#csk8 Archive

This chat includes a discussion of topics of interest to K-8 teachers who teach and/or integrate computer science.The Computer Science Teachers Association is a membership organization that supports and promotes the teaching of computer science and other computing disciplines. CSTA provides opportunities for K–12 teachers and students to better understand the computing disciplines and to more successfully prepare themselves to teach and learn.

Wednesday February 7, 2018
8:00 PM EST

  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Welcome to tonight’s #csk8 chat! Tonight we will try to answer the question What Does Assessment Look Like in K-8 Computer Science?
  • participatechat Feb 7 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #csk8 by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/ImnVTD3B10
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Your moderators tonight are me @visionsbyvicky and @Todd_Lash #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Join on Twitter with the #csk8 hashtag OR try https://t.co/QQKbV3pwo2 where the hashtag is automatically added.
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:01 PM EST
    #csk8 Mark Miller here. ED, https://t.co/LP2bL8AMzE. We teaching coding, making & robotics
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:01 PM EST
    If you are participating, don’t forget to include the hashtag #csk8 on all tweets during the chat so that everyone participating in the chat sees your posts.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Before we get started, please introduce yourself: Name, Location, Connection to CS education for 5-14 year olds. #csk8
  • BotballRobotics Feb 7 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Steve Goodgame we use robots as manipulative to teach coding and math #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Welcome, Mark! Good to see you tonight. #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Welcome, Steve. #csk8
    In reply to @BotballRobotics
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Jennifer Albert, SC, we provide PD about CS for teachers. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi #csk8 I'm Vicky, a K-8 tech teacher in the Los Angeles area.
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Casey from Ontario. I work with students in grade 7/8. We explore robotics and their relationship to computational thinking, numeracy and language #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:05 PM EST
    I am Sheena, a CS teacher in California for the last 8+ years. Teach middle schoolers Python, Scratch, Arduino and more #csk8
  • GoodgameCarol Feb 7 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Carol, Oklahoma, CS ok standards #csk8
  • techteacher Feb 7 @ 8:05 PM EST
    #csk8 Kathy Benson Baltimore Md k5
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi Jennifer. Glad you could join us! #csk8
    In reply to @stem_citadel
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Welcome, Casey. Where in Ontario? I went to high school in the Toronto area. #csk8
    In reply to @MrCWells
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Welcome, Carol! #csk8
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hi, I'm Ron from NC. Gr 7 & 8 CS. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Welcome, Kathy! Glad you could join us tonight. #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hi Carol. Welcome to #csk8
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Welcome back Kathy! #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Welcome, Ron. Looking forward to your opinions tonight. #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hello Ron, welcome to #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer
  • sarahtdunton Feb 7 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Sarah here. I'm in MA, working with @ECEP_CS on CS ed policy reform focusing on #equity. Prior to my policy work I developed programs for K-8 students in informal ed/out of school time and facilitated PD for educators. #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:07 PM EST
    #csk8 Mark, 4th grade teacher in Minnesota joining.
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hi #csk8, Saber in NYC. Teach multiple MS classes. 5th, 7th, and 8th. Also moderate #ethicalCS, where @VisionsByVicky was a guest expert last month. And put on free and inclusive coding events for MS students and teachers via CC Fests - https://t.co/TMwWVWV4WG
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Welcome, Sarah. #csk8
    In reply to @sarahtdunton, @ECEP_CS
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Welcome Mark. Glad to have you with us tonight for #csk8 !
