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JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:00 AM EDT

Welcome to #sunchat & Morning! Jamie, co-mod here w/awesome @mssackstein @tiffanytruitt @susankotch Please introduce & chime in! Topic here>

theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:00 AM EDT

#HackLearning over already? Thanks for great ideas, all, and see you over in #sunchat!

participatechat Apr 23 @ 9:00 AM EDT

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susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:01 AM EDT

Come on over to #sunchat! Now! #hacklearning

theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:01 AM EDT

#sunchat Morning all! Shane from AB Canada. Teacher of ELA, drama and film studies. Also a dedicated education podcaster.

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:01 AM EDT

Morning Shane! #sunchat

In reply to @theedpodcast

MrFergusonMJHS Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM EDT

Join myself & @mathkaveli Monday @ 9:30 PM EST #sunchat. This week's Misconception: HW Is it formative assessment? #MathConceptions

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM EDT

Susan here - just coming off of a great #hacklearning = I finally remembered to jump on there at 8:30! #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM EDT

Morning Susan! #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM EDT

#sunchat 👋🏻Serve as an Instructional Coach at Bartlett MS for Porterville Unified & facilitate our Pp Workshops & PDs 4 Secondary History Tt

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:02 AM EDT

Good morning! 7th grade ELA in Wisco. Coming here after lurking in #hacklearning getting great ideas for Teacher Appreciation Week! #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:03 AM EDT

Hello #sunchat! This topic sounds most interesting! I'm Leslie, an instructional coach in Mty, MX. How are you all doing?

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:01 AM EDT

Come on over to #sunchat! Now! #hacklearning

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:03 AM EDT

Morning Noemi! #sunchat

In reply to @mydesk_not

SusZanti5 Apr 23 @ 9:03 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat PLN! #sunchat Susan, instructional coach from Loudoun County, VA

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:03 AM EDT

Good morning! Amy from sunny MI. I teach middle school band. #sunchat

theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:03 AM EDT

#sunchat I would teach only film studies... No grades. Replace with team and one on one conferences. Real audiences give feedback.

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM EDT

Good morning! Carrie, AP at Perry County Middle School, Missouri. #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM EDT

Morning April! #sunchat

In reply to @msdwater

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM EDT

Good morning, #SUNchat! The coffee is flowing. The head is spinning from #hacklearning. Let's rock! Karl, 5/6 T from the Jersey shore.

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM EDT

Morning Leslie! #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:04 AM EDT

Good morning everyone! Carla, secondary principal from Santo Domingo. #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

Hello, #sunchat! (Long time no see!) Joy from IL, currently going w/o marks (until quarter end) in 7th grade ELA.

ljconrad Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

What Makes a Genius? #gtchat #sunchat “Some minds are so exceptional they change the world. We don’t know exactly... https://t.co/lX1bP2C6NP

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

Thanks for the reminder to go from #hacklearning to #sunchat! :)

In reply to @susankotch

hodge_dv Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat. Daniel, Personalized Learning Coach from outside of Atlanta.

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

Bonnie science teacher from CT #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

Sean from Orland Pk IL. Interesting topic for a college prep HS. #sunchat

JoeHNewYork Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

#Potus24 enjoying time with the family #SemperFi hey #TheResistance he's next #Sundaymorning #sunchat #FoxSunday #Mediabuzz #AMJoy #ThisWeek

VP Apr 23 @ 12:31 AM EDT

Thanks @tarongazoo for a fun and informative visit. #VPinAUS

TeachFangs Apr 23 @ 9:05 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat !

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

#sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

Good morning, Jamie! :) #sunchat

In reply to @JamieArmin

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

Jim Smith, Assessment and Data, Minnesota. Lets do more authentic assessing, and less testing. #sunchat #ATAssess

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

Oo, oo, we get to poke the hornets' nest of grades/grading? Count me in, #sunchat. I'm Brian. I teach MS Ss Eng in CO.

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

Morning Joy! Happy that you could join us! #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

#sunchat Thoughts? Fellow👩‍🔬Tt began scoring Fs as no lower than 50% & immediately starting seeing Ss who had given up put more effort & ⤴️

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

I love all the questions for reflection in this! #sunchat

In reply to @MrDataGuy

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

Jinkees! It's going to be fairly warm AND the sun is out (it's been rather soggy around here lately). My condolences on the snow. #sunchat

In reply to @theedpodcast

theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

#sunchat Grades are a poor stand in for more thorough and pointed feedback. Face time with S's is much more beneficial.

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

Much thanks to our contributing #sunchat pln chatter Noa @supervxn for this week's topic! Thx @susankotch for super poster & questions!

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

I know - not sure why we continue to do things that were set up a hundred years ago! Why have we not progressed in ed? #sunchat

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

#sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

watertankmath Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

Watertank Math excited to follow #sunchat this morning from KS!

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

I've been archiving great posts over past week in connection w/our topic. Will share! Lots 2 think about & plan for moving forward! #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

Thanks, without reflection there is no feedback, and the learning is stifled. #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

I love all the questions for reflection in this! #sunchat
In reply to @MrDataGuy

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat. Joining a little late...Tiffany Truitt, Literacy Support Specialist!

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

#Sunchat seems to know just what I need. Here's a very recent post. Noisy Room Down the Hall: Grading Grumbles https://t.co/C4AbSEwS2X

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

Definitely a conversation starter! Which reflects Ss actual learning? #sunchat

In reply to @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

GingerLewman Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

If these are too far away for you, check https://t.co/ecwEgvRP1q, the original #makered PD for Ts alongside Ss! #makerspace #sunchat

GingerLewman Apr 20 @ 6:30 PM EDT

Building your new #makerspace? Tightening one you already have? Then this is for YOU! #ksedchat #ksed

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

Agree, Jim. Problem is fitting that info in the grading scale the district set up. Square Peg, Round Hole. We need total alignment. #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

Jim Smith, Assessment and Data, Minnesota. Lets do more authentic assessing, and less testing. #sunchat #ATAssess

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:08 AM EDT

Good Morning #sunchat I'm Nicole from sunny Southwestern Ontario.

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

I'll stop grumbling about needing to mow my lawn today. :) #sunchat

In reply to @theedpodcast

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

I hate grades. I'd love to do SBG instead. Math has gone that way in our district. Ideas on implementing for ELA? #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat from SW MO. Feedback keeps learning alive. Grades are the end of learning. S-based learning helps #hacklearning

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

I've drunk Mr. Wormeli's Kool-Aid. I'm fine giving zero short shrift in grade book. It's needlessly punitive, a mathematical excess #sunchat

In reply to @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

debbieholman22 Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat Debbie from Colorado jumping in after a great #hacklearning chat!

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

Timely poem crossing my path this AM, #SUNchat. Digest. Reflect. Act.

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

UGH! It's beyond time to change! #sunchat

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

#sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT

#sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

I'm Kathleen middle school humanities from MA, just stumbled on #sunchat as I checked Twitter!

HIPAAEx Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT

#WallStreet IT Engineer Hacks Employer to See If He Will Be Let Go https://t.co/Jxz3MAjnKg #SundayMorning #sunchat #HIPAA #Hacked #Cyber

TeachThoughtPD Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

12 Alternatives To Letter Grades In Education - TeachThought PD https://t.co/9w0Ic2Lm6J #sunchat #k12

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

Hi #sunchat - Lena Marie from MA joining the convo this morning! Hi everyone! 😊

massignmenthelp Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

#sunchat Tips for Learning Mathematics to Students https://t.co/4jSNAvgzTZ

AssignmentHelpN Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

#sunchat 9 Points Professors Look for in a Term Paper https://t.co/TIlvLrRta3

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

I agree. More shared communication with parents to discuss student achievement is also a must. #sunchat

theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

#sunchat Grades are a poor stand in for more thorough and pointed feedback. Face time with S's is much more beneficial.

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

Agree! We got rid of zeros and the lowest grades Ts can give is a 50. Makes it much fairer #sunchat

In reply to @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

I just "widen" the hole a bit, my square peg fits right in #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

I agree as well, but we can still must assess formatively in a traditional grading system, don't have to "grade" everything. #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

watertankmath Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

Ahh, assessments, always a point of contention in the education world. So many ways and theories behind it. #sunchat #math #mtbos #sahm

TeamTomWaters Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

4 Strategies to Use Right Now! Test review without drudgery! #teaching https://t.co/kbSiWschLp #sunchat #edchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

Via one of @sstorm01's students. #sunchat

In reply to @MrU_ishere, @sstorm01

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

Starr from NY. Co-mod. On the road before baseball #sunchat

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

I think you can value growth AND still see the value in grades. #sunchat

TeamTomWaters Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT

4 Strategies that Promote Critical Thinking in Engaging Ways! #teaching https://t.co/kbSiWschLp #sunchat #edchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

#sunchat from @gcouros

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

I hate 'grading'! I love giving feedback and learning. #sunchat

theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT

#sunchat Grades are a poor stand in for more thorough and pointed feedback. Face time with S's is much more beneficial.

