#miched Archive

The #michED chat is a grassroots effort dedicated to giving teachers, students, and parents across Michigan a bigger voice in the conversation about education in our state. We welcome all voices through a variety of projects, media, and social networking. We’re trying to address educational issues through apolitical conversation, spreading ideas and stories of success from Michigan classrooms across the state, and helping teachers and students regain the courage to connect and demonstrate that schools in Michigan are creating amazing opportunities for learning. We want the face and voice of education in Michigan to be a mural of shared experiences and positive examples of connected learning.
Wednesday May 17, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
  • participatechat May 17 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #miched by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/Y5iW4Lilye
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight's #miched chat on teaching argument writing. Please introduce yourself! Name? Grade(s)? Location?
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Hope to see @OaklandELA join in #miched chat going on now!
  • campbellartsoup May 17 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Looking for an @ArtPrize venue for @ByronCenterPS Youth Collaboration Entry. #artsed #miched Made by 250 students in a week!
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Jeremy. 8the grade English and Science. Right smack in the middle of Michigan. Glad to be here tonight. #miched
  • MsNiehaus May 17 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Hey #miched Sammy here! I teach 4th grade in Jackson! I'm already jealous of any of you who have A/C in your schools! 😅
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Again, welcome to tonight's #miched chat on teaching argument writing. Please introduce yourself! Name? Grade(s)? Location?
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Rachelle from St. Clair. Argument is so important to practices and standards! Excited to participate this evening. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hey #miched. Kit from Sarnia, ON. K-12 edtech for Port Huron Schools. Fresh of a beautiful walk on the beach with my daughter :-)
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Welcome, Sammy. Sounds like you might have a topic for an argument essay… #MichED
    In reply to @MsNiehaus
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    'Evening, #miched. Janet from Cadillac. I teach 9th & 12th graders. I've been piloting the College-Ready WP this year w @chippewariverwp.
  • KellCusmano May 17 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hi #miched! Kelley-HS ELA & Leadership T from Rochester. Looking forward to the talk but I'll be in & out until 8:30 b/c of #kiddobedtime!
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    We have to take advantage of these things. The great lakes are GREAT! #MichED
    In reply to @hickstro
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Just a quick note to say that many of the ideas and resources we are sharing tonight are part of our work with @writingproject #MichED
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Steve, HS Science in Lake Orion, Oakland Writing Project TC, Sci Literacy Consultant. #miched @writingproject
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Yes! To what extent does AC make for a successful day of learning?! No AC here either. #miched
    In reply to @hickstro, @MsNiehaus
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Nice to see you Kit. Hope your year has been a good one. #miched
    In reply to @kithard
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    I know that routine! #miched
    In reply to @KellCusmano
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Welcome, Steve! Have you done the College-Ready WP? Oakland was one of the first sites I think in the initial grant? #miched
    In reply to @PhysicsGuyTighe, @writingproject
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Please join in our chat and share! #MichED
    In reply to @ColoGal_in_GA
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    It's still winter in Cadillac though! Lol! #miched
    In reply to @JanetNeyer, @hickstro, @MsNiehaus
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Life changing PD! Do it if you can! #miched https://t.co/Id60LotGYa
    In reply to @OaklandELA, @UMFlint
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    #miched Q1 is a two-parter. Here we go...
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Thanks for all your support, Rachelle! Looking forward to chatting. #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Q1: Since the introduction of the #CCSS we have been focused on teaching evidence-based, argument writing instead of persuasion… #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Q1, cont: What does this shift toward argument writing look like for you and your students? What is different? #miched
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    I love that @PhysicsGuyTighe is a science teacher and part of the writing project! Content literacy is so important. #MichED
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Hello #miched crew! Ryan, Flint, 6/7 social studies.
