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A1: Big fan of the mentality from lose ground to gain ground. Get down the line of scrimmage and rip backside arm to front side shoulder of the defender #hogfbchat
A1: Big proponent of FTTG and owning the angle needed to secure the block. Work to seal the backside gap with proper feet and force applied. #HogFBChat
A1: Can vary from player to player. We teach a 45 degree angle, but it all depends on the aiming point for taking over the block and get the DL cut off. #hogfbchat
A1 for us thats only happening on MidZone so I teach rip to cut off. Bucket step with a backside hand ripping through to get the DL on your back #hogfbchat
A1: I allow my guys to use whatever force/angle is needed to get the block done. They can determine everything based on DL’s alignment, how the opposition plays, and what the play call is. Their aiming point is generally V of the neck to the playside number. #hogfbchat
A1: don’t really like to “lose ground” we always taught a true outside zone step and work to get him cut off. If you can’t make it then do what you can to “box him out” #hogfbchat
A1: Our backside/cutoffs are a big area of opportunity for us to improve on this year. Being only my 3rd year in the WT I’ve been focusing on FS/POA.
Overall we’ve been using a Rip to run/snake tech. #hogfbchat
A1: skate crossover. Aim for PlayStation knee. Same as we would if we were running wide zone. Will cut it if need, same steps just add rip and roll. #hogfbchat
A1) Think you have to give your players a few options and let them choose what is best for them and whatis best bs player they are trying to block. Different techniques needed for a reader vs an attacking dl. #hogfbchat
Backside Scoop blocks emphasis on outside zone would be tackle gains depth to replace the guard on an angle to reach 3 tech. Guard takes hard playside step but chips through 3 tech to slow up so tackle can overtake. All about trusting blocking your area and finishing #hogfbchat
A1: we use a “ball, ball, vertical” progression. First two steps through the back of the football, 3rd step we get vertical to cut off the defender preferably to cut down the defender #hogfbchat
Q1: #hogfbchat drive/catch through our appropriate angle through our strike point. The wider the defender, the more force gets put through the ground, the deeper the catch foot lands. Should be square to our angle via midline by the first DC. Then own through angle.
A1: If their scooping our splits between those two better be tighter. 6 inch reach step and staying square. Don’t like them to turn their shoulders or work sideways too long on a DL with quick get off and violent hands.
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Q1: What is the footwork you use for backside scoop blocks? Bear crawl, 90-45-vertical, etc. A1: Open up and reach one man over or pull through center. #hogfbchat
A1: We will go 45 degrees then work vertical, if the guy is playing a 4 or a 4i then we will scramble ( bear crawl ) then work up to our feet. #hogfbchat
A1 Inside foot steps flat; Backside crossover step; backside drag hand ripping through, apply pressure against pressure. Playside hand stays free and running with it. #hogfbchat
A1) "Kick the Bucket" - drive force from opposite foot, allow athlete to be creative and making judgement on how far back that foot needs to go. Super aggressive allow - teach the dip/rip fight up field during pressure to pressured necessary. #ScooponPower#GapScheme#hogfbchat
A1: Depends on alignment of the defender. Generally speaking I use the “bucket step” just as terminology. We don’t really want to lose ground. Just want to drive off of the opposite foot and own whatever angle will help us achieve the scoop. #hogfbchat
A1: Back in our triple option days we certainly “scooped” everything backside as you can see from our playbook sheets. Now we treat that word like a curse word. We step flat and “reach” the guy in the next gap. If no lineman is present we work vertical to backer.