TeamTomWaters Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

Prove it or Lose - A strategy your students need now! #teaching https://t.co/kbSiWschLp #sunchat #edchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

#sunchat

DavidPBLRoss Apr 19 @ 8:51 PM EDT

Ten Ideas for Getting Started with 21st Century Teaching and Learning https://t.co/iHsyq41lTG #P21Exemplar #SkillsForToday

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

GREAT graphic #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

#sunchat from @gcouros

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

And parents need to be informed more than at just one meeting or with just emails. There needs to be conversation before change #sunchat

In reply to @BeuckelareNic

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

If school us about measuring learning, zeros for attendance tell us nothing. Grade behavior separately from learning #sunchat

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT
Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat
- mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

Formative assessment in class and long term project based learning is how kids learn both collaboratively and independently #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

One comment I've heard in response to this is as follows: For work, you choose to be there. For school, do kids choose? #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

(Other side) They're not at a job yet. We are there to teach them how to get in the work. If they don't do the work, have them in. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

#sunchat Love this from @vivettedukes on creating an atmosphere where Ss feel cared for & want to stay awhile! I would add "SMILE"

teacher2teacher Apr 23 @ 8:00 AM EDT

How T @vivettdukes strives to help all her Ss feel at home by taking a vested interest in their cultures & stories: https://t.co/jOG4dLKxiG

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

If the kid didn't do it ... I drop the "0" on them, but then reality hits and they go back and do the learning. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

The scale should be equitable. An F should not cover 59%. A 100-81 B 80-61 C 60-41 D 40-21 F 20-0 #sunchat

In reply to @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

#sunchat

DavidPBLRoss Apr 19 @ 8:54 PM EDT

And we must provide a rationale: @OECDEduSkills The case for 21st-century learning https://t.co/GgLzwOvgw1 #P21Exemplar #SkillsForToday

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Involve Ss in the process. Let them breakdown standards. Share proficiency expectations ask them to explain their thinking #sunchat

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

The problem is that the zero is sooooo far from the passing grade of 60, 65 or 70 that schools use. It's too heavily weighted #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Grading is a struggle for me. Constantly trying to balance giving helpful individual feedback with not letting it take over life. #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

What about Homework? #snark #sunchat

In reply to @mssackstein

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Hard to capture w/character constraints. My work-around: Check out what @joykirr is up to, if you haven't. https://t.co/WVJscTrO1z #sunchat

In reply to @msdwater, @JoyKirr

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Shared communication w/parents (and students!) helps in ALL aspects of school. Not solely grades. #sunchat

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:10 AM EDT
I agree. More shared communication with parents to discuss student achievement is also a must. #sunchat
- theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat Grades are a poor stand in for more thorough and pointed feedback. Face time with S's is much more beneficial.

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Thank you for getting the credit out there. My apologies to @sstorm01 and his student! #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr, @sstorm01, @sstorm01

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Same. There are consequences in the real world. Pretending otherwise is damaging. It's about providing opportunities not ways out. #sunchat

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

If the kid didn't do it ... I drop the "0" on them, but then reality hits and they go back and do the learning. #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Kathleen, you've never joined us here before?? Prepare to be energized! #sunchat WELCOME!

In reply to @gilkatgil

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Grading = judgement Feedback = coaching I don't want to be a judge #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Give Ss a choice in how they demonstrate proficiency and let them defend their choice #metacognition #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

I'm always looking for original sources, so I thought I'd add that in for people who are looking for it later! ;D #sunchat

In reply to @MrU_ishere, @sstorm01

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Hi Lena! #sunchat

In reply to @Dr_LMR

SusZanti5 Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Model kindness-inclusivity-collaboration-caring #sunchat https://t.co/GgAxsCszQX

MediaShrink Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

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In reply to @DanaBashCNN, @jaketapper, @CNNSotu, @DickDurbin, @MarkSanford, @AppSame, @jaketapper, @CNN

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Yes...there should be opportunities for students to make-up. That was ALWAYS a must in my classroom. #sunchat

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

The problem is that the zero is sooooo far from the passing grade of 60, 65 or 70 that schools use. It's too heavily weighted #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

cpoole27 Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

Hi Amy! This Free 5 Day Gratitude Challenge for Teachers may be encouraging to you! https://t.co/6ZjM4q8JXE Just thought I'd share #sunchat

In reply to @AmyLynnRever

HIPAAEx Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

#Microsoft Removing Standalone #Office Features = Force #Office365 https://t.co/NlpabnxLlu #SundayMorning #sunchat #HIPAA #ColumbusOHio

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

Formative assessment with feedback allows student learning to be enhanced. Feedback drives learning above everything else, to me #sunchat

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT

Formative assessment in class and long term project based learning is how kids learn both collaboratively and independently #sunchat

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

....Or a 1-5 scale. Big numbers make things scary.... #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

It destroys hope. For me it meant I did not have to make it up. Zero held no fear, it got me off the hook. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

The problem with grades is that Ss want to jump thru hoops to get that A. Stifles creativity. #sunchat

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

Yes! Many feel this personal choice. Shifting thinking takes time and collaboration. #sunchat

In reply to @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

We give kids the language to understand and communicate learning in lieu of traditional grades and tests #sunchat

LeadtoFeed Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Thank you teachers for all that you do! #Sunchat https://t.co/15NLbM9H6v

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Small group with / writer's feedback circles. We are 1:1 on Chromebooks so any work on GDocs is accessible after hours too. #sunchat

In reply to @theedpodcast

TeachFangs Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

I look at it joy's way. They didn't apply, they can't quit. It's not a job or like a job. It's just work. #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr, @tiffanytruitt

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Here's my tab, April, w/my journey w/o grades: https://t.co/qwTuBY6WGL Thanks for sharing, Brian! #sunchat

In reply to @brianrozinsky, @msdwater

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

I do put a column in the grading program for homework as a whole each term - # done, partially done, not done... #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

What about Homework? #snark #sunchat
In reply to @mssackstein

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Fair enough, but what if they don't? I've taught many a student who would figure out this system real fast. #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

(Other side) They're not at a job yet. We are there to teach them how to get in the work. If they don't do the work, have them in. #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Ts created data notebooks for each student to provide evidence of student learning tied to standards #sunchat

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Useless! #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd

watertankmath Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Amen! @AmyLynnRever #sunchat #math #mtbos #homeschooling #swdmathchat #NMF2017

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Grading is a struggle for me. Constantly trying to balance giving helpful individual feedback with not letting it take over life. #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

I understand something-for-nothing dilemma but, if something is *still* a failing grade, I'm okay w/(say) 50 as zero alternative #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

I love how you have stated this so simply, Bonnie! This really resonates with me. #sunchat

In reply to @biologygoddess

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Hi there! Getting ready to go back from break! Need more time to finish some reading! My summer pile is getting huge! #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Agreed. The big Q becomes, what's the frequency & platform that turns convo into shared action while still allowing Ss freedom #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

Sad thing is, someone is going to be upset that their kid that got 100 gets the same grade as an 81 It's so embedded in the culture #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

We also do not have to score EVERYTHING, require Everything, cover Every standard. Lets focus on what is critical. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

I see so many Ss who feel the same way. Some will go all out for the grade, others just give up #sunchat

In reply to @MrDataGuy, @tiffanytruitt

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

I am "graded" ... I don't turn lesson plans on time ... I am marked down. It costs me "highly effective" #sunchat i'm like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

Important point but most people work because they have to. I also think we need to teach them about real world reality #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

One comment I've heard in response to this is as follows: For work, you choose to be there. For school, do kids choose? #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

No worries. The kid who wrote this will be shocked it's getting attention- she needs it. Thank you for sharing! #sunchat

In reply to @MrU_ishere, @JoyKirr

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

Are you assessing or evaluating? #sunchat

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

We need a post secondary application process that values student demonstrations of learning beside the numbers #sunchat

TeachFangs Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Bad grades don't teach responsibility or do much more than to jack up already tenuous relationships by overwhelmed Ss and Ts. #sunchat

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

I get a little nervous even considering grading behavior. #sunchat

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
If school us about measuring learning, zeros for attendance tell us nothing. Grade behavior separately from learning #sunchat
- tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT
  
  Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat
  
  mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Ps are grateful for communication throughout! Here's a 3-2-1 they are loving! My updated one includes my twitter handle & email #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Great point. #sunchat Let's be clear as to what our grading shows. What is a 75 in ELA? Reading? Writing? Comprehension? We need specifics.