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Tonight's #miched questions require a little more than 140 characters. The Smore will be a helpful reference. https://t.co/DzxsMOlYDJ
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Evidence, rather than emotion #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    You'd think. But it hit 79 here today. Too hot for May! #miched
    In reply to @Jeremybballer, @hickstro, @MsNiehaus
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: For me there is more of a conscious effort to make sure it is taught and that my Ss understand the different genres of writing. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: Understanding multiple viewpoints becomes essential. You must know the opposition if wish to refute their claims. #miched
  • MsNiehaus May 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    This is so important! #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: A big shift for me in tchg argument has been in use of sources - responsibly and reasonably - to support claims. #miched
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  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Definitely, there has been a shift towards "using valid reasoning and relevant and sufficient evidence.” Do Ss adapt to this change? #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri
  • SoperWritings May 17 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    91 here in NJ...not a fan! #MichED
    In reply to @JanetNeyer, @Jeremybballer, @hickstro, @MsNiehaus
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Leading thru the evidence rather than hitting three points #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Definitely. We need to move beyond the five paragraph essay. #MichED
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    This is huge with middle school students! #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: Data, data, data.. Ss gather, compare, evaluate, explain #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Agreed! It's a more deliberate process than the old persuasive essay. Weigh evidence, revise claims, deal with solid counterclaims. #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1: huge change for me in science has been using Claim Evidence Resopnse writing vs just telling why! #miched
  • SoperWritings May 17 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    I've had success using debate as a way to get Ss to own their arguments & counterarguments https://t.co/ftjPR9Snfl #MichEd
    In reply to @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Wrapping up on Q1: Other thoughts about how teaching "argument" is different from teaching "persuasion?" #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Q2, coming up in just a moment... #MichED
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Yes, I've tried to shift toward talk as the first step toward building solid arguments. Engaging for students! #miched
    In reply to @SoperWritings, @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: persuasion is bringing people to the dark side. Where argument is just showing why it my be better. More emotion in the force! #miched
  • cybraryman1 May 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    My Argumentative Essay Writing - CCSS page https://t.co/BDSUetWC2s #miched Real challenge for students.
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Rick from oakland county btw #miched
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: arguments are based on facts vs persuasions are based on emotions #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Welcome, Rick! We are talking about the College-Ready WP so I hope you'll share your experiences. #miched
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick
  • SoperWritings May 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    It also makes it easier to get Ss to engage with arguments they don't necessarily hold as their own personal truths #MichEd
    In reply to @JanetNeyer, @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Q2, two-parter. Also, see the Smore if you need it: https://t.co/xHUZASo6ey #MichED
  • MEMSPAchat May 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Join #MEMSPAchat TOMORROW at 8pm! #FINISHStrong #LEADStrong will be the topic #miched #COLchat #tlap #edtherapy
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    #Miched yes, conversation builds connections; so important! .@JanetNeyer
    • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:12 PM EDT
      Yes, I've tried to shift toward talk as the first step toward building solid arguments. Engaging for students! #miched
      In reply to @SoperWritings, @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Q2: When you think about college-ready writing, what do you want your students to know and be able to do?... #MichED
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Q2, cont: Are there different skills that you would identify for students when you think about writing for career and community? #MichED
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Agreed. Love to ask them to argue the opposite side or imagine the dialogue between two opposing sides. #miched
    In reply to @SoperWritings, @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • techsavvyed May 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: Argumentative writing is the art of deconstructing a point. Persuasive writing is trying to convince someone you're right. #michED
  • SoperWritings May 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A2 - I want my Ss to be able to craft and defend academic arguments based on facts - regardless of personal beliefs #MichED
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    #MichED Yes. We engage in ideas rather than opinions when we talk together on issues
    • SoperWritings May 17 @ 8:13 PM EDT
      It also makes it easier to get Ss to engage with arguments they don't necessarily hold as their own personal truths #MichEd
      In reply to @JanetNeyer, @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A2: With middle school, I really have to guide my Ss to understand there are 2 sides and argument is about yelling and screaming! #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A2: For me, there are a number of aspects to college-ready writing. Here is a great resource: https://t.co/J9xIINEQW9 #MichED
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    That's it! I love this graphic from a while ago that details the diff. #miched https://t.co/x5WGh3y2C0
    In reply to @techsavvyed
  • MsNiehaus May 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Love that! #miched
    In reply to @techsavvyed
