#ditchbook Archive

#DITCHbook was created by Ditch That Textbook author Matt Miller. The chat focuses on innovative teaching ideas and disrupting standard textbook education.

Thursday April 5, 2018
10:00 PM EDT

  • KimSnodgrass Apr 5 @ 10:00 PM EDT
    ✨Hmmmm...what to reflect on next? 😊✨ #MasteryChat #TLAP #DitchBook #BookSnaps #Sketchnotes #EduGIFs
    In reply to @jeffgargas, @jmattmiller, @thegridmethod, @burgessdave, @TaraMartinEDU, @HeckAwesome, @teresagross625, @woodard_julie, @sylviaduckworth, @mospillman
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:00 PM EDT
    Dan business teacher from St. Louis. Hoping to stay awake for the #ditchbook and #moedchat tonight. as well as the remainder of the @cardinals game
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:02 PM EDT
    Good evening #DitchBook friends! Looking forward to an interesting conversation tonight. Please check in ... would love to say hi!
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:02 PM EDT
    Thanks Elizabeth! Really, I think that's what it comes down to. Thanks for sharing it. :) #DitchBook
    In reply to @Wells_edu, @DitchThatTxtbk, @KarlyMoura, @SEANJFAHEY, @TaraMartinEDU, @craigklement, @burgessdave, @TTmomTT, @rlfreedm, @emosier3
  • JohnReadLibrary Apr 5 @ 10:02 PM EDT
    Maria from CT. I’m a middle school LMS #DitchBook
  • timlriley Apr 5 @ 10:02 PM EDT
    Hello everyone #Ditchbook
  • _Katehodges Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Kate from Ohio here! #ditchbook
  • emosier3 Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Hey, #ditchbook!!! Evan Mosier, Tech Integrationist Lead Teacher here from Davenport, Iowa. This should be a great chat this evening!
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Hey all! Krista from SE Michigan - tweeting from Ohio tonight on Spring Break! 5th grade teacher #ditchbook
  • CainTeacherTech Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Caitlin, Digital Learning Specialist in @KleinISD (Houston.) Excited to discuss this copy/paste issue with smart people! #ditchbook
  • pcmrsg Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Christi - Teacher from WV #Ditchbook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Good evening @jmattmiller and the awesome #DitchBook crew! Happy Thursday!
  • ToriJustin713 Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Tori from IN. 5th grade ELA teacher. #ditchbook
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Rayna from MA! #ditchbook 5th grade teacher! @masscue pres elect
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:03 PM EDT
    Hey #DitchBook ... Matt here, #DitchBook author, blogger, speaker, creator of teachery things ... Interested in tonight's chat topic!
  • ImposterTeacher Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    #ditchbook Matthew Barbercheck, Spanish/CAD/industrial arts teacher, Republic, Michigan
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Elizabeth, math and science 4th grade st. Charles IL #Ditchbook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Looking forward to tonight’s chat!! #DitchBook
  • ms_shmiller Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Shannon Miller, grade 6-12 ELA and history teacher, Republic MI #DitchBook
  • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Hey #ditchpeeps! Derrick from TN and I think this is a very interesting topic tonight. Looking forward to hearing what everyone has to say. #DitchBook
  • robinrenee Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Robin from Central Texas. I am an Instructional Technology Specialist looking forward to chatting tonight! #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Hey Tori! Doing double duty after #inelearn? Good to have a fellow Hoosier in #DitchBook!
    In reply to @ToriJustin713
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Hey, Laura!! #ditchbook
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura, @jmattmiller
  • mrspmathworld Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Hi! I am Courtney in Manila, Philippines. It is 10am over here so I will be in and out during my break! #ditchbook
  • RitnerMeredith Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Hello @jmattmiller and #ditchbook friends. Meredith Ritner--EdTech TOSA newbie after 28 years teaching middle school ELA
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Chad here from Cincy/NKY. I'm a HS math/CS teacher. #DitchBook
  • Miss_Lievens Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Hey #DitchBook Happy Thursday! Abbi here, K-6 Reading Interventionist from Davenport, Ia
  • effortfuleduktr Apr 5 @ 10:04 PM EDT
    Blake Harvard, AP Psych teacher and blogger, Alabama https://t.co/EJp11sZu1q #ditchbook
  • CaitlinCloyd Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    Caitlin, Digital Learning Specialist in @KleinISD (Houston.) Excited to discuss this copy/paste issue with smart people! #ditchbook
  • emosier3 Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    Wooohooo!!! Abbi is here for #DitchBook tonight!!!
    In reply to @Miss_Lievens
  • ToriJustin713 Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    Yep! Excited to be here!! #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • MrWawczak Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    Good evening everyone. John, Elementary School Principal joining in from suburban Chicago #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    #DitchBook :)
    In reply to @zonie71, @jmattmiller
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    5th grade teachers are representing tonight! @rlfreedm #ditchbook
    In reply to @ToriJustin713, @rlfreedm
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    Hey Hey Krista! #DitchBook
    In reply to @zonie71
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:05 PM EDT
    Q1 is coming ... #DitchBook
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    Yes we are. I just got home from work so we will see how long I make it but had to be here tonight for this one #ditchbook
    In reply to @zonie71, @ToriJustin713
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
  • timlriley Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    Hi Laura #ditchbook
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura, @zonie71, @jmattmiller
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    What up ditchers???? JHow in the house - tech coach in Missouri. #ditchbook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    Craig, RTI Facilitator from Texas. Howdy y’all #DitchBook
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    Hey #DitchBook! James from SC, HS Math T & aspiring admin joining tonight double dipping with #EduAR.
  • KCantrell31 Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    Krista - 1st grade, Missouri #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    OMtotheG! It's JOSH! #DitchBook #MORepresenting
    In reply to @joshchoward
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:06 PM EDT
    Tonight's #DitchBook topic: A REAL talk about cheating ... the copy/paste cheating variety and others. We're always better when we share our thoughts on ideas like this!