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
If school us about measuring learning, zeros for attendance tell us nothing. Grade behavior separately from learning #sunchat
- tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT
  
  Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat
  
  mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Oh yes, I've known students like that, "Just give me the zero, Miss." #sunchat

In reply to @MrDataGuy, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

We don't give grades in elem. Start in 7th grade...the change in Ss is sad - anxiety goes up, creativity down. I hate it #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Homework is only for practice if given and should never be graded #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @mssackstein

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

Once you stop grading everything, the conversation has "learning" embedded in it now. We now practice skills we should be learning. #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

I've heard of 1-4 and 1-5, any reason for choosing 1-5 you care to share? I know less than nothing about the differences. Thanks! #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

And what about the Ss who does try and is upper F range. Not the same as not doing anything. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

watertankmath Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

This is good to see coming from a username like @MrDataGuy :-) #sunchat #math #mtbos #teachers #NMF2017 #hsclassroom

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

We also do not have to score EVERYTHING, require Everything, cover Every standard. Lets focus on what is critical. #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

If a kid is in a perpetual state of doing nothing there are bigger issues than whether or not they get a zero. #sunchat

rhonhigg Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

I think the key to balancing that is to involve the students in the process. #sunchat

In reply to @AmyLynnRever

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

I'm just not. I've worked in title 1 schools my whole career; my job is to prepare to be successful, and I don't believe this does. #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

I understand something-for-nothing dilemma but, if something is *still* a failing grade, I'm okay w/(say) 50 as zero alternative #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

sparking interest in topics that drive students to learn at home is a healthy alternative #sunchat

In reply to @mssackstein, @polonerd

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

Loved my friend's response to the challenges of grading. Even if you don't agree, it's a starting place 4 re-thinking the process. #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

The research is clear, grades as punishment do not work. #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Oh yes, I've known students like that, "Just give me the zero, Miss." #sunchat
In reply to @MrDataGuy, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

I understand & have lived this distinction. At same time, grades *are* form of feedback. What bugs me: how rarely we see past them #sunchat

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
I hate 'grading'! I love giving feedback and learning. #sunchat
- theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat Grades are a poor stand in for more thorough and pointed feedback. Face time with S's is much more beneficial.

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

We're having conversations about no longer grading/assessing any work done outside the classroom. If we don't know who did it???? #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

We also do not have to score EVERYTHING, require Everything, cover Every standard. Lets focus on what is critical. #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

Good morning #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

Happily rec'd comment from a parent that it "gives her something to talk about with her teen about related to school!" #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Ps are grateful for communication throughout! Here's a 3-2-1 they are loving! My updated one includes my twitter handle & email #sunchat
In reply to @JoyKirr

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

Also, it should be noted I gave zeros and had only 4 students in my ten years fail my class #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

I understand something-for-nothing dilemma but, if something is *still* a failing grade, I'm okay w/(say) 50 as zero alternative #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Many steps at work before you just don't get paid. How many? Could we make it be like that if we are saying it should be like work? #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Absolutely!! Behavior should never be part of an academic grade. #sunchat

In reply to @DaveWheeler11

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Agreed. We need to share our stories #sunchat

In reply to @_briank_, @nalang1

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

I love this idea...making it digital and collaborative where Ss and Parents can join in the reflections would be an added bonus #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT

Ts created data notebooks for each student to provide evidence of student learning tied to standards #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Hope this makes you feel better about that possibility being a reality. https://t.co/one9ySugLf #sunchat

In reply to @BeuckelareNic

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Ss will always work at a higher level for peer feedback than they will for a grade or for my feedback. #sunchat

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

I don't have the anecdotal behavior to back that up. It's about expectations. Hope building is something else. #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:14 AM EDT

It destroys hope. For me it meant I did not have to make it up. Zero held no fear, it got me off the hook. #sunchat
In reply to @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Really would rather be Mr. Assessment Guy but it does not work. Evidence of Learning guy is out too. #sunchat

In reply to @watertankmath

karenvaites Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

I've been collecting research on homework's lack of value in grades K-5. Anyone have strong research sources? #sunchat

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

My quiet goal every year ... to have kids NOT ask "How much is this worth?" When we are working on an activity. #sunchat

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Never and it should be differentiated based on need. Not every day #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8, @polonerd

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

I really liked the notion of INC and the overall average being withheld until work was submitted. Parents get in on it then too. #sunchat

In reply to @MrDataGuy

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

This. All of this! #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

We also do not have to score EVERYTHING, require Everything, cover Every standard. Lets focus on what is critical. #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

TeachFangs Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT

Why do Ts keep trying to get Ss to learn from their mistakes inst of teach them all the way through those mistakes? #flabbergasted #sunchat

cybraryman1 Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

My Assessments page https://t.co/OEDdXI9tqz Have you tried a 360-Degree Feedback Appraisal, Multi Rater Feedback, Peer Review? #sunchat

HIPAAEx Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

#USA vulnerable to North Korean cyber-attack https://t.co/JyYI9mhrhZ #SundayMorning #sunchat #HIPAA #ColumbusOHio #Hacked #Detroit #NYC

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

I prefer 1 - 5 because I use 3 as the average. For me 1 - 4 lacks that middle range. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

I agree, but I find it challenging to do that w/ beginning band students. So much basic skill building still happening. #sunchat

In reply to @rhonhigg

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

persistence & reasoning are winning at my school, HW and exams are slowly phasing out #sunchat

In reply to @Dr_LMR, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

So, maybe, the most important conversation we have is how do we encourage these students? #sunchat

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

I see so many Ss who feel the same way. Some will go all out for the grade, others just give up #sunchat
In reply to @MrDataGuy, @tiffanytruitt

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

#sunchat Starr always shares fabulous 21stC 4Cs!!!

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 16 @ 6:45 AM EDT

Traditional Grading Habits Drive Me Crazy! https://t.co/Z3NGwHqlaw

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

Fair point, Tiffany. You're speaking to other key issues of how grade book is structured, weighted. 1/2 #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

In a system where behavior is graded separately, how do shift the perception? Grades 'matter' so how do we get behavior to 'matter' #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

Love @burgessdave Gift Shop analogy for this https://t.co/uXnmeKvQj2 #sunchat

In reply to @BeuckelareNic, @mssackstein, @burgessdave

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

#sunchat

edutopia Apr 20 @ 9:10 PM EDT

5 flexible grading practices that create hope for students: https://t.co/NyDj4OcNz1. #assessment

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

Truth. Just seen so much growth between 0-59% this year, but Ss just see the F. 30% growth is AMAZING, not failure. #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd

JimSarto Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

#sunchat Training on continuity of grading? 2 many variables per t's per school, per district, etc. The 10ths count just before graduation

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

Your quiet goal and my loud one! Two questions you can't ask me: 1) How much is it worth? 2) When is it due? Let's savor learning! #sunchat

In reply to @DennisDill

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

#sunchat

RoweRikW Apr 20 @ 9:45 AM EDT

"We've shifted from grading projects with points to providing constructive and collaborative feedback with Ss." https://t.co/RHbZESMbyd

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

Yes! Balance & self-care so important! I enjoyed Spring Break too! Fabulous weather for outdoor activities! Ready 4 next 8 weeks 😆 #sunchat

theteachernme Apr 21 @ 5:10 PM EDT

Updated message on my blog. Check it out! #satchat #sunchat https://t.co/3ep6vVB6AV via @weebly

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

...turning in lesson plans late is not the same as not turning them in. #sunchat

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

I am "graded" ... I don't turn lesson plans on time ... I am marked down. It costs me "highly effective" #sunchat i'm like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

Exactly. Getting rid of grades does just that. They feel less stressed & judged -motivating many of them #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

When I enter work as missing (e.g., absence), it temporarily counts as zero, and that sure gets Ss' and families' attention :) 2/2 #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

Exactly - how do we change the culture of grading for students and the parents, not just the teachers? #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

I have earned those days. They aren't just given to me. #sunchat

WillCounty92 Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

If you dont show up Wednesday, you still get paid for Thurs and Fri. Not so with zeros. One mistake should not preordain failure.
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

I have heard it said that removing the middle makes it necessary to make an informed choice (no lumping into the middle). Thoughts? #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

watertankmath Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

Great comment @msdwater #sunchat #math #mtbos #sahm #NMF2017 #NCTMannual

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

In a system where behavior is graded separately, how do shift the perception? Grades 'matter' so how do we get behavior to 'matter' #sunchat

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

I have a hard time with the “No zero” policy. If I have a 10 pt assign., if a student does half, I give them 5 pts. … #sunchat

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

Our exploratory team created a "habits of mind" rubric to guide assessment. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

intriguing concept with merit. #sunchat

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

Don't, if you teach those skills assessing them is the right thing to do. Build rubrics for attendance, teach S's why it's important, assess
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

0s in 0-100 = nonsense. But neither do percent grades. I get 6 out of 10 right. 60% is devastating yet I got more right than wrong #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

YES! Join @AaronSBlackwel1 @MikeSzczepanik & many more by giving feedback instead of grades! More growth shown/learning occurring! #sunchat

In reply to @JamieArmin, @AaronSBlackwel1, @MikeSzczepanik

TeachFangs Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

Me too. Is behavior aeven listed in the curriculum we are supposed to follow? #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

he still gets five points? Doesn’t seem fair… #sunchat

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

Can you believe I have students working on passion projects - not one kid has asked about a grade #sunchat and by the way-they are awesome

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

Yes. I totally agree it's not perfect. #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

Fair point, Tiffany. You're speaking to other key issues of how grade book is structured, weighted. 1/2 #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

My Ss either love or hate that I have no strict due dates and encourage redos, no zeros here, just work #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @MrDataGuy, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

This is where the call or note or email home becomes critical. When the T says "Look at THAT growth!" we change the conversation. #sunchat

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

Truth. Just seen so much growth between 0-59% this year, but Ss just see the F. 30% growth is AMAZING, not failure. #sunchat
In reply to @polonerd

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

That's the rationale when creating surveys. Forces a decision. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @carlameyrink, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

