blurry! #edchatme

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MsMeservey Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST

A2: Passing has wiggle room. Points for style, for neatness, ect. Proficiency is getting to core of knowledge and less about flash.#edchatme

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST

A2: Passing = knows enough Proficient = understanding #edchatme

cpriest Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST

@EdChatME Crystal Priest - Tech Director, SAD 4, Guilford, ME. Hiking, woodworking, goofing off when I have the time. #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST

for proficient we say "Independently apply all expectations." Could be one target or multiple; same def applies #EdChatME

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:46 PM EST

Passing has traditionally been less than proficient. Just enough points to be within 0.5% of P/F cut.#edchatme @mdoenews

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EduGladiators Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

🎨NEW #EduGladiators series next week "4Cs of Success" w/guest @LaytonsHistory ⚗️ #NJEAchat #formativechat #neisdpln #DubChat #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

Rubrics are task based; scales are standards/targets based. Common scales help! #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @GeoffCyr, @T_HEB, @mdoenews

T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

Don't we start touching on those who "know the game" with passing but highlight active learning w proficient? #edchatme @mdoenews

MsMeservey Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST

A2: Passing has wiggle room. Points for style, for neatness, ect. Proficiency is getting to core of knowledge and less about flash.#edchatme

sparks1sarah Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

passing can be short-term knowledge acquisition, applying transference of knowledge to other areas of learning #edchatME

mjcraw Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

YES. And it's critical to consider the context, too. It is ALWAYS the person AND the situation #edchatme

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST
That's where I struggle as well; telling the most accurate story of student ability and achievement #edchatme
- briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:40 PM EST
  
  A1 #edchatme It is never about the single word, letter grade or %, it's about the narrative that accompanies the icon. Got it, and heres how

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

Maybe beyond tonight's chat scope, but I struggle with "partial" and "exceed" w/r/t proficiency. #EdChatME

In reply to @GeoffCyr, @DrewetteCard, @T_HEB

22tattedguy Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

A2: I feel proficient brings the responsibility and the drive and passing is a flat lined definition and just going with the flow #edchatme

MichaelisMath - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

Hey #edchatme! Jennifer here, H.S. math. So... I do not believe in PBE. I say that not to be ornery, but to show it's ok to disagree here. 😀

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

Thanks for joining us! Welcome!!! #edchatme

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 8:44 PM EST

Sorry I'm late to the party! #edchatme

cpriest Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

@EdChatME A1: Can Get it Done. #edchatme @mdoenews

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST

All assessment of levels of performance should be independent unless IEP says otherwise. #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @T_HEB, @mdoenews, @mdoenews

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 8:48 PM EST

A2 passing implies Ss completed series of prescribed tasks at arbitrary degree of success; proficient means you have a skill set #edchatme

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:43 PM EST

Q2: @AOS94ME uses "Applying" instead of "Passing." How is being "PROFICIENT" different than "passing? #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:48 PM EST

#EdChatME

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 8:48 PM EST

I view proficient as demonstrating competence. A green light to move deeper, handle more integration ...
In reply to @kenoc7, @DrewetteCard, @mdoenews

GeoffCyr Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST

I struggle with anything that isn't meet/proficient #edchatme

In reply to @jonpratt, @DrewetteCard, @T_HEB

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST

the language matters SO MUCH! We use "beginning, developing, applying, innovating." All present tense. #edchatme

In reply to @jonpratt, @GeoffCyr, @T_HEB

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST

A2: No difference, per se, between "passing" and "proficient" - just depends on where school/district sets expectations. #EdChatME

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST

Pease NEVER use “exceeds.” Suggest “excels.” Proficient is “Got It”, “Excels is “Wow!" #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @GeoffCyr, @DrewetteCard, @T_HEB, @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST

Agree. @tguskey wrote an awesome article about this why exceeds is poor language. #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST

Pease NEVER use “exceeds.” Suggest “excels.” Proficient is “Got It”, “Excels is “Wow!" #edchatme @mdoenews
In reply to @GeoffCyr, @DrewetteCard, @T_HEB, @mdoenews

briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST

#edchatME isn't "passing" a term that is anachronistic. like passing a stone, something to be done and be done with!