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A2: evaluate what they read IRL as either an argument or persuasion. Identify author's purpose. #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A2: The Framework for Success invite students to be curious, engaged, creative, persistent, flexible… All traits of great writers! #miched
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    From my Ss I get that they value knowing how to use evidence, see the other side. I tell 'em we do 2 things: inquiry Argument. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A2: I appreciate how academic writing supports strong career writing, but wonder if it sometimes becomes a barrier for some Ss? #miched
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    As another tweeter said-- debate! Both sides. Great strategy to develop critical thinking #MichEd
    • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:14 PM EDT
      Agreed. Love to ask them to argue the opposite side or imagine the dialogue between two opposing sides. #miched
      In reply to @SoperWritings, @hickstro, @grammasheri
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Good point. Could you elaborate. just a bit more? How does it become a barrier? For whom? In what ways? #miched
    • kithard May 17 @ 8:17 PM EDT
      A2: I appreciate how academic writing supports strong career writing, but wonder if it sometimes becomes a barrier for some Ss? #miched
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2: good writing comes from exposure to good reading! Expose Ss to appropriate text in the discipline. #miched
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2: I often wonder if we actually let our Ss explore argument or are we still teaching it to them. #miched
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    And Ms students need to know Facts win the arguments not put downs or being loudest! #miched
    In reply to @Jeremybballer
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: I think the Science Ts have pointed out that writing in Science requires a claim, evidence and then reasoning. #MichEd
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Q3 coming up soon #MichED
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    We talk about different forms that argument takes--email, oral, tweets--you name it. #miched
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I agree so many types and styles of writing in work places and focus on main style of academic ... turns some off #miched
    In reply to @kithard
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Heard at MSTA one district "argued" it should be taught as Reasoning, Evidence, Claim.... They made a good point! #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    And, after Q3, @JanetNeyer will be the primary moderator of the chat... Just so you know where questions are coming from! #MichED
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I love that this is actually an area where all four core subjects have a common language: claim, evidence, reasoning! #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A while back I remember being told there is no such thing as argumentative writing. Changed the ay I think. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    When academic writing lacks true authentic context and meaning, some Ss check. Career and comm. writing is "always" authentic. #miched
    In reply to @hickstro
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    This is something that I needed to do a better job of this year. Adding this to my list. #miched
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Q3: Knowing we need to shift Ss toward using evidence, what is challenging about this? Why is it dif. to use sources effectively? #MichED
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Funny how I always knew this but wasn't a focus in teaching till 2 years ago #Miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Exactly, I like your thinking. #miched
    In reply to @ColoGal_in_GA
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A3: sources disappearing from the internet? Oh, did I just go there? @POTUS #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Yes, I think the practice is beneficial to every subject. #miched
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick, @RMWynkoop
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Again, Q3: Knowing we need to shift Ss toward using evidence, what is challenging about this? Why is it hard to use sources? #miched
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A3: student struggle incorporating source info into own thoughts, just want to copy word for word from source #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A3: when I think about using different forms of evidence, I ask "what counts as evidence, for whom, and in what context?" #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    #miched For easy reference as we explore...
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: finding and matching evidence to our claims requires effort, discernment, and a bit of art too. #MichEd
  • massignmenthelp May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    #FLedchat #Gwinchat #LDCchat #miched #ncadmin #suptchat Top 5 Concerns Students Have While Writing Assignments https://t.co/QNgbrltUVn
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    I think you're talking about the moves within the writing. I find genre less and less useful or relevant. #miched
    In reply to @techsavvyed
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    career/community writing is covered when classroom writing involves authentic issues important to sts so they want to dig in evidenc #miched
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: Science text is multi-modal. Sometimes difficult to understand sci data in it's context. #miched
  • techsavvyed May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: It's difficult for students to use sources to build an argument because so many of the easy to find sources are misinformation #michED
  • blocht574 May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: students struggle to verify sources or use multiple #miched or even site sources ... it was on google ...
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A3: Ss actually told me they don't know what to believe anymore. It is only going to get more challenging for them #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    For easy reference, #miched https://t.co/klL3D8E2tZ
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Great insights on Q3. Thanks #miched It has always been tough to teach about evidence, even more so in the modern era.
