#langchat Archive

#LangChat is dedicated to the discussion of topics associated with issues and trends in world language instruction and learning. Educators, administrators, learners, and aficionados of world languages are encouraged to participate and share their experiences and input on various topics such as new ways to teach vocabulary, using music in the language classroom, and making standards-based grading valid. This chat is also unique in that it brings together language educators worldwide and from different contexts (elementary, secondary, higher education, etc.) and languages.
Thursday September 21, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    #langchat: Hola and welcome to tonight's chat! Please share who you are, and where/what you teach. Also, a warm fuzzy from the classroom!
  • participatechat Sep 21 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #langchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/q9PdwKw6v4
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Amanda from KS. Spanish 1-2 currently. My Ss finished 1st novel ever & i'm so proud! #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    #langchat Yay! finally made it! Alicia Q from Chicago. We are having some nice weather these days!
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    great news! What novel did you guys read? #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    nice weather? What's that? ;) #langchat
    In reply to @klasekastellano
  • Srta_Zeiner Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Christine from ct! I teach high school spanish #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    We read BB dice la verdad! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • CrookedCaddis Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Sarah from Idaho. Spanish 2&3. My student teacher had a great day today! #langchat
  • mmeaida Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Franny in Daytona. Teaching French 1-2 and IB. Warm and fuzzy after today's French Club interest mtg with 30 kids 🙆🏼 #langchat
  • SraMarconi260 Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Buenas noches! My name is Amanda and I am a Spanish teacher in a middle school in New york!! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    #langchat I teach Spanish 1 and 4...but I am really a life coach for students!
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Oooh! That's awesome! Way to give back by being a mentor! #langchat
    In reply to @CrookedCaddis
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    #langchat: I'm Elizabeth from Central Iowa, Spanish 1+2. I had a stu tell me they hung up my note in their room this wk!
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    I'm Rachel from NC, teaching HS Spanish. I love tonight's question and can't wait to read #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Maris-MS/US Spanish Md. At back to school- a mom told me her daughter watches Netflix & has her phone in Spanish b/c of my class! #langchat
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hey #langchat! Julia from NJ, HS French. Wished my classes "shana tova for those celebrating" yesterday and had kids get all excited!
  • tajohnson68 Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Tracey from MN, teaching Spanish 1-4 #langchat
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Bill Denham in Charleston WV. Teach Span 1-4. I made my Span 3 students do #BookSnapstofsy and it was a ton o fun! #langchat
  • MaryBethHills Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    First time I can make it this school year! Mary Beth from metro Detroit, MI. French 1 - 3/4 (split) #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    30 kids in language club is #goalsssss My school doesn't even have one! 😭 #langchat
    In reply to @mmeaida
  • SraWienhold Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hola #langchat! Allison, grades 7-12 Spanish in Iowa. Today when asked how long wanted to free read, lvl2 class requested 20min 😊
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hey, #langchat! Wendu, French 1 and AP in Ohio. My kids were so nice to me yesterday after I told them I had a migraine. They're the best!
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi, I'm Julie, Kinder-4th grade Spanish teacher in Maine :) #langchat
  • MbiraAbby Sep 21 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    #langchat Abby from Indiana Spanish 1 MS peeking in from my research class
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    oooh those are good warm fuzzies! #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Also, found out that #langchat counts for one of my grad school assignments! Huzzah!
  • BThompsonEdu Sep 21 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Bethany in CA- French . only here for a bit today #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Today I had multiple kids asking to listen to Tengo tu love for the 500th time. It keeps going #langchat
    In reply to @klasekastellano
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hi #langchat! Melissa from Huntersville, NC. Teach Spanish levels 2 & 3 and @LNCDigCit. My warm fuzzy from the week:
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hello! Steph here, high school Spanish in South Carolina, currently teaching in a MAT program #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Tell us your secrets.... #langchat
    In reply to @SraWienhold
  • Meganclaire87 Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Megan from Connecticut. Spanish 3 teacher! #langchat
  • bjillmoore Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    #langchat Had a long discussion with our learning specialist on this topic today!
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    bonsoir #langchat! Elisabeth from outside Houston, teaching french - don't you love it when kids request a fave song from last year? :)
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hey! I’m Bill, Spanish teacher in IN! #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    I wish every grad school required #langchat!
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    I think tonight's topic is a good one, too! Can't wait to learn from you all! #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis
  • SenorG Sep 21 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    My friend is a chef who didn't need to correct this output in order to *communicate effectively* https://t.co/KOeH5uuS5n #langchat
  • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hey! Hey! Diana here in Texas! Taught Spanish and now Program Coordinator in Klein ISD #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    duuuuude. That's cool. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • SraWienhold Sep 21 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Well the secret is we compromised with only 12 min (cause I knew 20 would be too long). #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    #langchat - remember we use a Q1/A1 format so remember to put A1 when responding to Q(question)1. Thanks!
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Bonsoir #langchat. Kris, H.S. French in Nashville. We had our first Journée Génie shareouts this week. #awesome
  • GMancuso13 Sep 21 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Bonsoir #langchat ! This is Gretchen in CT. I teach middle school French, 7th & 8th this year.
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    glad to see you here chica! I didn't realize you taught university! Learning something new every day.. #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    #langchat Q1: What constitutes an output error worthy of correcting?
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1 when there is breakdown in communication. #langchat
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    My Span 2 Ss love CD9 and are singing along to Angel Cruel. They know all the words. I had no idea! #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1 Incomprehensible to even the most sympathetic listener. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    yeah, but how do you get them to WANT 20? I just can't them to pull it off... maybe it's the level? #langchat
    In reply to @SraWienhold
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1 anything that compromises comprehensibility #langchat
  • SenorG Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Sorry to jump ahead with that but about to go into Rosh Hashanah and wanted to share w #langchat first:)
  • senoraMThomas Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Hi #langchat ers! Melanie from Rochester NY. Spanish 10, 11, 12
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    I always say one that completely changes the meaning/confuses the listener- hambre vs hombre #langchat
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: My fave phrases is "errors do/do not impede comprehensibility". If I can't get it, we're gonna chat. #langchat
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Bonsoir from Nashville #langchat I am Sally & teach French 1, 2 & IGCSE at one of the most diverse high schools in TN!
