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CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:00 PM EDT

Welcome to this week's #IOLchat :) Who's joining in today? https://t.co/kGGSeMZ5AD

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:01 PM EDT

Hello from Colin Easom with Pima Medical Institute Online #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:01 PM EDT

@ceasom Hi, Colin! Hope your week is going well. :) Thanks for joining in. #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:02 PM EDT

This is Jane from St. Louis. This is my first chat. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:03 PM EDT

@redbirdluv Welcome, Jane! We are a small, but inspired group. Thanks for joining. :) #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:05 PM EDT

Our summer chat format continues ... one key question to explore ... this week's topic is coming up... #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:06 PM EDT

Q) What can online students do to avoid plagiarizing? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:08 PM EDT

Are there any tools you recommend? Tips for writing assignments and citations? #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:08 PM EDT

Most schools offer some kind of plagiarism checking tools, like TurnItIn or Safe Assign. We use SafeAssign within Blackboard #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:10 PM EDT

@ceasom Are these tools that students can use before they submit? to check their own work? I've used Turnitin on the faculty side. #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:10 PM EDT

I just had 2 cases of plagiarism this last week; seems the defense is always, "I didn't realize cut and paste was plagiarizing!" #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:11 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Yes, both SafeAssign and TurnItIn can be used prior to a final submission for students to check their own work. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:11 PM EDT

@ceasom No kidding! So ... awareness is definitely an issue. Yikes. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:12 PM EDT

I think cheating and plagiarism topics are often part of student orientations, but may get lost in a sea of info during that time. #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Sad thing is, we just covered how not to plagiarize in my class the week before those two students did! *sigh* #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:14 PM EDT

Hello... Just broke for lunch :-) #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:14 PM EDT

@ceasom :( :( :( #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:14 PM EDT

Jennifer!!!! @jshamsy #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:14 PM EDT

@jshamsy Hi Jennifer! Welcome to the chat. :) Thanks for joining us on your lunch break - how is the training? #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:15 PM EDT

I think digital literacy which is connected to plagiarism is an exploding area - many don't understand plagiarism #iolchat

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jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:15 PM EDT

@ceasom this is a rare moment... All three in attendance!! 😊👍🏻 @CenterOnlineEd #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:16 PM EDT

My students (7th graders) didn't realize that copying someones homework is plagiarism!!! #oilchat #IOLchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:16 PM EDT

Just wondering why not happening in high school? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:17 PM EDT

@redbirdluv Interesting! The concept of plagiarism really does cover a lot of possibilities. #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:17 PM EDT

@redbirdluv live in such as digital world where it is cool to borrow, reuse, mashup... Academic world is different #IOLchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:18 PM EDT

Do kids understand copyright? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@jshamsy Great point - I'm not seeing as much about "digital literacy" as I used to. Are we getting complacent? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:18 PM EDT

Thoughts? RT @redbirdluv Do kids understand copyright? #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@jshamsy makes a good point - we're encouraged to share and re-post "as is" in the social media world. It's different in academia #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:19 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd maybe or just kind of tired of the fight? #IOLchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:20 PM EDT

Off topic but it seems as though writing is becoming a lost art in undergrad .. Plagiarism is just one part of it I think #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:20 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @jshamsy Maybe as assume digital literacy has been achieved by the masses? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:20 PM EDT

@jshamsy quite possible ... it's one of those things we have to keep emphasizing, over and over and over... #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:21 PM EDT

@jshamsy Agreed! Looking at the final papers I just graded, the art of writing in a coherent way has fallen by the wayside #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:22 PM EDT

@jshamsy Not off topic at all. It's all part of being a skilled writer, I think. Even online writing requires attribution. #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:23 PM EDT

@ceasom yes... Agreed!! It is really hard to get anyone to write coherently on a topic... Back to basics battle cry perhaps? #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:23 PM EDT

@ceasom @jshamsy I think this is part of it, too. we think everyone must understand it by now, must be online and savvy. #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:24 PM EDT

@jshamsy Some goes back to grade school. I certainly see regional variations in writing styles; east coast versus south west etc. #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:24 PM EDT

There is so much information published on the internet. In some regards, it is tough to come up with original ideas anymore. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:25 PM EDT