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A1: skate crossover. Aim for PlaySide knee. Same as we would if we were running wide zone. Will cut it if need, same steps just add rip and roll. #hogfbchat
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We didn’t scoop backside, we went with a BS double team. I don’t like using scoops with high school kids or younger bc they tend to feel like they have to aim behind them and unless it’s a vertical pass set, I didn’t want our guys giving ground
A1: depends on technique of defender whether it’s a cut or not. If we can cut him off we’d rather do that than cut him. Slight bucket with second foot at a 45 degree angle to get OL backside shoulder in playside arm pit of the DL #HogFBChat
A1: Def depends both my personnel and front. However, I've always focused more on aiming point and where they need to end up. Have used "lose ground to gain ground" for footwork. #hogfbchat
A1: Allow OL to work his quickest path but focus on getting the backside arm through their frontside shoulder while working up to the second or third level. Have to make sure we cross the face no matter how flat the first step has to be. #hogfbchat
A1: I START with a hard 45 (don't like to give ground.) From there, depends on 1. Phy. attributes of the player 2. The angle blocking angle to get to. That's just a starting pt though. Each dude knows how he'll get there. If the results are bad, I'll 'step in'⚒️🐗⚒️ #hogfbchat
A1: Depends on backside of what? We ran a toss sweep and wouldn't block b-gap DL or wider. For power (pulling-G), it depends on who my tackle is. Have taught top and also a bear-crawl cut-off. #hogfbchat
A1 cont: we do this more when we are running power for BST and TE running GT will work a drill with a dummy, firing out low and hitting the dummy with our outside shoulder for 4 steps and working to our feet. If we can’t seem to get that done then we just cut him down #hogfbchat
Depends on the technique of the DL. But typically if it's an inside technique on the BS(1 or 4i), we take a hard lateral bucket step towards the playside then a 45 degree step towards the playside shoulder then trying to drive through to our finish.#hogfbchat
A1) It’s all about locating your aiming points presnap. If I’m scooping or overtaking someone my first step is at the far armpit and my second step is vertical, splitting their numbers (ideally). 1/2 #hogfbchat
A1) cont…depending on the scheme I’ve used “bucket & rip” + “Give ground to gain ground.” However recently I’ve been trying to stay away from that verbiage. It tends to send the wrong message. We want to ATTACK our aiming points. Get downhill towards the LOS ASAP. 2/2 #hogfbchat
Our first step is at a 45 degree angle and aiming for the far armpit. Our second step is through the defenders crotch. Working to get vertical after we are fit. #hogfbchat
A2: Ideally we would then Block the DE and leave OLB as read BS. If it is PS then our footwork on Zone (Inside or Outside) should put us in position to pick up the stunt
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A1: I like for the OL to lose a little bit of ground to gain ground. goal is to finish on the playside of the defender to get a cutoff. It's safer than cutting and there's no "friendly fire" in cutting one of your own guys. #hogfbchat
A1) Certainly the scheme dictates this. MZ and IZ - Get hat play side. Footwork always adjusts based on how tight the 3 Or 4i is. Outside zone and speed option type plays allow cut opportunities #hogfbchat
A2: stay on your tracks. If something crosses your face, it’s yours. Don’t pass up 1st level. If your man vacates, you climb to next. We practice this with pods to death. #hogfbchat
Depends coach if I can make sure my guard continues to run while using flipper I like it, most guys lose their backside angle with the flipper so I prefer the hand me personally! #hogfbchat
A2: Well...depending on the scheme, stuff arm and stay on your angle . Outside zone and we are going to try to reach and let the back cut off the tackle. Must have a good stiff arm though. IZ, we good. #hogfbchat
A1: I've taught something I call smart steps, where the line man is making his own decision based on the speed and alignment of the guy across from him. The quicker we are, the more aggressive he can be. #hogfbchat
A2: depends on the play, pass pro we are going to work together and pass that thing off. Inside zone to the stunt the tackle will pick up the OLB and the guard will take the end. IZ away from it, we’ll block that sparking end because he gets on our tracks #hogfbchat
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How we handle this on ISV is if the dive key (DE) slants in, the ball will be pulled so the PST works to PSLB'er. We have a few tags to really eliminate games like this, or at least exploit them.