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    breakdown for who (in your opinion)? #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • CrookedCaddis Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: I occasionally correct Spanish 3 students that make Spanish 1 pronunciations errors (ex. ella) #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: the longer i've taught the less I feel the need to correct output. Only if I can't understand at all. #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Just so everyone knows, it's past my bedtime. #mynameiswendy #notwendu #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    #langchat A1 when output is utterly incomprehensible...which may be an indicator or understanding input depending on the circumstances
  • Srta_Zeiner Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1 one that hinders a student's comprehensibility by sympathetic and native listeners #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1 typically, I address errors that either significantly interfere w being comprehensible or... 1/2 #langchat
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: Depends on the level. Lvl 1= incomprehensible to sympathetic listener... high levels= incomprehensible to native speaker #langchat
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    #langchat pronunciation! Kids seem most interested in getting that right over grammar, etc
  • SlocumBeth Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Salut #langchat. Beth from NY French & Spanish
  • CrookedCaddis Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    @srawilliams3 I completely agree. I used to correct more #langchat
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    For the receiver of the information #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A1 2/2 or constitute vocab/content we've focused on/ practiced so often I am now looking for more accuracy #langchat
  • senoraMThomas Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A1 I try to tell if Ss are ready for feedback. I have Ss who set goals and I know they can handle some #langchat
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Especially the false cognates and the bad google translates! #langchat
    • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:07 PM EDT
      I always say one that completely changes the meaning/confuses the listener- hambre vs hombre #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    How do you draw that line? I feel like they are ALMOST the same thing... #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A1: When the error changes the meaning of what they were trying to say. #langchat
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    I so struggle with this! Change never seems to be reflected in their future speech. Any tips? #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • tajohnson68 Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1 I agree that when comprehension breaks down it's time to correct, #langchat
  • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: I'm not one to correct Ss. I typically repeat what's said correctly w/out emphasis. We want our Ss to be comfy in our class #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    I LOVE THIS RESPONSE! #langchat
    • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
      #langchat pronunciation! Kids seem most interested in getting that right over grammar, etc
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    I used to correct so much! But, the less I correct, the more they learn IMO. :) #langchat
    In reply to @CrookedCaddis
  • SraRoblesHHS Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    #langchat Senora Robles - HS Spanish b teacher from the Chicago suburbs. Warm fuzzy: playing a successful game of catchphrase today!
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    It's important to acknowledge this should look different for each level A1 #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q1 maybe we should differentiate between speaking and written errors? #langchat
  • SenorG Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    OT: for #langchat peeps going to #actfl17 ticketing just went live for this show featuring 100% language teachers:) https://t.co/pcpdMVGNiP
  • SraWienhold Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    I really have no idea. It is early morning, a quieter class. I think they like the relaxation & no accountability of it. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Maybe misworded tweet bc of course native speakers are often used to errors from non-natives, but for example my heritage..(1) #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1 Not sure. Been to so many conferences lately that tell me not to, just to model correct output and let it come. #isthatright #langchat
  • SraMarconi260 Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1 comprehensibilty and pronunciation. It really depends on the level of the class and students #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    @Elisabeth13 I practice pronunciation with some tongue twisters for fun! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @Elisabeth13
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Me too :) #langchat
    • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:10 PM EDT
      A1: I'm not one to correct Ss. I typically repeat what's said correctly w/out emphasis. We want our Ss to be comfy in our class #langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1: I correct them when the errors they make changes the meaning of the sign completely. #Work #ASLTeachersKnow #langchat
  • mmeaida Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    I'm with @Elizabeth13 in that I correct pronunciation pretty often and when I see repeated grammar errors from multiple Ss #langchat
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1: #langchat admission, I correct more than I should, even though I know about affective filter. TY, Dr. Krashen.
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    This is less abrasive (& I do it too), but I still think it counts as correction if we're changing what was said as we quote them #langchat
    In reply to @sullydatechie
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    (2) class last year that were only used to their own dialects in family had a VERY difficult time understand my Spanish 1s and 2s #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • tajohnson68 Sep 21 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1 But also I feel it depends on the mode. Interpersonal = less correction, Presentational (writing) = time for multiple revisions #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    #langchat Q1 we're still working on the first question for a little longer!
  • dkcrump1299 Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    ¡Hola! #langchat Dustin Crump here from Wilmington, North Carolina! 😎
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Bonsoir #langchat - Laura from NC, French - running a bit late tonight.
  • Meganclaire87 Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    common mistakes that I don't want the other students to hear and repeat. I.e. Friendly reminders of ser/estar #langchat
  • senoraMThomas Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1 I also consider emotional needs. Confirmation of spitting out utterance may just need positive even if compreh is jeopardized #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Yes!! And can help with motivation and confidence if they feel like they can say it correctly. #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    This is always what I hear as well, but is it the right choice? Someone in a grad class said the opposite, got me thinking ... #langchat
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    This is interesting. I actually don’t think there should be error correction in writing. That feedback doesn’t do a lot for Ss #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • MCanion Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1 when the ss requests that you correct him #langchat
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Agree! In upper levels, verb conjugations become much more important. I always say watch your verbs - they tell you WHO and WHEN! #langchat
    • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:08 PM EDT
      A1: Depends on the level. Lvl 1= incomprehensible to sympathetic listener... high levels= incomprehensible to native speaker #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    #langchat this semester I REALLY want kids to know difference between I have & s/he has...
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    I think it is when I can figure it out ONLY because I also speak Eng. It is hard for me to distance myself from my Eng knowledge #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    I try to do that as much as possible as well! #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3
  • PRHSspanish Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    #langchat A1
  • MmeJGillespie Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Joining the party a little late. I'm Jessica and I teach French in MN. #langchat
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1 agree with having to correct a communication misfire from mispronunciation or wrong word choice or obvious online translation #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Hmmm.... then should we even grade/evaluate writing at all? #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @Elisabeth13
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    This is always a struggle for me! A lot of my kids write both and I don't know if it's an input issue or something else! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    But wasn't Wendu a Jedi Master? I so see you as a Jedi Master of lang acquisition, so...#langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    I agree - it would be helpful to chunk this between oral and written output. #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1 I don't even consider Google Translate errors as errors. IMO, you didn't produce any language to be corrected. #soapbox #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: Any error that impedes comprehension/communication. #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    I agree, but feel like if I take points off on a rubric without marking ANYTHING will it make sense? #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @Elisabeth13
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Evaluate, yes. Grade. No. It IS assessment, but I don’t think should be a Formal assessment. #langchat
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Yes I find this hard as well! I have to get my students access to more authentic audiences to know which errors need correction #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    I also think it's where TRUE interpersonal comes into play. WHO has a date tonight? Big diff if it's me or them! #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • MmeJGillespie Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: It depends on the student. Some are shy and I don't want to discourage their attempts to speak. I usually rephrase what's said #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Oh goodness! #langchat friends keep giving me titles I can't live up to!
