#BadgeChatK12 Archive
#BadgeChatK12 was founded in December, 2014 by a group of educators who are passionate about credentialing learning and achieving. While there are thousands of us around the globe issuing badges to learners, there was not yet a regular twitter chat for those of us in the K-12 space to gather for learning and sharing about badging. After reaching out to leaders in the field (like the good folks at Mozilla and The Badge Alliance) for their thoughts, #BadgeChatK12 was born.
Monday September 12, 2016
Join us NOW for We are talking about intrinsic/extrinsic motivation in badging šš½š Lurkers welcomed!
Let's start by introducing ourselves what do you teach? Where are you from? How do you use badges?
Hi! I'm Shelly. I teach college language learners in San Antonio. I've used badges for my online conferences & prof dev
Doug from Oceanside, CA. I am an assistant high school principal and I use BadgesOS.
More from ShellTerrell: Join us NOW for We are talking about intrinsic/extrinsic motivation in badging šš½š Lurkers welcomed!
More from ShellTerrell: Let's start by introducing ourselves what do you teach? Where are you from? How do you use badges?
More from ShellTerrell: RT SenorG: for the next 30 min my tweets will be dedicated to so buckle up!
Don from Canada, host of , a Canadian badging service based on and from Finland
welcome doug! excited to learn more about your uses, don't know a lot about it...
I'm Rich and I work with K12 edtech pd for educators
Let's start with Q1: What does intrinsically motivated Badge earning look like?
Hi : Matt, Curric Coord fr/ in central Maine. Working on a badging system for Ss meeting proficiency diploma reqs.
Yikes, not good! Hopes for a quick recovery.
Welcome! Hope we can be a great resource for you! Looking fwd to learning more about your system!
A1) Anything intrinsically motivated is going to be autonomous, learned-centered, and relevant.
A1) I struggle with this one...when we see it, sometimes wonder if they even care about the Badges
A1: I think it depends on what we badge. I like when we recognize good deeds and many can receive vs limiting how many can
Way to go! Love to hear more about that
More from ShellTerrell: Let's start with Q1: What does intrinsically motivated Badge earning look like?
More from ShellTerrell: RT RichEdTech: I'm Rich and I work with K12 edtech pd for educators
More from ShellTerrell: RT DrewetteCard: Hi : Matt, Curric Coord fr/ AOS94ME in central Maine. Working on a badging system forā¦
A1) In other words, I wonder if those intrinsically motivated to earn Badges are actually motivated by Badges
great idea to list characteristics!
have someone interested in getting their Badges listed, more discoverable. Need to connect you
A1: Badge would be understood by earners as well as someone who wasn't involved with the learning. Great to see everyone!
IMO:A badge is just an end recognition of learning; what motivates ppl more is the process/environ than the end result
good point. When I've started recognizing creativity or citizenship, etc these are students who would've done this
A1: Intrinsic motivation with badges means connecting them to learning evidence! Share your learning in a portfolio!
A1: Intrinsic motivation is probably not associated with badge attainment because showing the badge is so public. 1/2
Iām here and happy to help anyone that was to have their badges indexed :)
A1 Intrinsic motivation = embedded in the activity, so intrinsic badges should be part of the activity: progress, etc.
what a great point especially if it's carried through life!
Like āgrades.ā Ss who care about good grades areā¦ those who get good grades. Itās whatās behind that matters.
Q2 coming up but some really great thoughts for question 1
Dig your definitions...also wonder if autonomy must be present to see intrinsic motivation...esp w young ss
Q2: What does extrinsically motivated Badge earning look like?
See the work by et al on this. Autonomy + Mastery + Purpose = Motivation.
More from ShellTerrell: RT badgediscovery: Anh from OC, Calif, lurking on . I made badge toolsā¦ https://t.co/b1pAZpt51H
More from ShellTerrell: DrewetteCard great idea to list characteristics!
This is a great point! That connection piece can help the intrinsically motivated see "why" to care https://t.co/bFQTAGCbLz
A1: Intrinsic motivation with badges means connecting them to learning evidence! Share your learning in a portfolio!
More from ShellTerrell: RichEdTech what a great point especially if it's carried through life!
