#IDedchat Archive

This is a chat for Idaho Educators and anyone else who wants to join the conversation. Topic for 6/20: Reflective Practices

Wednesday January 24, 2018
10:00 PM EST

  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:00 PM EST
    It is 8:00! Time for #IDedchat - a weekly chat for Idaho Edus and anyone else who wants to join the conversation!
  • MrsMurat Jan 24 @ 10:00 PM EST
    My journey with Hyperdocs this year. Would love your feedback! https://t.co/nTObDBla3h #abedchat #educoach #IDedchat #mbedchat #ndedchat #WeirdEd
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:01 PM EST
    If you haven't done so already, please take a moment and introduce yourself to #IDedchat - even if you're just lurking. :-)
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:01 PM EST
    I am Janet Avery, Curriculum Director in Jerome and your moderator for this evening! #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:02 PM EST
    If you are knew to Twitter Chats, you might want to consider using @participate engage in the chat. Here is the link: https://t.co/xfBi49Eqly #IDedchat
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:02 PM EST
    I am TJ Adams, the Custodian of digital messes. #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:02 PM EST
    I'm Tyler Keefe, 5th Grade teacher from Nampa. #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 24 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Dan, Business teacher from St. Louis. Hoping to make it through the entire chat. Not much sleep last night and long day today. #IDedchat
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Abe Wallin - regional math specialist at UI-CDA #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Tonight we will be discussing Standards v. Standardization and How to stay innovative! We will use the Q1: A1 format. #IDedchat
  • sarahmomof3boys Jan 24 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Sarah checking into #idedchat from Iowa
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Hi. Kevin from Indianapolis. I teach biology and Earth/Space Science. Glad to be here and see all of you #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Hi TJ!! That is quite the title! #IDedchat
    In reply to @goodn3rd
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Hi Tyler! Glad you are here tonight! #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Qs at the beginning of our chat are going to come fairly quickly - hold on to your hat. :-) #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Welcome - How is the "gateway to the West" tonight? #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Welcome Abe! Glad you made it tonight! #Idedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • WinkelerD Jan 24 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Chilly. I am ready for spring. #idedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Q1: What is your definition of the word "standard?" #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Welcome to the "other" Iowa Sara! ;-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @sarahmomof3boys
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Hi Kevin! Glad you are here! #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • WinkelerD Jan 24 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Ah must be nice. We had a curriculum fair. I was able to present to groups about classes for next school year. Exciting but exhausting. #idedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:05 PM EST
    A1: A "standard" the level/task at which all students should be able to achieve at a given grade-level. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:06 PM EST
    BOTH! :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @sarahmomof3boys
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hello #IDedchat! Checking in tonight to listen and learn. ;)
  • sarahmomof3boys Jan 24 @ 10:07 PM EST
    A1: the learning target/goal a S is expected to meet at their given grade level #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:07 PM EST
    A1: Official definition of the word "standard": a level of quality or attainment. #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:07 PM EST
    R1: true definition of standard is average. If we are talking about “standards” then they are the middle ground we expect all students to meet. It’s middle ground. Top of the bell curve. Teaching to the middle #IDedchat
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:07 PM EST
    A1 Standard = the norm #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:08 PM EST
    Hi Marita! I just had dinner with "my" Marita - here for a 2 day workshop. #IDedchat
    In reply to @MDiffenbaugh
  • hiccupc Jan 24 @ 10:08 PM EST
    Hello #IDedchat crew! Excited to be uninterrupted for at least the next 20 minutes and participate in tonight's discussion.
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:08 PM EST
    Glad to be here. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:08 PM EST
    Hi Chris!! Glad you made it! #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc
  • WinkelerD Jan 24 @ 10:09 PM EST
    A1: Standards are norms. Standards are bases for which we measure against. #idedchat
  • Dale_Chu Jan 24 @ 10:09 PM EST
    HAPPENING NOW: @averyteach leading a discussion on standards and standardization. Follow along at #IDedchat!
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:10 PM EST
    Q2: What is your definition of "standardization?" #IDedchat
  • joerobison907 Jan 24 @ 10:10 PM EST
    A2. creativity killing #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:10 PM EST
    Q2: Standardization - everyone expected to do something the same way and the same rate. #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:10 PM EST
    A2:"standardization" is the process to achieve the same expected result every time. #IDedchat AKA: Teach the script from the book...