  • principalboots Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Lindsy here! 3-5 principal from northern Illinois, where the calendar reads April...but Mother Nature is disagreeing #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Q1: What motivates students to cheat? Why do they do it? #DitchBook
  • uhohmeagan Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    "Hey!" Checking in from NWI - high school dual credit English teacher @jmattmiller #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller, @jmattmiller
  • SenorSouderSHS Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Micah Souder, Spanish teacher, ditching from Salem, IN! #DitchBook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Hey Josh #DitchBook
    In reply to @joshchoward
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    YESSSS! Love this GIF! :) #DitchBook
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    A1: S motivation to cheat is often b/c the focus is on the GRADE at the end of the semester/year–not on the LEARNING. As Ts, we must remember that we do what we do b/c we value LEARNING. I've yet to find a T that got into education b/c they love to GRADE. #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Hey, Tim! #DitchBook
    In reply to @timlriley, @zonie71, @jmattmiller
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Josh! Good to see you, sir! #DitchBook
    In reply to @joshchoward
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    LAURA, what up my homie!! #ditchbook
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura
  • KimSnodgrass Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    ✨Thanks, Monica! I’m totally a visual learner! #Sketchnotes, #BookSnaps, and #EduGIFs are my jam!✨ #MasteryChat #TLAP #BookSnaps #Sketchnotes #EduGIFs #DitchBook
    In reply to @mospillman, @thegridmethod, @jeffgargas, @burgessdave, @jmattmiller, @TaraMartinEDU, @HeckAwesome, @teresagross625, @woodard_julie, @sylviaduckworth
  • AnnieStewArt708 Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Annie StewArt from Kansas, I teach hs, kids have 9+ yrs being compliant. There's so much pressure to to be right, to get the grade. They aren't as interested in learning #DitchBook
  • PaulineIsaachs1 Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Hi, I'm Pauline, a student from Auckland, NZ. Glad to be here again. #ditchbook
    In reply to @CaitlinCloyd, @KleinISD
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    A1. It makes it easy and they can move on to the next thing. Some do not have the confidence that their own skills are good enough so this will make the teacher think they are smart. .. I tell my Ss the truth always comes out and I Google everything #ditchbook
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Likewise, friend! #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • thurndotte Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Hi y’all! Checking in from East Texas! #DitchBook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:07 PM EDT
    Hey #ditchbook! Louie from Lancaster, PA. Middle School Social Studies Teacher. Excited to learn with and from you all.
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1: Tech has given students different ways to cheat, but it isn't evil. Cheating isn't a tech problem. It's a PEOPLE problem. #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    Whoa ... THE Principal in Boots? Welcome to #DitchBook Lindsy! Feel like I know you from your Instagram feed. :)
    In reply to @principalboots
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    Hey Meagan! #DitchBook
    In reply to @uhohmeagan
  • JWalterTeach Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    Howdy #Ditchbook!!! Jen here; ditching from MO. :) Excited for tonight's topic to help get my middle schoolers to #ditchcheating
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    Our first Twitter chat together? #DitchBook
    In reply to @joshchoward
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1: Ease, lack of time, overwhelming feelings... #ditchbook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1. Students cheat when they are not challenged or inspired to think for themselves. #ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    Micah! Welcome! #DitchBook
    In reply to @SenorSouderSHS
  • timlriley Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1. They fall behind and stress #DitchBook
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1: 1. Grades, 2. Expectations (self, parents, Ts, etc) , 3. Lack of Time to do it right. #DitchBook
  • Rdene915 Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1 Hey Matt :) lack of time, struggle with content, easier to copy or use a translator, #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • principalest Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    #DitchBook A1 the fear of failure or the feeling of being inadequate...or lazy.
  • ImposterTeacher Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    #ditchbook A1 Students are motivated to cheat when they are unmotivated in the work they are asked to do....OR more motivated in product than process.
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1: Fear. Fear of grades, of failure, of embarrassment. So much for kids to fear unless we set up a safe environment for them. #DitchBook
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1: Students are motivated to cheat because they don't care/want to know the information that's on the test. They haven't learned it and are looking for the easy grade to move on. #ditchbook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    A1: trying to get the assignment finished. Caring more about a finished product rather than the process. #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    Wow, welcome Pauline! #DitchBook just went global when you joined us. Glad to have you here! :)
    In reply to @PaulineIsaachs1, @CaitlinCloyd, @KleinISD
  • uhohmeagan Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    #DitchBook A1 often, apathy - there's some kind of disconnect and often cheating becomes easier because the actual work isn't meaningful or worth it
  • _Katehodges Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    Many Ss cheat because the task is not engaging or enjoyable. Then it just becomes about the grade and jumping through the necessary hoops. #ditchbook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    Sooooo true!!! #ditchbook
  • ReinhardtDerek Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1. Fear of failure. Lack of understanding of the subject. Lack of understanding the requirements for the assignment. More important things to deal with in their lives then the work we assign them. #DitchBook
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1: They cheat out of fear. Fear of actually learning something and have it be a positive impact on their educational career. #DitchBook
  • Rdene915 Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    yes, and sometimes the type of worksheet /assignment makes it easy to cheat and easy to not get caught cheating #ditchbook
    In reply to @mr_middle_2
  • JohnReadLibrary Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1 the almighty grade #DitchBook
  • emosier3 Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1: I think it shows that students are not engaged in the assignment. Or, they don't know how to complete it. Or, unfortunately, a bad rapport with the teacher. #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1: Motivation to cheat is as different as each S. 1) frustrated/not knowing how to complete the work. 2) no time to complete it 3) no desire to actually do it themselves #DitchBook
  • principalest Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    #DitchBook principal from Nashville, TN.
