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pgow Oct 13 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Welcome to #ISEDchat. I’m guest moderator Peter Gow, executive director of the Independent Curriculum Group @indycurriculum in Boston-ish

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Tonight’s #ISEDchat topic: Does accreditation drive school improvement & innovation?

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:01 PM EDT

It’s visiting committee season. Tonight’s #ISEDchat will explore our experiences & expectations re 10-yr re-accreditation process.

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:01 PM EDT

#ISEDchat uses a Q1/A1 format

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:01 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q1: Please introduce yourself and tell us where you’re from and what you do.

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Enjoyed https://t.co/2Qay4FuwY6, as well as @MLTSfilm #indyschools & @cwra_beat schools @BCDSchool @ALAcademy @RiverdaleCS #ISEDchat props

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Rob from St. John's Episcopal School in Dallas #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Hi, @pgow and #isedchat folk. Been a while. Mark Crotty, head of St. John's Episcopal in Dallas. Strong opinions on this topic.

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Hi, Rob, Lee, and Mark Welcome to #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:04 PM EDT

A1 Basil from Ridgefield Academy in Ridgefield, CT. Hi, everyone. #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@crottymark Can hardly wait to hear more on #ISEDchat tonight

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Greetings. Lee from https://t.co/Np1W4KbAJW & @cwra_beat in Philly tonight - performance assessment 4 learning.#ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@bkolani Hi Basil--welcome to #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@pgow Hope to deliver. Tweeting while in recovery from achilles surgery, so may no tmake it through. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:05 PM EDT

So: #ISEDchat Q2: What has been your experience/role in school accreditation? Visited? Self-study leader? Innocent bystander?

patrickfhansen Oct 13 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Patrick Hansen, STEM teacher and director of after school programs at Rosarian Academy in West Palm Beach. #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@patrickfhansen Hi and welcome to #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A2 All of above and on @ISASouthwest standards committee. Will lead a team in April. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A2: I’ve been a part of 2 visiting committees and been visited once. Have also done several curriculum-focused visits for the IB. #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A2: took part as faculty member at previous school. Seemed like tons of paperwork! #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@crottymark @pgow Topics you don't have strong opinions? Was thinking abt you re creativity. Will dig out article at some point. #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:08 PM EDT

@leefink @pgow Maybe some stronger than others? #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A2 Served on three visiting teams and worked on self-studies and two different schools #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:09 PM EDT

@crottymark Done all those things myself, though not a team leader #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:09 PM EDT

@skeeTX It is...but not all of it bad. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:10 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q3: What is your understanding of the purpose of the 10-year school accreditation cycle and the evaluation process?

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:10 PM EDT

@pgow Have found every role a great learning experience. #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:10 PM EDT

@crottymark @pgow best for a speedy recovery #ISEDchat Heel better. sorry couldn't resist.

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:11 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A3: I like to think it's about "improving the breed"--fostering better programs & policies. But sometimes maybe too light a touch

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A3: generally, I would think accreditation holds schools accountable. Are they moving in right direction. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A3 Twofold: Making sure basic standards are met, but more about helping schools become better versions of themselves. #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2 Tangential, only through eyes of @SAISnews schools in various phases of process. Can be extraordinary & inclusive process. #ISEDchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:14 PM EDT

@pgow I have been on a visiting committee and chaired my school's accreditation. #ISEDchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A3: to provide external validation to stakeholders that a school's practices align with its stated mission #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A3: I think a part of it is to evaluate how well the school is doing what it says/thinks it does. Also a chance to address issues. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:14 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 Hi, Lorri! #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:14 PM EDT

@leefink Can be fantastic if school embraces with right spirit. #isedchat

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pgow Oct 13 @ 9:15 PM EDT

@crottymark @leefink We're gonna be exploring that "right spirit" in a few on #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:16 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q4: In general, do you feel that accreditation process is effective in improving schools or driving innovation? Why or why not?

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@pgow @leefink Figured you were leading us there! #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A4: Doesn’t “effective in improving schools or driving innovation” assume that those are reasons for accred? Are they necessarily? #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Q4 completely depends on leadership on both sides of the process. Can be great or a series of hoops to jump through #isedchat

patrickfhansen Oct 13 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@gen_learn Well put! Mission and vision #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A4: But I’ve seen that they can help solidify improvements but also be a place for schools to overstate what they are doing. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@pgow #ISEDchat yes, it allows reflection but only when the organization actually wants progress or forward motion.