    In reply to @KrisClimer
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    #langchat A1: I don't have a lot of output on that question! Good food for thought. I think correcting when recasting to Ss is helpful. This
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    #langchat I think everything has balance. If sts learn that errors help us learn, & we create a safe environmt to commit & learn from errors
    In reply to @profedenham
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Hm, I found the opposite!! Better writing lead to better speaking, so I paid a lot of attention to it. #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @Elisabeth13
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    I don't know the answer to this either! Where are the #langchat Gods with all the answers?!?
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • dkcrump1299 Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1 When you notice a trend of reoccurring, equivalent errors made by a variety of Ss #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    That's so tricky to figure out. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @welangley, @Elisabeth13
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Good to consider students' personalities and what correction could do to/for them! #langchat
    In reply to @MmeJGillespie
  • senoraMThomas Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1 What's error correction called when T restates correct? I think research shws least effective but hard to not do It's my go-to #langchat
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    So glad things have changed. I still have scars from getting corrected harshly in college. #langchat
    In reply to @profedenham
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    True. This error usually stems from my personal inability to give adequate input to the "je" form. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    I don’t think so, and especially at level 1/2 they don’t have enough language to make the input of corrections worth anything. #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • SraBurbano Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Hola #langchat! Im Angela from Chgo, HS Sp1,2&3
  • CrookedCaddis Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: I also don't want my students heading off to college making major mispronunciations! #langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Students can typically pick up proper grammar from modeling done by the teacher. #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Research says... The debate rages on. #langchat
    In reply to @SraMcNeilly, @MmeFarab
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    This probably depends on your belief. ACTFL's IPAs would beg to differ, but I know CI world's beliefs stress input. #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Most writing I look over now is for feedback to help students improve and only IPA writing is graded on a rubric. #langchat.
    In reply to @welangley
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Recast? #langchat
    In reply to @senoraMThomas
  • SraRoblesHHS Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    #langchat A1 imo, a serious error is something that would prevent someone from comprehending the message.
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    I think so. But I teach in a college prep school where many alumni have said they appreciated learning the grammar for writing #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @welangley, @Elisabeth13
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    YES! Are we doing a disservice to our kids who go on to university levels if we never correct? #langchat
    • CrookedCaddis Sep 21 @ 8:15 PM EDT
      A1: I also don't want my students heading off to college making major mispronunciations! #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Overall, corrections applied *judiciously* have the most impact. #langchat
    In reply to @SraMcNeilly, @MmeFarab
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    It's made a difference in how my students write and confidence for many of them. #langchat.
    In reply to @welangley
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    AP course this summer said don't correct writing. but... but... but... that's what teachers DO, right??? #langchat
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1 I have Ss choose presentational writing goals and give specific feedback on those #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    #langchat I find processing w a student as to WHY it's an error (they have to do the processing, w guidance from me) it's more effective
    In reply to @senoraMThomas
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Again, I have heard this too, but if I don't mark anything to improve, how will students know what is wrong? #langchat
    In reply to @profedenham
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Someone in my grad class told me they need rigid learning in lower levels to receive more input at upper levels ... hmmm ... #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    #langchat Q2: How can we address these errors without resorting to L1?
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    I have really come to think this too. Back to teaching 1-2 & the less nit picky I am the more they produce & better production #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @Elisabeth13
  • MCanion Sep 21 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1 with an error don't we want to model negotiation of meaning rather than correcting? #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    But I also struggle with- will you turn them off if it is so rigid? I want kids to LOVE learning language in lower levels #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    This ties into my A2 - which is I ask a follow-up question in TL rather than "correct" #langchat
    • MCanion Sep 21 @ 8:17 PM EDT
      A1 with an error don't we want to model negotiation of meaning rather than correcting? #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    #langchat it's all in the environment we create for our students. Our entire elem school talks about errors as a learning opportunity
    In reply to @klasekastellano
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2: How does everyone feel about including metalanguage in the TL as part of instruction? #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    I agree. I tend to focus on basic structures and use them repetitively in input and that helps #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly, @MmeFarab
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    I don't think so. I think it's about correcting at the right time. IMO #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    YES! Ask CLARIFYING questions using correct language, or restate to the entire class what S said #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Rigid learning?? What does that even mean!? #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @SraMcNeilly
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2: Sometimes I will give options in the TL to let students hear which one sounds correct #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    #langchat Repeating, modeling, asking simple questions such as: do you mean "this" or "that"? But modeling is the best.
  • mmeshep Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    #langchat Lisa, French teacher in MO joining in on the phone. Going to have to lurk tonight
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    In my experience as dept of 1ish, upper levels had enough input that they were craving grammar refinement by level 3. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @MmeFarab, @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    i'm trying to develop a code - circles for wrong conjugation but don't correct, etc #langchat
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: as others said earlier...recast, also visuals, asking for clarification in L2.#langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: I model the correct sign again & again, but if the student continues to make the error, I move their hand to match mine. #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    #langchat A2: If it is systemic, then I think a mini-lesson, reviewing the quality the input and addressing misunderstandings help.
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    I don't know. We had a strictly TPRS taught student voice frustrations over not knowing tenses when trying to communicate #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Yeah, not a fan of that term "rigid" 😂 I think you can be rigorous without being rigid #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @MmeFarab, @SraStephanie
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: address errors with more input. #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Right. There comes a point when the kids want accuracy. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @Marishawkins, @MmeFarab, @SraMcNeilly
  • daltonprofe Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A1 Know each student and decide if feedback constructive or destructive to "buy in", treat communication breakdown authentically #langchat
  • sradana_cems Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Perros heroínos 🐾🐶🇲🇽🐶🇲🇽🐾❤️💚 #langchat #authres
    • ajplusespanol Sep 21 @ 7:00 AM EDT
      Los héroes y heroínas en México vienen en todas las formas y tamaños 🐶
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I've picked errors to focus on and I input the heck out of it. #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    As someone who was stricter about conjugations etc and is not now- pretty much they will end up with the same errors regardless #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Yes. This is the #growthmindset we worked to adopt school-wide starting in 2015. #langchat
    • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:18 PM EDT
      #langchat it's all in the environment we create for our students. Our entire elem school talks about errors as a learning opportunity
      In reply to @klasekastellano
  • SraMarconi260 Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2 by rephrasing the questions & modeling the correct pronunciation for the students to follow #leadbyexample #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I still teach grammar. Have to, and kinda want to. I work on finding the balance for that very reason. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • SraRoblesHHS Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    #langchat A2 I usually try to recast their sentences with errors, especially if we're reviewing hw as a class.