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • jena_hore Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hi, I am Jena, a student at the University of Wisconsin Platteville. I will graduate next semester, certified grades 1-8. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hey Sarah! Thanks for stopping by! #csk8
    In reply to @sarahtdunton, @ECEP_CS
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Welcome, Mark. #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    I'll be honest. Assessment is one of my struggles. #CSK8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • MrsBeck25 Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Anne Beck, @BotballRobotics Program Manager @KissInstitute and #oklaed educator #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:08 PM EST
    #csk8 is a structured chat so questions are numbered Q1 for Question 1, Q2 for Question 2 and answers should start with A1 for the answer to Q1, A2 to answer Q2, etc.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Welcome, Saber. #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Greg Farrell 7/8 teaching, Ontario. Incorporating scratch, python and robotics into the classroom #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Be watching for the first question of the night about what you assess. #csk8
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Hello #csk8 Alfred Thompson HS CS teacher, trouble maker, #CSforAll advocate
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Q1: What do you assess and how do you choose what to measure? Do you assess concept development, practice, both? #csk8
  • apbarcenas Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Blown away by the creativity and collaboration today w/ @Turnerdolphins Tk & Bee-Bots. #K2CanToo #csk8 #beniciastrong
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Welcome. #csk8
    In reply to @MrsBeck25, @BotballRobotics, @KissInstitute
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Welcome, Greg. #csk8
    In reply to @GJFScience
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:10 PM EST
    I think we all struggle with assessment. #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer, @VisionsByVicky
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:10 PM EST
    #csk8 A1 I teach general ed 4th grade and am the building technology coach. Beginning work to embed computational thinking and CS learning into my own and other gen ed teachers practices.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Welcome, Alfred. Glad you are joining us. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Hello good sir! Thanks for joining us tonight! #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1 #csk8 One of the districts we work with wants assessment of college&career readiness for K8. I admit to being puzzled by this!
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Fantastic! I miss when I was you :) This is a great community for you to tap into. #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1: This year I am trying to assess if students are meeting the CSTA standards so using both concepts & practices. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:12 PM EST
    No. #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Are we putting them to work no? LOL! #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:12 PM EST
    I like the your tag line here - #CSforALL advocate.. good way to say what you do for CS. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Welcome, Sheena. We're on Q1: What do you assess and how do you choose what to measure? Do you assess concept development, practice, both? #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010, @alfredtwo
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #csk8 That's what I would expect to be doing as well!
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • GoodgameCarol Feb 7 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 we use authentic assessment by having students apply concepts learned to practical open ended application. #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:13 PM EST
    #csk8 When CS learning is computational and embedded with other academic standards then assessment is conceptual. Effective assessments are an art and skill that can be challenging to do.
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Trying to assess their intentions or skills and content knowledge? #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:13 PM EST
    What are you specifically assessing? #csk8
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: I mostly focus on concept development. Practice is a way to demonstrate that so it is complicated. #csk8
  • jena_hore Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    When assessing students work, I have only done work with correcting worksheets, etc... in class. We are taught several ways to assess. I feel as though assessing children's development is the most important with a growth mindset always in mind. #csk8
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: I'm not great at assessment. I am reluctant to turn my CS class into a rigorous math or science class via anxiety-filled assessments. When I do assessments it is usually via projects and presentation, which can feel a little vague. #csk8
  • AW_280 Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Hi, I’m Alicia from St. Louis. I am new to the education field. I’m excited to join the #csk8 chat and learn about some of the assessments used in K-8 computer science.
    In reply to @LaunchCompSci
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    CS has it's own standards as well (CSTA and locally in many places). Are you assessing those? #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: Learning in terms of effort/ attitude as well as of specific concepts mastered. We use standard based grading not letter grades #csk8
  • techteacher Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: #csk8 Assessment is not my strength since I have not had to assign grades. W/ https://t.co/bQaQWjhcw9 courses, I look at # of levels
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    #csk8 A1 Harder to assess of course. We also do pre- and post- tests, so far based on our own informal criteria; hope to convert to CSTA stds tho
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Agreed. What are you assessing in the projects? #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Welcome, Alicia. #csk8
    In reply to @AW_280, @LaunchCompSci
  • MrsBeck25 Feb 7 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Thanks!! Lurking during class :) #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @BotballRobotics, @KissInstitute
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:15 PM EST
    It is complicated. Are all your students good collaborators or communicators? How can we use assessment to help them get there? #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A) I trust in the process. We use assessment to tell us where S's are and what we need to improve on. The students receive speedy feedback and have opportunity to improve. Recently, we have started to focus on soft skills (collaboration) . #csk8
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 #csk8 Supposedly both, but the college and career thing still baffles me for say a 6th grader. We do ask if they hope to go to college and enter the field, pre and post
    In reply to @stem_citadel
  • BotballRobotics Feb 7 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 we focus on integrated scaffolded curriculum and open ended performance objectives (PBL)to assess mastery of concepts #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Which concepts? #csk8
    In reply to @BotballRobotics
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:16 PM EST
    One of my biggest fears for #CSforAll is turning it into "another subject" just like all the others. Assessment can fuel that worry, but we also have to know what our students know and be able to use that to drive instruction right? #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Our next question of the night is coming up about formative assessment. #csk8
  • CSwhitekh Feb 7 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Q1: What do you assess and how do you choose what to measure? Do you assess concept development, practice, both? #csk8 A1: Observations, projects - individual conversations/questioning strategies, targeted tasks (exit ticket), process is just as important as product, self assess
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Totally agree. We need to know what they get and don't get so there has to be some kind of assessment. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @ed_saber
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Standards based grading, including for CS? That's awesome! #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A reply from @techteacher suggest something I wonder about. How tied to grades should assessment be? Is assessment more about grades than understanding what students know? Should be the same but are they? #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Q2: What formative assessments have you found helpful in assessing the CS understanding of 5-14 year old students? Share examples, rubrics, links, etc. #csk8
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Agreed. We worked with middle schools a number of years ago and developed an instrument (STEM-CIS) based on Lent's social cognitive career theory to assess student interest (and other factors) related to careers #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • jena_hore Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
    I like the idea of easing the anxiety and doing projects and presentations instead. #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
    #csk8 That does seem like an elegant way to think about checking things formatively and summatively.