@ceasom @jshamsy Really? Regional differences? That would be interesting to track, if someone's not already tracking. #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:25 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @ceasom Yes I think an assumption that might not be a correct anymore #IOLchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:25 PM EDT

@redbirdluv agreed - I think we are seeing this on a national front right now ... But it isn't hard to cite #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@redbirdluv Agreed. This is the crux of a lot of web-writing especially - what can we do and in a way that hasn't been done before? #iolchat

ClaudiaV579 Jul 20 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@redbirdluv agreed #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@ceasom that is interesting.. Obviously domain specific and previous educational exp. #IOLchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@jshamsy @redbirdluv Agreed; it's less about finding original ideas than it is about giving credit where due #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@jshamsy @redbirdluv Exactly! Back to basics. Share your sources - we all have them, it's not a bad thing. #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@jshamsy So true! We need to focus on teaching citing instead of telling them not to plagiarize. #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@ClaudiaV579 @redbirdluv Welcome, Claudia! #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@redbirdluv <---great idea here! Change the focus #IOLchat

ClaudiaV579 Jul 20 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@redbirdluv @jshamsy yes, they should be encouraged to use what's available out there #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@redbirdluv @jshamsy Students get confused with citation styles.; I've even had to correct faculty! #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Plagiarism? Ss can avail themselves of originality checks w Turnitin or Grammarily #IOLchat

ClaudiaV579 Jul 20 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @redbirdluv thank u! This is my first time in a chat. 😊 I hope I don't mess it up too bad #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:29 PM EDT

Nice! A shift from "Don't do this" to "DO this." Makes a lot of sense. Practical application, create good habits early. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@ClaudiaV579 @redbirdluv You're doing great! ;) #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:30 PM EDT

@ceasom @redbirdluv I have really had to lower my bar on that and go with the "major" boxes checked approach on format #IOLchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:30 PM EDT

We actually skipped requiring any particular citation style and focused more on writing mechanics and giving credit #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:31 PM EDT

Mistaken guidance may convince some Ss that copying is appropriate or the "right answer" #IOLchat https://t.co/WsHBT2PWyT

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:16 PM EDT

My students (7th graders) didn't realize that copying someones homework is plagiarism!!! #oilchat #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:31 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Yes! I'm a fan of Grammarly - lots of great uses, including plagiarism checks. #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:31 PM EDT

I love the idea of the Do's! I could create a poster/document of Do's instead of Don'ts to share with my students. #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:32 PM EDT

@ceasom I think that is wise -- baby steps. I try to push the purpose rooted in standardization/procedure ...But still a struggle #IOLchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:32 PM EDT

@ClaudiaV579 @CenterOnlineEd @redbirdluv Join the fun. To mess-up is not to try #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:33 PM EDT

@ceasom @jshamsy - I can see where this would be an appropriate alternative on several levels #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:33 PM EDT

:) RT @philosophypaul @ClaudiaV579 @CenterOnlineEd @redbirdluv Join the fun. To mess-up is not to try #IOLchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:34 PM EDT

When developing "Do's" focus on process to move from wrong to right or appropriate citation. #IOLchat https://t.co/NRmlWP2Gz1

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:31 PM EDT

I love the idea of the Do's! I could create a poster/document of Do's instead of Don'ts to share with my students. #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:34 PM EDT

We post this is most of our courses.... #iolchat https://t.co/RjdjJRW2yd

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:35 PM EDT

We need some consistency though - I tend to focus more on content than format, while other fac. in the program are format focused #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd We have the same issue - one reason we ditched citation styles to focus more on content that format #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@ceasom Giving credit can precede correct form, when overcoming plagiarism is the objective #IOLchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd great point.. So either side you are a lone solider ... Everyone needs to be on same page #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM EDT

Helpful! "When to cite" basics. RT @ceasom We post this is most of our courses.... #iolchat https://t.co/kn1mKtwBlt

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM EDT

@ceasom @CenterOnlineEd but you can have both ... Which is sad it has to be such a choice of between one or other #IOLchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM EDT

@philosophypaul And that's what we do - we require credit to be given, we just don't dictate the format #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM EDT

