#edchatie Archive

Monday September 18, 2017
3:30 PM EDT
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight’s #edchatie discussion. As usual before we begin please introduce yourself + don’t forget the hashtag in all your tweets
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    #edchatie
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Any #English teachers following #edchatie tonight who have something to say about tonight's topic - or any Junior Cycle teachers?
  • susanleahy Sep 18 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    @fboss seems like everyone is concerned about the new #juniorcert but nobody knows what to say #edchatie
  • susanleahy Sep 18 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Susan, Language teacher but interested in hearing about #juniorcycle Seems like last week's #edchatie huge questions but nothing to say...
  • Craig_Skerritt Sep 18 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    The Classroom Divide:A look at socio-economic inequalities in Irish education @rte 9:35.Should be very interesting @Soc_Assoc_Ire #edchatie
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    I agree. It's interesting as the new des tiptoes will come in for all subjects over time until all subjects get them by 2022 #edchatie
    In reply to @susanleahy
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Joe Rolston, English teacher. Major issues with Merit band at 55-75%, 28,808 out of 48,235 who sat HL English received Merit #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Fred Boss, 2nd level art teacher currently with @NCCAie and working away on new #juniorcycle Visual Art specification #edchatie
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Only 856 HL English students received a Distinction out of 48,235 students #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • OVFLanguages Sep 18 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    #edlrecord European Day of #Languages World record! Be part of it! https://t.co/VgCOfMh8yW #mflire #edchatie
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Dismayed to hear that up to 5 different examiners corrected an individual student's work (4 sections in HL paper & AT) #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • conorsmurf Sep 18 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    So few distinctions. New bands supposed to help ease stress and pressure. Try telling that to Ss aiming high. #edchatie
  • susanleahy Sep 18 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Yes, this I thought was quite extraordinary #edchatie and am wondering about rationale?
    In reply to @PresWexEng, @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    I saw this in The Independent https://t.co/zSNdgMKcSN #edchatie
  • conorsmurf Sep 18 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Conor in West Cork. I have no problem with teething issues once the results were fair but did this exam even allow that? #edchatie
  • conorsmurf Sep 18 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    Exactly. Have told my Ss not to worry about Distinctions. But that's easy for me to say. #edchatie
    In reply to @ashjclery
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    #Edchatie
  • GermanTeachIRL Sep 18 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    4365 HL JC Pupils received A grade in 2016. Seems like the standard has dropped drastically with the new JC!! #edchatie
    • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 3:49 PM EDT
      Only 856 HL English students received a Distinction out of 48,235 students #edchatie
      In reply to @fboss
  • DpDonal Sep 18 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Would appreciate some votes from my @EdChatIE #edchatie colleagues tonight.
  • conorsmurf Sep 18 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    That's nonsense. What else was going to happen with a new exam? #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    And the examiner couldn't even access the entire student's script, just the section they were correcting! #edchatie
    In reply to @susanleahy, @fboss
  • GermanTeachIRL Sep 18 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Eistear from Mayo, by the way. MFL teacher mainly, taught JC English last year #edchatie
  • EllenKMetcalf Sep 18 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    Looking at the paper, it's difficult to make out what was being assessed or what the criteria for good answering would have been #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Or sending out the message that standards in the subject haven't been "dumbed down?" #edchatie
    In reply to @GermanTeachIRL