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST

I think independently should be removed. It is not a description of quality. #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @DrewetteCard, @mdoenews, @mdoenews

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:51 PM EST

PBE? #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @MichaelisMath, @mdoenews

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

Q3: @AOS94ME is building a system integrating growth & proficiency. How are the terms "GROWTH" and "PROFICIENT" related? #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

Q3: @AOS94ME is building a system integrating growth & proficiency. How are the terms "GROWTH" and "PROFICIENT" related? #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

I can see that. It's an important cultural piece, though. How do we reconcile that? #edchatme

In reply to @kenoc7, @mdoenews

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

@briley8557 I love this analogy! #edchatME

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MichaelisMath - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

proficiency-based ed. #edchatme

In reply to @kenoc7, @mdoenews

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

Many & varied voices & perspectives are good for all of us! Can you say more about your "why" in re: anti-PBE? #EdChatME

In reply to @MichaelisMath

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

Bena Kallick talks about the notion that we are all in a state of becoming. Why ING verbs are critical. #edchatme https://t.co/yGFHexlqo7

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST

the language matters SO MUCH! We use "beginning, developing, applying, innovating." All present tense. #edchatme
In reply to @jonpratt, @GeoffCyr, @T_HEB

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

I reckon so; of course, when we say "proficient" it also opens up criticism; how might we distinguish proficient from perfect? #edchatme

T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:47 PM EST
Don't we start touching on those who "know the game" with passing but highlight active learning w proficient? #edchatme @mdoenews
- MsMeservey Feb 27 @ 8:45 PM EST
  
  A2: Passing has wiggle room. Points for style, for neatness, ect. Proficiency is getting to core of knowledge and less about flash.#edchatme

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

@DrewetteCard Do you happen to have the link to said article?? #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST
Agree. @tguskey wrote an awesome article about this why exceeds is poor language. #edchatme
In reply to @tguskey
- kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:49 PM EST
  
  Pease NEVER use “exceeds.” Suggest “excels.” Proficient is “Got It”, “Excels is “Wow!" #edchatme @mdoenews
  In reply to @GeoffCyr, @DrewetteCard, @T_HEB, @mdoenews

T_HEB Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

A6 Great conversation happening right now at #edchatme - Defining Proficient. #edtechchat

GeoffCyr Feb 27 @ 8:52 PM EST

also suggests a consequence for not meeting, like not being able to participate in extracurriculars(also anachronistic)#edchatme

In reply to @briley8557

cpriest Feb 27 @ 8:53 PM EST

@EdChatME A2: Proficient: can actually DO what the standard asks w/o hesitation. Pass: know just enough to be dangerous. #edchatme @mdoenews

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jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:53 PM EST

A3: We should expect growth in all students. We want proficiency on a core set of standards. #edchatME

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:54 PM EST

A3 Proficient is a description of achievement, absolute. Growth describes change, relative. Terms related but (very) different. #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:54 PM EST

A3: If a student is proficient without growing, we are not meeting their needs either. #edchatME

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST

A3: Time may be flexible in getting Ss to be proficient, but growth should be a constant. #edchatME

MichaelisMath - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST

Not in 140 chars! 😄 I simply don't think it solves what it purports to; where things were broken there are better fixes. #edchatme

In reply to @jonpratt

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST

Was trying to find it... success! https://t.co/H1uns9kXui @tguskey #edchatme @mdoenews #sayNOtoexceeds

In reply to @jessicawrd3, @tguskey, @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST

Was trying to find it... success! https://t.co/Krtft98Xaa @tguskey #edchatme @mdoenews #sayNOtoexceeds

In reply to @jessicawrd3, @tguskey, @mdoenews

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST

Do you think independence, then, is a reasonable (if unstated) assumption for proficiency? #EdChatME

In reply to @kenoc7, @DrewetteCard, @mdoenews

sparks1sarah Feb 27 @ 8:55 PM EST

Q3. always room for growing, adding, going deeper, adding more to learning to become proficient #edchatme

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

Hi all! Erin, 9 and 12 gr English T at Oxford Hills HS, showing up late because my kids fell asleep on me on the couch, lol! #edchatme

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

Amen. You got that through my thick skull over 15 years ago. :) #edchatme

In reply to @kenoc7

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

Why “without hesitation?” Many great thinkers are slow thinkers. #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @cpriest, @EdChatME, @mdoenews, @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

A3) Growth = in progress (formative). Proficient = in the past (summative) #edchatme

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

Certainly understand that these are tough 140-char convos! Maybe a blog post? Very interested in learning more. #EdChatME

In reply to @MichaelisMath

briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

I miss those days #edchatme

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

Hi all! Erin, 9 and 12 gr English T at Oxford Hills HS, showing up late because my kids fell asleep on me on the couch, lol! #edchatme

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

A3: You can't have proficiency without growth....understand that there is a progression to proficiency, @WickedDecent failup??#edchatme