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A2: take our 45 degree zone step keeping our eyes up, covered man disappears inside then I’m working up to backer. Getting in the center of him and driving. Trying to get our young guys to understand don’t chase. #hogfbchat
A2: if DE is on our “rail” that is our block. Our right scheme is always a stay cutoff block, so b/s tackle would put back hand on the DE, w/ eyes up. If DE threatens gap, T stays with him. #HogFBChat
A2: Have done a couple things. 1. Taught "sift" tech where OT eyes LB on snap and sits back into DE if LB moves out. 2. Made call for OT to outside release if was constant or Def had a tell... #hogfbchat
A2: #hogfbchat if tipped, we should have an idea from film. If not we create space! Space is our friend. If only two man stunt the pickup isn’t a complex one, as G gets depth he should see DE slanting inside. From there it’s normal Drive/Catch pass pro principles.
A2: This is why I teach flat steps, or bucket for the slower ones, as their first step. With flat 3 steps prior to climbing, this allows time to pick up any DE stunts or twists #hogfbchat
A2: On IZ we account for that two different ways if he plays B gap inside T we will climb to LB, if he’s squeezing taking back off the tackle climb we will call bash with FB to avoid end and lead on backer for QB run #HogFBChat
Q2: depends on the Play....if it’s backside....get the closest threat, if it’s PS,,,, remember you have a zone not a man.... (unless it’s power then follow the rules lol) #hogfbchat
On a Pass we make a pre-snap "Out Call" to alert for edge pressure and echo call down the line. On Runs we make the same call or we make a "Push Call" which tells guard to buckle up D-End coming hot! #hogfbchat
A2: Usually a matter of driving them down if they are crossing face. We don’t see a lot of it because it usually leaves the OLB as KO bait. Or we’ll run counter to is. #hogfbchat
A2: OR down influence the DEs read and pull to log the OLB. Both using the DEs technique against him with the ability to run inside or outside the gap exchange. #hogfbchat
We don't run much zone or option so this isn't much of an issue for us... But I would most likely have the BST fake down then block out on outside threat. #hogfbchat
A2: So we do ours out of spread, too. If it’s backside of GT counter, we pull if DE crashes. QBs eyes go to OLB. If OLB sits, Ive thrown bubble to our inside receiver. If OLB steps up, inside WR runs a stick right behind him. #hogfbchat
A2: We go back to zone principles and block the area. Most opponents can be pretty formulaic in their approach and it's worked for us. We also teach our RB to adapt and "replace the flash" We made it up on the spot in a game years ago and it solved the problem #hogfbchat
A1) cont p2…in the past I’ve also used:
First step: Set your track (at DL’s palyside armpit)
Second step: Far toe to Far toe (step your backside foot at his play side foot…QUICK!) #hogfbchat
A2: this is why we preach playing with our eyes and hands first and foremost. Well coached offensive lines should be able to pick this up and continue their tracks #hogfbchat
A2) Run- We will double the DE to the LB. Pass- We make a call so the guard and center will look that way if they stunt we will pick it up. I feel like this question is too board. Haha #hogfbchat
Q2: How do you teach your OL to handle the scrape exchange (DE taking inside threat, OLB taking outside threat)? A3: stay on path if something goes away expect something coming back and don't chase 'em!! If it's a stunt they do regularly rep it rep it rep it!! #hogfbchat
A2: If we are still talking zone T takes DE up field. Pass pro wise play it patient. If it’s side side G will pick up DE and T posts waiting for the next threat (LB) in C gap Man side try to level it off get hip to hip with the T posting inside to facilitate the switch #hogfbchat
A2) Key goes away - Slow down + stay thick. Help your brother. This idea transcends just zone, if something isn’t in your gap slow down and help your neighbor. #UniversalRule#hogfbchat
A2: Backside of scoop if he crosses face we lock up and drive vertical. Backside of zone scheme we will have an answer on the perimeter. Playside of zone scheme we might "push" our combo to him. If not, our RB shouldn't bounce front door anyways. #hogfbchat
A2: 6 inch power steps with eyes up all the time. Every rep and film one of our OL guys is always watching steps. We must displace that interior threat to have a positive play. The OL coming off will be successful with second level if he hasn’t overstride initially.
