#edchatie Archive
Monday October 23, 2017
3:30 PM EDT
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:30 PM EDT
Welcoming me to tonight’s
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discussion. As usual please introduce yourself + add the hashtag into all your tweets too
WexfordHomeSch
Oct 23 @ 3:32 PM EDT
Hi i'm Jason from Wexford
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SenKidsCharity
Oct 23 @ 3:34 PM EDT
Massive stock clearance sale
https://t.co/HNdBjhqLSo
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#Sale
languagesdude
Oct 23 @ 3:34 PM EDT
Will be listening from afar ..! Copies to mark ..! Damien , MFL teacher , Waterford
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gleesoneduco
Oct 23 @ 3:35 PM EDT
Thomas Gleeson
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In reply to @fboss
AshDonohoe
Oct 23 @ 3:35 PM EDT
Aishling, pp science & maths tchr Louth.
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gaol_bird
Oct 23 @ 3:36 PM EDT
Anne-Marie, post primary teacher in Dublin. Both excited and apprehensive about new JC history spec
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fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:36 PM EDT
Fred Boss, 2nd level Art teacher, currently with
@NCCAie
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johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 3:37 PM EDT
John in Charlottesville
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dropping in for a while, waiting for a classroom to empty
marykateb
Oct 23 @ 3:38 PM EDT
Mary English and RE teacher in Tipperary
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ValerieLCarson
Oct 23 @ 3:39 PM EDT
Valerie: Guidance, French, SPHE.
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In reply to @fboss
ciaramcguane
Oct 23 @ 3:39 PM EDT
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Ciara McGuane, ed consultant with Rathu 😀
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 3:41 PM EDT
What should we know about these new specs?
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fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:41 PM EDT
Tonight's
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hour is on “New Junior Cycle Specification are refreshing” So, what are your thoughts on this topic?
friedacrehan
Oct 23 @ 3:42 PM EDT
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Frieda Crehan History and RE teacher Dublin, on secondment to JCT Team leader for History
AshDonohoe
Oct 23 @ 3:42 PM EDT
My feelings on new JC Science course are very mixed! The vision is great but reality is difficult and largely unknown!
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fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:42 PM EDT
Well, You can research them all here:
https://t.co/dL4e2Uzu3n
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In reply to @johnmayo
mrNeilButler
Oct 23 @ 3:43 PM EDT
Very interesting privacy developments for our students.
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onetruecathal
Oct 23 @ 1:48 PM EDT
Dept of E are now demanding that schools use compatible IDs to the
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database so they can link the POD to school DB "if necessary".
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 3:43 PM EDT
don't think I will need to know anything about them anytime soon.
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In reply to @fboss
phneedham
Oct 23 @ 3:44 PM EDT
Paula Needham: Geography and Mathematics teacher
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In reply to @fboss
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 3:44 PM EDT
think whoever proposes topic for
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should be here to lead the discussion otherwise u are wasting peoples time twiddling their thumbs
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:45 PM EDT
Wouldn't mind seeing where they are online over where you are
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In reply to @johnmayo
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 3:45 PM EDT
Signing off, have stuff to do
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stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 3:45 PM EDT
Stephen McFarlane, JCT Avisor for 🎶
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fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:46 PM EDT
Welcome to tonight's
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discussion on “New Junior Cycle Specification are refreshing”
In reply to @stephenmcf
AshDonohoe
Oct 23 @ 3:46 PM EDT
Issue time and time again with dept of ed, is implementing these courses before tchrs are given CPD. Happened with Pro.Maths too
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friedacrehan
Oct 23 @ 3:49 PM EDT
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CPD on the new Specifications being rolled out to teachers a year before the first tranche of students
ValerieLCarson
Oct 23 @ 3:49 PM EDT
The wellbeing spec is really well put together but falls short in terms of actual practical advice on implementation
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gaol_bird
Oct 23 @ 3:50 PM EDT
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my main hope for new history spec is that it can be implemented w/o industrial action...still feel at sea w/English b/c of no cpd
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM EDT
Search for Virginia SOLs for baseline mandatory standard testing. AP for college entrance
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In reply to @fboss
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM EDT
Nice opportunities for technology now across the board. Doesn't have to be seen as add in, digital skills part of specifications
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fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM EDT
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gleesoneduco
Oct 23 @ 3:37 PM EDT
A major change in Secondary Ed based on International curriculums like the IB and IGCSE
In reply to @fboss
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM EDT
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gleesoneduco
Oct 23 @ 3:38 PM EDT
It will take time to transfer the theoretical to the practical
In reply to @fboss
gaol_bird
Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM EDT
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hoping the new spec allows students the space to develop historical skills that the time constraints of old syllabus restricted
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM EDT
I would take that bet ;-)
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In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @johnmayo
gaol_bird
Oct 23 @ 3:53 PM EDT
My big concern is there is still a lack of access to ICT in schools...many students still without devices in classrooms
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In reply to @stephenmcf
phneedham
Oct 23 @ 3:53 PM EDT
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Inspiring an 'appetite for learning'.