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    I think high stakes are sometimes a major contributor! #DitchBook
    In reply to @timlriley
  • Miss_Lievens Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1: Could be lack of readiness, overwhelmed, or maybe they don’t see the importance of learning the content so they just look off someone else. #DitchBook
  • MrBorgman Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1: Student that cheat are focused on the end result, not necessarily the learning that should have taken them there. There are any number of reasons for this, teachers have ask them selves what role they play in this problem. #ditchbook
  • pcmrsg Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
    A1 don't feel like the assignment is important, or wanna see if they get caught. #DitchBook
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    A1 It's easy today and many teachers don't seem to care that much. We also model theft of work a lot in our lessons (Hello Google Image Search, let me steal everything from you...) #ditchbook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    Tech didn’t invent cheating! Cheating has been going on long before we introduced tech into the classroom #DitchBook
  • RitnerMeredith Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    A1 They want a good grade and they aren't invested in their learning--so someone else's thinking lets them check the proverbial box--and they can focus on what's important to them. Ditch cheating w lessons that engage students and promote independent thinkiers. #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    You and me both! Just had a case of plagiarism today... Made me think... What can I do better to empower my student and adjust my assignment to encourage more independent thinking? #ditchbook
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    A1: it’s easy. Too many kids have so much done for them that working hard isn’t something they know how to do! #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    A1: It's true that students forget and don't know how sometimes. But I really believe they cheat many times because they don't see a good reason for doing our assignments. They don't see the benefit. #DitchBook
  • mrspmathworld Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    A1: Timing. Ss are crunched for time. There is only so few hours in the day and sometimes it feels like at least you are providing an answer even if it is someone elses answer. #ditchbook
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:10 PM EDT
    Or their sporting event or piano lesson or whatever other activity going on. Dare I saw Fortnite? #ditchbook
    In reply to @craigklement
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:11 PM EDT
    It's been FASCINATING to see how many people have said, "I've been talking about this" or "We just had a discussion about this" regarding tonight's topic. Can't wait to see our group's take. #DitchBook
    In reply to @zmiller3820, @DitchThatTxtbk, @KarlyMoura, @SEANJFAHEY, @TaraMartinEDU, @craigklement, @burgessdave, @TTmomTT, @rlfreedm, @emosier3
  • JWalterTeach Apr 5 @ 10:11 PM EDT
    A1: #Ditchbook They cheat because they are afraid of being wrong...they don't see the greatest successes because they are afraid to fail along the way.
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:11 PM EDT
    Yep exactly. The focus is getting a grade for completing it, rather than the focus on the learning process. In the words of @ShakeUpLearning in her new book: It’s the game of school #ditchbook #shakeuplearning
    In reply to @JWMcMillan803, @ShakeUpLearning
  • MrBorgman Apr 5 @ 10:11 PM EDT
    A2: Anti Cheating tools put a band-aid on the problem. Teachers have to get to the true root of the issue. #ditchbook
  • ms_shmiller Apr 5 @ 10:11 PM EDT
    A1: Motivation to cheat seems to be a coping mechanism to avoid the feeling of failure or of potential failure. I see students who are afraid to try anything new because of the fear they feel daily, whether it’s of how they are perceived by others or themselves. #DitchBook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:11 PM EDT
    The time component cannot be understated. Students feel the pressure! #ditchbook
    In reply to @zonie71
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    You can make students COMPLY, but can you really make them learn? If content delivery is our job, we're no different than pizza delivery drivers. It's our job to INSPIRE, to MOTIVATE, to MAKE CONNECTIONS. From my post on copy/paste cheating: https://t.co/q8vbUMw6VZ #DitchBook
  • JohnReadLibrary Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    A1 sometimes Ss work harder at cheating than they would on the actual assignment #DitchBook
  • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    A1: Lack of engagement or connection to the assignment. It’s not as much a motivation to CHEAT as much as motivation to AVOID. #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    Expectations are a big reason why they cheat ... James nailed it. Because what if they don't live up to the bar they've set for themselves -- or that others have set? #DitchBook
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    #ditchbook
    In reply to @craigklement
  • ToriJustin713 Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    A.1 I believe Ss cheat at times because they lack ownership of their work and just want to get it over with to move on. Typically when tech assignments aren't engaging or have student voice included. #ditchbook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    Tech just makes it easier... #ditchbook I fall back on if it is something where they can work as a group, then work as a group to alleviate cheating
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    Totally us right now #ditchbook
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    I'm sure it's super obvious when they use a translator! #ditchbook
    In reply to @Rdene915, @jmattmiller
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    I'm seeing a lot of "when they value the product more than the process." Spot on. #DitchBook
  • effortfuleduktr Apr 5 @ 10:12 PM EDT
    A1 - 1. They're lazy. 2. They don't see the value in the information. #ditchbook
  • CaitlinCloyd Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    A1: Students cheat mostly bc they don't understand and/or appreciate the value of true learning yet. If we help them see the value in learning, cheating happens less often. Of course, that also requires US to know the value of what we're teaching. #ditchbook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Totally. And I'm not the pink one, FYI. #DitchBook :)
    In reply to @joshchoward
  • GPearceWSD Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    A1) with assignments I think it’s ignorance, what is “your own words” or how much to change for it to become your take on the ideas. With tests I think it’s pressure to perform. A generation who thinks failure on test = self worth #DitchBook
  • AnnieStewArt708 Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    A1 no connection to the activity. It's not relevant to them personally, so get the grade, go to the next thing. #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Many of my Ss are "teacher pleasers" and I sometimes find they cheat b/c they don't want to let the T down. #DitchBook
    In reply to @JWalterTeach
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Hmm... I wonder why trying to pass someone's work as their own is not also seen as failure in the case of failure. #ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Q2: How do tools that "force students to stop cheating" help/hurt the issue? #DitchBook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Great answer. Fear of failure instead of embracing failure as a great learning opportunity #DitchBook
    In reply to @JWalterTeach
  • uhohmeagan Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    A1 #DitchBook "Ms. S, do you even know how much I have to do?!" Between sports, work, school, chores, friends, life...HW is rarely even has a fighting chance
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    I need @ShakeUpLearning new book!!! #DitchBook
  • zmiller3820 Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Hello there! Zach from Cazenovia, NY, HS ELA and Director of Technology #DitchBook
  • DDellere Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    A1 I think students to not see the importance or relevance to what is being taught #Ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:13 PM EDT
    Hey Mathew! Welcome! #DitchBook
    In reply to @principalest
  • MrBorgman Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A3: I agree. But not for the reason your quote alluded to. We should be measuring skills and each student is different. There should be no way they can cheat if they are being assessed the right way and for the right reasons. #ditchbook
  • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    Kids cheat when they value the PRODUCT more than the PROCESS. #DitchBook
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A2: The one good thing from these tools is that it makes Ss more creative and problem-solvers–just not in a way we intended in our class. Ss will find a way to cheat if they "need" to. They're all creative in their own ways. #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    Hey, Louie! :) #DitchBook
    In reply to @mr_middle_2, @Rdene915, @jmattmiller
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    We definitely should do more to make work something students feel proud of creating and empowered to show off. Not just another thing "they have to do". #ditchbook
    In reply to @ToriJustin713
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    Hey #ditchbook Kyle in Las Vegas hopping on a bit late, parental bathtime duties called first!