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@bkolani Great point! I am not sure that it IS always the intent. It's that "right spirit"--engaging to improve #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Sorry, meant A4. In general yes...but could be much better. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:19 PM EDT

@bkolani Only certain standards. Otherwise plenty of room for variation. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:19 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin @pgow what purpose is accreditation for a school that doesn’t want forward motion? #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:20 PM EDT

@skeeTX how do we define direction? #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:20 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A4: I worry that system as it it allows schls to kind of crystallize & celebrate their own status quo if that is inclination

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:20 PM EDT

@pgow study leader! #ISEDchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:21 PM EDT

I like it when a protocol provides rank and file teachers opportunity to give direct feedback to a team in small groups. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@bkolani @jgregorymartin @pgow A seal of approval (even if most don't really understand). #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@bkolani @jgregorymartin Pat on the head and a modicum of market validation only #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@pgow Big part of why we need new models. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@pgow totally agree! lots of paperwork, but no push to improve. thankfully i don’t think that's most schools, but it’s possible. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A "right spirit" Q #ISEDchat Q5: Have you/yr school found the self-study process illuminating, helpful, inspiring? How? If not, how so?

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin I'd say fulfilling our mission to prepare whole child to be lifelong learners and kind/empathetic people #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@pgow @bkolani it must tie to the mission. Does the selfstudy allow the mission 2 come through? If not, is it time 2 address miss #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A4 Not when check-box approach used w/@cla_beat or @cwra_beat as a tool for process, esp in #highered #ISEDchat https://t.co/wbv5sYrkgP

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@pgow @jgregorymartin i suppose the question to ask is how many schools you’ve seen NOT get re/accredited. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow for some it is a credential #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@bkolani @jgregorymartin Tis rare to not be reaccredited in the absence of some pretty big, obvious problem #ISEDchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:24 PM EDT

A4 Conversely, have seen tremendous innovation and ahas as well. Helps schools look where maybe they don't want to look. #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:24 PM EDT

A5: self study should affirm our why OR assist in realization that mission is not being reached #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin @pgow sure, and that’s a legitimate reason. but does the process “direct” improvement? #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@skeeTX Have you experienced the latter at all? #ISEDchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow not many. Maybe just a pointing out of an area "to improve" #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A5 I think so, mainly because we made it inclusive, many voices heard. Honest in our reflecting, and we took recs seriously. #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:25 PM EDT

should be noted there is a VAST difference in the process between public and independent schools. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@gen_learn @pgow @jgregorymartin sure. but that’s not the same thing. and hopefully that’s a sign that most are doing well by Ss. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@gen_learn Good point, that #ISEDchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@leefink unless you have a case of the "emp new clothes" #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

a5 We did ours soon after I became head, so was able to use it as valuable tool in learning about school and advancing my vision. #isedchat

patrickfhansen Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@bkolani @jgregorymartin @pgow I would agree that there's little value in the process itself if the schools lacks a growth mindset #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@gen_learn even better are systems that would never identify anyone as a “rank and file teacher”. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@crottymark How does a school find/create that spirit, that desire to make the best use of the process to drive improvement? #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@pgow No, but we discussed our Why as a school last year and it's an important Q to always keep in mind! #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow when guided and viewed as a tool for improvement. #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A5 It also set tone for how I wanted us operating as community. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:28 PM EDT

@crottymark we are along those lines and frankly it is going well! #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:28 PM EDT

@crottymark the timing of that visit must have been a great “welcome present” of sorts. #isedchat

patrickfhansen Oct 13 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@bkolani @gen_learn @pgow @jgregorymartin Similar to pd plans for Ts - only going to truly improve teaching with the right mindset #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@pgow Like anything else, endless work of creating the right culture. Set expectations; celebrate publically; chastise privately. #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin true, very diverse politics at work, as an outsider. stakeholders for status quo, capital plans, admissions,Ts #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@bkolani I loved it. Great opportunity, as indicated in other tweets. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:31 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q6: If you’ve been on a visiting committee, did you feel as though your work was helping the school?

