#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday February 12, 2018
8:00 PM EST

  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:01 PM EST
    It's #musedchat time! Our topic tonight: Diversity and inclusion in music education. Be sure to introduce yourself! Also, what's your favorite Olympic event?
  • phyllissings Feb 12 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Phyllis. Louisiana. 5th/6th Grade Music & Choir. Favorite Olympic Sport: Ice Skating but Curling fascinates me. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • mrsbrunacini Feb 12 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi, I'm Kristen! I teach elementary general music in Jamestown, NY. I like figure skating! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Great to see you Phyllis! #musedchat
    In reply to @phyllissings
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:03 PM EST
    How are you tonight, Kristen? #musedchat
    In reply to @mrsbrunacini
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Jon k5 in dearborn hi all!! #musedchat
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi, Kelly from Rochester, NY I teach 4-6 Vocal General #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Greetings! Amy from MI. I teach middle school band. I haven't watched any of the Olympics this year. No cable means no randomly coming across it and getting sucked in! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Joe from Ann Arbor. Digging the snowboard events. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:05 PM EST
    You could do what my brother did and get a VPN for the month...he's watching the Canadian broadcasts all day. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Welcome Jon, good to see you! #musedchat
    In reply to @ochoajon8
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Good evening to you, Kelly #musedchat
    In reply to @kellyapetro
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:07 PM EST
    That still means purposefully seeking it out. I enjoy reading good stories related, but watching anything was always accidental as I channel surfed. 😅 #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Q1 coming soon #musedchat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Sorry I'm late. Mikaela, K-5 General/Instrumental, Illinois. I don't get into the Winter Olympics. I love watching swimming in the Summer Olympics #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Hi Mikaela! The swimming is definitely great to watch, especially Katie Ledecky just demolishing everybody #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • Laura_Urda Feb 12 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Laura Urda, 6-8 choir and GM in Gahanna, OH plus high school electives (World Music and History of American Music). My husband is a hockey player so that (and curling) are always on top! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Q1: A 2015 study showed that music teachers in the US are overwhelmingly white, much more so that the pop as a whole. Why do you think minorities are underrepresented in the field? #musedchat https://t.co/UIMdJ4Jl0U
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Hi Laura, welcome to the chat! #musedchat
    In reply to @Laura_Urda
  • Frenchie414 Feb 12 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Nickie from North Central Ohio! I teach K-5 General music. First time twitter chatter! #musedchat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: Because getting into the music program at any university requires you to be in private lessons for years and to perform at a senior in college level as an incoming freshman. RIDICULOUS!!!! #musedchat
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: How does the diversity of music teachers compare to the diversity of teachers as a whole? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Welcome to the chat Nickie, glad you could join us! #musedchat
    In reply to @Frenchie414
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:16 PM EST
    According to p. 6 of this, teachers as a whole (in 2011-12) were 82% white. In 2015, music teachers were roughly 86% white. Pretty comparable. #musedchat
    In reply to @kellyapetro
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1 As a minority Ss i didnt find music 2connect to tho tht seems to have changed, how can we engage more w Ss background n identity? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Whoops, link https://t.co/SVVwTg456U #musedchat
    In reply to @kellyapetro
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: It's part of that cycle where when we don't see people who look like us doing something we're interested in, it makes it seem less plausible. #musedchat
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: I would speculate that the elimination of music programs in schools that serve students of color is a big contributing factor. In some areas of the country music education is considered a luxury that districts cannot afford. #musedchat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:17 PM EST
    And most of the instrumental teachers are white males. One of the few fields that has males as a majority. That was a PD topic for me at one point. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @kellyapetro
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Admission standards are tough now. If I had to audition today (with the same chops I had back in HS), don't know if I'd get in #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • mrsbrunacini Feb 12 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A1. I don't have a great answer for this question but I am concerned. #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Yeah, our field sort of started as white males studying music by other white males. Combine that with our tendency to be slow to adapt...#musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:18 PM EST
    This is the only major you HAVE to start by middle school years. You can't decide to be a music major as a freshman. Without that access to that foundation, it's not possible. #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • Frenchie414 Feb 12 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A1: It’s really interesting to think about. I teach in a culturally diverse district (in terms of student population), yet in my experience, the music staff is, yes, predominantly white. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Overall numbers say that roughly 50% of students are white...yeah, it doesn't match up in many communities #musedchat
    In reply to @Frenchie414
  • AssignmentHelpN Feb 12 @ 8:20 PM EST
    7 Effective Habits of Writing the Best College Application Essay https://t.co/EDtWOHuw0P #collabed #TLchat #musedchat #teacherwellness #nyedchat #SocEdChat #STEMHQ #vachat #WonderChat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1-2: We're also snobs about the lit one can read for an audition. You can be an amazing singer, but don't audition with Broadway or a pop song. #musedchat
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1: My entire district is predominately white teachers, administrators, and staff. That is not a reflection of our student population. #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A1the stat also speaks to how music is supported/funded in high minority/low income districts #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Q2: In what ways do you expose your students to diverse musical styles and performers? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Absolutely. Lansing basically got rid of all their elem music Ts a few years ago to save money. That would be unthinkable in the burbs. #musedchat
    In reply to @ochoajon8
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Saw a really interesting discussion on this on the BDG on FB. Great soloist played a "jazz" piece for Solo and Ensemble. Judge thought it was inappropriate for the type of performance. What makes that less legitimate than "classic" solos? #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: I've been giving this a lot of thought lately. I do a composer of the month and I'm searching out resources on diverse composers. It is not easy, and time is a factor. It's a work in progress. #musedchat
  • cybraryman1 Feb 12 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Juliana hop on to #musedchat happening right now to ask our music mavens.