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Hi Joe! Welcome to #IDedchat That kind of hits it right on the head... :-)
    In reply to @joerobison907
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    A1: curricular standards denote the skills, understandings, and dispositions we want for all students. #IDedchat
  • joerobison907 Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Thanks for having me #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    I might be jumping ahead, but I prefer to call standards “indicators” because we can enrich them to the level we need for all our students, no matter their ability level. @AinsworthLarry #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    A2: I immediately think of Plan, Do, Check, Act. Expectations for do the same as others. #idedchat
  • sarahmomof3boys Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    A2: meeting a standard at the same time using the same means to get there #idedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Just the general definition of "standard" makes me cringe. Edudef=bare minimum of what should be achieved. #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
    What he said... #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:12 PM EST
    I might have quoted Mr. Ainsworth this week in my 2nd grade workshop. ;-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @AinsworthLarry
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:13 PM EST
    Q3: Why does the word "standardization" have negative connotations? #IDedchat
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A2: standardization aims to ensure a baseline of competency. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:13 PM EST
    #IDedchat - very descriptive GIF for Standardization @goodn3rd :-)
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:13 PM EST
    @AinsworthLarry is a rock star. Had many opportunities to work with him in the mid 2000s. Great educator and even better guy! #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach, @AinsworthLarry, @AinsworthLarry
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A2 - This is standardization #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A3: "Standardization takes the creativity out of teaching...turns Ts into robots... #IDedchat
  • sarahmomof3boys Jan 24 @ 10:14 PM EST
    A3: to me the word makes my brain automatically jump to standardized test which increases my level of anxiety as a current teacher and mom & former student myself #idedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 24 @ 10:14 PM EST
    A3: Means leveling to the lowest common denominator. Something everyone can understand. Diminishes the idea of the end of average. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:14 PM EST
    That definitely has a negative connotation...How does it do this Tyler? #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:14 PM EST
    R3: see my response from earlier. If we standardize everything, we aren’t teaching or teaching the ability of our students—be it G/T, honors, SpEd, or EL Ss. We must do better! #idedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:15 PM EST
    Being told from the "powers above" to teach "x" like "y" for "z" amount of minutes regardless of anything else. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:15 PM EST
    Right there with you! The "test" that is a one time snap of what a students knows...if they had a good night sleep, has eaten, etc, etc, etc, #IDedchat
    In reply to @sarahmomof3boys
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:15 PM EST
    Yes! Standards as indicators, that Ss can access, at a flexible pace. Not restricted by age or grade level. #learningprogressions #IDedchat
    • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:11 PM EST
      I might be jumping ahead, but I prefer to call standards “indicators” because we can enrich them to the level we need for all our students, no matter their ability level. @AinsworthLarry #IDedchat
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:16 PM EST
    A3 Standardization gets a bad wrap because people don't try hard enough to make the standard worthwhile. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:16 PM EST
    Tell us a little more what you mean here TJ. #IDedchat
    In reply to @goodn3rd
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:17 PM EST
    Q4: How can "standards" be used without "standardizing" students? #IDedchat
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:17 PM EST
    A3: standardization has taken on an instructional quality - providing one option for everyone #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:18 PM EST
    Interesting outlook here - one option for everyone....when we have many more that one style/rate of learner in our classrooms. #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:18 PM EST
    A4: Standards can be used as a guiding point, but Ts need to have the flexibility to do what is best for their Ss and their achievement. #IDedchat
  • sarahmomof3boys Jan 24 @ 10:18 PM EST
    A4: we can meet standards through differentiation and focusing on each individual’s process and product that shows what the S has mastered #idedchat
  • AwisemanAndy Jan 24 @ 10:18 PM EST
    I think of standards as the information which has been established as what all students should know and be able to do. Standards do not need to limit creativity—with planning and management creativity does happen #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:18 PM EST
    This is what irritates me with “sandardization”. In ele ed, we want to keep Ss together because of age. Unfortunately, we have Ss that move at different paces. Why hold them back/miss out if we go too fast. Grade levels is something that IMO should be visited. #IDedchat
    In reply to @MDiffenbaugh
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:19 PM EST