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @Sheena1010
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
    For me, summative assessments are tied to grades but formative (which I do mostly) should not be graded. IMO, anyway. :) #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @techteacher
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Right is assessment is not mostly about answering the question "what have students learned?" what good is it? #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @ed_saber
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:19 PM EST
    It can be baffling, especially when I reflect, I had no idea what I wanted to do or be at that age, I found it took trying many things and making mistakes to figure out where I was going. #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller, @stem_citadel
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Yes - I pick 2 or 3 standards to assess each quarter that are CS related, and 2 that are learning behaviors . Use many different projects/quiz/observations/presentations to decide where they are on each CS standard #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Not all of my s are good collaborators. Some of them struggle greatly with this. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @alfredtwo
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:19 PM EST
    #csk8 Rubric scoring for projects and presos can make it feel more rigorous
    In reply to @jena_hore, @ed_saber
  • GoodgameCarol Feb 7 @ 8:20 PM EST
    I use a curriculum that the activities builds up to the assessments. #csk8
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Mostly interest, creativity, some grasp of concept. But mostly to create community, dialogue, and critique #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:20 PM EST
    And how do I plan and adapt further instruction so that I reach ALL learners....that's the focus for me. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @ed_saber
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #csk8 Being elementary, we don't have the side of the debate about GPAs and college prep. Grade conflate various factors, tests, daily assignments, even attendance. Sharing with Ss and Ps about what the Ss learned is assessment.
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @techteacher
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Our research found that the more students learned about a career, the more they lost interest in it (not all but many). #csk8
    In reply to @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I think earlier grade levels have more flexibility to use non graded assessment. A huge advantage as it reduces stress on everyone. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @techteacher
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:22 PM EST
    @MicrosoftEDU has a great resource for assement in CS. It something that we are trying to incorporate into our assessment criteria #csk8
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Do you have an example? I am not sure I understand what you mean. #csk8
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:22 PM EST
    I have started to add in some multiple choice questions as formative assessment to figure out if kids are getting it. Looking at https://t.co/xfkKisKPCT right now. Have used Google Forms & Kahoot in the past. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:22 PM EST
    This is awesome. How do you assess dialogue or critique so that you know kids are growing in those areas? #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber, @VisionsByVicky
  • alfredtwo Feb 7 @ 8:22 PM EST
    I think younger grades especially should learn about having fun with technology and using it for their own purposes. Too soon to talk careers. #csk8
    In reply to @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Got a link? #csk8
    In reply to @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:23 PM EST
    it's something we need to teach, for sure. #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer, @Todd_Lash, @alfredtwo
  • techteacher Feb 7 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: #csk8 interesting article on assessment of CT with scratch https://t.co/ipmW50mmxh
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Hi #CSk8 I'm Angie, a Technology Integrationist in central MN with a kindergarten heart who works in a k-12 public school district. I'm doing my best to integrate Computational Thinking into K-5 classrooms across the curriculum. Here us a #snapshot from my day!
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:23 PM EST
    #csk8 This is a challenge. Important gen ed teachers teach CS standards. Often they are embedded coteaching lessons with media tech, makerspace and STEM teachers. The CS standards aren't at the forefront always in these cases.