  • uhohmeagan Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    Ah, requires teacher to actually care!! #DitchBook
    In reply to @CaitlinCloyd
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A2. I do not think tools will ever help or stop. It is the individual who cheats and not the tool that enables it. We are reading the Perefect Score allowed @RobBuyea and Ss see SS pressured to perform and that drove the cheating. #ditchbook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    Great point! If there is no care or investment, of course they will take the "easy" way out by "cheating." Need to empower and encourage ownership. #ditchbook
    • uhohmeagan Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
      #DitchBook A1 often, apathy - there's some kind of disconnect and often cheating becomes easier because the actual work isn't meaningful or worth it
  • tranquilotravel Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    Only tool I use is a “cover sheet” to keep over their answers during quizzes. What am I missing? #Ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • lisahillenburg Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A1: fear #DitchBook
  • robinrenee Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A1: students cheat when they are not connecting to what needs to be learned. They don’t have an answer to why they need to know it or that answer is not relevant to them. #DitchBook
  • LindaEdwardsi Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A1 Students cheat for marks, keep parents happy, and to look good in front of their peers #DitchBook
  • _Katehodges Apr 5 @ 10:14 PM EDT
    A2: The tools do not change the situation. Ss need tasks that are engaging and make cheating difficult and not desirable. I can catch countless student cheating using these tools- but is easier to make tasks that make them not want to cheat! #DitchBook
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
    A2: They hurt the issue because it just encourages the students to find a different way to cheat instead. They spend more time cheating/trying to cheat than studying and doing well. #ditchbook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
    Hey friend! Made it to #ditchbook! Long week, but good week if I am here this late on a Thursday!
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura, @Rdene915, @jmattmiller
  • SenorSouderSHS Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
    A1. Ss care more about "the correct answer" more than comprehension. Fear of failure or looking foolish for not knowing the answer. Kids also dont know how to properly use resources. #DitchBook
  • PaulineIsaachs1 Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
    I agree, My son's peers cheated for those very reasons, apathy on part of onlookers too #ditchbook
    In reply to @Rdene915, @mr_middle_2
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
    A2: With tech, Ss will always find a way. The tool that is best to help prevent cheating is the T. That's the only "tool" that will make a big difference. #DitchBook
  • GPearceWSD Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
    The ultimate way to play the game of school. Game the system is only way to success when you feel you competition is stacked against you. #ditchbook
    In reply to @JohnReadLibrary
  • CaitlinCloyd Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2: Tools like TurnItIn, etc. sometimes only push students to cheat harder and/or find ways to get around it. They often spend more time finding ways to beat the system than just doing the assignment themselves. #ditchbook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    Yes! It’s amazing, I highly recommend it. Go order now, you’ll absolutely love it. https://t.co/jN1KNxsxtr #ditchbook #ShakeUpLearning
    In reply to @zonie71, @ShakeUpLearning
  • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2: These tools tell students that we don’t trust them AND/OR here’s a challenge to cheat… should you choose to accept it (M:I voice). #DitchBook
  • MrBorgman Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A4: Let's bring in student choice and personalization to allow the students voice to truly come through. They won't even think to cheat cause the product of the assessment will be off their own making. #ditchbook
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2: It catches the act, but we as Ts need to step into it and make it a teachable moment. EG: Turnitin catches it, but Ss don't know how to fix it. #DitchBook
  • Miss_Lievens Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2: I don’t think it really has to do with the tools. If Ss are engaged and like what they’re learning, they’ll want to work and won’t engage in cheating #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    Glad you made it! Just caught up on #4OCF voxes. :) #DitchBook
    In reply to @mr_middle_2, @Rdene915, @jmattmiller
  • uhohmeagan Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    Help: show how not to cheat Hurt: show how not to cheat (by gaming the system and finding the loopholes) #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A1: In the times that I did it back in the day, it was lack of time, lack of knowledge but still wanted the grade, and lack of interest in the subject matter (especially when I got to precalculus, sorry math folk!) #ditchbook
  • hartel30 Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    John from STL... Crashing into #ditchbook a bit late after 3rd grade musical...
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    Yep, by teachers and parents #DitchBook
    In reply to @AnnieStewArt708
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    ...and this is not the type of creativity and problem-solving we intended #DitchBook
    In reply to @CaitlinCloyd
  • JohnReadLibrary Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2 it may be a band aid and not actuallyaddress the issue #DitchBook
  • AnnieStewArt708 Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    No connection, can't legislate relevance, it has to come from them #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • Rdene915 Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2 it seems that the search for the next way to cheat continues, although the plagiarism checkers are a help, way around it is through creating more authentic, non textbook tasks, b/c most text answers are free online too #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A1: Ss chest when they think the ‘product’ is the end game. If they see that learning continues and it’s ok to not master on the 1 test then they may be less likely to cheat. #DitchBook
  • LindaEdwardsi Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2 In the real world they will not be locked out of Google or other sites they might the answers to a quiz. They need to learn values instead of having adults controlling the environment #DitchBook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    A2: If a student wants to cheat they will find a way. Sharing a document, crowd-sourced slides... always a challenge. Talk to Ss about learning only happens when you do it yourself, not when you copy or someone else does it for you. #DitchBook
  • KarlyMoura - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
    Hey, #DitchBook! On a little vacation with my boys taking Jake to see our alma mater @ucdavis today but wanted to pop in and say hello!
  • ImposterTeacher Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    #ditchbook A2 In a way they help the issue by allowing teachers to create unmeaningful assignments and give those teachers a crutch to do so.
