#Edchat is a hashtag, a movement—it is a weekly organized Twitter discussion of educators and people interested in education that meet virtually from all over the world. #Edchat serves as a conversation thread on Twitter and is also used for organized weekly discussions.
“I had no choice, so I put my hands up.” Y’all, my kids read a selection from @angiecthomas “The Hate U Give” and wrote letters to Starr’s local PD. I am loving this book for giving us a platform for this critical discussion. #edchat#sixthgrade#socialjustice
I know I would love to redesign my classroom but if I want something other than attached chair/desk combo I have to purchase. I use my own money for other things..#Edchat
Now discussing the #Edchat Topic: Has the time arrived to consider the role of classroom environment in learning and reconsider the role of desks in rows?
Elementary school students designing braille signs? Hear stories of using #Tinkercad for access including creating objects such as prosthetics, tactile maps, signage, and sensory tools https://t.co/z985Zq13BW#edchat
In my experience, having desks in roles really makes the classroom feel formal and rigid. I’ve noticed students are more willing to collaborate and share ideas when they sit in groups or pods #edchat
I do not assign seats and some pick new ones every day..but we still have the attached desk/chair combo which make arrangements harder..pods mean someone has to climb ovee..bigger kids hate that #Edchat
Joining Chat. I am a middle school teacher in Oklahoma. Just getting into interacting with social media as a means to connect with other educators #edchat
I haven't found that. I do have problems with them having to turn their desks around, but that's an effort thing, not an unwillingness to collaborate in almost all cases. #edchat
Much like your livingroom at home, arrangement of furniture indicates priority of the space... all chairs face the television or each other? Desks face teacher? Desks at all?! #edchat
Don’t judge a student’s story by the chapter you walk in on...
...just imagine how we can serve as enhancers of their story, inspirational book marks, and reminders that they can pen a happy story of perseverance and hope!
We don’t judge, we inspire! #Heartwork
I think this is only true if the teacher is in the front. They can be in rowd with T sitting in middle and all working on different things with groups or alone #edchat
Top of the hour, join #edchat Topic: Has the time arrived to consider the role of classroom environment in learning and reconsider the role of desks in rows?
Elementary education student at the University of Wyoming here. I totally agree, but what would you suggest as an alternative seating arrangement? I’m curious..
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Often, yes. I will start class with rows or groups of desks and tell them to rearrange as needed for their tasks that day. A bit chaotic, but everyone ends up where they need to be! #edchat
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@ShiftParadigm, @DrGodard, @tomwhitby, @EJFullertonEdu, @sgthomas1973, @kathyiwanicki, @pamcharvat
Classroom furniture arrangements needs to enhance the instructional practice in the classrooms. If you want students to talk engage in academic dialogue the learning environments must be support it. Talking at the back of someone’s head doesn’t work. #Edchat
#edchat I haven't had students in desks for 8 years. Tables, soft chairs, the floor, standing tables, etc. There should not be seating arrangements designed by teachers, they should be designed by students. Flexibility.
Actually no...I think they move for a fresh feeling. There are others that always go to same seat...it is an interesting study...chit chat on topic is encouraged #edchat
Hi! Noel from NC. My students are in two horseshoes, one inner and one outer. They pay attention and contribute to class discussion better. They work harder when they are comfortable. I am adding more comfortable chairs (slowly but surely). Happy kids, happy life. :) #edchat
We are certainly reconsidering the purpose and function of furniture in our libraries... why not other teaching & learning spaces (i.e. classrooms)? #edchat
Agree. Valuable report from @EdTrust. There's not enough composing in the classroom, but don't blame teachers. Class size is the problem. No time to give students the attention and feedback they need. #edchat#studentsuccesshttps://t.co/0QmuTvlWkV
I agree. It needs to be a class by class arrangement. Not every group of students is the same and one class may benefit from rows while another benefits much more from a circle arrangement. #edchat
I did this more often..T on first floor under me complained about noise of moving furniture all the time..sigh...we still do it but I try to have them be quieter #edchat
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I agree, but always struggle with keeping students on task. Very short instructional periods (47 Minutes). I have more of a conference room set up. #edchat
Collaboration promotes student innovation and inquiry. When was the last time you were innovative staring at someone's back? Environment matters! #Edchat
Now discussing the #Edchat Topic: Has the time arrived to consider the role of classroom environment in learning and reconsider the role of desks in rows?
