#formativechat Archive
Discuss the implementation, impact of Formative and formative assessment.
Monday October 31, 2016
7:00 PM EDT
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Coming up in 30 minutes join in the goformative great conversation build
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A1 no fears as our formative assessment has to be based on performance to assessment criteria
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A2 hopefully data can be generated from primary research to prevent finding out from internet
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I am super excited to host w/ starting in a few minutes!
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Q3 A1 use tangible assessment process based on subject spec for formative assessment
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Hope you all are joining us for !
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Hey everyone! Welcome to ! Please start by introducing yourself and your favorite candy or costume!
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David here! My favorite candy is almond joy. I love coconut and I am happy to be here!
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I am excited to host with You and have our here
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Happy Halloween everyone! Self Contained MD teacher from NJ! Best candy in the game is skittles.
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Hey y'all! 👋 Karie, 7th Grade ELA from NC! I love all of these costumes this year & Milky Way midnights!
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Hi, Rachelle from Pittsburgh, Spanish & teacher, costume & M&Ms
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Hi! My name is Jeanette, and this is my first Twitter chat. I'm a senior My favorite candy is Milky Way.
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Hello, Dennis from Long Island, NY... favorite candy is a frozen Snickers :-)
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Hi Rich, skittles are a good choice!
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Lets get started with Q1!
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Ooh good choice! I take mine back now!
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Hey Karie, thanks for all the tweets! Milky Ways are good too, anything chocolate!
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I'll take it a step further and say snickers ice cream bar, but not sure if that still counts!
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Welcome Jeanette! Hope you enjoy it!
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Sean from Orland Pk. IL
100 Grand bars are worth fighting over in my world, but all candy is delicious. Except circus peanuts
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Hey peeps! Happy Halloween (although NOT my favorite at all!) Shai, HS Math T from PA. Favorite candy: anything peanutbutter
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Welcome Jeanette! Great to have you join us 1st Twitter chat w/ us!
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A1: one fear I have is will my assessment be challenging enough to my students but not so diff. they don't find success.
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Ooh, skittles are super good! As a kid I made skittle water! Also, heard burying one inside a starburst was good!
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A1 I think the biggest fear is making sure the FA is authentic and provides data that can be used to shape instruction.
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Circus peanuts! Haven't heard of that in a million years.
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Each new answer has me rethink mine reese's pieces too!
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Hey Chris! Welcome! I saw some of your responses already! Can't wait to dive into them!
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A1: Big fear with any tech is that there's not enough to engage Ss & they become distracted - get off task on device.
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Hi Sean! Now I just remembered, always loved Whatchamacallits and 100 grand
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A1: I think one of the hardest things about FA is making sure there is enough time in the lesson for Ss to complete it.
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Hi, Niko PYP Coordinator and teacher librarian from Bangkok Thailand
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A1: Fears with formatives? I guess mine would be that I put every stinking possible answer in for the formative to auto grade
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A1: One fear is a worry that the task assessment is designed well enough to check for the right skills...
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Glad you can join today Shai! this week? I hope so
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A1: Am I asking too many questions? Could students use more of this time for independent learning/work
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I always like to get at least one throwback in there. How about a popcorn ball? My grandma used to hand those out.
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Exactly! Gotta find that happy medium.
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sometimes that's the hardest part!!
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I completely agree! We all want our students to be challenged but to learn as well!
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Agreed, I have the same fear at times, rethink it, reflect, ask Ss for input too sometimes
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A1 Might worry about the timing of the assessment. Gotta make it flow with the lesson/activity.
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A1(con): Have my students acquired the skills/concepts necessary to do well? Do I have a plan if they don't?
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or am I asking ENOUGH questions!! That's my doubts, constantly!
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YUM to popcorn balls. I found the perfect snack (from Amazon) that tastes like popcorn balls, but healthier.
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A1. Will be effective and drive instruction?
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we also want them to find success too. Confidence is half the battle!!
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Totally agree! In some cases might be before one S has a breakthrough +another is far ahead of what is assessed
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Yes! Student-led formative assessment is one of the goals!
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This is a constant area that Ts have to focus time on and monitor
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A1(con): How much time will it take to analyze and put into act on?
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Chris from UK - best chocolate ‘Yorkie’ bar especially the raisin & biscuit variety followed by Cadbury’s Bourneville bar
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Right, that is so important. Otherwise, may be a waste of time.
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A1: do any of you think people avoid FA because they think it is too much work?
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Different topic, , but a student actually asked me to make a formative. He told me they help him learn so much! :)
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Have that 'next thing' for those students to do who master the concept - move them forward
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Years ago I was told to take assmt & convert hw long it took me to figure out Ss time, was interestng
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A1 sometimes it might be daunting to invent new ways to ask the same questions
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I have done this some, plan to do it more
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Yes! + assessment making process is a way to review + reflect on their own learning!
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Hi Niko, good to have you join!
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Driving instruction is the biggest part. Gotta have a game plan going into it with the possible results
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late this side of the pond so wanted to make a start before bedtime! :))
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I got to admit that sometimes I felt like I simply wasn't being efficient. so in that way yes
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LOVE LOVE Clark bars, and Almond Joys too!
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Absolutely! How do make sure each our students find that success? Is it
better to set standards high?