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A2: #hogfbchat since I thought that was for pass pro LOL. If running OZ to that side, again if tendency we should have an idea. If not then we stay on our (now new) angles and strike point remains the same. If cannot get there, SP and angle changes and we get P2P And drive.
A2: because we are a Counter team that throws off the backside we see a lot of squeeze scrape to influence our QB’s to get a pull read. Rarely do we get squeeze scrape away from our RB. However, we block gaps not men so if that happens on the front side we’re good.
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Q2.) #HOGFBCHAT We are primarily a gap run team. Power/counter run plays all rely on rules that determine the blocking scheme regardless of front. Rules hold true to our Iron Read game and 1 back power scheme so this is not much of a problem for us. We don’t hang our hat on zone.
A2. Pass pro is unaffected as we attempt to be gap sound with the slide or have a rb accounting for the OLB run game can be affected on the backside of zone but we teach a thick thru sift technique to counter the stunt. #hogfbchat
A2: IZ or Power/Counter the BST will pick up the DE. We do have a tag where the BST will drop step and pick up the OLB. Then we read the DE. #hogfbchat
A2: Assuming passpro - we really focused on 1. communication ('Switch' call) 2. drag hand this past yr. (comms BOTH verbal and physical - PUSH if DE coming inside) and NEVER CHASE. Chaser's get called out on film. w/in-game tech - they'll get exploited. ⚒️🐗⚒️ #hogfbchat
A2) Depends on the scheme. We have rules to take care of most scenarios. If it’s a gap scheme take the first threat. If it’s zone, identify covered vs uncovered & if there’s a combo (if so, to who?). Same tends to apply to pass pro too. Trust your rules & communicate! #hogfbchat
A2) If you want to hold open the cutback I think sifting is the way to go. If you have a runner at QB and want to let him carry the ball in zone read than, the L block is a good option to block the QB player #HOGFBCHAT
A3: backside cut offs are much more effective under center because they hit so quick, if you even get a piece, you’ve still got a shot. You have to be very precise and not miss out of gun and pistol IMO #hogfbchat
A2: Recognize the DE's alignment. If it is tighter than normal, he's going inside. Have the tackle run to the 2nd level if the DE disappears inside to the guard. Guard will keep running to get leverage on slant. #hogfbchat
A1: as a base rule it would be the same way we reach on OZ. If we are having a hard time reaching the defender on the backside i would work to try to run around/rip around him
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A3: in my experience I haven’t seen a difference. But we didn’t cut when under center except for quick pass. And even then we set and show high hat before cutting through thigh board #hogfbchat
A3: I think so bc if we are running mid zone to a shade 5 and I keep cutting that bs 3 tech he will eventually quit squeezing his down block-in turn helping set up our inside trap! #hogfbchat
A2) On playside of gap run, our tackle is going to block down on the squeezing end and we would be digging out scraping backer on power and trapping PSLB on counter. In option, we’re going to load for PSLB and still pitch off next #hogfbchat
A3 I would say yes. Maybe more so since slower timing allows lbs more time to overplay and qb less likely to take rb off his aiming point (ps hip of c in iz) #hogfbchat
A3: Out of the gun in the single wing we feel the lead snaps create quicker hitting runs and as long as we cross the face on backside scoops we cannot be run down from behind and creates a numbers advantage at the second and third levels playside. #hogfbchat
A3- I like using cut blocking as changeup. I don’t usually cut backside but like I said earlier, sometimes I cut a backside 3 tech to give them a different look. My center can cut at anytime though. #hogfbchat
I like the vertical set we call it patriot. If backer walks down shows that he is coming we will make a ghost call. The OT will pick up back and the OG will pick up the DE. C will pick up the DT. The F will keep eyes on the Mike if he tries to come. #hogfbchat
A3: I like them because it allows the defense to flow and once they over commit then you can hit the cut back as the OL walls off the DL and LB. We teach our RBs to press the heels of the OL and find the hole or ride the wall. #hogfbchat
A3 yes That’s the beauty of IZ it uses the D pursuit against them. They fast flow and bam we blow it out the back door no matter under C or the gun it’s a dangerous run #hogfbchat
A3: I'm straight up nervous about backside cutting from under center because I don't want that mess near my QBs legs. If we have trouble blocking a dude, we will either double him or read him. #hogfbchat
A3: #hogfbchat yes absolutely. Since cutting is my last ditch effort to block a DL, if he makes the play STILL, good on him. That’s a helluva play. We need to fix our scheme or run something else to slow that guy down!