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3 cont..There's an art to weaving evidence into our writing style and a technical aspect of citation that can also be challenging. #miched
  • GraceMCarpenter May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3: Ss view integrating evidence into their work as just listing facts rather than a springboard for supporting their original ideas #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Now that we have considered goals and challenges, we will chat about @writingproject’s College-Ready Writers Program… #miched
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3: I think the struggles are a good reason to start with a good text and have the analysis text based. Evidence is in the text. #MichEd
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    It's nice to see them change their minds when they truly examine evidence. That didn't happen often with persuasive essays. #miched
    In reply to @Jeremybballer
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    … which helps Ts in grades 6-12 teach evidenced-based argument writing and uses formative assessment to guide revision. #miched
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Switch the focus to audience then talk about the rhetorical choices/moves the writer makes to achieve their purpose. #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop, @JanetNeyer
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    The CRWP’s main components are routine argument writing, skills-based mini-units, extended research, and formative assessment. #miched
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Point to it in the text. If you can't is it your opinion? belief? #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Yes, and to watch their process for sorting it out is amazing to watch. #miched
    In reply to @JanetNeyer
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    We’ll reference the Program’s website as we chat: https://t.co/lMl0jTGDIQ. #miched
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    2/2 Audience drives conversation instead of genre. #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop, @JanetNeyer
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    It's challenging to get Ss to move beyond agreement with sources that seem to have an "ethos of credibility." #MichEd
    In reply to @hickstro, @michEDchat
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    So, let’s begin by taking time to look at some of the resources. Questions will “slow down” a bit here! #miched
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Researching valid, authentic evidence; being able to read data; takes time; those are difficulties #miched
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Yes! Text evidence is key to helping Ss evaluate information, claims, purpose and point of view. #MichED
    In reply to @PhysicsGuyTighe
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    And @JanetNeyer will be shifting into the role of the primary moderator for the second half of the chat. #miched
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A3: Getting Ss to double check their sources for validity. No matter how many time it's explained, it's still a struggle. #Miched
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Ts need to provide Ss w/ meaningful structures to develop critical relationships with texts. #MichEd
    In reply to @hickstro, @michEDchat
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Yes, writing for real audiences changes eveyrthing. We are in final unit and I showed them this last week. #miched https://t.co/GWVBISAQ4L
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick, @RMWynkoop
  • GraceMCarpenter May 17 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A3: Perhaps we need to start first teaching students how to discover quality evidence within the texts they read #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    I always appreciate the great resources that @hickstro shares when he's hosting #miched #getyourbookmarkingtoolhandy
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Yes, authentic purposes and authentic audiences. #miched
    In reply to @MrAustinA2, @hickstro, @michEDchat
  • AssignmentHelpN May 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    #FLedchat #innovateNJ #LDCchat #miched #ncadmin #edubkcl The Ultimate 60 Ways To Use an iPad in the Classroom https://t.co/Du9eR0vnt1
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Q3 good conversations about what counts as evidence and credibility and bias. No that there *is bias but how to use it. #miched
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Yes !! Great point #MichEd benefit is learning critical analysis and reflection on own biases
    • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:26 PM EDT
      It's nice to see them change their minds when they truly examine evidence. That didn't happen often with persuasive essays. #miched
      In reply to @Jeremybballer
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    I like this Rick. "Audience drives conversation instead of genre". #MichED
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick, @JanetNeyer
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    I find they need to identify audience before they can select best evidence. One of my take-aways from the CRWP -Ranking Evidence. #miched
    In reply to @RMWynkoop, @kreinbring_rick
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    And us. #MichEd
    • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:25 PM EDT
      A3: Ss actually told me they don't know what to believe anymore. It is only going to get more challenging for them #miched
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    True statement! #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    For Q4, we will take a look at Routine Argument. These lessons help students redefine argument & notice it daily. #miched