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Structured classes maybe?? THAT I can see. Lots of routines so the language is very repetitive. #langchat
    In reply to @SraMcNeilly, @Marishawkins, @MmeFarab
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    The biggest difference I have found is confidence and ability to speak when I moved away from traditional approaches #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2 I usually say what was good, and how to make it better - this works better w/ written feedback than spoken. #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2 #langchat I stopped recasting last year so much and experimented with framing it in the perspective of their response. “me gusta?”
  • GMancuso13 Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    in my district writing is a grading category so have to grade it. Do quick read thru and circle/ask guided questions for 1st draft.#langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    For example, I hand each kid their paper assignment and they ask "¿para mi?" and I say "sí, para ti" followed by gracias & de nada #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2: I also do rephrase in L2, question, mini lessons as needed. If there's still a lack of understanding, I use L1 (last resort).#langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2: If it’s a grammar error, I ask them to copy me and then sign the sentence they signed using the correct grammar. #langchat
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Q2 in speaking, repeating w correction (no over emphasis like my old profs) in writing - I'm using green & purple ink instead red #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    #langchat just as little children refine their native lang, our students also tweak many errors. Some need more direct instruction. 1/2
    In reply to @klasekastellano, @SraDentlinger
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    #langchat Q3 is still ongoing!
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Ditto! #langchat
    • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:21 PM EDT
      A2 I usually say what was good, and how to make it better - this works better w/ written feedback than spoken. #langchat
  • frenchteacher11 Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    "The limits of my language means the limits of my world." What a lovely quote! #langchat #fslchat #frimm #alcdsbfsl #alcdsb
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    That's really interesting but has not been my experience...my students that have had TPRS seem to navigate tenses more intuitively #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @SraWilliams3
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A2 It's back to modeling with gestures. Also, use visuals, I have word and verb walls all over my room. Pointing works too. #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    #langchat 2/2 esp w languages whose grammar is so dramatically different, sts can't infer rules b/c they don't have a frame of reference
    In reply to @klasekastellano, @SraDentlinger
  • CrookedCaddis Sep 21 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A3 I agree with others that creating a welcoming classroom environments makes corrections by Ss and teacher easier #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    #langchat almost done with Q2 and ready for Q3 soon!
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Moi aussi! This is also how I do drafts/feedback in my Creative Writing class. So useful! #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Now I did not have this stu - she had T's who were there b4 I got to the school so hard for me to have a say in quality #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis, @SraWilliams3
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: Pointing to their notes or posters around the room or the board... anything to help them self-correct. #langchat
  • SraRoblesHHS Sep 21 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    #langchat A2 And I try to find a song that uses that concept correctly. Ex: 'favorito' b4 noun cloze activity w. Romeo Santos heroe favorito
  • Meganclaire87 Sep 21 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Q3 my students get participation points for raising their hand and sharing out in Spanish.. they know even wrong answers count! #langchat
  • frenchteacher11 Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    So careful in how I correct students... Had a prof that DESTROYED my confidence. Oral errors = gentle paraphrasing in my response #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A3: I’ve been doing a lot of “Oh! Class! Bob says “I like hamburgers”. In the TL #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    I'm going a lot more posters this year with words/phrases and the students are really using them. #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: I think accuracy comes from lots of ACCURATE comprehensible input, with opportunities for output with real feedback. #langchat
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Yep! Errors are normal no matter the method used - it is part of the learning process #langchat
    • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:20 PM EDT
      As someone who was stricter about conjugations etc and is not now- pretty much they will end up with the same errors regardless #langchat
      In reply to @MmeFarab, @SraStephanie, @SraMcNeilly
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Having a hard time with #langchat tonight. Not a fan of “error”. I prefer “not yet”. It’s how students speak at each level of proficiency.
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2 with that said, maybe a quick jaunt into the L1 is a good for clarification. Laser focus correction if it seems to be common #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    #langchat I feel like there is, & should be, a place for continually refining accuracy, just as we do as Ts/Lang learners ourselves
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @SraWilliams3
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Same here! I give my students participation points for staying in the target language every week! #langchat
    In reply to @Meganclaire87
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3 the classroom vibe must be set to where Ss feel they belong and are accomplished! They want to be much more involved #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: modeling correct form & also giving constructive feedback. LOVE rubric from @senoraCMT that sets up for good feedback #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: I am still trying to figure out how to best give feedback for my level 5 #langchat
  • frenchteacher11 Sep 21 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: If it's serious, I may address it - like Je suis fini vs J'ai fini (I'm dead vs I'm done). I make a joke out of that one. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • senoraMThomas Sep 21 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    this is opp for teacher to collect insight into common errors and use as pop-up grammar. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Does focusing on errors imply a focus on accuracy? #minorfocus #focusoncommunicstioninstead #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Right? Giving feedback for AP this year has been a struggle. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3 lower levels get written and spoken reframing to reinforce nuances both ways--upper levels get verbal negotiation of meaning #langchat
  • GMancuso13 Sep 21 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    I'm sorry #langchat , I'm not seeing any of the questions tonight and having trouble following.
  • athomeinspanish Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    As a college instructor, yes! I've seen too many students have to undo mistakes that were never corrected in HS. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    #langchat Q3: How does error correction look different for you based upon the class level?
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I feel like this topic could be dissected based on levels. Lvl 5 needs way different things from lvl 1 #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Do errors even really exist? #langchat @teawithbvp
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I think about the long-term. My first college Spanish composition class was a nightmare. Accuracy has to start somewhere... #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I got a whole collection of stylo plume just for that purpose. Multicolored and culture rich. #langchat
    In reply to @lushluxe
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Generally, yes. But if the language is such that I, the sympathetic listener, can't understand, something's gotta give. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    I'm curious... how do students respond in those situations? #langchat
    In reply to @athomeinspanish
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    My friend did it the last two years and she said she learned so much! #langchat
    In reply to @jaybeekay518, @Marishawkins
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Whoaaa...#langchat. Just caught up and saw we were on Q3...