More from ShellTerrell: RT Benjaroome: A1: Intrinsic motivation with badges means connecting them to learning evidence! Shareā¦
More from ShellTerrell: Q2 coming up but some really great thoughts for question 1
More from ShellTerrell: Q2: What does extrinsically motivated Badge earning look like?
A2: I think when we limit badges that brings in competition and is more competitive
A1 For me, badges are about recognition. Intrinsic recognition would be recognition for the learner vs others
Fascinating! Are you suggesting a market-based approach...restrict supply to increase demand?
That said, many badge earners earn the badges because the skills they gain.They might not display. 1/2
A2) Not sure. Extrinsic motivators are so tricky and difficult and individualized and unique and impermanent.
I mean if u do this which my students decided when they made badges that's extrinsic. i don't limit but Ss like that
love it. This strikes me as good connection to 's point about evidence...
Evidence is the key to any badge, grade, or achievement level.
A2) In , extrinsic motivation is employers endorse Badges, offer earners opportunities like job shadows
A2: Are you talking about limiting how many people can earn a badge in a class? That seems counter-intuitive to badges.
Interesting Q Probably not quite as clear cut as that, but I do think devalues badges
Q3 coming up! Atill time to add your thoughts about intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation! Don't forget the hashtag šš½
More from ShellTerrell: A2: I think when we limit badges that brings in competition and is more competitive
More from ShellTerrell: SenorG I mean if u do this which my students decided when they made badges that's extrinsic. i don't ā¦
More from ShellTerrell: RT DrewetteCard: SenorG Benjaroome Evidence is the key to any badge, grade, or achievement level.
The idea hadn't occurred to me. Guessing it can foster sense of urgency. Begs consideration 4 learners w iep/504
A2: I've seen how some systems connect badges to rewards like free ice cream, coupons, etc at local businesses
A2: I often think leaderboards are the most extrinsic, then its about competition and "how many" not "how good"
I've seen this approach but I've never done it and I think that would be an example of extrinsic
Hey
looking at moving our weekly time a bit later. Thoughts? Please RT/share w other Badge Chatters https://t.co/qipkSA9Uis
A2 extrinsic = a spectrum of external reward: stickers thru leaderboards, "badges for pizza", to recognition for advancement
Q3 What should we include in a Badge's criteria to support intrinsic motivation?
A2) To what extent do extrinsic motivators work for deep learning vs. momentary achievement?
that's a great point. I don't use leaderboards but in gamification that's common
This sounds more like an award instead of a badge. I think the badge goes to those who show skill mastery.
Hey
looking at moving our weekly time a bit later. Thoughts? Please RT/share w other Badge Chatters
Sorry about that! using 3 diff twitter clients, my poll and my pic got crossed:)
is that a segue to Alfie Kohn's "Punished by Rewards"?
A3) Rigorous (defined: complexity + autonomy) performance standards; scales; supporting research; evidence examples;
More from ShellTerrell: Q3 What should we include in a Badge's criteria to support intrinsic motivation?
More from ShellTerrell: Benjaroome that's a great point. I don't use leaderboards but in gamification that's common
More from ShellTerrell: RT SenorG: Hey
looking at moving our weekly time a bit later. Thoughts? Please RT/share w other Badgeā¦
A3: in designing for any Badge motivation, I think it's important to ask "Why will users care?"
Dunno. Itās a call for our environments to focus more on deep learning which takes longer & requires failure.
Hi just joining - interested in learning more about I work w k-12 edus in SF bay area as a tech coach
I agree, did an experiment where learners designed their own. It's interesting they set a limit on how many
Great point here. Are badges built/designed w/ user-input & empathy? https://t.co/VAPhQ8vYOR
A3: in designing for any Badge motivation, I think it's important to ask "Why will users care?"
A3: Creating a portfolio of work to earn badges that shows a complete project is the most important thing
A3 I don't think all extrinsic motivation is bad. For example, people want to be recognized for what they know and can do
If you have a chance please dig into that! So curious to learn about their thinking
I use a leader board with my Ts. It appeals to the extrinsic learners our systems tend to honor.
Those extrinsic motivators are good for short-term achievement & rewards, not long-term, deep learning.
I agree! Portfolios make sure students can showcase and be proud of their learning journey
I agree! Portfolios make sure students can showcase and be proud of their learning journey
Did they create an entire system or just what badges they could earn?