    I really like your point about "flexibility" --being flexible is part of the ART of teaching. #IDedchat
    • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:18 PM EST
      A4: Standards can be used as a guiding point, but Ts need to have the flexibility to do what is best for their Ss and their achievement. #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:19 PM EST
    R4: us them as indicators. Enrich if needed or chunk of needed. They are a good start to ensure we are meeting content knowledge. #idedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:19 PM EST
    I couldn't agree more! my 4-year-old is already reading at a 2nd-grade-level, writes better than some of my 5th graders...but yet if he enters a public school he's be handcuffed to just KG next year. #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @MDiffenbaugh
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:19 PM EST
    A3.5 The things we choose to standardize matter. "Everyone teach XYZ today with this script" is not good. "Everyone find a theme for PBL that fits you" is good. #IDedchat
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:19 PM EST
    TJ, I appreciate you! 😁 When are we asked to be the same, as adults? #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:20 PM EST
    I would bet that our friend @MDiffenbaugh could spend an entire month talking to us about that EXACT thing. ;-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @MDiffenbaugh, @MDiffenbaugh
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:21 PM EST
    Q5: How are "standards" a tool for teaching and learning? #IDedchat
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Yes! I wonder if the Stormtroopers worked together to create, here? This seems more joyful than the marching, why? #IDedchat
    • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:16 PM EST
      A3 Standardization gets a bad wrap because people don't try hard enough to make the standard worthwhile. #IDedchat
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    7 Effective Habits of Writing the Best College Application Essay https://t.co/EDtWOHuw0P #abedchat #educoach #Idedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Hate to run, but fussy/teething baby calls. Will check back and see the greatness that happened with this chat. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc, @LCHS_Bio, @MDiffenbaugh
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Yes. My 2nd grader reads at mid third/early 4th grade level for comprehension. Math ability is pretty good also. But she prob won’t be in high ability due to a speech issue. #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67, @MDiffenbaugh
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A5: standards provide a starting point for achievement - mile markers on the road to graduation #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A5: That's just it, they're a tool. They're a great point for us to start as teachers...but they aren't the end result. Just because our standard doesn't cover it, doesn't mean we can't cover it if the students are ready. #IDedchat
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 24 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Tracy from California. #idedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 24 @ 10:23 PM EST
    A5: Great for knowing where a student "should" be...but that line should be flexible in its adjustment. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Hi Tracy! Glad you could make it! #IDedchat
    In reply to @tracyscottkelly
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:23 PM EST
    A5 Standards are the finish line that rarely gets crossed when we standardize the wrong things and stop looking at the individual and their student voice.#IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:23 PM EST
    R5: Standards tell me what I need to teach to my Ss. It’s a road map. #idedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Personalized learning...my son is doing fractions (starting to understand them) something that isn't supposed to be touched on for years for him... #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @MDiffenbaugh
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Exactly! Standards are our starting point - what we will teach; assess; support; and enrich. #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 24 @ 10:24 PM EST
    A5) Standards are the skills that kids should have, but there is not just one good way to get them there. Tools help but they are not the solution. #idedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 24 @ 10:25 PM EST
    There's no difference between the march and this. They're still together and doing the same activity. Where's my rubric? #IDedchat
    In reply to @MDiffenbaugh
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 24 @ 10:25 PM EST
    A4) Lets sat the standard is "will write an opinion piece." Everyone has an opinion and they are all correct. #idedchat
  • vikki_lange Jan 24 @ 10:25 PM EST
    A5: standards can be the starting point for engaging Ss. Teachers can then move Ss beyond those to stretch and empower their thinking #idedchat #residentlurker
    In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:26 PM EST
    I am not slamming my child’s teacher. She is AWESOME and does a ton of differentiation. Unfortunately, when there are classes of 27-30 Ss, it makes that PE hard in 2nd grade. That’s why she gets extra here at home. But what about kids that done have that? #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67, @MDiffenbaugh
  • AwisemanAndy Jan 24 @ 10:27 PM EST
    Let students have a part in going beyond the standards. Let them help “create” the curriculum associated with their learning choices linked to the standards #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:28 PM EST
    #IDedchat oops! forgot my own hashtag!