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    has anyone ever asked an ELA teacher how they handle corrections in writing? they have to have the same issues? #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A3: I don't think my approach to feedback changes - just the proficiency that students have reached changes. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Looking at the proficiency guidelines accuracy “starts” at advanced. #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie
  • SraMarconi260 Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    We are talking a lot about correction and I hope we have time to discuss positive feedback for students. So important! #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Haha! Glad I am teaching BOTH this year! :) What does 5 need? #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • spanishplans Sep 21 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Just gonna drop this here from @PRHSspanish #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Confession: I've never taught level 5! So I bow down to the experts #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A3: I always strive for improvements. Accuracy helps improve communication. Higher levels require more refining, piece by piece #langchat
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A3 I've mostly quit correcting errors for low lvl. Modeling mostly. Span 3 gets explicit corrections, but that's bc it's AP prep #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    You might be the exception but in my experience language teachers (including myself) are the least sympathetic. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Have to agree based on feedback from my alumni & experience writing A LOT in college. I try to give them the best of both worlds! #langchat
    • athomeinspanish Sep 21 @ 8:27 PM EDT
      As a college instructor, yes! I've seen too many students have to undo mistakes that were never corrected in HS. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    yes, we will! #langchat
    In reply to @SraMarconi260
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    I'm also ELA certified, I always start with "done well" and "areas to improve". For improvements, I just focus on 2 or 3 #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    I have a friend who does middle school ELA, who says that correcting isn't helpful, but feedback is. #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
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  • MCanion Sep 21 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    What does teaching for accuracy look like in the classroom? Translate English sentences, fill in blanks? #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A3 W my Kindergarteners I rarely correct directly; by 4th grade we refining more directly when appropriate #communicationiskey #langchat
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    the AP summer institute at SMU is amazing - the prof is an AP reader and taught us lots of tips:) #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @jaybeekay518, @Marishawkins
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    The issues are similar in my mind. @SraStephanie did research on writing in L1/L2. I'm sure she has lots of comments #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13, @SraStephanie
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Yeaaaaaah, I err on the side of "any kind of comprehensible is good enough for me." I don't know that I can recommend it, however. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    From the little I know, ELA still seems rigid (ex:memorizing automatic responses) but I'd love to hear from someone who knows more #langchat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Do you have a rubric or checklist? I would love to see it! #langchat
    In reply to @LauraErinParker, @Elisabeth13
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A3b: also think that more input/time naturally refines communication. #langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Q3: I don’t think it looks different from level to level. I ask them to try their best and I help them be the best they can be. #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    When what they say is so wrong that it is incomprehensible?? A certain *degree* of accuracy can go a long way. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Glad @tmsaue1 chimed in. I agree here. I once heard @JohnDeMado say errors are what editors find. #langchat
    • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:24 PM EDT
      Having a hard time with #langchat tonight. Not a fan of “error”. I prefer “not yet”. It’s how students speak at each level of proficiency.
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    If what the S produces is a true representation of what’s in their head, then it’s not an error. #langchat
    • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
      See, I think the emphasis needs to be on input input input
  • mmeaida Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Fantastic to remember: start with positive to be more receptive to feedback #langchat
    • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:29 PM EDT
      I'm also ELA certified, I always start with "done well" and "areas to improve". For improvements, I just focus on 2 or 3 #langchat
      In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I do HS ELA too and I completely agree. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @Elisabeth13
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I notice every single error but I also have heard enough mistakes that it is rare I don't understand what they are trying to say #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @MmeFarab
  • bhsduhamel Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    They need to be able to reach that next level #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Just realized I've been reading the topic on the photo and not the question for each A ... Did I mention it's past my bedtime? #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I did a whole study on it!!! Lots to say. #langchat
    In reply to @LauraErinParker, @Elisabeth13
  • dkcrump1299 Sep 21 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A2: In TL: "Hmm. Sry but I don't understand. There is a problem with the [interrogative]." (Guide S to a think-pair-share w Ss) #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Bottom line: Feedback and revision are king. #langchat
    In reply to @LauraErinParker, @Elisabeth13
  • Srta_Zeiner Sep 21 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3 Nov- i'm just happy they r producing- little correction. APs code their work w correction symbols & let them fix. Def effective #LangChat
  • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    If HS lvl Ss typically leave as int. low to mid, it is inderstandable they will make mistakes. NS make errors all the time #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3 I'm struggling with how far to take correction in AP ... general accuracy will be important, but how to help them get there? #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Day off- so I got to get a #langnap! #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • senoraMThomas Sep 21 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    I think mistakes are really what we can correct bc due to an oversight and w/in realm of knowledge. error is something don't know. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    If accuracy interferes with comprehension then yes it’s a problem. But to me it’s a comprehensibility problem vs. accuracy error #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    I have lots, but I only teach Creative Writing right now. Let me see what I have saved on home computer. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @Elisabeth13
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Could you elaborate on the difference? #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
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  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    What if- students are doing great in everything except some grammar points? Is it ok to mention it then? #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Oh la la I think I may be doing this too. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • SraArelleHughes Sep 21 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Arelle, Spanish, MD. A3 At any level, errors need to occur. w/o equals no room for growth. Show me the errors! #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Amen! #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie, @Elisabeth13
  • Oraib_Mango Sep 21 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    me neither. I don't Corct but note students' repeated"errors" and would use text and ci for acceptable usage #langchat
    In reply to @LauraErinParker
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    I wondered why all the questions seemed so similar ... #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @lushluxe
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    #langchat time for Q4!