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Except in some schools, talking careers even in elementary can help the kids see themselves going down that path. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Earlier grades do have some capacity to focus a bit less on the grades, but as they move up grades it becomes more and more focused on the grade. Is there a formula that fits all? #CSk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @VisionsByVicky, @techteacher
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Welcome to #csk8 Angie! Glad to have you with us.
    In reply to @mrskalthoff
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I was just talking with someone about this last night and she mentioned this publication! Thanks for sharing!! #goodtiming #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Yes but it is a lot more work - combining many different assessments to decide the std based grade - much easier to leave it alone as 'points'. Also I try to add a comment on every student! Takes a long time but I think it is worth it. #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @Todd_Lash
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2: I am a big fan of the Studio Art that I have in college and art school, where you work on a project, present, get feedback, incorporate some and keep going. Not finding a good link for this. Any know what I am talking about? #csk8
    • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:18 PM EST
      Q2: What formative assessments have you found helpful in assessing the CS understanding of 5-14 year old students? Share examples, rubrics, links, etc. #csk8
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A few years ago I used the framework to assess science fair projects students converted to Scratch projects but the framework still needs something to help us understand student projects (and the tool they used only works for Scratch 1.4 projects) #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Hi #csk8 chat, joining a little bit late
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Welcome, we are just finishing up Q2: What formative assessments have you found helpful in assessing the CS understanding of 5-14 year old students? Share examples, rubrics, links, etc. #csk8
    In reply to @mrskalthoff
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Yes, @karen_brennan interview based assessment is very good. #csk8
    In reply to @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @karen_brennan
  • fenwayfan808 Feb 7 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: we need to overhaul assessment and evaluation systemically @mastTranscript #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Next question, about summative assessment, coming right up. #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:26 PM EST
    #csk8 Agree with you. We used to have a std based elementary report card. Now we report on the strands. That for example reduces math to 4 scores. Less work harder to give meaning to the number.
    In reply to @Sheena1010, @Todd_Lash
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I guess it depends on your audience at the time or at least having the options available for our students to look at on their own so the ones who are interested, are exposed. #CSk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @alfredtwo, @stem_citadel, @mlmiller
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Q3: How do you summatively assess the CS knowledge of your 5-14 year old students? Share rubrics, examples, links, etc. #csk8
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I mostly give them prompts for presentations: 1) What were hoping to do or make? 2) What part of the code or project are you most proud of? 3) What would you do with more time? #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Yes, I agree that it is something that needs practice! I like to use Pair Programming in all grade levels starting from the beginning! Here is a resource that @jmenth22 and I collaborated on for young learners. https://t.co/5DUa1yRuiY #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @RonSchaeffer, @Todd_Lash, @alfredtwo, @jmenth22
  • sarahtdunton Feb 7 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A2: #csk8 since CS is new(ish) in K-12 and we are all figuring this out it feels very similar to work in informal ed. I really like assessment work frm @PEARImpact Their tools are worth a look as you design assessments that are as creative as your students & subject of CS and IT
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:27 PM EST
    In my first teaching gig, our school did narrative based report cards. I wrote about 4-5 pages about every student each quarter. A ton of work, but it made me very reflective and gave parents a ton of info. #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @Sheena1010
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A2) https://t.co/wkYOrVJYmZ is a great resource for any educator in CS. It talks a lot about the needs of the 21st century learner without being preachy. The educators in the videos are great, and I find I learn something new in every module #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:28 PM EST
    #csk8 In 4th grade we talk often about careers. It's more like trying on mindset hats. Actually more fun and less deterministic than when you are older and need to start choosing a path. 4th graders open and close career doors based on interest and exposure.
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Thanks for sharing this article, will be a good read when we're done. #CSk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @karen_brennan
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:29 PM EST
    #csk8 Wow, that would definitely be intense and you could talk about any angle with Ss and Ps.