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:28 PM EST
    R5: This is where #PBL really works well with Ss. They can delve deeper into content as needed and I can help them explore content in a personalized way. The indicators allow the framework for this #idedchat
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:28 PM EST
    Maybe not? What if the school meets kids where they are in their learning? (it is happening around Idaho;) #IDedchat
    • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:19 PM EST
      I couldn't agree more! my 4-year-old is already reading at a 2nd-grade-level, writes better than some of my 5th graders...but yet if he enters a public school he's be handcuffed to just KG next year. #IDedchat
      In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @MDiffenbaugh
  • hiccupc Jan 24 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Just curious how you do this, Andy. #IDedchat
    In reply to @AwisemanAndy
  • MrBurton09 Jan 24 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Show the students what are they going to learn and be able to demonstrate. By the end of the lesson/unit, you better be able to do this. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Q5b: How might "standards" be an inhibitor or stumbling block for (some) teaching and learning? #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:30 PM EST
    I've looked into it in my area and I am told "He'll only be 5, so he's required to be in KG due to the age" grr! Not saying I would have him at my school, but I'd love the option. #IDedchat
    In reply to @MDiffenbaugh
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Hi Jason! Glad you made it! #IDedchat
    In reply to @MrBurton09
  • MrBurton09 Jan 24 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Yes and how do you do this in your classroom. #IDedchat
    In reply to @AwisemanAndy
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:31 PM EST
    A5: I worry when the standards are a checklist though; we need to be careful that students understand what they are learning too. #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:31 PM EST
    A5b: just the other day, "It's not in your standard to teach that, so let 6th grade take care of it." for citing a source in their writing...AND going further in math (standard algorithm for division) #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:32 PM EST
    This is a great point Abe! We have been studying PLCs that Work.... There are so MANY standards - it is hard to not have them become a "laundry list." So...we have started choosing Essential Standards. #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • joerobison907 Jan 24 @ 10:32 PM EST
    A5b. b/c, at their core, standards leave out the most important things to S learning-relationships, real world value, & creativity #idedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:32 PM EST
    R5b: The interpretation of what “standards” are important. Some are very arbitrary in what they mean. #idedchat
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A5b: when standards are interpreted as a checklist and taught in isolation there is a risk is them being seen as irrelevant #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:33 PM EST
    #Truth #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:33 PM EST
    I have heard this before - that is when standards become a checklist (as @id_rms1 mentioned). We need to be sure to still take teachable moments. #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67, @id_rms1
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:34 PM EST
    I couldn't agree more! I still do what is needed...shhh...don't tell anyone ;) #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach, @id_rms1
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:34 PM EST
    It is pure “sit n git” and regurgitate the content without pure understanding and application to other content areas. #IDedchat
    In reply to @joerobison907
  • MrBurton09 Jan 24 @ 10:34 PM EST
    Totally agree!!!! Beyond the standard. Many times this is my assessment. Give an example of this standard in your life. #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:34 PM EST
    Absolutely - it is so important that Teachers remember the "unwritten" curriculum of establishing those relationships before any learning can occur! #IDedchat
    In reply to @joerobison907
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 24 @ 10:34 PM EST
    A3) No one wants to believe that they are standard. Except maybe a widget, hehehe. Look in this group, I would not say any of you are average, but if we were labeled that way, how would we eventually act? #IDedchat
  • MrBurton09 Jan 24 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Yes!!! Ask students what do you think this standard means. Or how to demonstrate this standard in their eyes. #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:36 PM EST
    I won’t tell! #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67, @id_rms1
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Do you think that is the standards or instructional decisions made by a T, district, etc. that creates that situation? #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @joerobison907
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Yes - Teachers need to have time to "unpack" what skills go with standards. #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • AwisemanAndy Jan 24 @ 10:38 PM EST
    A key when considering how to include student voice, how to differentiate curriculum and/or delivery, how to create time—is planning with a vision or goal in mind. Plan to use every minute of each class with purpose and intention #IDedchat
  • joerobison907 Jan 24 @ 10:38 PM EST
    Both... b/c of standards & testing, many teachers just fall into the routine of creating sub-standard experiences for students #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1, @LCHS_Bio
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:39 PM EST