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Difference is the message that kids receive during feedback process. #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    But what if what they create is chock full of errors? #langchat
    In reply to @profedenham
  • SraMarconi260 Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    #langchat the relationship from teacher to student plays a large role. I think the Ss need to feel safe before they are corrected in any way
  • Oraib_Mango Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    totally agree it's part of the learning process #langchat
    In reply to @SraArelleHughes
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I do the same thing - running list of issues and then work that into future lessons via reading, practice, etc. #langchat
    In reply to @Oraib_Mango
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    But you're the one usually arguing they should be in intermediate pretty early on. If they're in intermed, we teach for advanced #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @SraStephanie
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3: Lang teachers LOVE high-quality, native-like discourse. We just have to remember that it takes LOTS of "errors" 2 get there. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I make a list of common errors I need to refine, too! Then use lots of input to try and correct #langchat
    In reply to @Oraib_Mango, @LauraErinParker
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I wonder what the research says about correcting errors. How do we evaluate if our feedback/corrections actually help proficiency? #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: I think circling has been a gem to help with corrections. REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT. #langchat
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4 Ss take home in-class writing, correct and complete a writing reflection. Self-eval seems to have helped awareness! #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Yes, and they crave feedback #langchat
    In reply to @SraMarconi260
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    I look for gaps in acquisition, and try to focus on those gaps. Since we don’t TRULY know the order of acquisition idk if it helps #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    As far as I know, the research says it's not helpful for the masses. Just the high flyers? Maybe I'm wrong. #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis
  • kkeefe_hassan Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    I struggle with this-5th year teaching AP. But Ss need, above all else, confidence with spont. lang so not too much correction #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    But, more input can’t hurt. #langchat
    • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      I look for gaps in acquisition, and try to focus on those gaps. Since we don’t TRULY know the order of acquisition idk if it helps #langchat
  • mmeaida Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A4: my Ss get participation points in form of cards, so we go around room answering 1 Q sometimes. Lots of repetition but personal #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    #langchat A4: to combat the I have vs s/he has, I do LOTS of PQA in different ways so they have lots of exposure.
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    I like using Google Forms for writing reflection! #langchat
    • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      A4 Ss take home in-class writing, correct and complete a writing reflection. Self-eval seems to have helped awareness! #langchat
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    That's what I've heard before too... but I've just heard it, not seen the research for myself so now I am curious. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Q4: I have the students record themselves signing projects and then give them the rubric I use to grade them, to grade themselves. #langchat
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    We're sympathetic outside our classroom, but inside we are more critical b/c we see Ss errors as a reflection of our teaching. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @MmeFarab
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    IMO, they get to Adv. by lots of CI and oppor. to make "errors", its the opportunity, more than correction that helps accuracy. #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @tmsaue1, @SraStephanie
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    #langchat A4: If I'm working on a reading, I bold or underline concepts we're working with to remind them (a la pop up grammar)
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    True, but if they're novice pattern errors at the intermediate level ... I'm just saying that I don't know. #langchat
    In reply to @Srta_Zeiner
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4: I also have the students do partner feedback. #langchat
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    I agree 100% #langchat
    In reply to @KrisClimer, @tmsaue1, @SraStephanie
  • dkcrump1299 Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A3: No error correction for 6th/7th Exploratory. Output = High5 from me. ✋️Low Affective Filter is a MUST in prep for 8th SPN-1 #langchat
  • varenc Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    I'll put in a gentle plug for https://t.co/INMZ7m2b4H as a time efficient way to give students feedback on speaking skills #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Has to be judicious and specific for best results. (Working on a PhD in this) 🤓 #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis, @MmeFarab
  • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Native Speakers "make errors" all the time. Level doesn't matter. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    They aren’t mistakes. They didn’t develop ownership in level 1. Can’t punish them for that in level 3. #langchat
    In reply to @Meganclaire87, @senoraMThomas, @SraStephanie
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    #langchat A4: I have a hard time asking students to self correct, bc chances are they made the error bc they didn't know in 1st place.
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4 Have student self evaluate proficiency skills and choose their own practice for improvement #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    I see errors as evidence of progress. #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @tmsaue1
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Here's Q4, in case you missed it. What activities to address patterns of error in their communication? #langchat
  • SraArelleHughes Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4 lot's of reading, discussion, repetition, visual aids, &, short grammar bursts. In a nutshell, tons of continuous CI! #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    #langchat I wonder if we reflect on our own language learning journeys how do we feel about the corrections we've had-did they help?
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • windycitysenora Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4-took the words right out of my mouth:)#langchat
    • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:37 PM EDT
      I make a list of common errors I need to refine, too! Then use lots of input to try and correct #langchat
      In reply to @Oraib_Mango, @LauraErinParker
  • kkeefe_hassan Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    I think it goes back to what @tmsaue1 said - Comprehensibility issues must be addressed - in class convo, I often rephrase #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @profedenham, @tmsaue1
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Sorry everyone! I jumped into #langchat waaaaay late without even saying hello! Hi, I'm Dorie, elementary Spanish in Glastonbury, CT.
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Can I admit that I still make mistakes in ENGLISH??? I might have said "he be" today. error free is not a goal! #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    #langchat A4: I like the Quizlet teacher feature that identifies vocab students are struggling with.. not sure if this qualifies.
  • SraMcNeilly Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    This is a great question! I know mine did - experiences being gently corrected are my most memorable language acq moments. #langchat
    • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
      #langchat I wonder if we reflect on our own language learning journeys how do we feel about the corrections we've had-did they help?
      In reply to @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Yeaaaa nope. Except maybe the rare occasion I would ask my mama chilena to correct me at the dinner table for practice #langchat
    • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:41 PM EDT
      #langchat I wonder if we reflect on our own language learning journeys how do we feel about the corrections we've had-did they help?