  • robinrenee Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    #DitchBook A2: Those tools don’t help students understand why they need to learn it. Does not make students more engaged in the learning.
  • KarlyMoura - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    A2 Because they just "get caught" they don't choose to stop. It's not getting to the root of the problem. #DitchBook
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    Yes we need to model but Ps need to be part of this conversation. We cannot do it alone. #ditchbook
    In reply to @zonie71
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    A2 It makes Ss feel like they aren't trusted. It also builds more management structures into to school, making it MORE institutional. Institutions are run by managers, not empowerers. #ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    Right. The focus goes to beating the system instead of actually learning. #DitchBook
    • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:15 PM EDT
      A2: They hurt the issue because it just encourages the students to find a different way to cheat instead. They spend more time cheating/trying to cheat than studying and doing well. #ditchbook
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    You killed me with that last part, but I see it everyday in my class unfortunately. #DitchBook
    In reply to @AndersonEdTech
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    Ha! I did that in the car in my hours of driving today! I just started catching up on Culturize, but cannot multitask with Twitter chat! #ditchbook
    In reply to @SteinbrinkLaura, @Rdene915, @jmattmiller
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • zmiller3820 Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    A1: my opinion, students plagiarize because a) they want to finish an assignment quickly to move on to something of importance to them...like video games b) they really have no clue of the severity of what they're doing c) rarely get called them on it #DitchBook
  • thurndotte Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    A2: a tech tool is only a tool, it’s not a moral compass #DitchBook
  • ToriJustin713 Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    A.2 Ss who really want to cheat will find a way and will spend time finding other ways to cheat. Although I do appreciate the plagiarism checkers.#ditchbook
  • engelworks Apr 5 @ 10:17 PM EDT
    Love #Ditchbook but strongly disagree here. I find cheating occurs in an indirect proportion to the quality of relationship the teacher has w/ the student, regardless of the excellence of the instruction. Students who respect their teachers & feel known by them cheat less often
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    A2: for the first few times, it usually helps pretty well, after that, students figure out how to get around things because they are slick and deserve the credit for being smarter than often given #ditchbook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    A2: focusing on stopping cheating is still mostly about compliance rather than learning #DitchBook
  • pcmrsg Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    A2: They find ways around the sites. They don't see "copy and pasting" as cheating. #DitchBook
  • LCHS_Bio Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    But what is “cheating?” Some people might consider it being #Innovative or #UsingResources. Is it about reciting information or finding and implying information that is readily available. #DevilsAdvocate #DitchBook
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    Hey, John! #MoRepresenting #DitchBook
    In reply to @hartel30
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    I'm trying to understand this fear... Fear of... Work? Fear of being creative? Fear of brain output? Fear of failure. :( Makes me want to reframe learning in the classroom as an opportunity to grow. Ss should not be afraid to fail. #ditchbook
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    Right. Culture is everything. What message does our blocking and forcing actually send? #DitchBook
    • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:16 PM EDT
      A2: These tools tell students that we don’t trust them AND/OR here’s a challenge to cheat… should you choose to accept it (M:I voice). #DitchBook
  • PaulineIsaachs1 Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    My son's peers just used their mob phone to get answers #ditchbook
    In reply to @JohnReadLibrary
  • JWalterTeach Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    A2: #Ditchbook I try to "fix" the issue by making grades as much about the process as the final result...must show your "work"/thinking/rationale to get credit for an answer...higher DOK Q's, too.
  • RitnerMeredith Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
    A2 #ditchbook Hey--tools can be helpful deterrents (Turn-It-In), but the problem is a culture that values points, grades, products, a 4.7 GPA.
  • ReinhardtDerek Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    A2 you can’t force change in behavior. The individual has to want to do it the right way for it to be impactful. It is our job to make sure our expectations are relevant to each individual student #DitchBook
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    I loved algebra, trig, geometry, once I got to precalc, I was completely lost, took trig and prob & stats in college to avoid calc and get my math credits #ditchbook
    In reply to @JWMcMillan803
  • LindaEdwardsi Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    A2 Locking students tools up forces them to spend their time trying to outsmart the controls instead of learning #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    Q3: "We should ask questions you can't Google the answers to." To what extent do you agree/disagree? #DitchBook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    Absolutely. Ps play a part of that integral team! #ditchbook
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    100% -- students cheat because THEY CAN and IT'S EFFICIENT. That's the way we run our schools. We need more assignments that kids can't just cheat on. Authentic and reflective of interest. #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    I find the same thing w/ some of my Ss. It's our job though to educate them on the difference if no one else has. Getting caught cheating/plagiarizing in college or the real-world could be detrimental. #DitchBook
    In reply to @pcmrsg
  • KarlyMoura - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:19 PM EDT
    A1 I would argue that for some it's just too much pressure and the fear of failure. Some it's laziness. #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    Right! So we catch it. Big deal. What do we do about it? We're not playing a big game of Gotcha. #DitchBook
    In reply to @JWMcMillan803
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    fear of everything you mentioned. To me they seem to do it because they don't want to tap the inner potential they have and are content with what they know. Or anything to use their cell phone. #DitchBook
    In reply to @mr_middle_2
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    A3: I agree, but this goes both ways. I'm in a 1-to-1 school, and my rule is that I don't answer "Google-able" ?s. I do this to make Ss more self-sufficient and indirectly show them how to conduct quick, and worthwhile, searches. Underrated skillset for Ss! #DitchBook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    Just another reason to #ditchgrades #ttog. Feedback all the way! #ditchbook
    • MrBorgman Apr 5 @ 10:09 PM EDT
      A1: Student that cheat are focused on the end result, not necessarily the learning that should have taken them there. There are any number of reasons for this, teachers have ask them selves what role they play in this problem. #ditchbook
  • principalboots Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    A2 look at the intent behind cheating...that is the interesting piece. Blog post maybe?! #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    BOOM. Exactly! #DitchBook
    In reply to @uhohmeagan
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    So true #ditchbook
    In reply to @AndersonEdTech
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    Hey John! #DitchBook
    In reply to @hartel30
  • zmiller3820 Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    I agree, Caitlin. Our school is considering using turnitin #DitchBook
    In reply to @CaitlinCloyd
  • MrsDurantWHS Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    A3: We can ask them, but they should not be the main objective of the learning. The main objective should be something students must dig in to deeper. #ditchbook
  • effortfuleduktr Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    A3 - Well...yes, I agree...but we should also ask questions they can google. Knowledge is still important. Knowing stuff is still important. IMO, anyone who believes "if they can google it, we shouldn't be teaching it" is wrong. #ditchbook
  • hartel30 Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    A3: Almost always. I suppose there are times where Googleable facts/dates are necessary, but asking students to create and discuss are usually more critical #ditchbook
  • ms_shmiller Apr 5 @ 10:20 PM EDT
    Q2: Sometimes the tools are created as a response to CHEATING not to the CAUSE of the cheating. Students are then not empowered, not feeling confident in their abilities, and managing the obstacle course of “tools,” that having added more to their perceived problems. #DitchBook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    A3: yes and no. For example in math, students need to know how to do the procedure, BUT it is also important for students to learn the concept behind the procedure and how to apply the procedure in real context #DitchBook
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    A3 AGREE AGREE AGREE. There's a reason Google is basically a verb now. Much of the content students need is available with a simple search. Let's make it more about what they do with that content, what they create, how they communicate it, etc. #ditchbook
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    A3. I think we need to teach Ss how to ask all kinds of questions. It depends on your objective. They need to learn how to use tools to answer questions as well as answer higher level questions. They also need to be taught how to ask questions. #ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    I am LOVING these insights about cheating in tonight's #DitchBook chat. Can't wait to go back through responses ... FYI: Watch https://t.co/k3H4V95Ymn for a recap of tonight's chat. We'll curate tweets from each question!