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    It's definitely a huge help if they see themselves involved in something that's not a box-checking exercise! #MichEd
    In reply to @JanetNeyer, @hickstro, @michEDchat
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Q4: Take a look at this warm-up activity from CRWP: https://t.co/pcfdR469NJ. #miched
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Ranking evidence... Why have I not thought of that? love it! #miched
    In reply to @JanetNeyer, @RMWynkoop, @kreinbring_rick
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Exactly why I've ditched rubrics. Kids see them as a "box checking" exercise. #miched
    • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:32 PM EDT
      It's definitely a huge help if they see themselves involved in something that's not a box-checking exercise! #MichEd
      In reply to @JanetNeyer, @hickstro, @michEDchat
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    One of my favorite lessons - You have to argue to your parents to raise your allowance. What's the best evidence? #miched
    In reply to @PhysicsGuyTighe, @RMWynkoop, @kreinbring_rick
  • Jeremybballer May 17 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Sorry gang, parenting duty calls! Thank you @JanetNeyer and @hickstro. Great stuff. The CR- writing has changed my MS Ss. #miched
  • KatieStuart10 May 17 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    #miched Yes, we need to teach the difference between sources which have passed an editorial board and sources from "a guy in a basement"
    In reply to @techsavvyed, @hickstro
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    How about arguing about importance of writing arguments? #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Q4: What sorts of arguments might your students notice pop up in their daily schedule? What about in your schedule? #miched
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Love this! Like a Peter Elbow QuickWrite; write what kids know about; so important for practice in flow of ideas #michED
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Rubrics can end up being checklists that reward compliance, working against the intellectual risk required for inquiry + argument. #MichED
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A4: One of the first arguments my students make from their daily schedule is about school start time being too early for HS. #miched
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4: just argued why my son's milkshake had to wait until 9:00 pm. #miched for the win!
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4: For both Ss and adults I can see an opportunity to write about whether we have a balance in our lives! #MichEd
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Yes, Peter Elbow's loop writing is a big component of the College-Ready WP! Has been transformational for my Ss. #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    If we want Ss to interrogate sources + mediate dialogues between them, rubrics maybe aren't the best way to structure the convo. #MichEd
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    This may be the most accurate assessment on the Internet. #miched
    • KatieStuart10 May 17 @ 8:34 PM EDT
      #miched Yes, we need to teach the difference between sources which have passed an editorial board and sources from "a guy in a basement"
      In reply to @techsavvyed, @hickstro
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: Another possible argument from the day: the role of technology and social media in teens' lives. #MichED
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Yes, this came up in mine when I noticed how often I deal with emails. To what extent does work life invade personal? : ) #miched
    In reply to @kithard
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A4: Ss have the potential to argue which times are best for certain subjects (i.e. Math in the morning vs. the afternoon, etc.) #miched
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Early discussion-What argument is made by the school desk, room, building. Read an onbject. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    The CRWP site offers many quick activities to shift thinking around argument. You’ll find them here: https://t.co/btnSnU9NcH. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Or if I should be doing the dishes right now instead of #miched. Evidence from my wife might be compelling ;-)
    In reply to @JanetNeyer
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Or you can find the strategies in a table format here: https://t.co/TC9cL58AxY. #miched
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Online Privacy--CRWP Mini Unit--it came up again and again. #miched
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Yet a checklist is a starting point for struggling writers-- a place to start for feedback, then personalize for that writer #MichEd
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    #miched https://t.co/CqTTunWV1h, https://t.co/OYBRsExYaZ
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    These kinds of tools that model the types of language and thought processes needed to do evidence-based writing are really helpful! #MichED
    In reply to @RMWynkoop, @kreinbring_rick
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4.2: In my schedule, I look at arguments into when "Reply All" emails are necessary...not that I've done that. #miched
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    True enough but then I have to ween them off the rubric. Spent a long time breaking them out of the tyranny of 5 paragraphs. #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri
  • KatieStuart10 May 17 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    #miched I used Stanford's curriculum on Evaluating Sources earlier this year--seemed to help.