In reply to @WickedDecent

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 8:57 PM EST

Reasonable & unstated for ALL levels. #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @jonpratt, @DrewetteCard, @mdoenews, @mdoenews

MichaelisMath - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:58 PM EST

mmm, that is a great idea! I will try to carve out time this week. #edchatme

In reply to @jonpratt

cpriest Feb 27 @ 8:58 PM EST

@EdChatME A3: - Not related. If a student is a “natural” they may be proficient, doesn’t mean they have to show growth. #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @EdChatME, @mdoenews

sparks1sarah Feb 27 @ 8:59 PM EST

yes, different. always aim to support, encourage growth, relative to where Ss at. Proficent can mean done, time to move on #edchatme

In reply to @kenoc7

briley8557 Feb 27 @ 8:59 PM EST

Jess, I am not sure that is the case. Some Ss can demonstrate Proficiency w/o growth depending on their starting point. #edchatme

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:56 PM EST

A3: You can't have proficiency without growth....understand that there is a progression to proficiency, @WickedDecent failup??#edchatme
In reply to @WickedDecent

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 8:59 PM EST

Playing catch up! A1: "Students can demonstrate." Doesn't matter the standard. How well can the S show their understanding? #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 8:59 PM EST

I think that independence/autonomy is variable. At a beginning(1) level, they might need help... #edchatme (1/2)

In reply to @kenoc7, @jonpratt, @mdoenews

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

Yes you can. My 9year old granddaughter reads at gr. 8 level so definitely proficient on grade 4 reading. #edchatme @mdoenews

In reply to @jessicawrd3, @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

(2/2) but if they can do foundational level independently, that's higher on the scale & valuable info #edchatme

In reply to @kenoc7, @jonpratt, @mdoenews

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

A2: Passing means meeting the criteria set by one person. Proficient means meeting the criteria agreed upon by many. #edchatme

22tattedguy Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

show Ss that their work matter to their peers, their work helps make other Ss do better, show work to class as pos reinforcement #edchatme

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 8:50 PM EST

HMW use proficiency to help Ss take ownership in their learning and increase their drive to be better????#edcahtme

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

agreed; just thinking about voices of those who prefer trad grade schemes to proficient/mastery standards-based Lang #edchatme

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EdChatME Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

Q4: How might we create common characteristics of being "PROFICIENT" based on our conversation so far? #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

Q4: How might we create common characteristics of being "PROFICIENT" based on our conversation so far? #EdChatME @mdoenews

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

Awesome! #EdChatME

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

Help is an instructional variable, Not an assessment variable. #edchatme @mdoenews

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

clear language and consistent scales based on that language. #boom #edchatme @mdoenews

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T_HEB Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST

Understood and hear the argument often. #edchatme @mdoenews

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

agreed; just thinking about voices of those who prefer trad grade schemes to proficient/mastery standards-based Lang #edchatme
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jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST

ok point taken but shouldn't she be working on becoming proficient on those 8th grade standards??? #edchatme

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

Yes you can. My 9year old granddaughter reads at gr. 8 level so definitely proficient on grade 4 reading. #edchatme @mdoenews
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jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST

Yes, and ... proficient is very targeted & directional. Growth might be happening, but not on-target. #EdChatME

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:02 PM EST

What if the scale was used to measure/track progress by the students themselves? #edchatme

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cpriest Feb 27 @ 9:03 PM EST

Doesn’t mean you didn’t struggle to get there but once you have it you have it. part 2 #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:03 PM EST

What do you mean “you don’t believe in PBE?” Don’t you want your students to be proficient? #edchatme @mdoenews

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST

#edchatme

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 9:03 PM EST

But what if on the assessment they need scaffolds to get them in the game?
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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST

#edchatME I favor pbe bc most of the best practices align with my beliefs about fairness, learning culture, and accountability 1/

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST

A3: You need one to achieve the other, but growth is more individualized, whereas proficiency is the same baseline for all. #edchatme

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST

Yes, so she may be growing at a grade 8 level! #edchatme @mdoenews

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allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 9:05 PM EST

Thanks for the save. #edchatme. Long day. https://t.co/Wv7CT1TGRg

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:04 PM EST
#edchatme
- allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 9:03 PM EST
  
  But what if on the assessment they need scaffolds to get them in the game?
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briley8557 Feb 27 @ 9:05 PM EST

#edchatme @kenoc7 doesn't that also eliminate the need for the exceeds category?