  • mrsbrunacini Feb 12 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2. We do a lot of listening exercises with SQUILT sheets and coloring listening glyphs. I try to expose students to variety of music! #MusEdChat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: Depends on which school I'm at. One school, I am trying to teach music in their home language. I teach hip-hop and point out that there is a history there, and it isn't pretty and I'm not sugarcoating it. #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Q2 meet Ss where they r at, start w what is familiar. All music has music in it, instruction must begin w engagement n connection #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:25 PM EST
    What's a SQUILT sheet? #musedchat
    In reply to @mrsbrunacini
  • mrsbrunacini Feb 12 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2. I also am doing a unit of musical genres for 4th grade. In April and May I focus on world music with all grades. #MusEdChat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I am a big supporter of pop music in different languages too and making some connections. *reminds self about K-Pop* #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: Admittedly not well, but excited to diversify our music library with a grant we were awarded for our district MS bands. Looking to do some major updating and expanding! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2 Trying to get more diverse in our literature selection. Just bought $1000 worth of music by POC/female composers for our library #musedchat
  • mrerichanson Feb 12 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Eric here from Coppell, TX. I'm a K-5 music instructor, and I also direct an Orff marimba group, music theatre, and choir. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Good to see you Eric, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @mrerichanson
  • Gregbagby Feb 12 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A1) Music positions were getting slashed and many POC didn’t want to get a gig then lose it. #Musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Huh.. I've seen some stupid comments from my sister's S&E experience though. She got docked points bc a judge didn't like her outfit- which she had approved by my mom before she left. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:28 PM EST
    I'd LOVE to see what you purchased! May borrow from your list for our grant! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • Gregbagby Feb 12 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A2) I have the students bring in their music and I bring in mine and we search for music that is not represented. #MusEdChat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A2 as a musician i am always listenin for new music and the stories of the people creating it. Music becomes storytelling becomes history #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Man...some of those judges...we showed up in matching Hawaiian shirts for a brass quintet performance one year. Judge at districts loved it, states not so much. #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced, @AmyLynnRever
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Okay...I don't like the term 'world music' because to some kids, that's not 'world' it's 'home.' Am I the only one who hates calling it that? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Yes! DM me your school email, I'll send it your way tomorrow. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • mrsbrunacini Feb 12 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A2. I also think student interest surveys are important. Get to know your students! #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Love that idea. I think this could be a great icebreaker for my music tech kids. #musedchat
    In reply to @Gregbagby
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:30 PM EST
    It's a very Western-centric term for sure #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:30 PM EST
    I like "world music" about as much as I like "in the style of" when looking for authentic cultural music. Blech. #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • mrerichanson Feb 12 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A2: Part 1 - Exposure through experience is imperative. Seeing performances, hearing new sounds, and perhaps most importantly listening to each other. In CISD, we thrive on embracing cultural differences as something to celebrate. #musedchat
  • Gregbagby Feb 12 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Best thing I did for diversity in my music class was working at international camps and collecting music from@the kids there. #MusEdChat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever, @msmusiced
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:32 PM EST
    I've been making sure I say the actual genre instead of calling it 'world.' (ex: mariachi) Then I make sure my kids know what it's actually called instead of thinking it's something unattainable. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • mrerichanson Feb 12 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A2: Part 2 - last year my 5th graders did a PBL performance containing mini musical plays from 4 countries around the world. We performed for K/1, then broke into small groups and had discussions on cultural sensitivity and our reactions to things that are new. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Q3: What are some of the norms we must keep in mind if we are going to have inclusive, welcoming classrooms? #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Agreed. I've mentioned this before, but I struggle to do this well with MS instrumental. Just haven't found much in the way of authentic offerings that are accessible for their age/playing level. #musedchat
    In reply to @Laura_Urda, @msmusiced
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A3: I wish getting an ESL endorsement as a music teacher would be a norm...I'm loving the coursework and feel much more welcoming and accommodating, as well as a fierce protector, for my students. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Saw you mention that in a tweet the other day...what's the process like to get that endorsement? #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:38 PM EST
    If that student is comfortable sharing, that's important too. #musedchat
    In reply to @Laura_Urda, @AmyLynnRever
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:39 PM EST
    My employer made a cohort and they pay for half of your schooling- if you stay in the district for 5 years and pass the classes. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A3 Ss voice n identity must b valued. Dif groups of people use music in dif ways #musedchat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:40 PM EST