In reply to @friedacrehan
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:53 PM EDT
Thanks
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In reply to @johnmayo
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:54 PM EDT
Do a lot of schools still have ICT locked down in their Acceptable Use Policies?
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In reply to @gaol_bird, @stephenmcf
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 3:56 PM EDT
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Some schools going that way, other schools going the opposite way! That's Irish schooling for you ;)
In reply to @fboss, @gaol_bird
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:56 PM EDT
There's a "Clipboard" feature to grab most of the info in the order you want and download as Word/PDF
https://t.co/EBvMUP2OQZ
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In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @johnmayo
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 3:57 PM EDT
Decision to get rid of Junior Cert was senseless. Yes, it needed improvement, not effective abolition!
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In reply to @fboss
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:57 PM EDT
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GaryPinidae
Oct 23 @ 3:56 PM EDT
I would assume so - which doesn't really reflect the real world. An interesting problem to solve.
In reply to @fboss, @gaol_bird, @stephenmcf
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:58 PM EDT
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GaryPinidae
Oct 23 @ 3:58 PM EDT
I agree. There are few things that can be as valuable as leveraging that. I'd like to see more focus on coding too.
In reply to @gaol_bird, @stephenmcf
fboss
Oct 23 @ 3:59 PM EDT
Just at the halfway mark in tonight's
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discussion. Remember to always include the hashtag
#edchatie
in all tweets tonight
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 4:00 PM EDT
Real appetite out there for teachers and students to engage with technology to augment the student voice.
https://t.co/Gpluhp67fo
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johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:00 PM EDT
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is there much PBL or UDL built in to the specs?
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:00 PM EDT
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Miriam PP business tchr, believe new jc specification requires different tch methods, more ict integration via ipads &Chromebooks
GaryPinidae
Oct 23 @ 4:02 PM EDT
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for sure, there needs to be willingness too. The use cases are no so complex, but offer consideration return & make things fun
In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @gaol_bird, @stephenmcf
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:02 PM EDT
Get back to me if you need any help - you can add/delete to clipboard & move them up/down as needed & then save/print
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In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @johnmayo
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:03 PM EDT
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notice difference between bringing Business class to computer room as opposed BETTERoption,Using devices in class more work ethic
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 4:03 PM EDT
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"Multiple means of representation to give learners various ways of acquiring information and knowledge" YES
In reply to @johnmayo
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:04 PM EDT
While the JC Principles, Statements of Learning & Key Skills go across all subjects, each new JC spec also plays to own strengths
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In reply to @GaryPinidae, @WexfordHomeSch, @gaol_bird, @stephenmcf
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 4:04 PM EDT
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"Multiple means of expression to provide learners alternatives for demonstrating what they know" YES
In reply to @johnmayo
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 4:04 PM EDT
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"Multiple means of engagement to tap into learners' interests, challenge them appropriately, and motivate them to learn." YES
In reply to @johnmayo
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:05 PM EDT
I agree that the new specifications almost require ICT integration, attempting to manipulate schools & teachers into adopting tech
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In reply to @miriambergin
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:06 PM EDT
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be careful not to increase digital divide with JC reform,have sts with no internet,want connect with parents on googleclassroom
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:06 PM EDT
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Both UDL and PBL are big here in ACPS
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:07 PM EDT
Allowing students to be assessed in different modes to their peers risks letting schools off the hook when it comes to literacy
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In reply to @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:07 PM EDT
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Digital divide with teachers and students :-)
In reply to @miriambergin
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:07 PM EDT