A3: We have went to more Pin and Pulling instead of cutting on backside. Usually only cut if we know the ball has no chance of bending back.
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#hogfbchat in our gap scheme rule based run system we never cut. More of a mentality for our guys. Cuts work for some teams and I get that but it’s just not us but we would rather put people on the ground by punching with great technique/driving/doubling.
A3) In pistol/gun running an OZ/Toss scheme I pretty much only allow the OT to cut if there’s a BS B-gap defender. Otherwise we need bodies moving playside & up to LVL2. We don’t cut BS on Power or IZ…only BS on OZ and some 3-step pass pro stuff. #hogfbchat
A3: Cont. If we are being run down it means the back isn't good enough or the timing and placement of the snap is not up to par with what is needed to proper run the scheme. #hogfbchat
A3: We don't teach cut blocks anymore because they have to be so fast hitting in high school. At the college level I think cut blocks are still very effective when it comes to outside zone and speed option. Sets the tone of the game and makes the DL pick themselves up #hogfbchat
A3: It’s not so much a problem for us since we run both UC and 3y pistol with the FB @ 5 or 6y.
If we’re getting overly aggressive BS players then we’ll dig into our tool box and use fold blocks. #hogfbchat
A3: Have to teach/rep course and RB eyes. I use midline steps for QB when running IZ out of pistol. Have found this to be best way for RB to both see cutback lanes and actually hit them. #hogfbchat
A3: even as an under center team we don’t cut a lot. Only when a play goes wide do we cut the interior guys. Probably wouldnt cut a lot in gun either because of the nature of the play. Sometimes cut if quick pads pro. #hogfbchat
A3: In my experience cut blocks are as effective as the teaching. The better you can teach, drill, and rep it the better they will be. When done right yes they are still very effective. #hogfbchat
A3: not a huge fan of cutting. Miscommunication can lead to illegal high-lows and therefore detrimental penalties. I'd rather preach good fundamentals (not that cutting is a bad thing) and emphasize footwork and ✋ placement. #hogfbchat
A3) No DL wants to get hit in the knees or below. Cutting at the very least will make them hesitant. If they are hesitant they aren’t attacking. #hogfbchat
A3: if you got a team that slants it could ruin the play. If you got more of a reading defense it can be very effective. Just got to make sure it’s effective. No lazy blocks. #HOGFBCHAT
A3) I think they are less effective, but the backs ability to see the block set up and the threat of a cutback is more effective. Now you can threaten the entire def front to play their correct tech and assignment. We only cut on bs as a very last resort #hogfbchat
A3) I do not teach backside cuts! because if they miss the initial launch (which in my opinion happens a lot at the high school level), the play is over. VS. scooping/bucket step allows them to set their own angle and fight through a pressure to pressure phase. #hogfbchat
A3: never been a cut guy just because I’m not comfortable coaching it currently. But I figure cut blocks are like sex, even a bad cut block still gets the job done #hogfbchat
A3: yes and no. Never met a DL that liked to pick himself up, but he's got a lot more time to still be in the play on the slower hitting runs. We've gotten away from the cut except for the RB blocking in pass pro or as a lead blocker #hogfbchat
A3: I don’t find IZ or OZ to be any slower/faster under center or in the gun. We teach backside cuts on OZ to remove a tackler and give the back someone to cut back on #hogfbchat
A3: And long as the mesh works with proper timing and the OL step to the call as they are coached to do. Having an unbalanced line and zoning weak helps this because the BSE has further to go. #hogfbchat