    Ask some teachers & they have no clue. Again @AinsworthLarry brought this to light for my former school & we met as Ts of the same content to figure out what was important & what it meant. then we did our own teaching of content. But we did the same assessment. #IDedchat
    In reply to @MrBurton09, @AinsworthLarry
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:39 PM EST
    A5b: Teachers feel pressure to teach ALL of their standards to mastery - when some may not be "essential" to their grade level or content. This can be paralyzing as well. #IDedchat
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:39 PM EST
    Yes, and the relationships between the standards can get lost. Such as, addition/subtraction, history to current events...#IDedchat
    • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:33 PM EST
      A5b: when standards are interpreted as a checklist and taught in isolation there is a risk is them being seen as irrelevant #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:40 PM EST
    Q6: How can teachers be innovative and still have students "master" standards? #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:40 PM EST
    We have ES identified by our district, these are good...but even those seem a bit limited. I don't mind CCSS, but I do miss the old Idaho Standards at times... #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:40 PM EST
    A5b: By having teachers narrow down the laundry list of standards to those that they agree are Essential - it leaves much more room for professional decisions and creativity! #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:41 PM EST
    A6: in a perfect world, we'd have the freedom to teach what/how we know best for our students. However, now we must be as creative as we can in our limited box and interject as much personality as we can. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:41 PM EST
    Do teachers have any role in identifying the ES? or are they all done at the district level? The power is when teachers have a voice in the decision making. #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:41 PM EST
    Achieve the core prioritizes the standards, at least for math #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:42 PM EST
    I'm sure they did have a say and were part of the committee, I left my current district 4 years ago and just came back this year...but I bet it happened err... I hope it happened #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:42 PM EST
    R6: again #PBL allows Ss to hit the 4Cs while working toward understanding of the content established by people that make more $$$ than I do. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:42 PM EST
    YES! They do :-) I think it is then important that teachers have critical conversations about what those standards means. #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:42 PM EST
    I have felt this pressure. 😳 What should drive the decision about what is “essential”? #IDedchat
    • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:39 PM EST
      A5b: Teachers feel pressure to teach ALL of their standards to mastery - when some may not be "essential" to their grade level or content. This can be paralyzing as well. #IDedchat
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:42 PM EST
    A6 If you are a master at knowing your standards, don't limit yourself to a prescribed list of them on assignments. See mastery on a standard not in the rubric? Note it and update the grades if possible. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:43 PM EST
    That "decision" should be driven by collaborative/critical conversations by the teachers who are teaching "real" students. :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @MDiffenbaugh
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:44 PM EST
    Want to do something powerful? Have your Ss unwrap the standards to establish what they need to learn. I did this with Ss many years ago after hearing @DouglasReeves #idedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:44 PM EST
    That's amazing! #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @DouglasReeves
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:44 PM EST
    Student ownership and voice in their own learning is a powerful motivator. #IDedchat
    • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:44 PM EST
      Want to do something powerful? Have your Ss unwrap the standards to establish what they need to learn. I did this with Ss many years ago after hearing @DouglasReeves #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:45 PM EST
    Q7: What does innovation look like? #IDedchat
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:46 PM EST
    I appreciate what you shared, here. Having a PLC to support this kind thinking and planning is helpful and can be fun! #IDedchat
    • AwisemanAndy Jan 24 @ 10:38 PM EST
      A key when considering how to include student voice, how to differentiate curriculum and/or delivery, how to create time—is planning with a vision or goal in mind. Plan to use every minute of each class with purpose and intention #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:46 PM EST
    A7: Innovation is not being afraid to think outside the box, using new tools in new ways, AND taking what we "have" to do and put a new spin on it..possibly using technology but not in every case. #IDedchat
  • _datagirl Jan 24 @ 10:46 PM EST
    A7, ask Ss. I think innovation has to include autonomy and choice. And the more expertise we have, the more innovative we can be!#IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:46 PM EST
    Q7: Innovation can be guided or unguided inquiry. Thinking "outside the box" even in a box of standards. :-) #IDedchat
  • goodn3rd Jan 24 @ 10:47 PM EST
    A7 Sometimes innovation seems to simply be doing things that research has supported for years but no one else in the district seems to be doing yet. #IDedchat
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:47 PM EST
    A7: engaging students in the Standards for Math Practice and Anchor Standards requires innovative instruction and creativity #IDedchat
  • MrBurton09 Jan 24 @ 10:48 PM EST