I put feedback on behavior (such as being prepared for class w/a book) in the online gradebook. No grade attached. Feedback only. #sunchat

In reply to @TeachFangs, @tiffanytruitt

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

YES!! -BIG culture change is needed. Need full district support to make sure that Ps are informed. Evening presentations? buy in? #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:16 AM EDT

Sad thing is, someone is going to be upset that their kid that got 100 gets the same grade as an 81 It's so embedded in the culture #sunchat
In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

The last time I weighed in on K-5 homework I got my wrist slapped. I would love to get in on these sources too! #sunchat

In reply to @karenvaites

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

Keep Students Accountable with Weekly Class Logs - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/PX6AqmQTry #sunchat

WillCounty92 Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

So we have tougher standards for kids than adults? I'm not saying there shouldn't be consequences, but they should be proportionate #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

Make a Bold Move, Give up Grades https://t.co/sNgoCcImgY #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Couldn't agree more. What if growth was the grade? I know it's extremely difficult to measure growth, but it enforces what is vital #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Hi all, parent tuning in.... Absolutely! Love everything about it: the tech. The parent engagement/collaboration. The reflection. #sunchat

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:19 AM EDT
I love this idea...making it digital and collaborative where Ss and Parents can join in the reflections would be an added bonus #sunchat
- AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:15 AM EDT
  
  Ts created data notebooks for each student to provide evidence of student learning tied to standards #sunchat

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

I can see that - but I personally prefer to have a not acceptable, acceptable, above expectations range - 2 & 4 give me wiggle room #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

well ... sometimes they're late and sometimes they just don't get turned in. Doesn't mean they don't exist. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

We start slowly, teach to everyone how the culture of school can be better and we have the convos about our beliefs. Takes time #sunchat

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

Exactly - how do we change the culture of grading for students and the parents, not just the teachers? #sunchat
In reply to @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Yes. This. Exactly. Leads to conversations about how students feel about work and my class. What's the underlying issues? #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:21 AM EDT

When I enter work as missing (e.g., absence), it temporarily counts as zero, and that sure gets Ss' and families' attention :) 2/2 #sunchat
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Dropping Grades One Baby Step at a Time - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/HGpCounh2R #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

I have my own admin. support, but am on an island in school. Still worth it,as long as I keep communicating to Ps on regular basis. #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Yes. The scale sets Ss up to fail. #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8, @polonerd, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

There are great digital tools for that purpose. My Ts weren't quite ready for the tech challenge. That's a next step #sunchat

In reply to @BeuckelareNic

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

that's how HW grading is to kids. They know it doesn't really show what they know.... just following a rule. #sunchat

In reply to @DennisDill, @tiffanytruitt

Dan_Cox Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Standards, Grades And Tests Are Wildly Outdated, Argues 'End Of Average' https://t.co/h3PZXCOEEj #edchat #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

I can believe it because we did the same last year. The #passionproject is an amazing way to redirect attention from the gradebook! #sunchat

In reply to @sstorm01

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Some don't. But then we must try to understand why? Reach out. #sunchat

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

I did this from the start of my career years ago. My struggle were the students who didn't take advantage of the opportunities.

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Success and failure in learning are trajectories, not one time events. Our job is to break that cycle. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Time to Put My Beliefs to the Test: Starting a New No Grades Classroom -Education Week Teacher https://t.co/JqMy8lIvAQ #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

Lots of proactive dialogue & I advise clear, shared expectations (maybe even contractually delineated) as run up to making changes. #sunchat

In reply to @msdwater, @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

I don't really see why we need to be forced to take a decision in a grade though. Sometimes work is just plain "good enough" #sunchat

In reply to @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

There is no evidence to support HW in elementary and little to no to support it in MS @alfiekohn #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @karenvaites, @alfiekohn

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

I wish I loved giving feedback, but I labor over it and wonder how effective it is...not that I like grading either...#sunchat

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
I hate 'grading'! I love giving feedback and learning. #sunchat
- theedpodcast Apr 23 @ 9:07 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat Grades are a poor stand in for more thorough and pointed feedback. Face time with S's is much more beneficial.

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

This sounds amazing! I hope you post about your next steps! #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8, @BeuckelareNic

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

I was a C-D guy in Math ... not bcuz I didn't understand, but bcuz I didn't turn in the work or didn't show my work. #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

Eliminate the Grades, Change the Educational System https://t.co/BKxSwUjqY0 #sunchat

ShawnaCoppola Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

Hey, #sunchat, I see some chatter about homework. Some resources: https://t.co/elkUm8yiry

gwenhilliard Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

Very interesting. #edtech #HackLearning #edchat #sunchat #edtechchat #education @TechInst

cultofpedagogy Apr 23 @ 7:13 AM EDT

What to Do on Lame Duck School Days https://t.co/OExZRanPOT

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

I have my students create their own schedules w/ embedded reflection to steer their learning choices #sunchat #LATIC https://t.co/n8uR3Mqbeb

In reply to @mssackstein

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

I love the impact it has - when I don't also attach a grade, as well. Feedback given is for students to act further - and most DO! #sunchat

In reply to @gilkatgil

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Changing the Conversation: Grades vs Learning - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/KW0dmr6g9K #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Well put. The biggest push back I've seen in schools shifting away from grades is from parents who admitttedly don't understand why #sunchat

In reply to @brianrozinsky, @msdwater, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

As a parent, I'd love it if I ever received a Twitter handle on Day 1 rather than me searching for it (and it's usually not there). #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT

Ps are grateful for communication throughout! Here's a 3-2-1 they are loving! My updated one includes my twitter handle & email #sunchat
In reply to @JoyKirr

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Yes, - a lot of countries do this. #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

It sure does, and in Ontario conversations are starting too! Promising for the future, how do we start now? #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd

burgessdave Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Thanks, Sean! #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @BeuckelareNic, @mssackstein

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

A Recovering Perfectionist's Journey To Give Up Grades | Starr Sackstein | TEDxYouth@BHS - YouTube https://t.co/ipi7nbxNpj #sunchat

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

So, what is the reason you begin in 7th? would your system from Elementary work in MS, Carla? #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Even when they've been giving explanations through the mail - many don't read them. Ugh. #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @brianrozinsky, @msdwater, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

As AP, I go to S & celebrate growth. Make huge deal out of progress & acknowledge letter grade doesn't tell story. #sunchat

In reply to @MrU_ishere

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Not a big fan of homework in general... #sunchat

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

that's how HW grading is to kids. They know it doesn't really show what they know.... just following a rule. #sunchat
In reply to @DennisDill, @tiffanytruitt

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

Well when you put it like that! I see what you mean. :) #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

Why do I get a panic in my chest when I hear talk about getting rid of grades? Admin requires them.. #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

If we are learning all year the final scores should not be an average of all the learning that has occurred. That seems inaccurate. #sunchat

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

True. I just took a licensure test and was given the grade of "hey that's good enough" without a specific number grade. #sunchat #worksforme

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

I don't really see why we need to be forced to take a decision in a grade though. Sometimes work is just plain "good enough" #sunchat
In reply to @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

karenvaites Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

I know acclaimed district @VancouverSD revised HW policy after research review. Adding @525layne @SuptVPS #sunchat https://t.co/CSWTRzQlFC

In reply to @sstorm01, @lesliefarooq, @alfiekohn, @VancouverSD, @525layne, @SuptVPS

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

That's a whole other can of worms! Try to only give small bite-sized amounts of feedback - Ss can't focus on more anyway #sunchat

In reply to @AmyLynnRever

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

Admin requires them when? At the end of the quarter? Mine does, too, but only to communicate w/Ps. So I put feedback in gradebook #sunchat

In reply to @MrsTLMarinelli

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

Thanks Jamie. It's a topic I care deeply about #sunchat

In reply to @JamieArmin

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

No reason. It could actually be 1-3 (progressing, meets, exceeds against standard).... Anything is better than current scale. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @carlameyrink, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

@polonerd Yes! Ss are making monumental gains yet remain labeled failure. #sunchat

In reply to @mounder_rudolph, @polonerd

WillCounty92 Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

..and sets up a system where the presence of zeros ensures that grade does not reflect level of mastery. #statistics #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @AustinELA8, @polonerd, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

I use #singlepointrubric for most work so simple for me and Ss #sunchat @cultofpedagogy

In reply to @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

We are required to turn them in every 4 weeks or so and have our grade book updated weekly for P communication #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr

RoweRikW Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

#sunchat #EdChatMA

mwholloway Apr 21 @ 10:27 AM EDT

Our #coteachat colleagues are taking a twitter field trip to join Tuesday's #edchatma on inclusive practices! #CEC17 #MAEdu

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

Yes! #sunchat

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:25 AM EDT

I have my students create their own schedules w/ embedded reflection to steer their learning choices #sunchat #LATIC https://t.co/n8uR3Mqbeb
In reply to @mssackstein

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

I'm pushing it with our year 9s. Trying to get Ss started in @Schoology w/ portfolios. They can be exported when it's time to apply #sunchat

In reply to @BeuckelareNic, @Schoology

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

We can bring parents into the fold by helping them become involved & learn what our grades mean #sunchat @teenection https://t.co/6wUbDznaYc