Line is as much mental as it is physical. Even the baddest boys are going to slowdown and hesitate after getting cut a few times. Anytime the D-line hesitates it creates opportunities no matter what the scheme (unless you’re running a screen or trapping) #Hogfbchat
A3: dont think DL like getting cut, or having to get back up from cut block #updowns And beyond the impact on individual play, I believe cut blocks slow pass rushers & blitzes. #hogfbchat
A3: Cont. Therefore instead of cutting on the backside we use that number and lead snap to our advantage to gain a frontside number rather than have him lying on the ground. #hogfbchat
A3: have been in the fun my young career, would love to do some under center stuff. Anyway I have seen this less and less. We weren’t very good at cutting so we just got away from it. We will use it as a last ditch effort. Seen OZ when you reach a full man and cut. #hogfbchat
A3: we play in IL soooo..... we can’t even REALLY cut. We get to flop to our bellies and lay there. But yeah, any time a cut is involved it slows dudes up enough. #hogfbchat
A3) In my experience Pistol (non read) and Under Center plays hit the same. Some call them “dot runs”. From the gun, cutting is less effective in my opinion #hogfbchat
Q3: With slower hitting runs in gun/pistol, are the backside cuts still as effective as they would be under center? A3: cut blocking is always effective I've seen good DL worry so much about getting cut it makes them slow play everything!#hogfbchat
A3) #2 Very hesitant to cut out of the gun. I don’t like taking the chance to get a penalty for blocking below the waist when ball is outside the free blocking zone. Risk is not worth reward in most cases. IMO #hogfbchat
A3: We track guys down backside quite often as a slant heavy d-line with longer, athletic guys as opposed to the stereotypical big, thick boys. When we come flat down the line, it’s hard to get away. #hogfbchat
A3: Absolutely... as long as you coach it and drill it and don’t just tell the kid to cut the dude. We were great at chopping dudes down because we drilled it every single day. The cut ball is your friend. Agiles work fine if no cut ball available. #hogfbchat
#hogfbchat a2 q 2 cont....on bs of gap scheme, BST will secure B gap and hinge for anything off edge, C will secure backside...Base Pass pro, with G working to T, T will ride DE down until bump by OG then get off when he needs to...with slide coming to him, post hand and hold
A3: (not "cut backs" lol). I don't teach cut blocks anymore... Had 97 yd TD called back years ago. Decided not to risk anymore... every once in a while have OL wayyy overmatched and will work some cut blocks as change up. #hogfbchat
QA) I hate the cut block especially backside ... if the RB being affected by BSE or BST I need a new back zzz backside we climbing and finding the MDM to clear out the cut back #hogfbchat
A2: Rather than having OL pick it up rather load the H back across and pick up LB whose exchanging. Hopefully QB has nothing but green grass then. #hogfbchat
A3) I hate the cut block especially backside ... if the RB being affected by BSE or BST I need a new back zzz backside we climbing and finding the MDM to clear out the cut back #hogfbchat
A4: 3-4, 4-3, 4-2, Bear
Just identifying what is in the box essentially. Could have other calls based on what we see in film, but most fit into those four categories. #hogfbchat
A4) Keep it simple - even or odd. Based off weeks preparation, the guys will understand what rules to operate off and what to expect from each look. #simplicity#hogfbchat
A4: odd or even tell our kids what to do. Also, center makes first call, all calls are based off that. As long as we know that call, we are good. #hogfbchat
A4: Where im at now, we break it into 5 catagories;
1. odd (52-34)
2. even (dbl 2s/3s)
3. split (1 & 3)
4. stack (33-35-53)
I personally like to just call how many down hands playside with the inside most tech.