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    The CRWP units use work of Joseph Harris's Rewriting and Graff & Birkenstein's They Say, I Say. My Ss have new ways to say things. #miched
    In reply to @MrAustinA2, @RMWynkoop, @kreinbring_rick
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A5: What I appreciate about the mini-units is that they truly scaffold the process of learning argument. Structured, yet flexible. #MichED
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Yes. They are a starting point because real writing is personal, fluid, with writer's style and voice; must ALWAYS emphasize that #MichED
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Q5: What shifts do you notice in this approach to teaching argument as opposed to traditional approaches? #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A5: Each mini-unit helps students – and teachers – think carefully and critically about the moves of argument. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A5: My favorite shift has been away from structure, as many of you have mentioned, and toward purpose, audience, situation. #miched
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Analytical thinking + writing are skills that require consistent practice. Giving Ss footholds up the mountain is essential. #MichEd
    In reply to @RMWynkoop, @kreinbring_rick
  • KathyjoWargin May 17 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    And digital proliferation of false statements can give an appearance of legitimacy due to repetition on sites, blogs. #miched
    • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      This may be the most accurate assessment on the Internet. #miched
      • KatieStuart10 May 17 @ 8:34 PM EDT
        #miched Yes, we need to teach the difference between sources which have passed an editorial board and sources from "a guy in a basement"
        In reply to @techsavvyed, @hickstro
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Spent quite a bit of time in those mini units. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A5: I notice that mini-unit I looked at included student writing samples. Think these examples would help students internalize task #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A5: Invites students to talk about why writers make the moves that they do. Understanding why to cite evidence, not just how. #miched
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A5: like the scaffolding of the mini units... don't go around in circles like many arguments... #miched
  • tengrrl May 17 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A5: I love how strategies shift when Ss move to video arguments. The visual aspect becomes critical in communicating. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    The mini-units are accompanied by high-interest text sets which you can view here: https://t.co/58xlRpeY2a #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    That's huge. I don't think most Ss and even adults see how citing evidence is part of a writer's style as well as form. #MichEd
    In reply to @hickstro
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A5 Getting Ss beyond their first reading is huge. I use a Seems X, Really Y tool to prompt Ss to find ideas obscured by the obvious. #MichEd
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A5: Also, the units put ideas in conversation with one another. Not simply a pro/con, either/or. Argument can be both/and. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Which, in turn, helps students to see themselves as real writers as well with something real to say. #miched
    In reply to @kithard, @hickstro
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Love: "participate in conversations that matter" "curate" "take reasonable stance" awesome #miched
  • RMWynkoop May 17 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    OMygosh, you made work due on a #MichED night? What were you thinking!
    In reply to @steinman, @MrsKBradford
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    The CRWP units complement the DBQ approach some schools use with strategies for working with texts from all subjects. #miched
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5: These mini lessons create more purpose for Ss to take part in the argumentative writing process. Makes it more real life. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    .#miched https://t.co/J1qASr9n6P
  • KaitPopielarz May 17 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #MichEd
  • PCCSedTech May 17 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #miched #mypccs #pccs #edtech Write Surge - A Minimalist Writing Platform https://t.co/ds4mtgnYLt
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    I'm looking forward to talking about the formative assessment piece! It's helped my Ss and I have a common lang about writing. #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Observation about the CRWP site. The district planning resources look well designed at first glance. Wondering about implementation #miched
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Helping Ss think through an author's reason for writing something assists them in thinking more closely about why they're writing. #MichED
    In reply to @JanetNeyer, @hickstro, @kithard
  • tengrrl May 17 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Can someone link me to the crwp site? #miched
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    So important. Sts learn to realize their writing can be expert writing for others with citations! #miched
    • hickstro May 17 @ 8:47 PM EDT
      A5: Invites students to talk about why writers make the moves that they do. Understanding why to cite evidence, not just how. #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A6: The Using Sources Tool is great for recognizing when, why, and how a writer is employing various kinds of evidence. #MichED
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Here you go :-) https://t.co/FNBU1ifnaU #MichEd
    In reply to @tengrrl