In reply to @susankotch, @teenection

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

Notable on-boarding needed here. Many families, in my experience, used to/expect grades. See their role as carrot/stick wielders. #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

We're with you, Amy! One bit at a time. Makes me wish I had these kids for two years. Takes time. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @AmyLynnRever

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:28 AM EDT

Same here Joy! Others are joining in! Communication is defintely key! Small steps will get everyone there! #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:24 AM EDT

I have my own admin. support, but am on an island in school. Still worth it,as long as I keep communicating to Ps on regular basis. #sunchat
In reply to @susankotch

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

We need grades in secondary (for univ) & we want to give them 2 yrs to get used to them before it affects the transcript #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

You know, my (rare 😉) experience as a student on the college level was "incomplete." We can certainly allow it for children. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @MrDataGuy

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

They get daily in-class feedback, but bite-sized for 45 individuals can still take a lot of time. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink

barberchicago Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

This is helpful. I've moved toward 4, 3, 2, 1 rather than %, but need to systemize my feedback. I give it, but need Ss to track. #sunchat

In reply to @mssackstein

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

check out this #ivyleague school's approach to grading https://t.co/2urmZZYPcU #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @carlameyrink

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

Four weeks is at midterm - not bad! I have midterm surveys then conferences w/students to determine midterm grade. Could that work? #sunchat

In reply to @MrsTLMarinelli

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

We tell kids to not judge themselves against others, but all they do is compare the numbers on their papers. Numbers need to GO! #sunchat

In reply to @MrU_ishere

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

But I do see both sides of the argument. This is just the choice I made #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

I try to be targeted: one thing I am looking for (a skill, word usage, etc.) and one thing the Student wants me to look at. #sunchat

In reply to @gilkatgil

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

Great point. It all comes down to knowing the students! #sunchat

In reply to @tiffanytruitt

PledgeCents Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Successful fundraiser update & raised BEYOND her goal! 😍 @SBISD https://t.co/rRU9Ds0sV3 #edchat #sunchat #teacherlife #teaching #education

LeadtoFeed Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

"When I think about the best teachers I ever had, I always trusted them." Leadership Insights: https://t.co/LgMLtWFHUs #edchat #sunchat

animaniacnews Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

#sunchat , #ThereForYouTroye , #RunGlassCity , #TVWEEKLogies , #RunAsOne4M , #IM703Peru , #frenchelection , Jane Yolen

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Mm hm. Echoes of Ss noting grade & ignoring any other feedback. Apples not falling far from trees -- a vast cultural orchard. #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr, @polonerd, @msdwater, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

No, we’re required to hit a button in our district wide grade book. We have online grade books for P & S communication. #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Yes. Even f2f Ps struggle to understand that 30% growth is huge even if the grade so shows F. #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr, @polonerd, @brianrozinsky

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Misconception that giving 0s means FAILURE for all kids. 10 years teaching = 4 kids failed. 4. Like life, EDU isn't about absolutes #sunchat

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

im all about changing the classroom for better student learning .. https://t.co/9o07GfabBn #sunchat #hacklearning #21stedchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Brings up the ideas of most recent and most representative. If this practice is employed the odd zero is likely to omitted anyway. #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

I like this! #sunchat

In reply to @biologygoddess, @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

karenvaites Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Also @alicekeeler speaks of #DitchHW often. Any fab research sources on homework in K-5, @alicekeeler? #sunchat

In reply to @sstorm01, @lesliefarooq, @alfiekohn, @VancouverSD, @525layne, @SuptVPS, @alicekeeler, @alicekeeler

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Similar! I give a suggested due date, ask for volunteers to go first for presentations, etc #sunchat #pbl #pblchat

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:23 AM EDT

My Ss either love or hate that I have no strict due dates and encourage redos, no zeros here, just work #sunchat
In reply to @lesliefarooq, @MrDataGuy, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

ShawnaCoppola Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

https://t.co/JH5LvQcI1r #sunchat #homework

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

We can conference too, but grades are what we are evaluated on. Ts have been targeted for ‘too many Fs’, but Ss targeted too. #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:30 AM EDT

Interested in hearing more about this #sunchat

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:29 AM EDT

We have spent 3 years defining how SBG and teaching can change our culture . It's different and a couple veteran T's not there yet. Its ok
In reply to @tiffanytruitt

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

I've written about that. Kids need to be in charge for sure #sunchat

In reply to @barberchicago

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

100 products coming in every time I assign a task - for authentic #pbl and research-based work, it can pile up if I'm not careful! #sunchat

In reply to @AmyLynnRever, @carlameyrink

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Very similar to performance review in corporate world. Causes Ss to reflect on what they've learned and how they've grown. Love it! #sunchat

In reply to @JoyKirr, @MrsTLMarinelli

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Every S must succeed! Coach them through the project, do not accept failure #sunchat

RoweRikW Apr 20 @ 9:45 AM EDT

"We've shifted from grading projects with points to providing constructive and collaborative feedback with Ss." https://t.co/RHbZESMbyd

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Love that 'vast cultural orchard.' #sunchat

In reply to @brianrozinsky, @polonerd, @msdwater, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Agreed. I have felt this push(back) and am pondering how to manage better w/Ss & families the next times around. #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @msdwater, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Oh yes, this works very well. I got into it last year for a few of our new rubrics. Thanks for the reminder! So much easier! #sunchat

In reply to @biologygoddess, @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

#sunchat ?? on doing away w/grades @ times? Focusing more on Tt to Ss & Ss to Ss actionable feedback hence a focus on the learning process?

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Powerful! Similar on this end with #geniushour #pbl So awesome to see their enthusiasm for learning! #sunchat

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

Can you believe I have students working on passion projects - not one kid has asked about a grade #sunchat and by the way-they are awesome

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

Think about how grades have been used as punishment. They should only report a S's learning of a specific skill. #sunchat

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

Involve doesn't necessarily mean lead, or that they'd have a role in deciding a grade. But they deserve to be part of the process. #sunchat

In reply to @AmyLynnRever, @rhonhigg

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

Ugh. Yes. Same. #sunchat

PMcPeake1 Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

The words "show your work' still sends chills up my spine.
In reply to @DennisDill, @tiffanytruitt

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

needs to be limits tho - work should be building on itself to teach higher-order concepts - late work = missing steps/understanding #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @MrDataGuy

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

Yes, when it comes to 1-5 or 1-4 I am more likely to be asking, "Well, which are we using?" than leading the decision-making charge #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

So very true. It creates a sense of hopelessness. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

This is true. And imagine those LAsecondary Ts with 120 kids - I think in class feedback is far more important anyway. #sunchat

In reply to @AmyLynnRever

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:33 AM EDT

No easy road to changing a culture. Tell kids you are sending a note home to A's parent bc of growth. B will want to up her game. #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:33 AM EDT

Our elem school uses standards based report cards, keep hoping it will creep up into my middle school. #sunchat

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:33 AM EDT

And if the teacher just continually gives zeroes, then they are also in a perpetual state of doing nothing. #sunchat

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:18 AM EDT

If a kid is in a perpetual state of doing nothing there are bigger issues than whether or not they get a zero. #sunchat

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:33 AM EDT

..which is why the district needs to be in support. They need to be educated in whys and hows to move away from it. #sunchat @MrsTLMarinelli

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:27 AM EDT

Why do I get a panic in my chest when I hear talk about getting rid of grades? Admin requires them.. #sunchat

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

Thanks #sunchat for this morning's debate. Great to talk about edu issues with people I admire and respect. #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

Such respectful conversations going on regarding grades this morning on #sunchat! I've got to go. My journey here: https://t.co/0XuQSsT6dT

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

as long as parents are educated as to how to interpret them - Ss and Ps can be in for a shock when grades do finally show up! #sunchat

In reply to @gilkatgil

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

As a teacher-when working HW w/my kids often they need help & I can provide. But what about families that can't? Classroom matters #sunchat

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

I'm trying to have our school admin & tech add the bird symbol next to our teacher webpage connection with staff names! #sunchat

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT
As a parent, I'd love it if I ever received a Twitter handle on Day 1 rather than me searching for it (and it's usually not there). #sunchat
- JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT
  
  Ps are grateful for communication throughout! Here's a 3-2-1 they are loving! My updated one includes my twitter handle & email #sunchat
  In reply to @JoyKirr

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

Same here - district has opened the convo and working to have common practices. Competency based in HS. #sunchat

In reply to @gilkatgil

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

When Ss cheat on test and receive 0.. 1. Why do Ss feel need to cheat? 2. Why are we giving tests they can cheat on? 3. Why use 0? #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8

karenvaites Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

This Q is close to home. My 5YO's dad favors a gifted & talented school w/ 2.5 hrs homework/week in KINDERGARDEN. 😳 Save THIS kid! #sunchat

In reply to @jessdeede

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

I still see MANY teachers do this & still hear "then they will just get an F"...smh #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

I have 220 over five classes, that 40-45 is average per class. :) We do a lot of in class assessing of our progress. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

What about kids that get it (with evidence of learning) BEFORE the homework? Do they still need to get the homework in #sunchat