1. 60 G (2i)
2. 40 shade
3. 40 eagle (3tq)
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Translate their defense into your defense. We are a smaller school so guys have to go both ways, so they know our defense. Lots of teams around here run a 4-3 or something similar. Helps kids to understand and spend less time explaining #HogFBChat
A3: I don't cut in this situation - to much time let's defender recover and very difficult to practice to the pt where it's CONSISTENTLY effective IMO. ⚒️🐗⚒️ #hogfbchat
A4) We just call them “5-man” or “6-man” boxes. I’m trying to keep it simple. Just tell me how many guys are in the box and if I ask where the DL is lined up, tell me what Tech. #simpleisbest#hogfbchat
A4: since the in-game feedback from our OL always reveals 13 defenders in the box #jokingnotjoking, we focus more on even vs odd front, and then unpack the differences from there #hogfbchat
A4: Hahahahaha
I just draw the scout cards. I don’t even bother with the pissing contest of what to call it anymore. It seems every coach in America uses a different football vocabulary when it comes to those types of things.
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#HOGFBCHAT a mix. If it has a common name I call it that. Last year we ran the single wing, so typically every team played it the same or adjusted their fronts to look like the same thing every week.
We call odd, even, or stack (to call 3-3). Other than individual lineman will call out techniques if they are covered. We are usually more concerned with where the d linemen are so we know what gaps to hit especially for pin and pull #hogfbchat
A4: The kids don’t really care what the name is. It’s easiest for them to count guys with their hand down and to focus on where they line up. #hogfbchat
A4: HAVE to say the front. Always felt like saying just “4-4” or “4-3” doesn’t tell what alignments the defense is in. A nose in a 0 is a lot different than a nose in a 1, etc.
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A4: We don't communicate fronts so much as we focus on shades as that determines a variety of blocks (influencing, fold or scoop, cross blocks, etc.) #hogfbchat
A4: They call everything an even or odd front. They don’t too much care where the 2nd level is just want to know who their doubling with this week. Blocking the 2nd level for us is taught by gap responsibility, DL goes away blow up the run through on your track.
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A4: Over, Under, Odd. We are spending time this off-season looking for different was to simplify it for our players so they can communicate better to the coaches what they are seeing, because our line doesn't really learn formations or know where the strength is. #hogfbchat
A4: we identify the front with the number of d line men first and then how the linebackers are aligned. Split/stack. So example would be 4 split or 3 stack
Q4: How do you name/communicate your fronts? Do you say "4-4" or do you say "Over G" or "Eagle"? A4: As coaches ussualy stick with the old 3-3, 3-4, 4-3, etc. For the kids Center makes even vs odd call and is never wrong we will block what he calls. #hogfbchat
A4: Our RG, who is center of our UBSW, makes a call along with our Blocking Backs cadence to identify the front and change the blocking scheme accordingly. No official title given to the fronts, all that matters is the call and number of DL. Calls always make us right #hogfbchat
A4) I believe less is more. I like to have the center make a one word front call and we had a nice naming system for that this year which allowed us to play faster #hogfbchat
A4) We just communicate whether it’s an odd or even front. We say “30” for even and “40” for odd. If it’s unique we’ll call it specifically: “Stack” “4-3” #hogfbchat
A4 odd or even and technique numbers. Keep it as simple as possible. My guys dont need to know defensive philosophy, they need to know where they line up in order to execute their blocking rules. #hogfbchat
A4: odd/even based on covered or uncovered C, the rest is just covered/uncovered rules and identifying the read...unless it is a 3-4 and for that we have a few adjustments
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A4. We usually just call the odd or even. We will identify them further if needed for purposes like identifying the Mike. For example, identifying them as a "stack". #hogfbchat
A4: my first two years our center identified the fronts. If it was a Odd, Even, or Stack that told the other 4 what steps and what to expect. Where im at now we just call out techniques which helps us. #hogfbchat
A4: I keep it simple. Basic Defensive structure... 4-3, 4-4, 3-4, 3-5. and how the DL aligns strong/weak. I really focus more on how they align to formations than anything. #hogfbchat
A4: We keep it real simple. Covered or uncovered. That is it. Nothing else. We have blocking rules for each play. The defense can line up any way they want. We will rep our offensive blocking scheme. #HogFBChat
A4: I know I’m being a tool answering my own question, but what we do is ID the defense from guard to guard.