Yep - students have noted the inconsistency in evals. "Why are some so strict and others aren't...?" #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:38 PM EDT

I really love the poster! @ceasom #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:41 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Question: Do Ss see through inconsistency to the root -- proper citation or credit? Not strict = careless? #IOLchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:42 PM EDT

yes. to many possible formats that are too complicated for younger students. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:42 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Great question. Not sure. I think they are focused on whether or not they need to take "extra" step w/formating. #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:42 PM EDT

@philosophypaul We we saw the inconsistency more with formatting - comma in the wrong place, wrong segment italicized - than citing #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:43 PM EDT

@philosophypaul I haven't seen a lot of problems with not citing sources, they just don't want to have to use a manua; #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:44 PM EDT

@redbirdluv Do your students use a particular writing style guide? Or something more basic? #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:44 PM EDT

Yes, but that gives rise to the caution: extra can be the difference between credit and plagiarism. #iolchat https://t.co/wxTkxbmkpG

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:42 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Great question. Not sure. I think they are focused on whether or not they need to take "extra" step w/formating. #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:44 PM EDT

I just wrote a research paper and found a site that makes the citation for you when you plug in the required info. #iolchat #SBUedu5213

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:45 PM EDT

@philosophypaul True enough! It's a good habit to get into - there's something valuable in the process, I think, beyond formatting #iolchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:45 PM EDT

@redbirdluv it is SO easy ... Really no excuse #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:46 PM EDT

#SBUedu5213 #IOLchat https://t.co/PO6hFsVURT

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:37 PM EDT

Helpful! "When to cite" basics. RT @ceasom We post this is most of our courses.... #iolchat https://t.co/kn1mKtwBlt

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@redbirdluv There are some very helpful citation management tools out there! #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:47 PM EDT

@ClaudiaV579 @CenterOnlineEd I'm right there with you! #IOLchat

jshamsy Jul 20 @ 12:47 PM EDT

School bell rings .. Thanks for the study break:-). Have a good Wednesday! #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@jshamsy Great to see you! :) Take care. #iolchat

ClaudiaV579 Jul 20 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@jshamsy have a good day! #iolchat

redbirdluv Jul 20 @ 12:48 PM EDT

Dirty diaper calls..... Thanks everyone. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:49 PM EDT

@redbirdluv @ClaudiaV579 So nice to meet you both! Hope to see you here again soon. :) #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:49 PM EDT

Consider introducing these tools along with the assignment(s) to help Ss prepare to put best foot forward #IOLchat https://t.co/U1tvSe10Xj

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@redbirdluv There are some very helpful citation management tools out there! #iolchat

ClaudiaV579 Jul 20 @ 12:49 PM EDT

@redbirdluv @CenterOnlineEd perhaps emphasizing the importance to the children and showing them how to use those tools will help #iolchat

ClaudiaV579 Jul 20 @ 12:50 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @redbirdluv thank u!!! I'll b bk #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:50 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Do you think that those most likely to plagiarize are those less likely to check? #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:52 PM EDT

@ceasom Reply: most likely variable, but have often observed it is the S who hurries and has not learned. Bad form can be habitual #IOLchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:53 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Time crunch and lack or working ahead is definitely a factor in cases I see #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:53 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @ceasom Relevant point here - time. Online students seem rushed, hurried, overloaded in the best circumstances. #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:54 PM EDT

@ceasom @philosophypaul And then there's procrastination. ;) #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:55 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @philosophypaul LOL There's ALWAYS procrastination where the due date equals the do date ;) #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:55 PM EDT

@ceasom @philosophypaul Well said! :) #iolchat

philosophypaul Jul 20 @ 12:56 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @ceasom Note that during recommending re-do's Ss seem to be very busy. Time to do it right seems a premium #IOLchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:56 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd Perhaps many don't factor re-do time into their schedule? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:57 PM EDT

@ceasom @philosophypaul This always seems like a delay tactic that just ends up creating more hours of work in the end. #iolchat

ceasom Jul 20 @ 12:58 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @philosophypaul And the delay causes less quality of work too *sigh* #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Jul 20 @ 12:59 PM EDT

@ceasom @philosophypaul It's a vicious cycle. #sameasiteverwas #iolchat