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @Sheena1010
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:29 PM EST
    I think I am still doing that lol! #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @alfredtwo, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:30 PM EST
    + Here is a video I use to introduce some CS jobs https://t.co/gjgt5JrP3B in elementary school. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A3: We do a Tech Expo where we present projects from all the grades in the school. The community comes through and sees what everyone has worked on through the year. It helps give me a sense of where are and where we should go next as educator. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A2: For me, summative assessments are about the process and my students need to document what they did, share their work, and reflect on it. For example, this would be graded against a rubric https://t.co/mwgbl2TjLe #csk8
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:31 PM EST
    If I was better organized I would make rubrics and use them :( #csk8
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol, @mlmiller, @jena_hore
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:31 PM EST
    I have used versions of this. Have peers review project work and make suggestions. Then make improvements or find things they may not have thought of that their peers can see. #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:32 PM EST
    How are the projects created and graded? Love the idea of Tech Expo but is it assessment? #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:32 PM EST
    :) Have you kids create them! #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber, @GoodgameCarol, @mlmiller, @jena_hore
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: Group or individual project with a presentation. I also do a few multiple choice quizzes for Python where they have to read code and predict what is next - and sometimes I do a timed debugging project #csk8
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Oh yeah, I spend hours doing that too. Students take self-reflective surveys. I look at completion of tasks. And use both to write narrative reports #csk8
    • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:27 PM EST
      In my first teaching gig, our school did narrative based report cards. I wrote about 4-5 pages about every student each quarter. A ton of work, but it made me very reflective and gave parents a ton of info. #csk8
      In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @Sheena1010
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:33 PM EST
    #csk8 https://t.co/s4HPZzt7Yj has CS guest speakers and https://t.co/9NxCeulAFC has female role models (did 2 Skpes last month). These videos look good too. Thanks.
    In reply to @mrskalthoff, @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • techteacher Feb 7 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Do you use a tool or bank of prompts to guide S reflection? #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Yes, I have also had peers review work. Last year our 1st-4th graders review Scratch Math Games created by 5th Graders. #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer, @ed_saber
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Here is another great resource for students and teachers to understand many different CS careers https://t.co/b7RS0hdmvo @careerswithcode #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller, @careerswithcode
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Here is a sample rubric for the final project for our 3-5 curriculum in SFUSD https://t.co/vhvDAvBYsq #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Definitely. I give multiple questions for each reflection and ask them to add a screenshot of the output of their favorite project. If I list out a lot of questions - keeping them all optional, they tend to spend more time on their reflections. #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky
  • jena_hore Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #csk8 Narrative based report cards. Takes a lot of time, but is worth it for the parents to see where their students are at and what is going on at school. A2
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Usually, yes. I tell them to reflect on things like what they learned, what was difficult, how they overcame problems, etc. #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    And the peer reviews can be assessed or critiqued. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @ed_saber
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    @GJFScience @mspottergrade7 and I just used this. We were fortunate to have @mraspinall come and join about 90 grade 7's and talk about why CS education is important for all students #csk8.
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @mrskalthoff, @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller, @GJFScience, @mspottergrade7, @mraspinall
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #csk8 You can get in person visit too from fabfems. We are in a rural small town in Minnesota so Skyping a CS female role model was terrific for us.
    In reply to @mrskalthoff, @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • AnthonyOwenADE Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Good evening #csk8 from #ARKidsCanCode / #CSforALL
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Love the narrative piece at the end asking the student to reflect. Thanks for sharing Owen! #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Our next question about soft skills will be right up. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3: Speaking of peer grading, has anyone used https://t.co/SxHTaFg0xb #csk8
  • AnthonyOwenADE Feb 7 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Good evening #csk8 from #ARKidsCanCode / #CSforAR
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Maybe someone from @codeorg can provide a better version of this doc https://t.co/43lzUGwK2e but it has some prompts for debugging. These prompts can be used before a bug is encountered to help with reflection. #csk8
    In reply to @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky, @codeorg
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:37 PM EST
    #csk8 Our last speaker was on fabfems and also a member of the society of women engineers. Amazing Skype with so many Ss heading to be 1st gen college Ss.
    In reply to @GoodgameCarol, @mrskalthoff, @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Getting the students to think and talk about learning is so essential #csk8
    • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:35 PM EST
      And the peer reviews can be assessed or critiqued. #csk8
      In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @ed_saber
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:37 PM EST
    I haven't used it this year, I'm having trouble getting Ss to come anywhere near finishing even the earlier projects, assessment isn't really on my radar for this year #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Well if it isn't, Mr. "Let's Hug Out" lol! Welcome Anthony :) #csk8
    In reply to @AnthonyOwenADE
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Q4: Collaboration, communication, and persistence are all important to CS. How do you assess these soft skills? #csk8
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Woot woot! Minnesota represent! I am in rural MN too! @MarkNechanicky #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @Todd_Lash, @stem_citadel, @GJFScience, @mlmiller, @MarkNechanicky
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:38 PM EST
    #csk8 That's a neat idea, in math we sometimes present a math problem with a mistake in it, the Ss has to explain the misconception and the fix.