I agree! If a Salesforce developer earns Trailhead Badges bc an employer wants them, it's a good extrinsic factor
Yes, are you badging WITH, or badging TO, as likes to say
Sure. There's definitely a place for extrinsic motivation, just shouldn't be the whole story
Thanks ! Gotta run put the kiddos to bed. Cheers!
just what they could achieve but some where gamers and I think they based on some games they played
I'd push back and say that's true in some but not all cases.
extrinsic motivation is why Iām here instead of spending life as a beach bum :) need food and shelter https://t.co/YGZEyuTzzu
A3 I don't think all extrinsic motivation is bad. For example, people want to be recognized for what they know and can do
More from ShellTerrell: RT donpresant: DrewetteCard is that a segue to Alfie Kohn's "Punished by Rewards"?
thank you for your great insights!
More from ShellTerrell: RT sandramc59: Hi just joining - interested in learning more about I work w k-12 edus in SF bay area ā¦
More from ShellTerrell: Benjaroome I agree! Portfolios make sure students can showcase and be proud of their learning journeyā¦
Hmm, what are "those"? All the ones I listed?
I agree Don. I was reminded by that everybody needs an entry point so they can achieve w/out comp.
a candy bar reward is short-term; a job/career door opened thx to Badge could be good 4 deep lrning
Before we go Q4 What takeaways do you have from this week's chat?
A4 haha since i just joined my takeaway is to read the archive of this chat and schedule myself into the next
Thanks so much for joining and sharing your thoughts!
A4: thank you for the different ideas about intrinsic motivation & insistence of evidence and portfolios
A4: thank you for the different ideas about intrinsic motivation & insistence of evidence and portfolios
A4 I love the idea of a portfolio to show their badges and how they earned them!
that's where I get tripped up even understanding intrinsic motivation...always seems like ultimately extrinsic
That makes sense. Gamification crowd sees the competition drives achievement. We need all Ss to learn.
Agreed! We nee to give as much as we can to all learners.
Please do and feel free to suggest topics! Also, see the poll about moving it back a few minutes
that's so important and one of the best things I've done with learners
A4: we are seeing more and more approaches where focus is on credentials not gamification
a4) there are some seriously smart people thinking about this and they are passionate about kids!
A4. We aren't alone. We are investigating the use of badges to support our learners. I'll be adding you all to my tribe!
More from ShellTerrell: DrewetteCard thank you for your great insights!
More from ShellTerrell: Before we go Q4 What takeaways do you have from this week's chat?
More from ShellTerrell: A4: thank you for the different ideas about intrinsic motivation & insistence of evidence and portfolā¦
More from ShellTerrell: RT badgediscovery: extrinsic motivation is why Iām here instead of spending ā¦ https://t.co/bsqtzXWnkJ
A3 I don't think all extrinsic motivation is bad. For example, people want to be recognized for what they know and can do
More from ShellTerrell: RT sandramc59: A4 I love the idea of a portfolio to show their badges and how they earned them!
More from ShellTerrell: sandramc59 that's so important and one of the best things I've done with learners
More from ShellTerrell: RT OUSDAssessment: Benjaroome ShellTerrell Agreed! We nee to give as much as we can to all learners.
intrinsic motivator, to "human" and explore the unknown through unforgiven seas. What is "unknown" to badge earners?
We all hope has a quick and great recovery
A4 Thinking that intrinsic/extrinsic isn't totally binary, more of a spectrum. This has been a great chance to think about it
Love this! Gamification is an entry point to changing the learning environment toward engagement but badges go deeper
I agree! I've decided mitre in badging vs Gamifying my curriculum and I feel it works best for me
there is absolutely potential 4 deep lrng. What's impt is what's behind the badge, not the badge itself.
More from ShellTerrell: Thank you to all who joined today & all who lurked. Find resources at https://t.co/SvqlLM6Rhb
More from ShellTerrell: We all hope SenorG has a quick and great recovery
More from ShellTerrell: RT SenorG: A4: we are seeing more and more approaches where focus is on credentials not gamification
A1 badges in my sport Sociology and history course are theme-based and give more points in a gamified class. Incentizes.
A1 the "Olympian" badge requires the student to complete 4 assignments on the Olympic games.