      In reply to @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Hopefully you weren’t speaking for a grade! #langchat
    • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
      Can I admit that I still make mistakes in ENGLISH??? I might have said "he be" today. error free is not a goal! #langchat
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A5 I give them opportunities to see and hear the correct TL and help them recognize what's correct. #langchat
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Which is how we *should* see them. But when Ss accuracy impacts teacher evaluations (wrong but happens in some districts)it's hard #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @tmsaue1
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A4 I have started going with formative drafts on written work with purple stars by sections that need another look b4 final wk #langchat
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    That is my reading of the literature as well, but most of us were corrected a lot and replicate, because we like to help. #langchat
    • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      As far as I know, the research says it's not helpful for the masses. Just the high flyers? Maybe I'm wrong. #langchat
      In reply to @rlgrandis
  • windycitysenora Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Me too!!! Valerie from Chicago here for a few minutes #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    I tend to say I internalize the written corrections as ways to get better, and spoken as reasons to never speak again. #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @rlgrandis
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    #langchat mine as well, even when some of them were painful in the moment. I always get better when I know what I need to fix
    In reply to @SraMcNeilly
  • Oraib_Mango Sep 21 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    yes!! And have different accents and pronunciation #langchat
    In reply to @sullydatechie
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4 I've written and illustrated stories that use specific TL because I hear the same errors. Let Ss see lots of correct examples #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    #langchat A4: I think exposure is the key. We can't expect to withdraw output, unless we've made deposited substantial input. This is not
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Is this like TPRing the subject pronouns and saying the correct conjugation? #langchat
    In reply to @varenc
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    And because most of what we do as language teachers stems from our past experience. Crazy, no? #langchat
    In reply to @KrisClimer
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Same...I'm a shy person and when people would correct my speech I would tend to shut down. #langchat
    • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:43 PM EDT
      I tend to say I internalize the written corrections as ways to get better, and spoken as reasons to never speak again. #langchat
      In reply to @MundodePepita, @rlgrandis
  • Srta_Zeiner Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    I just used then when I should have used than in my last tweet about grammar correction vs not 😂😂#LangChat
    In reply to @welangley
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    and yet, as long as we're trying to improve, is it really horrible we keep some old school stuff? #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @KrisClimer
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    I feel in 1 and 2 emphasis is on communication - just try- enjoy- etc/ then 3/AP hits and passing that AP exam pressure is on! #langchat
  • Srta_Zeiner Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    I just used then when I should have used than in my last tweet about grammar correction vs not 😂😂#LangChat
    In reply to @Elisabeth13
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    I hate that moment when someone finally corrects one of my common mistakes and I think "why didn't anyone tell me sooner?!" #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    True. I'm just a generally positive person, and anything they *can* do has me jumping up and down. #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @tmsaue1
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    #langchat this is a sad undercurrent of the FL teacher experience, in my opinion, afraid to speak/write for fear of making an error :( #hugs
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    It's crazy how inclined we are to ignore research and teach based on our beliefs. Something to work on and tougher than it seems. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @KrisClimer
  • Oraib_Mango Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4: a lot of listening and reading and repetition with different activities #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4: Patterns of errors? Repeatedly? After a correction or two, a knowing glance and repeating it back leads to self-correction 😉 #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Also error correction posts from @gianfrancocont9 #langchat https://t.co/P3Kc2k9LwM
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    But that's the difference between an advance speaker who *wants* accuracy and one of my novice kiddos who just wants to survive. #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4 I'm so worried about my teachers' mistakes becoming my mistakes bc I can't see the past precedent in front of me! #langchat
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Horrible? No. Pointless? Maybe. If the research is against it and we don't see gains in proficiency, then why did we do it? #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @MmeFarab, @KrisClimer
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    #langchat Q5: How can we frame our feedback in a way that doesn't discourage students from trying again?
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    this is exactly why error correction should not be considered a 'dirty concept' in FL teaching, we just need to do it appropriatel #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • dkcrump1299 Sep 21 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A4: Simplify PQAs. Put diff incomplete structures around room. Ss walk to correct response then finish it w their own response. #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    I don't think we have to necessarily throw everything out, but we should have students on the forefront of why we use them. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @KrisClimer
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    this is an example of poor technique in error correction, didn't make you feel safe, welcomed or valued :( #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @SraMcNeilly
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A5: celebrate success, choose 1-2 things that could help them move up proficiency wise. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Probably depends on the activity at hand... #langchat
    In reply to @rlgrandis, @MmeFarab, @KrisClimer
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A5 cost-benefit analysis on the discomfort of task--I won't correct during interpersonal speaking bc that's asking Ss to clam up #langchat
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A5: Lay the groundwork. Show kids you care about them and their learning waaay before corrections. #langchat
  • MmeJGillespie Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A4- I've been using small groups for instruction so I can provide targeted feedback whether in speaking or writing #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    #langchat A5 Always start with the positive...in life as well. I like to point out their stregths first. My old principal used to say
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A5 I try to a "good/better if" or "glow/grow" when I give written feedback. Spoken is much harder. #langchat
  • Srta_Zeiner Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A5 provide students the opportunity to use the feedback to revise and resubmit. Don't let your corrections be the be-all end-all. #LangChat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    #langchat A5 when it comes to oral correction, there are lots of smiles and head nods to encourage kids again in future
  • Oraib_Mango Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5: asking a question and including the correct form wo pointing out error #langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Q5: I make my errors obvious to them to try to show everyone makes mistakes. I don’t expect perfection, just their best effort. #langchat
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5: praise growth, because it IS there, look for it. LOVE the Ss. Share language, don't teach it. #langchat
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5: Don't overcorrect! This will hinder communication #langchat
  • doriecp Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Yes! And show them that you care about their *message* and intent which is more important than their delivery. #langchat
    • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
      A5: Lay the groundwork. Show kids you care about them and their learning waaay before corrections. #langchat
  • SraArelleHughes Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5 ALWAYS be positive and mindful! Find the good and encourage your Ss never DISCOURAGE.#langchat it takes guts to put yourself out there!
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Here is rubric I'm using to grade short stories. It's general, but focuses on clarity, overall writing, and areas of focus.1/2 #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @Elisabeth13
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5 ANY time a S tries to output I (try to remember to) have other students applaud their attempt! #langchat
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5 our tone, facial expression, body lang are key to making our students feel we are helping them, even when we need to correct #langchat
  • klasekastellano Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    #langchat A5: have them self-assess is also a great way to make them more cognizant of their output.
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    I like to "prompt" instead of correct. "and...??" Get them to keep going! #langchat
    In reply to @jaybeekay518
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Yup! We applaud and have small cheers for kids who take language risks! #langchat
    • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
      A5 ANY time a S tries to output I (try to remember to) have other students applaud their attempt! #langchat
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5 anyone else have heritage speakers who like to correct others? Trying to not let it kill classroom culture #Langchat
  • Meganclaire87 Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5 I always start by praising their response and their ability to communicate their idea. Follow up with correction if necessary #langchat
  • rlgrandis Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Agreed, but I don't always know how to give meaningful feedback. #pdpgoal #plcgoal #langchat
    • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:49 PM EDT
      Feedback is different than error correction, I think. Error correction doesn’t do much, but feedback can be encouraging.
      In reply to @MundodePepita, @doriecp, @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    2/2 - Creative Writing - Intro Unit Rubric.pdf - https://t.co/kVhDl8l6L0 #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @Elisabeth13
  • MmeJGillespie Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5: recognize growth in students. Share with students that the errors they make are (usually) normal and expected. #langchat
  • windycitysenora Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5 positive and focused on what they can do and suggest a step to 'level up' #langchat
    • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:48 PM EDT
      A5 I try to a "good/better if" or "glow/grow" when I give written feedback. Spoken is much harder. #langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Q5: I also build relationships with my students to make sure they know I’m not trying to make them feel bad, just trying to help. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #langchat Q5 is up right now for a little longer!