Many Ts in my building have flexible seating arrangements. Ss know they will have time for on-topic chit chat, so they pay attn during instruction. Its the expectation. #Edchat
The horse shoe tables are a great resource. It allows you to work with several students at once and flex to any assignment. We currently use ours when a student may be hesitant to major classroom changes and wants to go to one spot in the room that doesn't move. #edchat
We talk about the one speaker rule...but a lot of my direct instruction is casted...short 5 min chunks in the class...more often application with us all supporting each other. #edchat
I feel that everything in a classroom should be movable to provide for all different kinds of learning experiences. My Learning Spaces page https://t.co/v6Os4P7VxY My Learning or Informational Commons page https://t.co/jqZpGmAacR#edchat
Rows seem to be about 2 things: look at me (the teacher) and take a test... what other function do they serve? Learning spaces in all grades must allow for kinesthetic and collaborative work; each student doing what s/he needs #edchat
Remind me what age group you teach? Telling a group of teenage girls that there can only be one speaker in the room at a time is not an easy task ;) #edchat
When I was at @suny_cortland , our library had small tables against the wall with screen connected with Air Media. It was great for collaboration #edchat
Desks in rows work best when teacher-led, direct instruction strategies dominate the classroom. Probably not different from this 1950 education video.
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I believe depending on grade, and subject that rows may be beneficial to order in a classroom but specifically in younger classrooms I think that grouped tables and desks are a great way to teach group work and socialization beyond students normal friend groups. #edchat
I do think that mobility and flexibility is important. Think about the different needs of an individual activity, versus pairs, and group of 4. Multiple arrangements for that alone #edchat
2 Evidence-Based Learning Strategies: Spaced and retrieval practice help students retain content and give them a sense of what they know—and what they don’t. #edchathttps://t.co/QGRu1Nv0Ti
I'm about to redo my math sci room. I have a small class of 13 Ss and full inclusion. Some need a more Tr centric model. Lots of repeated modeling. My presence seems to trump moderate attention deficits. Still trying to figure out a balance. Any thoughts? #edchat
So how does it work? Do they get to sit anywhere they want, with a new choice every single day? Do you find that the kids will just choose the same seats over and over to be with their friends? #edchat
I see the argument for rows maintaining order, but at the same time if a student wants to talk to her person behind them, that creates moments of disorder and time off task. It’s double edged. Ultimately classroom management plays a role #edchat
Yes! As an art teacher I've never had desks in rows, just group tables, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like flexibility in seating depending on how we are working. #edchat
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@tomwhitby, @ShiftParadigm, @KristynStevens9
Face to face wins because it makes it conversational and collaborative. Great reminder #edchat even most teacher workshops are set up collaboratively. Baffles me why we don’t apply the same to our campuses. #edchat
I have the same groups of kids for 3 years in a row. They sit with the same groups almost every time. They figure out what works and what doesn't. They rarely change groups and sit different places I have found. #edchat
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@teachermike72, @sgthomas1973, @DrGodard
Worked in classrooms with tables (EC and kinders) other grades desks not in rows but often in groups of four. Easily moveable for many reasons. See Sts have more choice of working on the floor, other spaces or they designed privacy areas #edchat
Had the privilege of observing and working with many primary teachers - amazing use of the carpet instead of desks. Often wonder about the effectiveness of carpets as learning spaces/desk alternative in older grades. #edchat
We have flexible seating that didn't cost anything. Raise standard desks and tables or lower them. 1 T uses cinder blocks to raise desks/tables. Use milk crates. Can be done for *mostly* free. #Edchat
I’m really surprised by these responses. I had no idea that teachers have this much flexibility when it comes to designing their classroom. I am looking forward to my future career as a teacher! Thank you for the responses. #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @mthornton78, @tomwhitby
You should look into getting a horse shoe table. It allows the teacher to be at the centre with a group who may need a little extra help and attention. It flexes as students can pick different spots around the table. You should leave it open to all students #edchat
Yes there are some kids who want the same seat every day. Others move around...never been a fight over a seat. There is always a readinf activiry to do by first 5 min so usually focus is on getting done more than seat #edchat