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:00 PM EST

Yes you can. My 9year old granddaughter reads at gr. 8 level so definitely proficient on grade 4 reading. #edchatme @mdoenews
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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:05 PM EST

Accommodation or modification? #edchatme @mdoenews

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST

#edchatME and I have to admit that defining the terms & the battles w colleagues over defns can be exhausting 2/2

jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST

Said exactly as I needed to hear it in order to deepen my understanding - so awesome! Thank you @kenoc7 #EdChatME

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

Help is an instructional variable, Not an assessment variable. #edchatme @mdoenews
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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST

A4) Lets agree: no more "exceeds." How about that, #edchatme? @tguskey & @kenoc7 would be proud if we did!!!

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST

That is a whole other debate/argument! #edchatme @mdoenews

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eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:07 PM EST

If independence is part of standard, help is def. an assmt variable. #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:07 PM EST

accommodation. They shouldn't be changing the measured& instructional construct here. #edchatme

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jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST

A4: I prefer Excels to Exceeds also. Though some standards don't fit well into a 4 point rubric, making Excels difficult 2 define. #edchatME

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST

Gotta fight the fights that need fighting! #edchatme

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:06 PM EST

#edchatME and I have to admit that defining the terms & the battles w colleagues over defns can be exhausting 2/2

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST

If the help changes the what or the how well it is a modification. #edchatme @mdoenews

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:08 PM EST

maybe another chat topic??? #edchatme

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eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST

Why are we hating on the exceeds? I like that one, esp. because my standards are leveled by grade! #edchatme

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tguskey Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST

#edchatme Also check: https://t.co/nvRUq9DuKm Prnts & Ss alike need clear descriptions of what the highest level looks like!

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST

When is independence part of a standard? Always implied but unstated. #edchatme @mdoenews

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jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST

How might we get parents and community and Ss to understand proficiency without too much jargon? Real life examples? analogies? #edchatME

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST

https://t.co/H1uns9kXui Read and be learneded! #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:09 PM EST

https://t.co/xp1XkXHwWs Read and be learneded! #edchatme

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allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 9:10 PM EST

#edchatme I'm mulling it over...

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jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 9:10 PM EST

@eringobragh29 Is Exceeding a 7th Grade standard just doing the same standard at an 8th grade level? #edchatME

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eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:10 PM EST

Text complexity standars in HS. (Reading Lit #10) #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:11 PM EST

Q5: In 10 words (or less), create a simple, common definition of "PROFICIENT" based on our conversation tonight. #EdChatME @mdoenews

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 9:11 PM EST

Q5: In 10 words (or less), create a simple, common definition of "PROFICIENT" based on our conversation tonight. #EdChatME @mdoenews

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 9:11 PM EST

Be careful that "excels" or "exceeds" doesn't mean just doing more work at the same level. Climbing Blooms is important. #edchatME

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:11 PM EST

That's the EXACT reason why exceeds doesn't work.It's unclear! & no... not necessarily) #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:12 PM EST

Read @tguskey but IMO because student should get highest rating at grade level without going to next level. #edchatme

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allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 9:12 PM EST

Agree that is true in the standard. Can be in rubric to evaluate degree of quality ?#edchatme

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:12 PM EST

and it doesn't make it any less tiring; does it have to always be a fight? Hmw find common ground? #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:13 PM EST

ICYMI (ahem... @jonpratt ... ahem... 😜) #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:01 PM EST

Q4: How might we create common characteristics of being "PROFICIENT" based on our conversation so far? #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:15 PM EST

"Fight the fights" was just an expression (fr "The American President"). And it's tiring. But a good tired in the end. #edchatme

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:12 PM EST

and it doesn't make it any less tiring; does it have to always be a fight? Hmw find common ground? #edchatme
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eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:15 PM EST

Breaking down a stnd. into skills, & leveling by Bloom's doesn't necessarily chng cognitive task. #edchatme

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:16 PM EST

Danger I run into w def'n discussions (I've been guilty of over at #dtk12chat b4 w design thinking) rarely feels collaborative #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 9:16 PM EST

A5: Proficiency= Ability to show understanding or skill independently at grade level on a given standard. #edchatME

allison_zmuda Feb 27 @ 9:16 PM EST

A5 Proficient - I agree w @kenoc7 - got it. Real challenge is what is above that. :) #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:16 PM EST

A4 Meeting the requisite level of performance. E.G, 100% in landing planes. 25% in hitting in MLB. #edchatme @mdoenews

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eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:17 PM EST

Except that my stnds are written for 9th and 10th grade together. I expect different performance from those kids. #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:17 PM EST

A5) "Got it". That's what @kenoc7 said. He writes books. #edchatme

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MichaelisMath - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:17 PM EST

start by talking about what you agree on conceptually. THEN try to pin down what it should be called. #edchatme