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:31 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin It can set you up for several good years when done right and aligned with other priorities. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:32 PM EDT

A6 Has varied. BEst was wehn school used a different model and we were brought in as experts in certain areas. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:32 PM EDT

#ISEDchat https://t.co/1QhAu1VEFg

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@crottymark part of me feels a self-study should be mandatory in year 2 of a new headship.

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:32 PM EDT

A6: Definitely. It was all in service to the school, though at times the visit felt checkist-y. “Are they doing this? Yes.” #isedchat

ksivick Oct 13 @ 9:32 PM EDT

#isedchat hello all, schools do get placed on provisional accreditation and it is a call to action but you wouldn't hear about it

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:32 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A6: Only once when a school was teetering & we on cte felt we made a real difference w/ perspective. A little bit other times.

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:33 PM EDT

@pgow yes, but only if the school valued the visit as a positive event. #ISEDchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:33 PM EDT

@pgow Q6. I feel that a lot of it was validating what they wrote in their self study. In that way, yes. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A6 Another time not so much because I felt school was saying "right" things but didn't really believe them. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A6: I definitely think a committee I was on shed light on an improvement to be made. Felt like we did our job. #isedchat

ksivick Oct 13 @ 9:33 PM EDT

#ISedchat at the very least accreditation demands self reflection, that's always a good thing

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@ksivick Hi, Kim--good point abt "You wouldn't hear abt it." Seems like those schls might be great case studies #ISEDchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@crottymark that is our hope/plan here! #ISEDchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:34 PM EDT

I wish my kids could have attended your school! #ISEDchat public school parent here, character/integrity/respect pr… https://t.co/ATloq3o1Fc

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin I'd say fulfilling our mission to prepare whole child to be lifelong learners and kind/empathetic people #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@crottymark is that a problem with the process if that’s allowed to happen per the rules? #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin My self study was before GAFE was mainstream. Organization, communication, and documentation was so important. #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:35 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 @jgregorymartin GAFE has sure changed the process #ISEDchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:35 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow @jgregorymartin Great question/point. #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin Interesting. Of course, in way de facto one occurring. Depending on situation, could be onerous and distracting. #isedchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@leefink To me, content is secondary. We need to produce good kids full of respect and confidence. Academics will work out too. #ISEDchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@crottymark isn't that the key? Saying what you do and doing what you say #ISEDchat

ConsultJodi Oct 13 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@leefink It depends on what is modeled in the school. #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin @crottymark It's the key to "passing," but is it enough? #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:37 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin @crottymark Ps should demand that for their kids! #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:37 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q7: Have you experienced or heard of “accreditation fail”—an unhelpful process or a dud of a visiting committee? What happened?

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:37 PM EDT

#isedchat Q6 the q assumes that they want to. I think there are lots of independent schools whose mission is grounded in tradnl methods.

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@bkolani Sure. But it's more a feel than anything. Hard to really deal with intent. #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin @crottymark I felt like our school grew during the self study process... the visit/report, not as much. #ISEDchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@pgow @crottymark my feeling is the value is in what happens after the visit. #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin @crottymark Amen to that--the response is key #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@pgow what’s the alternative? a self study that asks for specific plans to innovate/change/improve? #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@ConsultJodi Its all about the grades & scores - affluent public, pressure cooker for kids. point of pride is bond rating #ISEDchat

ksivick Oct 13 @ 9:39 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A7 If it's a strong organization, they step in and support or replace the committee, selecting a good visiting team is crucial

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@pgow yes, when one vcom member had no idea how a boarding school worked #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow @jgregorymartin Think about how drastic doing that is. Not an easy deal on either end. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:40 PM EDT

@bkolani In theory it kind of does, but it's not weighted to really inspire innovation/change #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:40 PM EDT

@pgow @jgregorymartin Yes!!!! #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:40 PM EDT