    In reply to @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky, @codeorg
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:38 PM EST
    nope, having Ss give feedback on each other's work in Classroom or on Scratch has not been successful yet, don't think a more formal peer assessment will work for me yet #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Yes! Developing metacognition should be one of our primary goals as educators, regardless of the subject. #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • stem_citadel Feb 7 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Do you have an example? #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky, @codeorg
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:38 PM EST
    I think assessment often takes a back seat but I fear that we're not aware of what students aren't getting b/c we're not assessing. #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:39 PM EST
    #csk8 that's one way we assess debugging skills in coding as well
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky, @codeorg
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Curious as to how you are scaffolding the peer feedback Owen. I'd love to hear more sometime. #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Love debugging lessons in coding. https://t.co/vWV8y4v2oj #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @codeorg
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Definitely. The reflection of what was difficult/challenging will help them enjoy their success and help them remember it ... especially important at the end of a coding challenges - what project was difficult, what did they learn #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Some Ss are fearful of asking questions. Sometimes they slip through the cracks. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:40 PM EST
    #csk8 Curious is anyone is using a badges approach (digital or otherwise)
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:40 PM EST
    If I were based out of one school as opposed to pushing in to 3 different schools, I'd be looking more to assessment very soon #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I just recently was in a 1st grade classroom talking about #debugging and using marbles. The lesson was based on the @codeorg unplugged lesson https://t.co/nXxmU6gyPu #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky, @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky, @codeorg, @codeorg
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Very true. Have you tried an anonymous Google Form where students can submit questions and periodically you have an "answer the questions" time in class? #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer, @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4: We have a learning behavior standard for collaboration and it is easy to see if they meet it, after a group project. #csk8
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    We have the 2 stars and a wish format, where wish is a suggestion for improvement, though it's challenging to get kids to do it seriously #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I hear you on that. #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    #csk8 I have just ordered a large quantity of plastic bugs, to revive my "bug of the day winner" awards. They must name the bug, describe it, and explain how they found and fixed it.
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @MarkNechanicky, @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @codeorg
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:41 PM EST
    That's a fun lesson. #csk8
    In reply to @mrskalthoff, @MarkNechanicky, @techteacher, @codeorg
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:42 PM EST
    #csk8 A4 #growthmindset and other soft skills I think are best assessed when T obs and S self assessment are talking in a 1:1 conference. I learn a lot from the Ss that way. At least as a start.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:42 PM EST
    It is but I have found if I'm consistent and provide feedback on their feedback, it does help. Not that I'm really anywhere near consistent. :) #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Thanks for sharing! I will look into this resource @VisionsByVicky #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @MarkNechanicky, @techteacher, @codeorg, @VisionsByVicky
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:43 PM EST
    Some of my students would do the coding challenges of #khanacademy Processing/JavaScript and collect the badges - not sure if having badges made them get more, or it was just a side benefit. I don't use it in my class #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A4: Our research group is using a tool called the Collaborative Computing Observation Instrument to track student collaboration w/ screencast video. Creates a visual map of student collab & perseverance. https://t.co/aIXIPTLzlr #csk8 Opening it up to others eventually...
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A4: This is such a tricky question. I would prefer to think abt assessment could support collaboration, communication &persistence. To me this all about community first followed by metacognition as @Todd_Lash said. So rubrics that kid-built disconnected from grades #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A4: This can be a tough one. Have a rubric and examples of what these look like can help. Unfortunately I don't. :) #csk8
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Actually, I do have a form set up, butthey are not fully utilizing it. I have also tried Slides projected on the wall so the questions pop up when they type them in. needs some tweaking still. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:44 PM EST
    2/2 then when I checked it I gave them a computer and had them go to studio to give comments, they still typed LOL Hiiiiiii etc so I'm spending more time letting them work on projects and might cut the feedback part this year #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I did last year. https://t.co/fLr7r2KGD3 #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A4) Setting up a success criteria as defined by the students. What does successful collaboration look like? How do we know it is working? When do you think we have mastered it? Explicitly teaching students what soft skills look like can go a long way. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Next question about what you do with assessment data is coming up. #csk8
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:45 PM EST
    very different feeling this year than in years past, good and bad #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:45 PM EST
    #csk8 #growthmindset is comlex. Persistence with mistakes, mistakes that change strategies, collaboration to do something you couldn't do alone. Having short/long term goals. Knowing your brain isn't even built yet. Soft skills are nuanced.