  • SenorSouderSHS Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    I think the quality of the assignment also plays a role in the ability or desire to cheat. #Ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • emosier3 Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    A3: I'm kind of on the fence on this one. On one hand, you want students to know how to be skilled Google searchers, but on the other hand, you want them to explore higher DOK level responses by using that research. #ditchbook
  • _Katehodges Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    A3: I completely agree. This is difficult in an ELA class mostly bc of the obsession with the cannon. Switch it up and teach a variety of texts. Ditch the whole class novel and offer variety or Ss choice! Less incentive to cheat with ownership and variety! #DitchBook
  • hartel30 Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    Hey Matt (refusing to be in the JimmyMatt camp) :) Glad to make #ditchbook Hope you are well!
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    A3: If I want critical thinking, then I create problems that aren't a one google search and done question. However, I learn by Google all the time, so I teach Ss to Google anything that helps us get to the problem solving. #DitchBook
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    Cheating has so many different definitions/interpretations and it is tough to find the line between cheating/not. #ditchbook
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • JohnReadLibrary Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    A3 the right open ended questions can motivate and engage Ss so the desire to cheat is eliminated #DitchBook
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Blatant copying of something from the Internet is definitely cheating, and a great moment for a #digitalcitizenship lesson #ditchbook
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @WinkelerD
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Gosh... They all talk about this. I'm such an old man! Have no idea what Fortnite is! #ditchbook
    In reply to @rlfreedm, @craigklement
  • principalboots Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Always I say...I’ll never remember it if I can google it! What’s the point? I want to think, not regurgitate. Let’s ask our kids to do the same! #DitchBook
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    A3: It depends on what is being learned. DOK 1 info is always Google-able, but DOK 3/4 should not be Google-able to an extent. It surprises me when Ss are go "How do you know that?" and it seems like basic information. #GoogleGeneration #Retention #DitchBook
  • GPearceWSD Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    A2) now wait, as teachers should we wait to use the tools to catch kids... or should we show the kids how to use the same tools. They can catch themselves, edit their work and make it their own. #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Wow ... is this a #BookSnaps / #BlogSnaps / animated GIF / video mashup? AMAZING! #DitchBook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    It’s the new game #DitchBook
    In reply to @mr_middle_2, @rlfreedm
  • CaitlinCloyd Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    A3: Agree to an extent. Pretty soon there won't be any question Google can't answer. Plus, if Google can't answer it, their 1,000 Snapchat friends can. #ditchbook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    A3: Depending on what we are asking and/or doing. These Qs are great also for demonstrating prof for the reason, claim, and evidence. #ditchbook
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    U and me both #ditchbook
    In reply to @emosier3
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Tools lull teachers into a false sense of security and they don't change their practices. They should instead make kids get excited about the learning and be invested in their work so they won't think of cheating. #DitchBook
  • ToriJustin713 Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Many of my Ss want "google-able" questions/answers and get frustrated when I ask them to think deeper. It's a daily goal of mine to push them. I think it's very important! #ditchbook
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:22 PM EDT
    Going through this with a S on a research paper right now. #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    Almost time for Q4 ... It's been a fast and furious chat. (But keep it up!) :) #DitchBook
  • PaulineIsaachs1 Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    It creates an equal playing field and gives the non cheaters a reason not to. #ditchbook
    In reply to @zonie71
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    I don't think it's that we shouldn't be teaching it if it can be Googled. It's about what we're expecting from our teaching. Memorization and recall of facts have little value long-term. I don't believe we should be teaching w/ those goals in mind! #DitchBook
    In reply to @effortfuleduktr
  • ImposterTeacher Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    #ditchbook A3 Any straight-up 'rule' on my teaching is like a professional painter hearing a straight-up 'rule' on paintings. Don't judge my teaching performance on the trendiest teaching advice you just heard and stick around long enough to see the painting...if you must judge.