They are built into the specs but also rely on teacher to lead the learning and plan for it too
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In reply to @johnmayo
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:07 PM EDT
Motivation follows achievement, not vice versa. Reform should aim to raise standards of attainment, not levels of engagement
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In reply to @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:08 PM EDT
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student tasks need to be paper and ICT based,To remain inclusive & creative.JCreform enables Extraction different strengths of Sts
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:10 PM EDT
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I am really concerned that what could sink this is the teachers digital literacy from I have read so far tonight
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:10 PM EDT
Yes a digital divide but think tchrs are willing to upskill once they seeBenefits toWorkPractices, I teachDifferent now to yrsAgo
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In reply to @johnmayo
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:11 PM EDT
Most subjects can be taught with little to no ICT. Why make it mandatory? Subject knowledge much more important than "21C skills"
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In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:11 PM EDT
Can you not have one without the other - new JC subjects or not?
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:12 PM EDT
they are contemporary skills we are 17 years into the 21st C ffs
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:12 PM EDT
If the world is ever-changing, it makes no sense to teach 1st yrs to use tech that'll be out of date by the time they leave school
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In reply to @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
ciaramcguane
Oct 23 @ 4:12 PM EDT
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Some really interesting points made about how different teaching strategies and motivating students more important than ICT.
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:13 PM EDT
Most subjects taught with little or no ICT - doesn't need to be mandatory but does need to be recognised as necessary these days
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM EDT
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I am current getting 360 cameras, digital camera and zoom mics ready for DC trip for group of students to explore Statues & racism
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM EDT
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100% agree, engagement comes in many forms, as does all forms of expression.
In reply to @ciaramcguane
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM EDT
#jc
more conducive to everyday life, so kids can relate to it,Use of ICT mayAllow inspector toSeeClasswork without being in school
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johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM EDT
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so you are giving a teachers a cop out then
In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:16 PM EDT
I think we need to give kids access to ICT skills to help minimise the digital divide and enable future independent learning.
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In reply to @fboss, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:16 PM EDT
You can have engagement without learning. Attainment is start of a virtuous attainment-motivation cycle.
https://t.co/SigAkTZeyo
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In reply to @fboss, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
AshDonohoe
Oct 23 @ 4:16 PM EDT
Great that you have the funding to do that
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In reply to @johnmayo
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:17 PM EDT
They won a grant from the John Legend foundation to study what happened here in Charlottesville
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In reply to @AshDonohoe
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:17 PM EDT
I would always try to build in some sort of motivation at the start of a project with students, even examples of artists' work
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:18 PM EDT
But teaching is a zero sum game. Asking subject teachers to teach ICT skills(that they barely have themselves) means less learning
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In reply to @miriambergin, @fboss, @WexfordHomeSch
stephenmcf
Oct 23 @ 4:18 PM EDT
More than ever students have an opportunity to express their learning in any subject in a variety of modalities, digital is one.
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fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:18 PM EDT
Thanks for that link - really interesting - am scrolling through it currently
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:19 PM EDT
What does that mean though? Our capacity to learn is a direct measure of what we know; the more we learn, the more we can learn
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In reply to @speirbheangeal1, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:19 PM EDT
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A while ago, we had a lot of traditionalist dudes with bad knowledge hit town and it was no storm Ophelia
DeirdreMcDunphy
Oct 23 @ 4:20 PM EDT
Digital technology is not THE answer. It is a tool that can be used when appropriate. It can add to the learning experience.