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Isn't it more a teacher mindset? No matter how the class is configured, are the students allowed to interact? Don't get caught up on logistics. #edchat
Depends on the kids. Some move around every day, some stay put. We've told Ss "sit where you will be productive". Not all follow through, but many do. #Edchat
What I found was that the Ss just took the same seat every day, with the same people around them, never any fights, just a lot of whispering and what appeared to be off task behavior. Unnerved me. #edchat
They wouldn't fit in my car! I have trapezoidal desks. Good for making groups, but difficult to transit. I stack extra chairs in corners and make extra desks student supply centers. They still take up space though..#edchat
I heard one good reason for rows and columns ... Eye contact, as in T eye contact. Ts can maintain contact w/ everyone = respect for all. (my paraphrase) #edchat
I agree, I think it depends on the class and also the activity going on. For example, a circular set up might be more popular when participating in discussions. #edchat
Thinking about how we teach will dictate our environment. Do we want to encourage student innovation through exploration or do we want to create a learning environment limited to teacher centered instruction? #Edchat
From my experiences, children learn best in groupings of desks or at tables. This allows for conversation, collaboration, and a growing sense of community in the classroom #Edchat#CI5307
I think it is. For the other 8 months we collaborate, laugh, bounce ideas off each other, talk, and get through our content...oh yeah we all grow as readers...the ultimate goal! #edchat
Isn't it more a teacher mindset? No matter how the class is configured, are the students allowed to interact? Don't get caught up on logistics. #edchat
I teach ESOL: 45-55 minute class periods. That's why I don't have desks to move. 2 tables (kidney and round). Ss sit where they like-table or floor. #Edchat
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@WillBoBeast, @schaeffer_ra, @ShiftParadigm, @DrGodard, @tomwhitby, @EJFullertonEdu, @kathyiwanicki, @pamcharvat
Subbed in 2nd Grade recently and T saw combo of 4sts not working. We talked about moving 2desks & it was done. Kids familiar w/desks moving for various reasons. In Ks no assigned seats & in small group lessons Ks could be asked to sit in a certain spot #edchat Lots of variables
Giving students influence on the environment around them makes the buy in much easier. Students can make an informed choice on the best area for each activity #edchat
I believe relationships are the key to it all...if you have rows but great relationships kids will go further than fancy environment and no relationships #edchat
Q to ponder: If T’s sell their course content to their buyers/S’s, should #EdLeadership sell their directives/initiatives to faculty similarly? Is compliance better than buying in? Is messaging crucial? Why or why not? #WhatKeepsMeUpAtNight#teaching#edchat
There is certainly a place for it, and for many, this is a lecture learning model. I think history has proven that lecture works, regardless of what the new research says. #edchat
What about the use of not just furniture, but sensory items as well: wiggle seats, rubber bands for leg/foot resistance? These can enhance the learning space #edchat
I like the idea of going outside during the warmer days, it provides a whole new learning environment that may really get some kids more involved in a lesson than they typically would, the only downside is that some kids might become too distracted. #edchat
I rearranged groups monthly with my gr. 8 class, but had to be very mindful of students with anxiety. Would have to start preparing them for a change at least 2 days in advance. #edchat
This is such a progressive idea for the classroom! Letting the students design their own space shows the children that they are respected as capable individuals and that the space is theirs #Edchat#CI5307
#edchat posts 1 question at the beginning. Tonight’s topic: Has the time arrived to consider the role of classroom environment in learning & reconsider the role of desks in rows?
Ss can have flexible seating and still all maintain eye contact w/T. Sitting on floor in groups or at tables, Ss just turn. No need for rows, imo #Edchat
It does sound like a great idea. When I gave my Ss choice for how the learning space would be decorated/what visuals to use, they unanimously said "we don't care, we never look at it anyway, just put something up there and let's get to work." #edchat
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@AddisonBlair_ed, @DijitalDharma, @tomwhitby, @peteandc
When do we as educators get to say "enough is enough"? When do we get to call out our elected officials for saying "quality teachers", "what's good for kids", and "quality education", but then cut us off at the knees with our ability to fight for our pay and jobs? #edchat
#edchat To really close the gap we need more Indigenous university graduates - A greater focus on education in all aspects of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander life would adva https://t.co/Ou1YNNfpGq
Anyone in #edchat with students who like #KPOP or #HipHopEd, cultural studies, social issues or #Olympics tie-ins, etc. Here's an example of the type of deep-dive exploration you can suggest as an inspiration.