In reply to @SoperWritings, @lesliefarooq

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

Thanks for sharing! Have a great day! 😊 #sunchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

Such respectful conversations going on regarding grades this morning on #sunchat! I've got to go. My journey here: https://t.co/0XuQSsT6dT

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

@tguskey believes smaller rubrics= a more narrow focus specific to learning. Less subjectivity is a plus in my opinion. #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

Yes, when it comes to 1-5 or 1-4 I am more likely to be asking, "Well, which are we using?" than leading the decision-making charge #sunchat
In reply to @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

rashidfdavis Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

#sunchat #hacklearning #edchat #edtechchat #suptchat #soulchat #globaledchat #globaled #STEM #cte #brooklyn #thisweek #today #otd #free

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

This speaks to the problem of the 0-100% grading system. How is anything under 60% failing when you're supposed to be learning? #sunchat

In reply to @Dr_LMR, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

Passion projects are awesome #sunchat

In reply to @JamieArmin

GetRagbags Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

Ragbags can carry the plants Earth Day inspired you to buy. #AprilShowersBring more flowers. #Sunchat #SundayMorning https://t.co/JuovWAhG6P

AmyLynnRever Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

Thanks for the thinking this AM. Time to go walk my cabin-fever dogs before mowing the lawn! :) #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

Bingo - that's why other ways to represent learning beyond reductive letters are grails worth chasing in my estimation. #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @JoyKirr, @polonerd

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

If my husband presents just a cup of coffee in the morning, then he's got the passing grade for that day! #sunchat

In reply to @biologygoddess, @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

Agreed! #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

Another great idea - training Ss to give each other meanitngul feedback. We use protocols & it's awesome! #sunchat https://t.co/zGuU4kaLcu

In reply to @AmyLynnRever

ShawnaCoppola Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

#sunchat #homework

DJFTLL Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

To Boost Higher-Order Thinking, Try Curation via @joevans https://t.co/o2acxd2R6P #sunchat #colchat #21stedchat #cpchat #leadupchat

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:36 AM EDT

Passion Projects Ignite Student Interest - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/8e4S5QW3ie #sunchat

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

Sharing "home versions" of our best practices w parents can go a long way - #ittakesavilliage #sunchat #moreedu https://t.co/ergvQUGETi

In reply to @RHfan2zzo

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

Hahaha - yes! #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @biologygoddess, @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

Mine would be rated exemplary! 😊 #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @biologygoddess, @carlameyrink, @lesliefarooq, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

I make my own coffee and my husband still passes each day. I think we need a rubric! :D #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @biologygoddess, @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

MrsTLMarinelli Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

Funnily enough, I have to go ‘grade’ my AP essays (score/evaluate better). Have a great Sunday #sunchat! The end of the year draws near!

MikeSzczepanik Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

It has been a whirlwind of ideas and collaborations - really looking forward to more and more #feedback #sunchat #TG2 #sblchat

JoyKirr Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

YES! Join @AaronSBlackwel1 @MikeSzczepanik & many more by giving feedback instead of grades! More growth shown/learning occurring! #sunchat
In reply to @JamieArmin, @AaronSBlackwel1, @MikeSzczepanik

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

Boom! #sunchat

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

This speaks to the problem of the 0-100% grading system. How is anything under 60% failing when you're supposed to be learning? #sunchat
In reply to @Dr_LMR, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

#sunchat

In reply to @DennisDill

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

And w/ current grading scale, how are we measuring growth for Ss who always get 100s? #sunchat

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

We need on line systems that accommodate other than the numeric grading scales. Investment by District is needed for 21st century. #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:38 AM EDT

If this is happening it is reflection time, is our assessment practice about promoting learning or passing judgement? #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

When Ss cheat on test and receive 0.. 1. Why do Ss feel need to cheat? 2. Why are we giving tests they can cheat on? 3. Why use 0? #sunchat
In reply to @AustinELA8

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:38 AM EDT

Thanks for fast & lively #sunchat this a.m.! Feel free to continue chiming in! Plz send topics 2 me @mssackstein @susankotch @tiffanytruitt

DJFTLL Apr 23 @ 9:38 AM EDT

#sunchat colleague Dean J. Fusto's Huffington Post feature on #globaled and #teaching #learning #innovation https://t.co/hXTpwUMpN5

JoeHNewYork Apr 23 @ 9:38 AM EDT

On #WorldBookDay look up pervert and you'll find #Podesta image below it #Sundaymorning #sunchat #FoxSunday #Mediabuzz #AMJoy #ThisWeek

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In reply to @ecw0522

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:38 AM EDT

The focus is on reflection continued improvement, if there is not 100% there is always more to learn #sunchat

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:31 AM EDT

#sunchat ?? on doing away w/grades @ times? Focusing more on Tt to Ss & Ss to Ss actionable feedback hence a focus on the learning process?

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

What's the saying about homework, "If they can do it then it isn't useful and if they can't do it then it isn't fair." #sunchat

In reply to @MrDataGuy, @SoperWritings

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

Yes, look at this - it's an awesome resource! #sunchat

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:12 AM EDT

Hard to capture w/character constraints. My work-around: Check out what @joykirr is up to, if you haven't. https://t.co/WVJscTrO1z #sunchat
In reply to @msdwater, @JoyKirr

PMcPeake1 Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

I'm reading Ungifted. It talks about how we arrived at those numbers in the first place and how misleading they are. Eye opener. #sunchat

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

Because they're easy to grade. #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @AustinELA8

sstorm01 Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

that's from the school paper - Harvard has also been moving that way. i've heard it on college visits #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @carlameyrink

JamieArmin - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

Running #geniushour week in June for my 7th! Excited to see what they will explore & create in our #pbl classroom environment! #sunchat

mssackstein - Moderator Apr 23 @ 9:35 AM EDT

Passion projects are awesome #sunchat
In reply to @JamieArmin

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

Do educators and school leaders know what parents think? I'm with you on the shift, but how do you make other parent voices matter? #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:26 AM EDT

Well put. The biggest push back I've seen in schools shifting away from grades is from parents who admitttedly don't understand why #sunchat
In reply to @brianrozinsky, @msdwater, @CarrieAnnTripp, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

BeuckelareNic Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

Thanks for the conversation on my favourite topic today #sunchat I hope everyone has a fantastic day!

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

This can be very powerful! Uses lots of critical thinking & metacognitive skills. Love observing this! #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @AmyLynnRever

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:39 AM EDT

Lets become students of our teaching #sunchat

MsGrotrian Apr 23 @ 9:40 AM EDT

Looking for ideas on how to teach our new terrorism unit #sschat #sunchat

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:40 AM EDT

Which is wonderful - now I hope they'll start allowing our transcripts to look the same #sunchat

In reply to @sstorm01, @susankotch

DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:40 AM EDT

a zero usually prompts the "Oh Shiznit" moment ... zeroes come after reminding students to turn in work. and sometimes a call home #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:40 AM EDT

How do we measure growth for any S's in current grading scale? Accumulate points and creating an Ave. tells us zero about growth. #sunchat

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:37 AM EDT

And w/ current grading scale, how are we measuring growth for Ss who always get 100s? #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:40 AM EDT

This sounds like a great modification to make to the traditional 'review week.' #sunchat

In reply to @PMcPeake1, @JeremyDBond, @MrDataGuy

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:40 AM EDT

#sunchat trending again this Sunday! Join us next week to have open, honest, and lively debates about our passion: education.

VHS_TchrCoach Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

Side note to grading: Would be nice if teacher evaluations were more focused on improvement and feedback than scores. #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

Would love to use this to flip current Career Day. Bring in professionals as authentic audience. Not presenting but giving feedback #sunchat

In reply to @mssackstein

Dr_LMR Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

Have a great day! 😊 #sunchat

In reply to @JamieArmin, @mssackstein, @susankotch, @tiffanytruitt

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

I know if I get a 0 in my ABQ #biology right now I will be devastated, and I am an adult. #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

Well, based on today's discussions, in the 21st century, there will be no HW, no grading (just feedback) and lots of Parent confs! #sunchat

MrDataGuy Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

I think there are other options, reinforcing learning, but you summed up the problem, especially at the elem. level. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @SoperWritings

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

This is another huge issue. #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp

Erik_Youngman Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

#sunchat

vianatural_ Apr 18 @ 5:01 PM EDT

Never stop learning or asking questions #Quotes #Motivation #ViaNatural #MyUniversalVIP

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

There's something to be said for being something different than "average." We don't strive for that in life. #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:22 AM EDT

I have heard it said that removing the middle makes it necessary to make an informed choice (no lumping into the middle). Thoughts? #sunchat
In reply to @carlameyrink, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

DJFTLL Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

5 Good Ways for Students to Create Digital Showcases of Their Work via @joevans https://t.co/arw4RAV1Oy #edtech #sunchat #tlchat #k12

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

My HW view-Just bc a teacher can doesn't mean they should & if it's so important why isn't it being done in class so I can monitor? #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

I'd love to play "Ask Why 5 times" on this one" @kimdarche Pretty sure I know what we'd get down to. #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @AustinELA8, @kimdarche

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

Amen!! Getting there with Marzano tool in our district!! Another mindset shift for T's though. #sunchat