DL alignment
even = C uncovered
odd = C covered
bear = C/G
LB alignment
split = no LB over C
stack = LB over C
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A4) I wanna improve this for our kids this year. Mostly been just Odd or Even, but I hate the KISS method. Loathe it. Kids aren’t stupid, they will learn what’s important to them. We put a lot on our skinny kids, and I want to do the same to our big boys. #hogfbchat
A4: We look pretty comical because Everytime they change it, the whole line starts chattering about what it us and starts holding up fingers to each other and to me so everyone is on the same page. We probably look like chirping birds around a bush but it's effective #hogfbchat
A4: 4-2, 4-4, etc. Our OL coach does a good job of teaching our kids. He recently just took a page from Rick Trickett’s book (Complete OL, I would recommend it) and has our DC coach our OL on defensive scheme, fronts, and what is trying to be accomplished once a week.
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A4: Want guys to adjust to different alignments/situations rather than a whole front. Put our guys in good spots and then allow guys to respond to what they can directly see in front of them. #hogfbchat
A4: Odd, Even, Bear. Add "stacks" to it if there is an odd number (1 or 3) LBs in the box. It's how the OL and coaches communicate the front. #hogfbchat
If he is head up on the guard I would say hand so u dont get caught up to much on the 3 tech because his alignment makes it so we have to take a great angle to complete the backside cutoff. #hogfbchat
When we get to the line, the Center talks first by calling out the front.
Every possible front in football:
“Even Split” (4-4 look)
“Odd split” (3-4)
“Even Stack” (4-3)
“Odd Stack” (3-5)
“Bear Stack” (5-3)
“Bear Split” (5-2)
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Even/ odd/ bear... Everything else will take care of itself. I don't want to put too much on them. Know the alignment and let me do the other thinking #HogFBChat
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A3: No. D-linemen getting back into the play is a concern and would rather square drag backside to allow time to pass up stunts/sift your gap #hogfbchat
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A4: 'Odd' or 'Even'. Center makes the call, then additional calls off of that. (It's tough to find a dude that's smart - film study, vocal, physical (can handle a nasty NG) AND snap gun. This yr I had a really good one. Ideally they're developed in lower levels. ⚒️🐗⚒️ #hogfbchat
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A4: Center makes even/ odd call. Even calls... tight-11, wide-33, under/ over. Bear for odd. ID’s the mike as the LB he’s working to by calling his number. Center starts the calls/ protections. Others adjust accordingly. #HogFBChat
A4) When scouting and meeting we can get more specific with over, under, solid, 55, 44. On the field more in terms of odd/even with the center then work out with calls from there. #hogfbchat
A2) BST works a sift block keeping a high hip so he doesn’t get collapsed. If he knows it’s an exchange he can turn out on him since that’s the gap he’s responsible for. #hogfbchat
A3) you cant rely on it all the time but it’s nice to have in the “tool box”. Have to rep it and use good technique to set it up. Nothing worse than seeing an OL flop on the ground then watch DL make the tackle. #hogfbchat
A1) Lots it factors but I think for zone team aiming point should be backside hand through playside shoulder of defender. Get the idea of getting your entire body in front to cut him off. Then you can either Box Out or Wheel Back if they’re scraping over the top. #hogfbchat