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Here is an example of a 2nd grade classroom. Students are working in @ScratchJr to make their story of what would happen if their teacher fell asleep. 1/2 the class is revising their work w/teacher the other half is working on their story. 2 students, 1 iPad. #csk8 +
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash, @ScratchJr
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Q5: How do you use the results of assessments in your K-8 CS classes? #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:46 PM EST
    #csk8 Thanks--this sounds like a great idea for our building wide mixed K-5 "families" we are doing computational unplugged activities twice month. Will have to check this out.
    In reply to @mrskalthoff, @techteacher, @VisionsByVicky, @codeorg
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I have such a limited time w/Ss and am not getting buy in from classroom Ts, so S time w/me is all the CS they get, so hard to dedicate that much time for feedback, bc then they need time to read it and act on it to iterate, imp but hard to spend all that time #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:47 PM EST
    + Two kids on 1 iPad take turns building their stories but talk through what they are doing and they could do as they build. We break 1/2 way through to share discoveries and things we think others would like to know with the group then get back to work! #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash, @ScratchJr
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Wow! Vicky- did you update this for all students? Or they had to update it ? #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @mlmiller
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:47 PM EST
    #csk8 #growthmindset is complex. Persistence with mistakes, mistakes that change strategies, collaboration to do something you couldn't do alone. Having short/long term goals. Knowing your brain isn't even built yet. Soft skills are nuanced.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I understand. I have very limited time as well but do try to do some with feedback b/c I do think it's important. #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @Todd_Lash
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5 #csk8 formative (however informal) helps differentiate instruction. We use self-paced activity guides on iPads so easy to change which one a student is doing
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:49 PM EST
    I updated it with the badge - just clicked that something was done & it was automated. They added their trainer image. #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010, @mlmiller
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A5 Use the data to reflect on my teaching practices and how I can improve. Also make notes of where the misconceptions seem to be and then implement material into the next cycle (if spiralling) of curriculum. Have 1:1 conferencing/interviews with s's to discuss next steps #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A4: Here is a resource that some may find helpful for collaboration: https://t.co/W4erKg5qUp #csk8
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A5) We do an activity as a class where we stress what we did well, what we did poorly and what our next steps should be. I use S's assessments to evaluate where I may have went wrong. Did the students miss a concept I thought they had? What do I need to do to improve? #csk8
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A5: I ask students to evaluate me and give me feedback about the class at different points. Also, I try to make the narrative reports collaborative. Grades can get in the way so I try devalue them. #csk8
  • GoodgameCarol Feb 7 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Students learning that failing ok and you learn from the failure. Engineering/CS is iteration. #juniorbotball #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:50 PM EST
    #csk8 A5 I think CS lessons for gen ed teachers collaborating is a great opportunity to reflect with the Ss on how things went. Ss can see Ts dealing with things that didn't go as planned (e.g. our particular chromebook models don't work with spheros) and show Ss adults learning.
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:50 PM EST
    usually it comes down to, what is the utility of doing a feedback activity right now when I know most of the S projects are not in a place where they want to share them, so they get angry and defensive no matter how kind the feedback is #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A5: To me this is WHY we have assessment. I need to use the data from it to inform my instruction. If Ss aren't getting nested loops, I need to reteach! #csk8
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:51 PM EST
    That said, giving a couple extra classes for more work does not usually produce much better results, it's a conundrum #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Seeing where I need to differentiate, or how I approach growth mindset and what #UDL strategies I can I implement going forward. #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A5: Assessments inform my next lesson - how to differentiate and support specific students. Definitely impacts next session and I keep updating the curriculum based on assessments and student surveys to get better each time. It can never be done! #csk8
  • mrskalthoff Feb 7 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Thanks for sharing @Todd_Lash #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @Todd_Lash
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:52 PM EST
    #csk8 Agree, you have to know if the Ss learned or not. And how well.