VHS_TchrCoach Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

Side note to grading: Would be nice if teacher evaluations were more focused on improvement and feedback than scores. #sunchat

cheffernan75 Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

#worldgeochat Preview Post! Taking Action in #Geography #sschat #globaledchat #sunchat #tlap https://t.co/JV4ebeVyhe

worldgeochat Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

#worldgeochat Preview Post! Taking Action in #Geography #sschat #globaledchat #sunchat #tlap https://t.co/qgao5XaWqt

ecasey77 Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

#worldgeochat Preview Post! Taking Action in #Geography #sschat #globaledchat #sunchat #tlap https://t.co/wD5E2msEcA

SamMandeville Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

#worldgeochat Preview Post! Taking Action in #Geography #sschat #globaledchat #sunchat #tlap https://t.co/MxXU5oIpPc

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

Yes. Pre & post tests both = 100% means no growth. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:43 AM EDT

#TES, this is a great thought #sunchat

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:42 AM EDT

My HW view-Just bc a teacher can doesn't mean they should & if it's so important why isn't it being done in class so I can monitor? #sunchat

karenvaites Apr 23 @ 9:43 AM EDT

I do love reading about student-led P-T conferences! Wanna see this in action. #sunchat #cpchat https://t.co/GCZLzT20Wj

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:43 AM EDT

Many of our parents are frightened by our no-grades elementary. It takes a lot of P training to help them understand #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:43 AM EDT

Side note? Hardly. My eyes see another crux of broader cultural dynamics that require closer inspection & purposeful adjustment. #sunchat

VHS_TchrCoach Apr 23 @ 9:41 AM EDT

Side note to grading: Would be nice if teacher evaluations were more focused on improvement and feedback than scores. #sunchat

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:43 AM EDT

Unfortunately, yes, but I like to point out the elephant. ;) #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8, @polonerd

shirky17 Apr 23 @ 9:43 AM EDT

#sunchat if they got 100% on pretest...why did they post test?? why did they do the lesson?

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @carlameyrink

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

Too many times we just make a shift or decision without involving parents first. They're questions need to be heard & answered #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

TeachThoughtPD Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

Dear Parents: Here’s What You Should Know About Letter Grades - TeachThought PD https://t.co/hxK3Y9WDoE #sunchat #k12

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

Yes, I am thinking at the elem level on this. I don't assign HW for the sake of it, but if seniors don't finish in class...#sunchat

In reply to @MrDataGuy, @SoperWritings

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

3 out of 6 Twitter users agree with that statement. #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

How much choice do you have in what's graded, anyway? Parents and students sometimes never get that explanation. Helps to know why. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

piqueglobal Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

#sunchat Pop global Brasil! https://t.co/4JC0DhaBLg

LeadtoFeed Apr 23 @ 9:45 AM EDT

Lead2Feed has the best teachers in the world! https://t.co/ZjaOLX6bNQ #edchat #sunchat

DJFTLL Apr 23 @ 9:45 AM EDT

How to build an Effective Team: focus on just 3 things via @RogerFrancis1 https://t.co/Y2FW6p9hsp #leadupchat #cpchat #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:45 AM EDT

It's unfortunate that we continue to want to boil a young mind down to a number. A number that removes their interesting details. #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond, @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

shirky17 Apr 23 @ 9:45 AM EDT

#sunchat read Mass Customized Learning https://t.co/dPe8WHWimz

In reply to @susankotch

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:45 AM EDT

We do give our Ts feedback, no scores. Scores would be too scary #sunchat

In reply to @VHS_TchrCoach

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

#sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @AustinELA8

TeachFangs Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

If protest is 100%, teacher is obligated to teach new insights instead of elements the Ss already demonstrated proficiency. #sunchat

In reply to @shirky17, @CarrieAnnTripp, @carlameyrink

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

I like that in theory... perhaps it helps achieve equity. I do wonder if fairness should be a factor. (Some stuck with more work.) #sunchat

In reply to @mssackstein, @AustinELA8, @polonerd

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

I'm w/you, Susan. Navigating online grade-book where I work (Infinite Campus) feels like constant dance of square pegs, round holes #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

At what age do you suggest we set the stage for this 'push' as a replacement for white space and allowing them to play? #sunchat

In reply to @SoperWritings, @MrDataGuy

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

Because we have to turn data tracker into state. #sunchat & it shows that teacher isn't moving Ss because it measures growth.

In reply to @shirky17

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:46 AM EDT

We need educators, admins & parents who are willing to put grades in their place. #sunchat Until that happens, there's no seeing past 'em.

In reply to @brianrozinsky

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:47 AM EDT

True. When a new S comes to my school, the # grades don't tell me anything. 75 - bright but didn't care? Struggling, hard worker? #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:47 AM EDT

I'm going to guess it means entirely different things by subject, teacher, test... mood. #sunchat

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT
Great point. #sunchat Let's be clear as to what our grading shows. What is a 75 in ELA? Reading? Writing? Comprehension? We need specifics.
- DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
  
  If school us about measuring learning, zeros for attendance tell us nothing. Grade behavior separately from learning #sunchat
  
  tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT
  
  Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat
  
  mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:48 AM EDT

my husband makes me a french press carafe every morning, I think he's up to something :) #sunchat

In reply to @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @lesliefarooq, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2, @cultofpedagogy

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:48 AM EDT

We do what we were taught to do. So hard to shake that sometimes. I know when I break out my overhead projector... #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8, @CarrieAnnTripp, @kimdarche

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:48 AM EDT

I just commented on this. Mandatory data tracker due to state.#sunchat

In reply to @TeachFangs, @shirky17, @carlameyrink

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:48 AM EDT

And what we're teaching is open ended, there should always be more to learn #sunchat

In reply to @TeachFangs, @shirky17, @CarrieAnnTripp

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:48 AM EDT

exactly... and therein lies the problems... :) @JeremyDBond #sunchat

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:47 AM EDT
I'm going to guess it means entirely different things by subject, teacher, test... mood. #sunchat
- susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT
  
  Great point. #sunchat Let's be clear as to what our grading shows. What is a 75 in ELA? Reading? Writing? Comprehension? We need specifics.
  
  DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
  
  If school us about measuring learning, zeros for attendance tell us nothing. Grade behavior separately from learning #sunchat
  
  tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT
  
  Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat
  
  mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:48 AM EDT

Easy: don't do the work get a 0. Challenging: motivate learner, provide relevant, meaningful options. Separate behavior & academic #sunchat

MrU_ishere Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

There's been convo abt going to SBG, & this is my concern. If we don't communicate why we do it, it'll be more pain than power. #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:44 AM EDT

Too many times we just make a shift or decision without involving parents first. They're questions need to be heard & answered #sunchat
In reply to @JeremyDBond

rhonhigg Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

I agree. Oftentimes you'll find that over time Ss will become proficient in giving meaningful feedback if given the opportunity #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond, @AmyLynnRever

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

Instead of "behavior" let's call it "life skills." To be successful in life certain skills are a must. Teach those skills, assess. #sunchat

msdwater Apr 23 @ 9:20 AM EDT

In a system where behavior is graded separately, how do shift the perception? Grades 'matter' so how do we get behavior to 'matter' #sunchat

JJ_Burry Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

Hi, #sunchat! I teach 7th grade #writing. I've never heard of this chat before. What's the topic for participating?

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

lol! Your "comfort zone" so to speak.... #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @AustinELA8, @CarrieAnnTripp, @kimdarche

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

You still have one? #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @AustinELA8, @kimdarche

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

You can't successfully land a plane 95% of the time... #sunchat

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

always sits in seat, does HW, but can not demonstrate learning independently #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @lesliefarooq, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

gilkatgil Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

I'm in search of PD this summer in the New England region. ELA-SS, PBL, writing, service learning,thoughts? #bfc530 #sunchat #nerdybookclub

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

Akin to health-care debate? Requires cogent vision of what to try instead and rallying myriad stakeholders to re-imagined cause(s). #sunchat

In reply to @quickmuse

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

exactly. Can he add? write? read (at what level)? Or is he just good at making posters? (which is a talent in itself!) #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @lesliefarooq, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

It's unhelpful. The reality of the working world outside of schools is "bad" behavior is rarely punished; systems are manipulated. #sunchat

tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:17 AM EDT
I get a little nervous even considering grading behavior. #sunchat
- DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:11 AM EDT
  
  If school us about measuring learning, zeros for attendance tell us nothing. Grade behavior separately from learning #sunchat
  
  tiffanytruitt Apr 23 @ 9:09 AM EDT
  
  Still stand on the unpopular side of this...feel like SOMETIMES 0s are warranted. You don't show up for a job, you don't get paid #sunchat
  
  mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:06 AM EDT
  
  #sunchat What are your thoughts on the Impact of "Zero" on a 100-point grading scale? Interesting 🎞 by @rickwormeli2 https://t.co/4Vz4hUniB8

mydesk_not Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

#sunchat 🤚🏼s down my favorite #GrowthMindset feedback🔧 esp when Ss struggle despite strong efforts✔️out👉🏼resource @ https://t.co/vwWCmtWkKr

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

What does Bob Seger say? "Feel like a number. Feel like a stranger. A stranger in this land." About Ss? https://t.co/G2BPnH2jdk #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

Lol! There is novelty in the overhead projector. Like something from space. #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @kimdarche

shirky17 Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

#sunchat you can do SBL without doing SBG ....