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 4:01 PM EDT
    We're halfway through tonight's #edchatie discussion on "Junior Cycle English Grade Bands: No merits to a merit"
  • conorsmurf Sep 18 @ 4:01 PM EDT
    This is a major issue. What do they want? Clear, sparse, multi point answers. Well written answer. Well argued answers? #edchatie
    In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @fboss
  • EllenKMetcalf Sep 18 @ 4:03 PM EDT
    Another issue was the omission of fiction from the HL paper It's plausible, if unthinkable, that Shakespeare won't appear in 2018 #edchatie
    In reply to @conorsmurf, @fboss
  • marykateb Sep 18 @ 4:04 PM EDT
    Hi everyone, late to the chat this evening. Mary in Holycross teaching English and RE #edchatie
  • conorsmurf Sep 18 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    That's actually a lesser issue for me. That's more about assessment in new JC in general. #edchatie
    In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @fboss
  • EllenKMetcalf Sep 18 @ 4:06 PM EDT
    Have to factor in how many As fell into the 85%-89% bracket. Impossible to compare reliably. #edchatie
    In reply to @shffnn, @conorsmurf, @fboss
  • YMTfm Sep 18 @ 4:08 PM EDT
    Ready to go for @ClaireByrneLive #edchatie
  • EllenKMetcalf Sep 18 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    Have a look at the OL question that mentions "The Commitments". None of the distractors appear. Zero English needed to answer #edchatie
    In reply to @shffnn, @conorsmurf, @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 4:09 PM EDT
    Not too late for the 2nd half of tonight's #edchatie discussion on "Junior Cycle English Grade Bands: No merits to a merit"
    In reply to @marykateb
  • EllenKMetcalf Sep 18 @ 4:10 PM EDT
    Seriously, a completely illiterate person, or some-one who had never seen written English, could gain full marks on that question #edchatie
    In reply to @shffnn, @conorsmurf, @fboss
  • GermanTeachIRL Sep 18 @ 4:11 PM EDT
    Well going from 4365 high achievers to 856 is a bit extreme! Lot of pupils disappointed. The Merit marking band is too wide. #edchatie
    In reply to @PresWexEng
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 4:12 PM EDT
    Hence the big 28,808 lump of Merits in the middle! #edchatie
    • shffnn Sep 18 @ 4:05 PM EDT
      Consensus in our staff room suggests they were marked too hard at upper end of HL and far too leniently at bottom end of OL.
      In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @conorsmurf, @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 4:15 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • shffnn Sep 18 @ 4:05 PM EDT
      Consensus in our staff room suggests they were marked too hard at upper end of HL and far too leniently at bottom end of OL.
      In reply to @EllenKMetcalf, @conorsmurf, @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    #edchatie
    • GermanTeachIRL Sep 18 @ 4:16 PM EDT
      New examining method, used with French last year, JC English this year. Examiners received no overall sense of a pupil's style.
      In reply to @PresWexEng, @susanleahy, @fboss
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 4:18 PM EDT
    It's so crucial in a subject like English to get an overall "feel" for the student's approach to different writing task #edchatie
    In reply to @GermanTeachIRL, @susanleahy, @fboss
  • GermanTeachIRL Sep 18 @ 4:20 PM EDT
    English examiners tend to have different styles, what one likes another will dislike & I think this had a major impact on results. #edchatie
    In reply to @PresWexEng, @susanleahy, @fboss
  • GermanTeachIRL Sep 18 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    Yes I really think so. It's totally different to correcting Maths or even French, where the answer is usually correct or incorrect.#edchatie
    In reply to @PresWexEng, @susanleahy, @fboss
  • PresWexEng Sep 18 @ 4:23 PM EDT
    The new online marking system is just a very cold way of correction. Almost like a robotic process applied to such a rich subject #edchatie
    In reply to @GermanTeachIRL, @susanleahy, @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 4:25 PM EDT
    We're into the famous final five minutes of tonight's #edchatie discussion on "new JC Merit". Any past thoughts, ideas, proposals?
  • susanleahy Sep 18 @ 4:28 PM EDT
    Though Languages have written section too, which does have a subjective aspect like English. The overall feel to a paper is gone. #edchatie
    In reply to @GermanTeachIRL, @PresWexEng, @fboss
  • fboss Sep 18 @ 4:29 PM EDT
    Interested in what you mean by "feel" #edchatie
    In reply to @susanleahy, @GermanTeachIRL, @PresWexEng