@crottymark @pgow @jgregorymartin absolutely. even with room to improve, it would be a heck of a rec and/or something to deal with #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow Yes, which is the model I advocate. Right now it's too cookie-cutterish. Could be much more school specific. #isedchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@leefink For many it's a/b the grades but that's detrimental to whole child. Life is more than grades. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@ksivick #ISEDchat A7: Once had a cte completely not "get" what schl doing--passed, but cte was just going through motions--not helpful

ksivick Oct 13 @ 9:41 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A7 also if a school has a history or a potential issue, the team is selected to evaluate and make appropriate suggestions to help

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@crottymark @pgow it’s sort of like a school grappling with traditional assessments vs. portfolio. current models are the former. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@pgow @jgregorymartin In most agencies follow-u[ reports are major part of the process. #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:42 PM EDT

A7 - Have not experienced it, but pretty sure it happens. I think a lot hinges on the quality of the v-team chair. #isedchat

Mr_DeLucia_XC Oct 13 @ 9:42 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A6: the visit can help prioritize known issues, and maybe ID a gap that was unrecognized. Experienced team head helps.

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@crottymark @pgow would love an accred process that essentially says, “Show us what you’ve done in ten years. #isedchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Any conflicts ever arise between committee and school??? #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q8: What would you add or change to make the current accreditation process a more effective driver of improvement & innovation?

ConsultJodi Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

@leefink Yes. That's public school until high school. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

Easy to forget the process is ongoing. It's not just a once-every-ten-year deal. #isedchat

kevinjruth Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

#isedchat Hi there, just coming in now, late to this chat. Interesting topic.

ksivick Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

@pgow #ISEDchat A7 a solid accreditation director makes sure the process is a growth experience, it is a specialized and difficult job

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow Great analogy! And it should be formative rather than summative. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:43 PM EDT

@bkolani @crottymark @pgow for some schools that would be horrific. Others it would be a showcase. Neat idea though! #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:44 PM EDT

@gen_learn can’t be overstated how important the visiting committee chair role is. i’ve had the priv of working w two great chairs #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:44 PM EDT

@skeeTX yes. Grudges and misinformation. #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A8: simplify process to more efficient. And prevent schools from doing what we've always done mindsets #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:44 PM EDT

@crottymark @pgow absolutely. the work is never done. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Q8 is the grand finale of #ISEDchat tonight. Would love to make a list of great recommendations.

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:45 PM EDT

@bkolani @pgow Good ones already do that. In fact, some assoc such as @ISASouthwest ask for annual progress report. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:45 PM EDT

@pgow a full year review but the accreditation body. Multiple visits. More dialog. Not very practical though. #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:45 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin I could see personalities clashing if schools feel vulnerable in front of committee #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A8. @pgow rec 1. Self study- choose sub committee chairs who are organized and communicate well. #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A8: Ensure that all faculty and staff are a part of accreditation visit in some way. Everyone has to play some part. #isedchat

jgregorymartin Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

@skeeTX always a risk. Can it be buffered? #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 @pgow if that doesn’t happen, doesn’t it say something about the school? could be a good indicator. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

#ISEDchat A8: I'd like a std that asks schools to be collaborative with one another in substantive ways--the @indycurriculum in me talking

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

a8. Variety of models. Teams chosen per school's stated desires/needs. #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:46 PM EDT

@bkolani Wonder if the talent pool is small and some heads suffer from burn-out because they are the ones getting tapped. #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:47 PM EDT

@bkolani And hold Ts accountable before, during, and after process! #isedchat

kevinjruth Oct 13 @ 9:47 PM EDT

#isedchat Do take a look (video) at a fresh approach to accreditation at https://t.co/5vaH4WbjIb

ConsultJodi Oct 13 @ 9:47 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 @pgow I would say find someone outside the school body (broad community) to give your school feedback. #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A8. rec 2. set a reasonable timeframe for self study sub committee report revisions. Build in as much time in school as possible. #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:48 PM EDT

a8 Make it less about meeting a check list of standards and more about teaching and learning. #isedchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@jgregorymartin maybe not, but if leadership keeps big picture in mind and aims for growth, may lessen the feeling #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A8 - eliminate as much boilerplate protocol as you can. focus on real goals to meaningful issues / challenges #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@gen_learn But the pool isn’t that small as long as all member schools are involved. Aren’t more accreds than viable team members. #isedchat