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    And sometimes trying to avoid being in trouble when it's constantly hanging over your head is incredibly stressful. We also make the kids that don't cheat feel that way with all the tools we use to fight the ones that do. #ditchbook
    In reply to @ms_shmiller
  • KarlyMoura - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    Craig is seriously rocking this GIF game!/#DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • LindaEdwardsi Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    A3 Knowing how to formulate the right questions to learn from Google is an important skill too. That being said we need to form better questions as educators that students need to discuss and show evidence of their learning #DitchBook
  • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    A3: we should ask questions that you can’t JUST Google the answers to. We have to take into account the outcomes and strategies before we proceed with the tools and the planning of our lessons. #DitchBook #BoldSchool
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    A3: Part of me agrees that we should challenge our students to truly prove they have learned, but at the same time, since when has my supervisor told me to do something but I can't look anything up or get assistance? #ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:23 PM EDT
    Q4: What can we do? (About cheating) How can our activities / assignments be DIFFERENT to reduce cheating? #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    Definitely! #DitchBook
    In reply to @KarlyMoura
  • DDellere Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A3 Amen! Students have so much information that we cannot imagine how tough it is compared to our education. Start asking questions that gets them thinking at a higher DOK level. And if they can Google the Answer is there a real reason to memorize it? #Ditchbook
  • robinrenee Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A3: I think it is okay to have some answers googleable, but then they need to go deeper with the material and make connections that cannot be found on the internet. #ditchbook
  • Rdene915 Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A3 I think sometimes it is helpful to get a quick answer, like looking for a resource, title of a book, basic knowledge or uncommon fact even, but need to push Ss to explore more and not be able to find an answer, #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A4. I am not sure they need to be different rather teach Ss about this and how to put things into their own words. If no one teaches them how will they know? #ditchbook
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A3: In elementary math, this would be tough. There are skills students need to be able to do (at least according to curriculum) and most of these could be googled. #DitchBook
  • LCHS_Bio Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    But if i look it up, read the material, and put it in my own words, is that cheating? If the Ss can explain it, then I’m OK with it. #DitchBook
    In reply to @AndersonEdTech, @WinkelerD
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    Would you then say blatant copying of neighbors work is cheating? #ditchbook
    In reply to @AndersonEdTech, @LCHS_Bio
  • effortfuleduktr Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    I certainly agree, to an extent...memorization and recall isn't bad, though...It's impossible to creative with information you don't have. #ditchbook
    In reply to @CoachNiedert
  • ms_shmiller Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A3: Agree, in that we should pose students with questions that require their own thoughts, perspectives, and expressions. Disagree, in that students should learn how to use the tools they have greatest access to, responsibly and to their greatest advantage. #DitchBook
  • CathleenBeachbd Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
    A3: Questions should be asked that have no answer.Students today are going to face diverse problems. Allow Ss to do some problem-solving and logical thinking to real world scenarios. Have them create ideas backed up with evidence. Teach authentic problem solving.#ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A4: How do we battle cheating, the copy/paste variety or others? We have to be willing to "kill our darlings." We LOVE those activities, but are they getting results anymore? Taking a risk and trying something new could reap great rewards. #DitchBook
  • PaulineIsaachs1 Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A1. I agree. The system, the culture is too hard to belong. #ditchbook
    In reply to @engelworks, @jmattmiller
  • timlriley Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A3. I agree but i actually had sparknotes on the smart board this morning to help drive discussion. Trying to Ss to read something #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    Truth. And how much learning comes out of that? If, as teachers, we get REAL about the amount of learning that comes from these assignments, we can do DIFFERENT activities that cause kids to think. Not just fill in blanks. #DitchBook
  • RitnerMeredith Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    Indeed! When I started assessing writing with Ss on chromebooks, I had to change my assessments because they had access to all of their prior thinking...and Google. I realized that I needed higher DOK! End result? Deeper thinking. #ditchbook
    • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:18 PM EDT
      A2: for the first few times, it usually helps pretty well, after that, students figure out how to get around things because they are slick and deserve the credit for being smarter than often given #ditchbook
  • SenorSouderSHS Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A2. I have given students access to online resources to help find info not part of standard curriculum. However they forget the way to properly use them. And they don't give credit for using them. #DitchBook
  • LCHS_Bio Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    What if they collaborated on creating the answer? #DitchBook
    In reply to @WinkelerD, @AndersonEdTech
  • nnekamcgee Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A3: Saw this chat on my stream and had to jump in. :-) Great chat #ditchbook! Shouldn't Ss be able to crawl b4 they can walk...meaning they have to know how to find information as a basis for synthesizing it. Nothing wrong with Google answers if it leads to original creations.
  • principalboots Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    When my 5th grade accelerated son gets frustrated I get excited!! I usually say something like... “yes!!! I see your brain sweating! Get after it!” #DitchBook
    In reply to @ToriJustin713
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    Great tag team move! Love that addition! Reading my mind! #DitchBook
    In reply to @2b42morrow
  • _Katehodges Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    Q4: Ss should be given opportunities to create products of value. I recently asked Ss to design pieces of tech using AI dino friends as inspiration & create an instruction manual. Cheating was virtually impossible. Blog here for any interested https://t.co/xrJTg2ZQEj #DitchBook
  • craigklement - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A4: giving students more choice in how they learn and demonstrate their learning #DitchBook
  • mr_middle_2 Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A2. Empower students to be original and creative. With systems and apps, it implies there is a way to get around it. #ditchbook
  • LindaEdwardsi Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A4 Students need to be creating to demonstrate their learning #DitchBook
  • CrabtreeHMS Apr 5 @ 10:25 PM EDT
    A4: Give the students some voice/choice in the activities/assignments. When kids have ownship or a stake in their learning, they give it value. They value the PROCESS more than the PRODUCT. #ditchbook
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    ...and if they can't explain it? Or you can tell it is the words of someone else? #DitchBook
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @AndersonEdTech
  • Rdene915 Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    A4 open ended, I am loving #pbl and also doing things like #hyperdocs , have Ss come up with their own product to show learning, create their own story, etc. #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    EXACTLY. Really, in many cases, it's a product of the culture. What do we value? To see what we really value, you have to see what we REWARD -- and how we reward it. THAT will change everything. #DitchBook
    In reply to @RitnerMeredith
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    A4: Activities/assignments that can't be graded w/ a simple answer key tend to be difficult to cheat on in math/CS classes at least. Maximizing S choice and working in S interests also helps! #DitchBook
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    Without credit, absolutely. Ultimately, we should create activities that engage students to be creative, that will prevent copying #ditchbook
    In reply to @WinkelerD, @LCHS_Bio
  • GPearceWSD Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    Why are we the ones asking all the questions? We should be the ones showing how to find deep answers to their questions, no? #ditchbook
  • emosier3 Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    A4: I think it all goes back to being a student-centered classroom. If the project can be structured to allow students some freedom to choose what they do and be creative, I think cheating would drastically be reduced. #ditchbook
  • KarlyMoura - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    A4 Project-based learning. Asking students to explain their thinking. Teaching it to others. Those will show us if they learned the content and if they can apply it. #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • zmiller3820 Apr 5 @ 10:26 PM EDT
    A3: You could Google just about anything, but we need to teach students to dig deeper with their searches and use better sources. It's D Digital Citizenship stuff that needs to be taught at the elementary level. Ethics. MS or HS is too late. #ditchbook
  • RitnerMeredith Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    Q4: #ditchbook 100% AGREE! It's not deeper thinking if you can Google it!