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:18 PM EST

.@DrewetteCard some collateral damage that comes w gives me pause; not saying PBE isn't way to go; trying to avoid fight culture #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:18 PM EST

Great if you remove “independently” IMO #edchatme @mdoenews

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jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:18 PM EST

A5: Proficient: student demonstrates targeted knowledge and/or skill at targeted level of cognitive complexity. #EdChatME

sparks1sarah Feb 27 @ 9:19 PM EST

Q5. demonstrate understanding and skill as it relates to content #edchatme

jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 9:19 PM EST

A5: Proficient = Ss can demonstrate understanding of a standard at an appropriate defined cognitive level. #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:19 PM EST

.@WickedDecent I'm not convinced that that culture can be avoided with a major change like this. Comes w/ territory. #edchatme

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EdChatME Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST

Q6: Edit/Revise/Improve someone else's definition of "PROFICIENT" and reduce that definition to 6 words or less. #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST

Q6: Edit/Revise/Improve someone else's definition of "PROFICIENT" and reduce that definition to 6 words or less. #EdChatME @mdoenews

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST

A5: Students are able to perform at a predetermined level of complexity to demonstrate their skills. #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:21 PM EST

I'd change "demonstrate understanding" to "apply" bc it's clearer. IMO #edchatme

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jonpratt - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:21 PM EST

I think one of the challenges w/ definition work is that defs both depend on and reveal our sense-making abilities. #EdChatME

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bravesearth Feb 27 @ 9:21 PM EST

Speaking from experience...it can't... #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:22 PM EST

Should say Q6 in the pic. I realized this hours ago but didn't change it. #lazy #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:20 PM EST

Q6: Edit/Revise/Improve someone else's definition of "PROFICIENT" and reduce that definition to 6 words or less. #EdChatME @mdoenews

eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:22 PM EST

Rubrics can do ANYTHING. #theyretotallymagical #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:22 PM EST

A6 Proficiency is understanding or skill at requisite level. #edchatme @mdoenews

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:22 PM EST

.@DrewetteCard I'm not so sure; when parties see it as adversarial . . . let's say that 75 ml of effexor daily have helped my pov #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:23 PM EST

#micdropcanadastyle #edchatme

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:22 PM EST

A6 Proficiency is understanding or skill at requisite level. #edchatme @mdoenews
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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:24 PM EST

isn't that a new even better reason to try establishing new pathways? #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:25 PM EST

of course. Try. But don't let that avoidance of conflict/adversity hinder progress, tho. #edchatme

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kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:26 PM EST

Isn’t PBE what the trades and the military have always done? #edchatme @mdoenews

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jessicawrd3 Feb 27 @ 9:26 PM EST

#edchatme Thanks for a thoughtful and timely chat tonight as this is work we are currently finishing up headed into next year! Night!

EdChatME Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST

#NEXTSTEPS: Share how you will push these definitions of "PROFICIENT" out to your classrooms/schools/districts. #EdChatME @mdoenews

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST

#NEXTSTEPS: Share how you will push these definitions of "PROFICIENT" out to your classrooms/schools/districts. #EdChatME @mdoenews

WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST

since we are challenging others to shift their POVs, should we not also be open to shifting our own? #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:27 PM EST

and doctors and lawyers (@MichaelisMath) and every profession ever (except education) #edchatme

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WickedDecent Feb 27 @ 9:28 PM EST

seems like a but in there rather than an and .. "sure. Try. But don't lose" ;) #edchatme

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DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:28 PM EST

POV are opinions/perceptions, not facts/evidence. That's where it breaks down. Evidence needs to win #EdChatME

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eringobragh29 Feb 27 @ 9:29 PM EST

#NEXTSTEPS: Working on new PBE docs and practices at OHCHS. Pushing the "PBE doesn't have to mean common texts" bit lately. #edchatme

andrewtwallace Feb 27 @ 9:29 PM EST

#nextsteps I will read up on the great definitions in this chat via the archive. Good stuff! #edchatme

jbailey8 Feb 27 @ 9:29 PM EST

#nextsteps ask about defining proficient for guiding principles and if we ditch Exceeds for Excels #edchatME

kenoc7 Feb 27 @ 9:29 PM EST

1. Next Steps - clear definition important but have to decide level of specificity - . . . #edchatme @mdoenews

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EdChatME Feb 27 @ 9:30 PM EST

Be sure to follow everyone who’s participated tonight and build your PLN. #edchatme

DrewetteCard - Moderator Feb 27 @ 9:30 PM EST

Be sure to follow everyone who’s participated tonight and build your PLN. #edchatme