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I definitely have worried abt this, Ts are always learning, we make mistakes & grow, reflect
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my grade 5 students were asking for exit tickets
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great! and hopefully in the future we can give Ss formal ability to create formatives too!
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A2: if the data isn't what you (or admin) want it to be- kind of "facing the facts" is hard, but not all data will be good.
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Yes! I have some Ss who also ask the same thing.
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A2: I guess one would be scared if all Ss have no clue how to do formative, but I love seeing who needs those one on one conv
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I would guess that yes, some do, depending on schedule, needs, but tools help process
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A2. It can be abstract or subjective and it can be difficult to ensure that the right data is being tracked
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I try to set the bar high and adjust for specific students. Personalized goals.
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Agreed, maybe we can ask 1 question and have Ss find alternate ways to ask it, learn from them
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A2 what if data shows that my Ss don't know anything, I have to teach it again? a former T asked me...
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Personalized goals sounds like a great idea! Is it practical?
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it is as the middle ground will either be to hard or to easy- could do multi tasks easy to hard
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yes! it can be difficult to find what wording/format works best for each student!
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A2 My biggest fear in looking at data and it not being where I want it to be. Gotta self-reflect and make a change
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And there is another lesson, take risk, see results, learn, reflect, move on, keep trying!
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A2: When Ts aren't given PD or help to analyze data effectively. Stats class isn't required for Ts. Help Ts utilize data
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agreed! it's hard not to have expectations of how every Ss WILL do
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A2: FA requires careful reading from teacher and thoughtful feedback. Requires self reflection from T if it is to be of use
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Sometimes we do have to re-teach,why data critical for Ts to see trends, self-eval
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Had to miss the first half but am excited to be here! Happy Monday! And Halloween! 🎃🎃🎃
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Part of my routine for FAN was to teach students to ask ?s about topic associated with Bloom's Taxonomy levels
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totally! or what if data is misleading? what if they are proficient in that skill, but not foundation one
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Stats can be difficult, had 1 course in undergrad then not till grad work 25 yrs later,
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A2: What if Ss do poorly on the FA, even if they know the material?
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Yes! I found that my Ss hadn't seen translations before by giving a formative. Knew what I needed to do after.
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Hey Abbi, happy Halloween!
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always need plan B or C or …… until Ss acquire the skill or understand the concept
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imho any assessment is always feedback for me, how well have I personally performed
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Exactly. We don't need to get crazy w/ stats & data but know how to use it to address gaps in learning
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Definitely, my backup plans have several backup plans
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Then T would need to find another way (avenue) to get Ss to show that knowledge.
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And to add on, fears as a new Tincluded having right Plan B even if you know "what" to teach
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. Yes! Gotta be ready for what the data says and make an adjustment and decision based off of it
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I don't grade formatives at all. I give feedback, but no grades. Formatives have to be one avenue for Ss to show/notshow know
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Definitely, then we can have a conversation with Ss, learn what was diff/not challenging, & revise
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what if T doesn't have time to find another way before the end of the lesson?
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agreed! and it can be difficult to find the right org. systems to follow up on feedback given from T-S
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Gaining control of classroom flow & how to adjust instruction is big learning curve 4 newT
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We have to do the best that we can, try and see what happens, learn for next time
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My 1st question would be how do you know they know, but can't show? Just simply having Ss talk to you can work.
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Are any student created? sounds like a great plan
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It may not be that exact same day either. It's okay to revisit.
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It is still a learning curve for experienced Ts too,
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A4: If Ss do poorly, reevaluate your piece and try again! Maybe even try in a different way. https://t.co/axXLzTJExs
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A2: What if Ss do poorly on the FA, even if they know the material?
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My Ss do create, and I put them together for all Ss.
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That is why the conversation piece/relatshp bldg so critical, use data to engage Ss in reflectn
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Yes, one team selected a cycle ride & I organised it to take place along a 24 mile route
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agreed, never assume that Ss have constructed meaning, assess it.
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I usually look to myself first, and think through my instruction/resources, go from there
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That is really awesome, I bet they really like that opportunity
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Try tagging questions to standards or if those aren't specific enough skills! https://t.co/4BOcZiM6jQ
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A2. It can be abstract or subjective and it can be difficult to ensure that the right data is being tracked
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This is one of our school wide goals. Working with Ts to effectively analyze data.
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That is what our PLC time is used for as well. Ts looking at scores from common assessments.
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how can we facilitate transfer of knowledge into application if Ss haven't constructed their own understanding
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Another fast chat this wk! Great conversation and encouragement happy to be in the group
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A3: Keep collecting data efficiently and frequently! Look for small successes/improvements! https://t.co/D8vxxLyEXR
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A2 My biggest fear in looking at data and it not being where I want it to be. Gotta self-reflect and make a change
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Self-reflection is something that I have tried to do more of over the past few yrs, & each day!
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That's awesome. It's okay if you find one that doesn't. That's part of growing and learning.
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Personalized goals aren't always practical, in a dream world I'd do it way more. https://t.co/rPJbQU11UZ
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Personalized goals sounds like a great idea! Is it practical?
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So funny - many of our Ts think they're all alone in this, but I Tweet 1 thing & BAM! I have PLN support
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altogether that means that one needs to be flexible and teach the Ss not just curriculum benchmarks