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    At that point, no....not cheating. But if it's independent work/quiz/test/etc and they are copying the answer just to finish asap then I consider that cheating. #DitchBook
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @AndersonEdTech
  • jason_mcd_ Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    A1: I handed something in. That's what you wanted, right? (Culture of product over process) #ditchbook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • ToriJustin713 Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    A.4 Engage, student choice/voice, and hook them from the beginning#tlap #ditchbook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    A3: I'm OK with having students learn things they can Google. I'm NOT OK with valuing their ability to regurgitate those facts over actually THINKING. #DitchBook
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    So true -- and sometimes kids need to plagiarize a few times to know how to accurately source. It can be tricky working with information on the internet, but that's why it's so important we teach Ss those skills. #ditchbook
    In reply to @nnekamcgee
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    Can they explain, or did they memorize? There are so many layers to this that can go either way #ditchbook
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @WinkelerD
  • CoachNiedert Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    Student choice is a major asset in decreasing cheating #DitchBook
    In reply to @craigklement
  • _Katehodges Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    A4: Also, give challenges that require Ss to use their skills. My Ss went through a Romeo & Juliet escape room & used skills learned to escape. This included Makey Makey locks. Ss didn't want to cheat bc they wanted to enjoy the experience & they wanted to win! #DitchBook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    A4: In MI, our state assessments are moving to almost all claim, reason, evidence for literacy and science. This will help students with their thinking and explain that as long as they can do those three for their thinking, that will help. #ditchbook
  • Elizabeth_Navis Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    A4: Include more engaging assignments. Let students be creators, make them explain why things are they way they are, give them work they excited about. #DitchBook
  • WinkelerD Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
    But even still some of the activities I believe are engaging, students are cheating and finding shortcuts to save time to not have to work instead. #DitchBook
    In reply to @AndersonEdTech, @LCHS_Bio
  • AndersonEdTech Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    Which is great and what we should all be shooting for, good for you for getting there! #ditchbook
    In reply to @RitnerMeredith
  • Miss_Lievens Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    A4: Giving Ss options to help them stay engaged. The more variety for assignments they have the better! Open-ended projects could really help this issue! #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    There's real value to this ... get to a higher DOK level. We have to build the foundation with the basic competencies, too, but push to those higher levels as well. #DitchBook
    In reply to @DDellere
  • rlfreedm Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    Thanks @jmattmiller for an enagaging #ditchbook conversation!
  • LindaEdwardsi Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    A4b I offer choice Board to students, hopefully they choose response types that are suited to their learning styles #DitchBook
  • zonie71 Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    Exactly!! #DitchBook
    In reply to @jmattmiller
  • principalboots Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    Show our kids relevance. Just like rules...we don’t create them to ensure dominance, it’s typically for safety. Now...demonstrate the reason behind the activity - if you can’t, re-evaluate #DitchBook
  • SteinbrinkLaura Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    A4: Design original activites that don't have canned answers, like the #CaptionThis with Google Slides. That isn't Googleable. Or raps with vocabulary. There are TONS of things to deepen the learning. #PBL is one. Google and searches / research will play a part. #DitchBook
  • CaitlinCloyd Apr 5 @ 10:28 PM EDT
    A4: We live in a new world. If we really want to change this cheating problem, it will require a huge shift in education practices & structures. MUCH smaller class sizes, a LOT of one-on-one time w/ students, & more time to plan, create, & prepare feedback. #ditchbook
  • JWalterTeach Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    A4: I strongly believe in student choice in showing knowledge. Let them create an authentic, real-world applicable product which they can "personalize" discourages cheating and encourages effort. #ditchbook #studentvoice
  • timlriley Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    A4. I’m constantly reaching out to Ss for feedback. #DitchBook
  • robinrenee Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    A4: One of my favorite ways was to change the point of view students looked at an issue to a unique perspective. Also to have them connections to current events an happenings in the world or in their life. #DitchBook
  • joshchoward Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    A4 Ask kids to make things, solve problems, thinking critically about what we're studying, ASK questions rather than answer them. If we are simply asking them to recite facts and regurgitate data, then we might as well let them cheat. #ditchbook
  • RitnerMeredith Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    Q4: #ditchbook I love @Flipgrid for assessing students. If you can capture/explain your thinking verbally, you know it.
  • JWMcMillan803 Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    Can I like this 1000 times? #DitchBook
    • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:27 PM EDT
      A3: I'm OK with having students learn things they can Google. I'm NOT OK with valuing their ability to regurgitate those facts over actually THINKING. #DitchBook
  • ms_shmiller Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    A4: Empower students to create, not regurgitate. Allowing students more time to explore, play, and experiment with concepts with a focus on GROWTH, not GRADE. #DitchBook
  • jmattmiller - Moderator Apr 5 @ 10:29 PM EDT
    BOOM. This is KEY. "It's impossible to be creative with information you don't have." We want kids thinking at high levels, but we have to build to that higher level with a solid foundation. #DitchBook
    • effortfuleduktr Apr 5 @ 10:24 PM EDT
      I certainly agree, to an extent...memorization and recall isn't bad, though...It's impossible to creative with information you don't have. #ditchbook
      In reply to @CoachNiedert