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Thursday August 18, 2016
Q1: How has your school developed strategies for mindsets? Describe any CPD you’ve experienced. https://t.co/hIQo0YDtX3
We were introduced to growth mindset last year but our first CPD on it will be in Sept.
Q1 Again:
How has your school developed strategies for mindsets? Describe any CPD you’ve experienced. https://t.co/hIQo0YDtX3
Hello this evening. Not sure what I can contribute but very important and interesting topic.
... and has the growth of Growth mindset been... er... growing in the interim?
How was it originally introduced? Any guidance from those introducing it?
Some of us have been doing our own reading, but there are a few who regard it as "just a fad" - so very mixed
Judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will live it's whole life believing that it is stupid! https://t.co/LdVZCrJg9j
intro was just a mention in INSET and suggestions to use more positive language with students. it wasn't substantial
Personally I'd say both at the same time.
Good strategy thoughh, as immediate top-down approach would put many off straight away
Do you think the 'feeling of fad' is more prominent than with other initiatives that have been introduced?
A2 By admitting own limitations and demonstrating resilience in the face of errors/mistakes and willingness to learn
A great question. Does it need to be embedded across the whole community: children, parents, staff?
Not necessarily. Learning alongside would be a great sign of admitting limitations and showing growth
A1 it's about an embedded approach in which everyone believes in the power of mindset & impact of positivity on learning
Q2 Again:
How can all staff be encouraged to demonstrate a growth mindset in their school lives? https://t.co/hIQo0YDtX3
True growth mindset takes a while to make it habitual. Need to be fully in place with staff before helping kids?
it has had an impact with so many in the last few yrs. but also a dislike of change & being told what to do
A2 I think that staff need to actively try new pedagogy
In my view learning alongside is great demonstration of growth mindset!
Getting to that... You DID say staff first. 😊
I liked the Growth mindset pocket book and then moved on to Dweck's book
Do you have the link to the pocket book? Not seen that one.
Agreed and thus mindsets can be "learnt" and "taught" and "practised" together too
Modelling from those that want to introduce it
Shouldn't we all model it? So all of us taking charge and rresponsibility
Q3 How can we ensure everyone’s understanding of the Mindset theory? What does the research say? https://t.co/hIQo0YDtX3
Q2 Absolutely, some will take longer but positivity and reinforcement will help
A2: leadership needs to create a culture where it's ok to try (and sometimes fail) new things. That creates + mindsets in staff
Not sure we need to have deep understanding of the theory, it's more about application.
I agree but I also think that something like this can seem very theoretical until you see it in practice.
A2 at the risk of becoming boring, through culture and ethos
a1 I went to training then delivered to staff to plan strategies for our school. Training was by Barry Hymer. Fab course
Q3 Again:
How can we ensure everyone’s understanding of the Mindset theory? What does the research say? https://t.co/hIQo0YDtX3
a2 they need to understand what its about and believe in it. Also need to have growth mindset for themselves! 1/2
A2 Having an open an honest debate about what and why an idea is being introduced. Staff need to be able to discuss their concerns
yep, culture and ethos are the key
This is why I say we need to put it into practice quickly and more rather than make big deal of theory
I have been to a Barry Hymer session. Was fab! Highly recommended.
a2 provide frameworks for feedback, marking, dialogue, displays etc that promote growth mindset with their class 2/2
Absolutely. Including the 'positives' of learning from mistakes; celebrating these as part of the journey https://t.co/jxPf1zzGLb
A1 it's about an embedded approach in which everyone believes in the power of mindset & impact of positivity on learning
That's fine... keep it coming! 😊
or a "do as I say not as I do" situation which happens a lot ime
Agreed, but if we all demonstrate willingness to learn, we model in best way
He gets around does Barry Hymer, lost count of how application forms I've read that mention his training. Must be good
Is that simply creating a pleasant environment or encouraging and building growth?
A3 read the research, listen to Dweck and then discuss and collaborate to deepen understandings
I know what you mean, but every strategy can be misused in that way. Not lack of understanding
Have you seen this happening?
true. But if teachers have a greater understanding of a theory surely it will be implemented more effectively
To me this is too theoretical as approach. Practice better than preaching
Interesting how it is seen as 'all or nothing'. !
it certainly does, which is why we use practitioner enquiry, professional dialogue and cooperation
a3 Read Dweck's original book and research. It wasn't originally aimed at schools but at life generally.
a4 highlight that actually, most people are a mixture of growth and fixed. We are rarely only one or the other.