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Awesome idea. Sometimes we have to model for students that failing is OK. #csk8
    In reply to @MarkNechanicky
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Do you follow this up in the next lesson to re-assess these skills? #CSk8
    In reply to @MrCWells
  • RonSchaeffer Feb 7 @ 8:53 PM EST
    I have experienced this too. Very frustrating. #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Failure is okay - giving up is not! #csk8
    In reply to @MrCWells, @MarkNechanicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Sorry to hear that Owen. Sounds frustrating. Can you get a handle on why? #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Be watching for our last question of the night. #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:54 PM EST
    #csk8 Like Tom Wujec's marshmallow challenge Ss need to know most of life is protoyping. Most of teaching is formative. Mistake redo mistake retool mistake refine.
    In reply to @MrCWells
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Q6: What other challenges do you have with computer science assessment in K-8? #csk8
  • GJFScience Feb 7 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Great quote! And it shows our students that we are human and also allows us to model resiliency as well as create that environment where it's ok to ask questions and make mistakes #CSk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @MrCWells, @MarkNechanicky
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Yes it is hard to make the time in class for feedback - I sometimes do it at the end of a unit or only for the major projects. It has to be quick - a sticky note in 5 mins or less can work #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:55 PM EST
    If we can. Sometimes we make the missed skills part of the success criteria. If it is a soft skill, it is a theme that can run through the entire year. #CSk8
    In reply to @GJFScience
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:56 PM EST
    My gut feeling is Ss get excited about the fun stuff we do, but when they encounter stuff they don't get immediately, they just stop and play around, and never make it through that challenge, so they are not feeling that aha growth moment #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • mlmiller Feb 7 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A6 #csk8 Biggest challenge is that CS is already being very limited in time, so any formal assessment cuts into valuable instructional time
  • techteacher Feb 7 @ 8:57 PM EST
    #csk8 I think Ss r conditioned 2 think a projrct is done when they turn it in. This happens w/ writing too. Having an authentic purpose/audiens helps.
    In reply to @owenpeery, @VisionsByVicky, @Todd_Lash
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Not a challenge (I have many of those though) but wanted to ask if anyone has done the Bebras Challenge with their students? https://t.co/03htJjZ92A #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Ahhhh... task avoidance. Yep. I'd love to talk more about this at some point. #csk8
    In reply to @owenpeery, @VisionsByVicky
  • ed_saber Feb 7 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A6: Oh so many. First of all settling my philosophical questions about assessment. I do want to better understand how assessment can support community and culture in my classroom. And how to make it meaningful and not punitive for the students, do it without grades #csk8
  • MarkNechanicky Feb 7 @ 8:58 PM EST
    #csk8 A6 Balance. Enough assessment instruction is driven, enough time to instruct. In elementary CS time is very limited.
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A6: Time ! Always the biggest challenge. Time in classroom to do assessments, and time after class to go over projects and reflections and analyze these assessments. #csk8
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:58 PM EST
    which is addictive, and makes them ready to handle even more challenges, but I'm struggling to get most Ss over that first "this is hard" hump #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Thank you for helping us to try to answer the question What Does Assessment Look Like in K-8 Computer Science during tonight’s #csk8 chat.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:59 PM EST
    An archive of this chat will be posted in the K-8 Computer Science Teachers g+ Community at https://t.co/Pun3ZoWtgN Please continue the conversation there or on Twitter using the #csk8 hashtag
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:59 PM EST
    If you are not yet a member of CSTA, we encourage you to join at https://t.co/mNoyhkrsXg #csk8
  • MrCWells Feb 7 @ 8:59 PM EST
    6) I think that the biggest challenge is having staff buy in. It is hard to learn new things and CS takes time and patience #STEAM learning and #HourOfCode has made it easier, but there are some who may still be hesitant. How do you build a K-8 program without everyone? #csk8
  • owenpeery Feb 7 @ 8:59 PM EST
    and not even bad behavior per se, just they click around and look like they are doing something but they are not, then refuse to turn something in to a studio bc they know it's nowhere near done, and prob why a few extra days doesn't produce better work #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Feb 7 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Summer will be here before we know it. Lots of PD opportunities are happening this summer including the CSTA Conference. https://t.co/kduD3KpB5r We hope to see you there! #csk8