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #langchat A5 - I don't do this, but personal conferences seem like it's less obvious to rest of class what individ is working to improve
  • AHSblaz Sep 21 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #langchat A5 feedback is a highlighter to show errors. Ss figure out the error, fix & return for final grade. "ask 2" rule before I help
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Yep, gotta invest the time up-front! #langchat
    In reply to @SraMarconi260
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Encouragement and praise really make a big difference! #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    I could write a book about this because I had (& still have) fear. Maybe I should: No One in France Cares about Subjunctive Rules! #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @MmeFarab, @rlgrandis
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5 we discuss a lot what happens if you make a mistake - basically I correct and we move on - lots of relief on faces:) #langchat
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    I need to work on this! Why I surround myself with #langchat wise comrades!!!
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    It's general, but it covers the areas I focus on and focuses more on feedback - which in my experience leads to improvement. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @Elisabeth13
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I think kids crave feedback when they feel like you are on their side, not out to deduct points. #langchat
    In reply to @jnowak_asl
  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I had one of those, too! Thankfully I had many other teachers who were supportive & kind-I try to model myself after them #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @SraMcNeilly
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Right? and if the FRENCH don't care, then really, who else would? #langchat
    In reply to @lushluxe, @MundodePepita, @rlgrandis
  • Marishawkins Sep 21 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I know! It can be easy for me when a st only has one or two things to work on- harder when there is more! #langchat
    In reply to @KrisClimer
  • windycitysenora Sep 21 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A5 at end of class I take a min. to connect with/SS 1 to 1 to go over TALK score or other fdback. Personal and positive #langchat
    • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:51 PM EDT
      #langchat A5 - I don't do this, but personal conferences seem like it's less obvious to rest of class what individ is working to improve
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    dang girl you get the #langchat multitasking prize tonight:) thanks!
    In reply to @LauraErinParker, @Marishawkins
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Praise for TRUE effort can go far! what is praise for 1 S might not be worth blinking about from other Ss. Individualized praise! #langchat
    In reply to @LauraErinParker
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    #langchat A5 I answer kids' ?s when they ask bc I don't want them embarassed 2ask 4 clarification. + if they're asking, they WANT 2 know
  • Meganclaire87 Sep 21 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Throw #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    #langchat TAs (takeaways): What are your takeaways regarding output correction?
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Same with corrections!! Praise has to be specific to be effective. #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @LauraErinParker
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A5: I also share stories with students about times I made mistakes. Shared one today. Helps to show we're all in the same boat. #langchat
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    I have wanted to record so many interactions I've had in France to send to an old prof of mine. 😂 #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @MundodePepita, @rlgrandis
  • profedenham Sep 21 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A5 This comes from setting up the year from the beginning. Expectations! I spent 5 days on Exp and Goals b4 syllabus #safespace #langchat
  • AHSblaz Sep 21 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    #langchat talked yesterday about diff betw "J'aime la pizza et toi." & "J'aime la pizza; et toi?." MDR
  • SraWilliams3 Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    TA: Find the balance & have realistic expectations for Ss regarding accuracy will also help T give approp feedback #langchat
  • bhsduhamel Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    If students aren't making mistakes, they aren't fully learning-will less likely use the language spontaneously outside of class #langchat
    In reply to @SraArelleHughes
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    #langchat TA - More input is best practice for better output, but I personally like some traditional refinement and that's ok IMO.
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    I don't know, I have a lot of funny stories of messing up my speaking and learning from real-life feedback 😉 #langchat
    In reply to @MmeFarab, @MundodePepita, @rlgrandis
  • jaybeekay518 Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Had to explain to Ss yesterday that "baise-moi" was not how you requested that someone do "la bise" with you. Lots of red faces. #langchat
    In reply to @AHSblaz
  • KrisClimer Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    #langchat TA, just being in a "room" with you all makes me better and want to try to be better. #strengthNnumbers
  • tajohnson68 Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A5 Create a classroom culture for using the language while improving proficiency. #langchat
  • dkcrump1299 Sep 21 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A5 "Actions speak louder than words." #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    As #langchat ends, we moderators ask you to take a moment to learn about some changes for the rest of 2017: https://t.co/f77HQef5pK
  • welangley Sep 21 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    TA: Correct for comprehension, accuracy will come when Ss have high quality comprehensible input #langchat
  • MmeFarab Sep 21 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    I have quite a few, but I think it's the person who corrects you that makes you feel one way or the other. #langchat
    In reply to @SraStephanie, @MundodePepita, @rlgrandis
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    So true! I completely agree - each kid needs praise for doing their best without comparison to other student's abilities. #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • SraArelleHughes Sep 21 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Absolutely! #langchat
    In reply to @bhsduhamel
  • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    TA: Input, scaffolding, support, and encourage Ss to use the lang holistically #langchat
  • mmeaida Sep 21 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    TA: have to admit, had a girl today say "You correct ME so often" and I wanted to shrivel. I need to let the "errors" slide more #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:58 PM EDT
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  • MundodePepita Sep 21 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    TA Build an environment in your class where students feel safe to take risks, allow errors to be part of process, be a guide #langchat
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Finished #langchat - what was your Take-Away? Was it getting your 2017 #langchat swag (only until 10pm ET TONIGHT) https://t.co/YZBRW2MWvb
  • sullydatechie Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Thank you and goodnight everyone #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    #langchat - special thanks to @MmeFarab and @KrisClimer for helping drive the chat tonight at co-mods!
  • SraStephanie Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    TA: Work on accuracy in some areas and let errors go in others. No matter how much it may make you crazy to stay silent. 😉 #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    TA: Atmosphere, praise for true effort, focus on communication and improvement are the keys. #langchat
  • jnowak_asl Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    TA: Encouragement to make mistakes and to try again is important. Relationship building as a class is key. #AndWorldPeace 😉 #langchat
  • lushluxe Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    TA it is crucial to make Ss feel comfortable enough to use the lang to express themselves realistically #langchat
  • SrtaYun Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    QR codes with the common errors where students work together to correct their mistakes and I give immediate feedback #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Please read about changes coming to #langchat beginning next month!
  • Elisabeth13 Sep 21 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    #langchat always has me thinking. y'all have a great FRIDAY:)
  • participatechat Sep 21 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    #langchat just ended! Transcripts and curated resources are now available at https://t.co/q9PdwKw6v4