In reply to @MrU_ishere

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:50 AM EDT

There's one in our building and it makes me sad every time I see it used. #sunchat

In reply to @CarrieAnnTripp, @AustinELA8, @kimdarche

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:51 AM EDT

Hahaha - Ilove it! #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:51 AM EDT

How do you feel when student legitimately "aces" test but didn't do any HW? #sunchat

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:51 AM EDT

School is for learning. School is for learning. School is for learning. #sunchat

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:13 AM EDT

Grading = judgement Feedback = coaching I don't want to be a judge #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

It is great for copying big graphics on big piece of poster paper. Used it often to decorate for dances #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @kimdarche

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

Indeed, and I'd argue: SBL merits effective communication re: purposes/outcomes, too. #sunchat

In reply to @shirky17, @MrU_ishere

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

we have a 1-4 scale for teachers. And you know we are comparing those numbers with every other T! lol #sunchat We are what we teach....

In reply to @carlameyrink, @VHS_TchrCoach

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

You'll still see some pains, but communicating will eliminate so many of them and shrink the size of the mob trying to tear it down #sunchat

In reply to @MrU_ishere

WilliamDaviesMS Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

Check out the #Storify story "W.D.M.S. Week of April 17, 2017: #WeAreDavies" https://t.co/NnWv4WkIeX #njed #edchat #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

Any thoughts on the common reaction that, "Detentions punish the teachers." Curious. #sunchat

In reply to @aj_cott, @MrDataGuy, @carlameyrink, @tiffanytruitt

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

Hopefully, not in the 21st century classroom! #sunchat

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:45 AM EDT

It's unfortunate that we continue to want to boil a young mind down to a number. A number that removes their interesting details. #sunchat
In reply to @JeremyDBond, @carlameyrink, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

And of course, doesn't model good assessment or feedback. #sunchat

In reply to @VHS_TchrCoach

brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

You've highlighted another fruitful avenue for dialogue, Joan. Lots of moving parts here :) #sunchat

In reply to @JoanJtracy, @susankotch

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:52 AM EDT

Missouri. Each class does 2 SLOs per year with data trackers. CFAS are done same. #sunchat

In reply to @TeachFangs, @shirky17, @carlameyrink

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:53 AM EDT

Yes! #sunchat Problem is, these problem are complex. To make change, you need people at every level who have a systems-level understanding.

In reply to @brianrozinsky

DaveWheeler11 Apr 23 @ 9:53 AM EDT

Easiest assessment of all time though. Only need a 2 level rubric 😀 Also, we don't give pilot a plane too quickly, practice #sunchat

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:49 AM EDT

You can't successfully land a plane 95% of the time... #sunchat

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:53 AM EDT

Units are stations. Why do we keep the student train going when learning is inadequate? S train shld stop at that station for help #sunchat

AustinELA8 Apr 23 @ 9:53 AM EDT

Yes and that is a behavior issue. It should be reported as such. Some HS would put that in employability skills. #sunchat

In reply to @SoperWritings

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:54 AM EDT

My kids are 12 and 14, and I've never had one of their teachers say, "Here's where you can find me on Twitter." #sunchat Alas.

In reply to @JeremyDBond

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:54 AM EDT

We thought we had it made when we could print color pics on plastic sheets. Who knew that PPT & LCD projectors were coming? #sunchat

In reply to @AustinELA8, @CarrieAnnTripp, @kimdarche

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:54 AM EDT

Which reminds me of the inconsistencies in grading practices even when we try for doing better. An average can be so meaningless. #sunchat

In reply to @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

CarrieAnnTripp Apr 23 @ 9:54 AM EDT

In old dist., subs couldn't use tech. It was always a hunt to find 1 to borrow for sub. #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @AustinELA8, @kimdarche

nikhilplusb Apr 23 @ 9:55 AM EDT

How Empathy Is Important For Parents And Teens When Things Get Stressful https://t.co/RR35uKrLc0 #Empathy #Sunchat #SpiritChat

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:55 AM EDT

We're a no rewards, no punishments school - looking for intrinsic motivation. Which works beautifully until the grades kick in! #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @aj_cott, @MrDataGuy, @tiffanytruitt

karenvaites Apr 23 @ 9:55 AM EDT

Can you help the like-minded find good research sources, @alicekeeler? #sunchat

In reply to @alicekeeler, @sstorm01, @lesliefarooq, @alfiekohn, @VancouverSD, @525layne, @SuptVPS, @alicekeeler

RHfan2zzo Apr 23 @ 9:55 AM EDT

GPA measures "studenting"-how successful have you been at manipulating the system #sunchat

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:55 AM EDT

Foolish. Inconsistency. Hobgoblin. Little minds. #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @carlameyrink, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

shirky17 Apr 23 @ 9:55 AM EDT

#sunchat i loved the research that gave the same assignment to various Ts to grade and the grades varied from A-F

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:56 AM EDT

Mine too. That was a nostalgic moment - immediately brought it up on YouTube! Lol #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @BenBo370, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @susankotch, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:56 AM EDT

It's great when you need to make a big poster for bulletin board with picture on it - project it onto paper and trace away! #sunchat

In reply to @polonerd, @CarrieAnnTripp, @AustinELA8, @kimdarche

JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:56 AM EDT

For sharing what's going on in the classroom, sure, not just for communication. Also to be engaged as I'm engaged with all of you. #sunchat

BPucino Apr 23 @ 9:32 AM EDT

Oh man, I've never even thought of Twitter as a Parent-Teacher comm. tool...brilliant
In reply to @JeremyDBond

RandallSampson Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

Your Experience Matters! https://t.co/uNtJUzpz9a #SunChat #LibertyLD

lesliefarooq Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

Grades are carrots or sticks. SBG must come to the fore in any school that wishes to cultivate intrinsic motivation in learners. #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @aj_cott, @MrDataGuy, @tiffanytruitt

SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

Bingo! Whole discussion lands the middle - there has to be BOTH authentic experiences w/ measurable feedback & accountability #sunchat

In reply to @carlameyrink, @lesliefarooq, @aj_cott, @MrDataGuy, @tiffanytruitt

carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

This is why I'm a fan of anecdotal progress reports - so much more meaningful #sunchat

In reply to @lesliefarooq, @susankotch, @JeremyDBond, @Dr_LMR, @mydesk_not, @rickwormeli2

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

Passions properly encouraged created lifetime networks of learning. #sunchat This is the way to pave pathways to vocational happiness.

In reply to @mssackstein

biologygoddess Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

When Ss plagiarize,This is a BIG deal, Ss have to be taught what this means 0=punishment, redo=teaching #sunchat

polonerd Apr 23 @ 9:34 AM EDT

When Ss cheat on test and receive 0.. 1. Why do Ss feel need to cheat? 2. Why are we giving tests they can cheat on? 3. Why use 0? #sunchat
In reply to @AustinELA8

sarvmanglamcom Apr 23 @ 9:57 AM EDT

BJP Janpad president #ShobhaRaghuvansi's family members beat up constable who fined them for traffic rule violation: Police. #Guna #sunchat

JJ_Burry Apr 23 @ 9:58 AM EDT

I agree that the impact can be detrimental, but they also have to learn responsibility. Would a 50 help them learn that? #sunchat

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brianrozinsky Apr 23 @ 9:58 AM EDT

Sounds like you've pinpointed difference betw classrms w/1 T train vs. 30+ S trains. Managing rail traffic in latter=tricky, worthy #sunchat

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urbie Apr 23 @ 9:58 AM EDT

Data notebooks? Like #SeeSaw or something else? #sunchat

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SoperWritings Apr 23 @ 9:58 AM EDT

Bingo! Whole discussion lands in the middle - there has to be BOTH authentic experiences w/ measurable feedback & accountability #sunchat

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susankotch Apr 23 @ 9:58 AM EDT

Why do we hide ourselves as teachers? Always wondered that.... #sunchat @quickmuse

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:54 AM EDT

My kids are 12 and 14, and I've never had one of their teachers say, "Here's where you can find me on Twitter." #sunchat Alas.
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JeremyDBond Apr 23 @ 9:58 AM EDT

If it brings movement, that's one thing. Some kids are just left to fail. #sunchat

In reply to @DennisDill

quickmuse Apr 23 @ 9:59 AM EDT

This is what I'm talking about, Starr: https://t.co/mMZT5DX0NZ #sunchat

In reply to @mssackstein

shirky17 Apr 23 @ 9:59 AM EDT

#sunchat i dont even think they are carrots or sticks..that implies they have motivational factors--and they dont to the majority

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carlameyrink Apr 23 @ 9:59 AM EDT

They are - they go so against our school philosophy, but we have to send out Ss to uni somehow. It's a constant struggle #sunchat

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DennisDill Apr 23 @ 9:59 AM EDT

In my world the zero acts like a cattle prod ... "Come on, we're not done learning yet!" #sunchat

In reply to @JeremyDBond