Agree with role of research, but practical expertise and tacit knowledge equally relevant
which goes completely against growth mindset! Would be comical if it wasn't so worrying.
A4 by collaborating and through professional dialogue centred in trust and respect
I agree with you, great book but the issue becomes time to do the reading. For me insomnia is my friend
of course it is, which is why culture and ethos key
This is why, as you said, culture & ethos are key. It's about sensitivity; emotional intelligence https://t.co/RbCbOAh7mZ
A4 by collaborating and through professional dialogue centred in trust and respect
Stressing that fixed/growth mindsets are transient. We all have growth mindsets in some areas and fixed in others
yes theory wrongly applied has horrendous results. That is worrying.
Could you cite any rebuff research links? Would make interesting reading.
Agreed, but this is why practice and application important, not just theory on its own
This is a rapid fire tonight! Hard to keep up! 'thavebeenlate
Not sure about direct link to achievement, but certainly linking to student mindset, and so indirectly perhaps yes.
Dweck's mindset theory - and strategies to develop a growth mindset - are so simple yet affective https://t.co/4StbyIC8gG
School governors raise concerns over academisation-find out what governor's said in our recent survey https://t.co/usccpoqNJu
growth mindset and positive mindset are different things
Dweck is also critiqued though and that needs to be considered, too.
q5 of course! Its called the Pygmalion effect. Teachers must have a growth mindset to develop it in their students.
Completely. High expectations from teacher drivers pupils forward and they then have high thoughts of self https://t.co/btIFQfNoWI
Thanks. Will take a look. Anything peer reviewed?
No proof it links to achievement directly, though.
as with Howard Gardner's learning styles... got wrongly interpreted in the classroom with labelling https://t.co/k7HwJXfaCb
applying theory incorrectly can be destructive. I've heard "that child hasn't got growth mindset so won't succeed".
agreed, I think that it needs to be made clear that growth mindset is not the cure all to raising achievment
Gardner's multiple intelligences are not learning styles!
there absolutely is. Read The Sutton Trust's 'What makes great teaching' - teacher expectation has big effect.
Expectation yes, but not teacher's growth mindset
there is proof but you are right - high expectations should be key regardless.
It growth mindset simply high expectations at its core? Expectations from whom?
No, exactly not. Expectations and mindset separate and can exist one without other
yes I was referring to expectations. And in context of GM discussion, teacher expectations are key.
'Understanding' implies the lesson is learnt. It is a skill or a journey?
But mindset and expectations can exist one without other
only works if their fixed mindset is one which believes in everybody's potential. Unlikely.
a6 shouldn't be seen as an 'add on'. The ethos should be embedded within the school.
Ultimately we want our students to know that hard work does pay off and you're not stuck being an underachiever. (1/2)
(2/2) How Ter models/develops that will change from one individual to another, and Ss will require different approaches
Through consistent practice. Mindfulness doesn't just happen, it is a skill that needs to be honed.
anything that can be done here? Apprenticeships rock, esp when fed by students https://t.co/7IAzWP99MK
Half of A-level students being 'undersold' apprenticeships |Photos of mixing plaster? Is there any wonder?! https://t.co/RGM746wfGr
I have a hard enough time getting Ss to attend maths/Eng. they don't care about mindset theories. That's for me to worry about
a7 more students thinking about their thinking and learning and more teachers thinking about their teaching.
A6 create a little 'you' time, deep breaths and try following for more ideas and encouragement
just saying that IF a school wants to embed GM, the teachers need to believe in it.
in GM teachers expectations are key (as in many initiatives) thus if they don't believe, it won't work
Thank you for this . Interesting debate...
If people don't believe hard work and dedication makes a difference why are they teaching?
Would amend 'believe' to 'understand value' not whatever opinion of GM
Where do you think will be a stronghold ouside of education sector?
Time will tell but in out current world of "distractions" it should stay
I would be interested to read the 'original' research.
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Just realised that our starts right after finishes...good or bad thing?
Wonder what the "constants" were in this research?