    I work in a dual language building- Spanish/English- so it was a no brainer. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A3: Be aware of what we accept as music. If we send the signal students' music doesn't belong in our class they will feel like they don't belong. #musedchat
  • mrerichanson Feb 12 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A3: Leading by example. Picking music representative of a diverse range of cultures. Include folk instrumentation. Making a point of keeping your classroom a safe environment that lifts Ls to success. #musedchat
  • Gregbagby Feb 12 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I moved to the office at a K-5 arts school. #musedchat
    In reply to @cari_w0lf, @jguarr
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A3: Making sure the music is authentic. I've seen some interesting Kwanzaa songs, written by white people. #musedchat
  • mrsbrunacini Feb 12 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A3. Be careful where we place value in regard to music literature. #MusEdChat
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I find myself jealous of choral colleagues when it comes to this. So many languages that can be explored that don't have the same impact when played on an instrument. We can listen, but it's not the same as the understanding through making music. #musedchat
    In reply to @Laura_Urda, @msmusiced
  • Frenchie414 Feb 12 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A3: Repertoire and classroom study music selection is crucial. Choosing what music students are studying, singing, and playing is vital. Therein lies a key to inclusion of many cultures, styles, genres, etc. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Brings me to Q4: how do you overcome concerns about authenticity? Like, even if you're teaching an authentic piece from another culture, how do you approach it as someone from a different culture? #musedchat
    In reply to @msmusiced
  • kellyapetro Feb 12 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A4: This weighs on my mind. What is better, no exposure or exposure done poorly? #musedchat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A4: As a general music teacher, I like to accompany new cultures with books and when I do the actual language component, I look it up. Especially in certain Asian languages. #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4 studying where the music came from is sometimes more important than how to play the music. #musedchat
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4-2: I teach Spanish all the time, and even speak quite a bit of it. The kids also know that I'm learning and think of new cultures as us learning all together. #musedchat
  • Gregbagby Feb 12 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Sorry BoyTeen wanted me to watch the snowboarding 🏂. #EdTechChat #MusEdChat
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Conversations like this make me think about diversity in things like our Basic Music List from MSBOA. Until organizations like that value more diverse selections, it will limit what's played regularly in performance ensembles. #musedchat
  • Laura_Urda Feb 12 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Finding a native culture bearer is huge but there is a lot available online that can help. We may not be perfect but we can be educated and be as true to a culture as possible with our means and musicians. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @msmusiced
  • SteveHolley_ Feb 12 @ 8:49 PM EST
    With a sense of humility and appreciation. It’s not “what can my Ss gain from this,” but “what can we all gain from this music, the lyric, the story?” That “what” might be different for everyone. #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:44 PM EST
      Brings me to Q4: how do you overcome concerns about authenticity? Like, even if you're teaching an authentic piece from another culture, how do you approach it as someone from a different culture? #musedchat
      In reply to @msmusiced
  • mrerichanson Feb 12 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A4: Literature extensions, and authentic video experiences. I also find that written reflection can help gauge the depth of lessons with Ls. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:50 PM EST
    We owe it to our students to at least do a small amount of research into the music we choose and its cultural context. We can at least open the door this way #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Can't blame him, Chloe Kim is killing it out there #musedchat
    In reply to @Gregbagby
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:52 PM EST
    This is one of the things that drew me to the @MMEAMichigan instrumental clinics...no required list. So we're just taking whatever we want #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever, @MMEAMichigan
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Q5: What resources are out there to help music educators be more culturally aware in their classrooms? #musedchat
  • randyvoisinet Feb 12 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Jumping in late....with so many cheesy arrangements with another cultures name in the title, we need to at least find the characteristic piece of the puzzle. Even if it just a different mode and a shaker in the background. #musedchat
  • centergrovemsc Feb 12 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Thanks for the mention! SamuelFritz: 2017-18 centergrovemsc centergrovemsn honors recital is underway! 17 of best MS band, choir, and orchestra students showcasing excellence! #E3CG #cgi3 #musiceducation #musedchat https://t.co/9qSmVsESJI
  • msmusiced Feb 12 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5: I bought curriculum in Spanish, written by Spanish speakers. I found it in the West Music catalog. Also- https://t.co/mMATGJfC4v covers a lot of things #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5 i watch youtube vids of musicians talking about what they listen to. Opens the door to all sort of new misic 4 me. “Whats in my bag” is a good one tho more geared to pop culture #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Feb 12 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A5also use app “whosampled” to showSs source material 4 their fav samples #musedchat
  • mrerichanson Feb 12 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A5: I tend to move towards resources produced by the people that understand the specific culture rather than large-brand name publishers when I'm worried about authenticity. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Feb 12 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Every time I open that site, it feels like I just black out for four hours. LOVE it. #musedchat
    In reply to @ochoajon8
  • AmyLynnRever Feb 12 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Pushing our orgs to diversify could have a big impact in getting more teachers to expand though. The music on the lists is good, but there's a lot out there being missed. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @MMEAMichigan