I did a deep dive for @billboard and looked into @BTS_twt’s lyrical messaging, and how it relates to South Korean politics and millennial culture https://t.co/kvtKWOaGeb
For that matter, when do we say the same thing to parents who think they know more about teaching and educators than the ones with the credentials? #edchat
Teach kids to focus on attitude & effort instead of outcomes. Outcomes happen to us. We all control are the attitudes we take & the effort we put in. #edchat#reallife
Depends on the subject, but usually 60 mins. I taught all subjects except prep, so I would meet Ss at the door in the morning & tell them the new arrangement. Ss then move their desk. Done in approx 2-3 min. #edchat
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@WillBoBeast, @schaeffer_ra, @ShiftParadigm, @DrGodard, @tomwhitby, @sgthomas1973, @kathyiwanicki, @pamcharvat
A great build on activity is having students do a bird eye picture of their current classroom and dream classroom. It helps get some ideas out there and makes the students part of the process. It can be scaled to grade level and you can add other facets (budget, scale) #edchat
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@AddisonBlair_ed, @DijitalDharma, @tomwhitby, @peteandc
@GeorgeCouros : Most asked question in school is will this be on the test? Has nothing to do with curiosity. Doing something wrong if kids aren’t kicking and screaming to stay in school #edchat
Have a school in our district built as open clrm "experiment" in 70's. They recently finished renovation installing permanent walls throughout. #edchat
I believe relationships are the key to it all...if you have rows but great relationships kids will go further than fancy environment and no relationships #edchat
The conversations with peers and creating a collaborative culture of learners is certainly effective. It wouldn’t be the same without the opportunities to discuss and learn together. #edchat
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@WillBoBeast, @sgthomas1973, @schaeffer_ra, @ShiftParadigm, @DrGodard, @tomwhitby, @kathyiwanicki, @pamcharvat
And that would call for a immense amount of redefinition over an extended number of years. And even THEN not everyone would be kicking and screaming to stay in school. #edchat
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@mrterborg, @JinSooDHuh, @GeorgeCouros
I find that Ss tend to be focused no matter where they sit when in my room, and I think they appreciate having a choice, so more engaged. I have small groups, though. #Edchat
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@WillBoBeast, @schaeffer_ra, @ShiftParadigm, @DrGodard, @tomwhitby, @EJFullertonEdu, @kathyiwanicki, @pamcharvat
Giving students second, third, fourth chances to master a skill or overcome a behavior, does not mean you are soft, it means that you care. #EdChat#EveryKidEveryDay
Unfortunately, we didn't get the grant, but I was able to purchase more affordable seating so when I looped with my students to 3rd grade they were able to reap some benefits of their hardwork! #edchat
It’s not a great school unless students, teachers, staff, and guests enjoy being there. Great schools are great places for everyone. #edchat#JoyfulLeaders
I don't think there's a universal solution. Some youth are developmentally and technically/academically ready to leave at younger (or older) ages. #edchat
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@teachermike72, @JinSooDHuh, @GeorgeCouros
I think some of both! I like choice and options. Do not like forced groupings or independent. This may be the introvert in me or the SpEd teacher in me tho...#edchat
I had a classroom of 30 3rd graders and it was the best behaved class I had ever had when I gave them
flexible furniture and choice of where they could learn. #edchat
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@sgthomas1973, @WillBoBeast, @schaeffer_ra, @ShiftParadigm, @DrGodard, @tomwhitby, @EJFullertonEdu, @kathyiwanicki, @pamcharvat
Reading tweets on “kidney” shape tables and realized many of our classes opted out of using them to make space for different seating arrangements around a library space. #edchat Meeting the needs of students IMHO
I personally have never understood what a "relationship" with a student is (other than friendliness) and is not. If it means understanding their lives beyond my classroom, and trying to facilitate their interests I get it. But some Ss just don't want that...#edchat
#edchat ~ I definitely believe that we’re past the time of needing to redesign the learning space all the way from Kindergarten through Higher Education. We must have spaces that provide for flexibility of all types of learning. #fhuedtech#fhuedu642#ISTEAPLN
Have you ever been in a shared space but felt invisible? As if no one would really notice if you disappeared? To me, relationship means letting Ss know that you SEE them. #Edchat
It does not have to be knowing their lives or trying to dig deep. It is respect and trust. Understanding that we all have bad days ..supporting risk taking...etc..#edchat
If I don't want them doodling for a particular lesson/activity then the markers won't be left out, but overall I don't think doodling necessarily means they aren't focused. Sometimes students even find ways to use the desks I didn't anticipate. #edchat
Open classroom is not about the "classroom". It wasn't about the classroom or the soundproofing or the curriculum. It was that the teachers were not trained for the change in practice #edchat
Do you mean that literally? Just noticing them, greeting them, calling on them, being friendly toward them...that is not what I would call a relationship. That is just decent treatment of another human being. #edchat
It’s about being there for them when they need it. Knowing you care and they matter. Not ignoring that they have a world that we’re not privy to. #edchat To me that’s part of building relationships and trust.
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@DrGodard, @teachermike72, @sgthomas1973
They don't enjoy seeing me, because I will not violate their "space", but I will still be sure to have some sort of interaction. I teach ES, though. Less Ss who want to be invisible. #Edchat
So the next question: when that that come? I'm so frustrated with our state legislature I could scream, but in the end, I "make it happen" because that's what we do. "Make it happen" working more hours with less pay. #edchat#edrant
For whole group instruction I would have my Ss come up to the front for a mini lesson, but while they were working they had choice on where to sit and work. I certainly wouldn't be able to facilitate explicit instruction with Ss scattered all over the room.
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Okay, but what does that mean for me and my students of color? Me letting them know that I see them doesn't change their lives or their work ethic. They have to choose to work, don't they? #edchat
I only have experience w/ES but did raise 2 adults now and 2 nephews. That shield is their defense which they may need. Just let them know you’re there. It’s up to them if they let you in. #edchat
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@teachermike72, @DrGodard, @sgthomas1973