    Mastering a standard can be at any time... Homework, test, on the board, project, interview, etc #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:48 PM EST
    Autonomy, voice, and choice - Ts and Ss can work together to design learning outcomes and activities that meet the diverse learning needs AND standards. #IDedchat
    • _datagirl Jan 24 @ 10:46 PM EST
      A7, ask Ss. I think innovation has to include autonomy and choice. And the more expertise we have, the more innovative we can be!#IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:48 PM EST
    R7: Innovation is taking something and making it better. Our problem is that Ss have been told to follow our rules and expectations and not question what we do in classrooms and it has reduced the ability for Ss to be innovative or think outside the box. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:48 PM EST
    Yes - and I love how much those two sets of standards are inter-related! #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:49 PM EST
    R7: there was a time when we had time to build towers and do finger painting in ele school. Someone decided that we needed to do more testing and these activities went out the window. It has led to the “zombie effect” of learning. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:49 PM EST
    That is where the 4Cs come in to play-Ss (and Ts) need to "unlearn" and "relearn" how to learn. Think about their own thinking - question everything. #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • Dale_Chu Jan 24 @ 10:50 PM EST
    A7: #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:51 PM EST
    Q8: How might "Essential Standards" foster innovative teaching and learning? #IDedchat (I may have touched on this earlier)
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:52 PM EST
    A8: It would allow teachers to be "masters" of the standard and allow deeper lessons for the Ss. BUT, ES or not...there are other important things needed to meet the ES goal too. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:52 PM EST
    A8: Essential Standards don't become the "only thing you teach" but instead narrows focus of mastery - opening up time to explore; take learning to a deeper level; extend thinking... #IDedchat
  • MrBurton09 Jan 24 @ 10:52 PM EST
    Yes!!! So many students struggle with creativity... I think it's so important for teachers to push creativity and all types. If students can explain why they did it and how they think it applies to the standard...I say bravo!!!! #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:53 PM EST
    Honestly, this relearning how to learn is difficult with Ss that have been beaten down and checked out from 2nd grade on when they didn’t have success or were told they were “bad”. I don’t give up on this, just being a realist with the current status of school. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:54 PM EST
    Agreed - The ES don't have to be the only thing taught - just what is monitored. Those other important things can actually have time that way... #IDedchat
    In reply to @keefe67
  • MDiffenbaugh Jan 24 @ 10:54 PM EST
    Yes! Connected educators, “..actively & constantly seeking new opportunities & resources...” @ToddWhitaker @Jeff_Zoul @casas_jimmy #IDedchat
    • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:43 PM EST
      That "decision" should be driven by collaborative/critical conversations by the teachers who are teaching "real" students. :-) #IDedchat
      In reply to @MDiffenbaugh
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:54 PM EST
    R8: This allows us to build on the foundation and make sure we have done a great job with it. If we don’t have that foundation, the palace of learning will crumble. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:54 PM EST
    Agreed - it a fight worth always fighting. ;-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:55 PM EST
    Can that message get sent above my "pay grade?" Ha! #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:56 PM EST
    Yes - many times our most "successful" students have the hardest time with innovation because it doesn't follow the "normal rules" of school. :-) #IDedchat
    • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:54 PM EST
      It is also difficult for students who have been "successful" in traditional systems - I often find these kids more resistant.
      In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 24 @ 10:56 PM EST
    Without changing it from PreK to 12+, I’m afraid we will spin our wheels over and over. We have to get away from the Test, Test, Test mentality and give Ss more opportunity to explore, question, research. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Well Hello! @steelheadstan I see you lurking on #IDedchat tonight! :-)
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Q9: Share one of the following from our chat this evening: new learning; confirmed thinking; changed thinking; "aha." #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:57 PM EST
    It's just too bad that we're required to test, test, test...#IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @averyteach
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:58 PM EST
    A9: Involve students in unpacking the standards. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:58 PM EST
    We have to find a way to not equate assessment with test....it is a struggle. #IDedchat
    • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:57 PM EST
      It's just too bad that we're required to test, test, test...#IDedchat
      In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @averyteach
  • id_rms1 Jan 24 @ 10:59 PM EST
    Thanks @averyteach and everyone else - I have to run. Good night! #IDedchat
  • keefe67 Jan 24 @ 10:59 PM EST
    Formative Assessment is great...formal paper/pencil not so much when we have to do it over and over and over and over and over and over again... #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 24 @ 10:59 PM EST
    So glad you were able to make it tonight Abe! #IDedchat
    In reply to @id_rms1