ConsultJodi Oct 13 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@gen_learn @bkolani There is a huge lack of knowledge about indy schools among public. The former head of NAIS came from charters #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@gen_learn You mean focus less on the fireproof file cabinets? :-) #ISEDchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@gen_learn A8. Yes. Need time for those great, in depth discussions. If under time crunch, the boilerplate takes over. #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A8 Yes, other stuff like business, safety, etc all matters, but often it becomes the emphasis. #isedchat

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@pgow @gen_learn Yes... and the size of toilets in Early Childhood... ! #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@ConsultJodi @gen_learn sure, but i’d bet there’s just as much of a knowledge gap of pub school process by indies. is that a prob? #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 @gen_learn Agree, but I think the models help foster that. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@gen_learn oh, i agree, but that’s also why every school should have candidates for accreditations. that’s not the case. #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@gen_learn We call it diamonds in diamonds out. So long as Ss get 2 highly selective colleges, not much impetus to change/grow #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@leefink @gen_learn Too true! As long as kids don't regress school thinks it's great! #ISEDchat

ConsultJodi Oct 13 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@bkolani @gen_learn Maybe. Public schools have plenty of applicants. #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 @pgow @gen_learn the thing is, stuff like this (and fireproof cabs) are important. just not "critical-important". #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:52 PM EDT

One thing visiting teams have to remember, too, is that it's about school's dreams, not team's sense of what they should do. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:53 PM EDT

#ISEDchat Q8 corollary: What would you/your school most want from an accreditation process?

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:54 PM EDT

@lcarroll94 That's a great chair! #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:54 PM EDT

@gen_learn yep, because they’re best equipped to deal with the “every bucket” focus of a visit. #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A8 That they got our school, fell in love with it, and delivered their recommendations in that spirit. #isedchat

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@pgow @gen_learn Data from @cwra_beat would say plenty of room for improvement - not sure where fit is w/accreditation #ISEDchat action

kevinjruth Oct 13 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@crottymark It should be about where the school is on a continuum of “becoming.” #isedchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@pgow i often thought a peek at accred body’s exemplar best practices, but it’s always about the indiv school, not a comparison. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@crottymark +1 zillion to that! #ISEDchat

skeeTX Oct 13 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A8: affirmation that we are serving our Ss in the best way possible #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:56 PM EDT

@kevinjruth Love that way of putting it. #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:56 PM EDT

@bkolani They can seem to steer away from "best practices" as a scary or oppressive notion #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:57 PM EDT

@kevinjruth @crottymark I like this, but what, then, is the endpoint? How do you define the “this is ideal” side of the continuum? #isedchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:57 PM EDT

@kevinjruth Yes! Thank you for that #ISEDchat

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:57 PM EDT

@pgow and rightfully so. but every now and then a school could use a “have you heard about what x school is doing with y?” #isedchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:57 PM EDT

Great conv tonite. Now I'm even more excited for @ISASouthwest heads mtgs in month, when one topic is redesigning self study. #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Oh, hey, almost forgot. Monday is first #isedchat webinar on designing 21sc C. learning spaces check it out https://t.co/W8ycwiUdCQ

leefink Oct 13 @ 9:58 PM EDT

A8 Equal or flexible weighting of qualitative & quantitative measures so underlying mission not shortchanged #ISEDchat

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:58 PM EDT

@bkolani Hence my wish for a collaboration std so that that sharing becomes part of the fabric of schools' lives and cultures #ISEDchat

crottymark Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Thank you @pgow Always a great pleasure. Good night #isedchat and thanks much.

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Oh, hey, almost forgot. Monday is first #isedchat webinar on designing 21sc C. learning spaces check it out

bkolani Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

@pgow yes, absolutely, definitely. #isedchat

gen_learn Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

here is the link to #isedchat webinar info https://t.co/W8ycwiUdCQ

kevinjruth Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

@bkolani @crottymark #isedchat I’d suggest removing the notion there is somehow a defined end point. All schools are evolving, constantly.

lcarroll94 - Moderator Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Thanks to @pgow for a fantastic #Isedchat tonight! :)

pgow Oct 13 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Our hour is up, and so we bring this week’s #ISEDchat to a close.