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miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:20 PM EDT
true, but we need to pick a few apps and everyone use same ones,Create synergies among all tchrs if possible, we are all learning.
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @fboss, @WexfordHomeSch
AshDonohoe
Oct 23 @ 4:20 PM EDT
Adapting skills and critical thinking v important!
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In reply to @speirbheangeal1, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:21 PM EDT
Agree with that - it's not the be-all and end-all, just another way to learn or communicate/express yourself or reflect
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In reply to @DeirdreMcDunphy
AshDonohoe
Oct 23 @ 4:22 PM EDT
Couldn't agree more...it lends itself very well on occasion but shouldn't be thrown in at every opportunity!
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In reply to @DeirdreMcDunphy
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:22 PM EDT
YesButUse SAMR(Substitition,Augmentation,Modification,Redefinition) toDecide when to use ICT, last 2 is when deep learning happens
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In reply to @Eintrachtrob, @johnmayo, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:23 PM EDT
https://t.co/RxsnNBLvy8
I think kids' motivation largely comes from believing they can learn. Sometimes they need proof
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In reply to @conorsmurf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:24 PM EDT
It's Hallowe'en & mid-term break next week so there'll be no
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Enjoy your break and we'll be back discussing on Monday November 6th
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:24 PM EDT
SAMR is hard to get to the MR level for most teachers
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In reply to @miriambergin, @Eintrachtrob, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch
MS_eduIRL
Oct 23 @ 4:25 PM EDT
We want teachers to be confident in using technology in class. Get online
#EdTech
training here:
https://t.co/x9j5wRkBCn
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miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:25 PM EDT
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true but that is why we need whole school approach, identify app and pedagogy that works then everyone use it..
In reply to @johnmayo, @Eintrachtrob, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:26 PM EDT
I was throilled to actually meet Dr. Ruben Puentedura the SAMR creator in Chicago last Easter.
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miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:22 PM EDT
YesButUse SAMR(Substitition,Augmentation,Modification,Redefinition) toDecide when to use ICT, last 2 is when deep learning happens
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In reply to @Eintrachtrob, @johnmayo, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:26 PM EDT
For me it means accepting that motivation can be extrinsic & short-term to start, but intrinsic motivation can take time to build
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In reply to @conorsmurf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
johnmayo
Oct 23 @ 4:26 PM EDT
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are you a southsider now Fred?
In reply to @fboss
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:27 PM EDT
We're into the famous final five minutes of tonight's
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discussion on “New Junior Cycle Specification are refreshing” Last comments
EllenKMetcalf
Oct 23 @ 4:28 PM EDT
You got me there. Am taking
@C_Hendrick
's word for it. It is covered in "Why Don't Students Like School?", which I have read
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In reply to @conorsmurf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo, @C_Hendrick
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:28 PM EDT
No -still have to show my Northsider passport when going to work ;-)
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In reply to @johnmayo
miriambergin
Oct 23 @ 4:28 PM EDT
Yes would like to meet him, as I think it is the best model to use to explain potential of ICT to a teacher who is not convinced
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In reply to @fboss
levdavidovic
Oct 23 @ 4:28 PM EDT
There’s no research then?
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @conorsmurf, @stephenmcf, @johnmayo
GaryPinidae
Oct 23 @ 4:28 PM EDT
Many say that but few give examples
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In reply to @Eintrachtrob, @johnmayo, @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin
fboss
Oct 23 @ 4:28 PM EDT
So, are “New Junior Cycle Specification refreshing” ? Last thoughts, comments, ideas
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GaryPinidae
Oct 23 @ 4:29 PM EDT
This. You solve this problem by teaching foundations - core technologies and how to create... Not how to consume
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In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @WexfordHomeSch, @miriambergin