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Love adding "situation". Students have to identify conventions/expectaions of the situation and then adapt. Rework it for Tumblr. #miched
    • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:45 PM EDT
      A5: My favorite shift has been away from structure, as many of you have mentioned, and toward purpose, audience, situation. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Yes, my students just wrote arguments on fidget spinners using the Ranking Evidence unit. Most passionate writing of the year. : ) #miched
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • tengrrl May 17 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Thanks! #miched
    In reply to @kithard
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Q6: The UST includes a protocol for looking at student writing w other Ts. How might that impact your writing instruction? #miched
  • mrsdls May 17 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Wi-Fi Hotspots – Jackson District Library Amazing! #teamjxn #MichEd https://t.co/hRFLU3lEsZ
  • KellCusmano May 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    very true! #miched
    • kithard May 17 @ 8:48 PM EDT
      That's huge. I don't think most Ss and even adults see how citing evidence is part of a writer's style as well as form. #MichEd
      In reply to @hickstro
  • mjjohnson1216 May 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Would love to hear your response to this #BookCampPD slow chat question of the week. #ohedchat #miched #txed #principallife
  • KatieStuart10 May 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    #miched Thank you for this--very clear and helpful for a planning and norming
    In reply to @JanetNeyer
  • kreinbring_rick May 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    I can help out with that. We've been piloting/implementing for 2 years.#miched
    In reply to @kithard
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A6: Allows Ts to take in different perspectives into Ss writing, which may provide better feedback to the writer. #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Welcome, Traci! For those who don't know her work, check out Traci's book, Designing Writing Assignments: https://t.co/QHOWiPXklr #miched
  • kithard May 17 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Exactly. Need more time to understand how CRWP can fit into existing programming or if needed (replace). Always daunting. #MichEd
    In reply to @RMWynkoop, @hickstro, @JanetNeyer, @Jeremybballer
  • grammasheri May 17 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    balance of sharing samples sometimes, but not always so students develop own style; like to share sts current writing & discuss #miched
  • sarahyogidds May 17 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    So excited to share about our #teacherpowered school! #miched
  • tengrrl May 17 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Hi @hickstro Thanks for the mention. :) #miched
    In reply to @hickstro
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    The formative assessment tool is so helpful in implementation - guides Ss and Ts to next steps. #miched
    In reply to @kreinbring_rick, @kithard
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    So, I know that #miched is still talking about the Using Sources Tool, but I have a few other items to share before we close...
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Basically, some shameless self-promotion for @chippewariverwp and our teachers' work with College-Ready Writers! #miched
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    First @chippewariverwp posted a blog this week that offers an overview of CRWP: https://t.co/8yzqwcD86o. #MichED
  • PhysicsGuyTighe May 17 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    milkshake awaits. Thanks @hickstro & @JanetNeyer for sharing the great work of the CRWP! #miched @writingproject
  • MrAustinA2 May 17 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A6 I run a Writing Prize at my school + I recruit faculty judges from across disciplines. Great convos around authentic writing. #MichEd
  • Mr_Lisek May 17 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    If you can't shamelessly plug on Twitter, where can you? #MichED And check out my blog: https://t.co/UGYS8x9eas
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Also @chippewariverwp is hosting a 3-day open institute in June. If you are interested in learning more: https://t.co/D4P4r7syFK #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A6: Following protocols in looking at student writing has resulted in great conversations. I've learned how to better teach writing. #miched
  • KatieStuart10 May 17 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    I agree--sometimes they think it is only to avoid plagiarism--but it is borrowing the authority of experts #miched
    In reply to @grammasheri, @hickstro
  • KellCusmano May 17 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Thank you for the chat #miched! Looking forward to diving into resources!
  • KathyjoWargin May 17 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Very good shift as it helps ss find individual voice. Too much structure can work against traits that ignite & reveal creativity. #miched
    • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:45 PM EDT
      A5: My favorite shift has been away from structure, as many of you have mentioned, and toward purpose, audience, situation. #miched
  • JanetNeyer May 17 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    The moves from Harris's books have been great for this - teaching Ss to illustrate, authorize, counter w text. #miched
    In reply to @KatieStuart10, @grammasheri, @hickstro
  • mrterborg May 17 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    There's always TedX, or , as well as voxer, or .... #MichED (Mike, MI-Expat)
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • hickstro May 17 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Thanks again to @JanetNeyer for co-hosting #miched tonight! Appreciate her work to help @chippewariverwp teachers with argument writing.