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TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:00 PM EDT

Good Evening, #FLedChat I'm Tammy. I'll be your moderator tonight.

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:01 PM EDT

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MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:01 PM EDT

#NowPlaying Another Brick In The Wall, Pt. 2 - 2011 Remastered Version by Pink Floyd #Fledchat https://t.co/xhz1nK5JCc

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:01 PM EDT

Tonight we are discussing Retention on #FLedChat Join us now. https://t.co/P0YjBfwINd

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:02 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 You read my mind. Glad you are here. #FLedChat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:02 PM EDT

Amy in Illinois. #Miched #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:02 PM EDT

Hi, #FLedChat friends! Kimberly, Media Specialist from Daytona Beach happy to join you!

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:03 PM EDT

@amybrowns Hello, Amy. Glad you can join us. #FLedChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:03 PM EDT

@kmhmartin Hey, Kim! How are you? Can't wait to see you soon. #FLedChat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Chatting on retention in #fledchat and poverty in #miched. Should see some crossover!

KristinCHarr - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:03 PM EDT

Hi everyone :). #FLedChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:04 PM EDT

@KristinCHarr Hey, Kristin. Thanks for spending a few minutes with us before you get back to your studies. #FLedChat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:04 PM EDT

@TG_Neil I'm great! Ready for Saturday? #FLedChat #EdCampBranford

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:04 PM EDT

@KristinCHarr Hey, Kristin! #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

What's up my Fellow Floridians? Zac from Lecanto FL, ready for #fledchat

KristinCHarr - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

@kmhmartin @TG_Neil Can't wait!!! @EdcampBranford is the place to be this Saturday :). #FLedChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

@kmhmartin Just about. I've got a great team that make everything easier. Still, lots to do before Sat. morning. #FLedChat

therowdykidsin3 Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Hi, #fledchat! Amy teaching 3rd grade in Pensacola. Happy to connect with all of you tonight.

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Hello Christine from central Florida #FLedChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

@therowdykidsin3 Welcome, Amy. So glad you are back tonight. #FLedChat

KristinCHarr - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

@kmhmartin Hey Kim. #FLedChat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

Yes, it is! #EdCampBranford #FLedChat https://t.co/ZJIeHo7jcJ

KristinCHarr - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:05 PM EDT

@kmhmartin @TG_Neil Can't wait!!! @EdcampBranford is the place to be this Saturday :). #FLedChat

technologyWIN Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Hello #fledchat ! Henry from Brandon, FL

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

@TeachingTykes Yay for Central Florida in the house. Welcome, Christine. #FLedChat

WriteOnJulie Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Hi #FLedChat Julie here from Brandon, with #edtech consulting co @technologyWIN

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

H.S. Career & Tech Ed, VA. #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

@technologyWIN Hi, Henry! Welcome back. #FLedChat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Hey #Fledchat Celeste from Tallahassee

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:06 PM EDT

Welcome, Julie and Patti. So many awesome educators joining #FLedChat tonight. I love it.

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:07 PM EDT

Retention on #fledchat and poverty on #MichEdChat they are stories that go together. Ira in VA where we're using multiage as a,solution

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:07 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons Celeste! Super happy to have you here. #FLedChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:07 PM EDT

As we proceed tonight please remember to add #FLedChat to your tweets so we can all share your amazing responses.

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:07 PM EDT

Alex here from @CitrusSchools! Happy to make it to #fledchat

technologyWIN Apr 20 @ 8:08 PM EDT

@TG_Neil Glad to be back! Things have been busy! #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:08 PM EDT

@TG_Neil Hey Tammy! I just got Home and just in time too #Fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:08 PM EDT

We will use the Q1/A1 format for tonight's chat. #Fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:09 PM EDT

@alexstubenbort Hey, Alex! #FLedChat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:09 PM EDT

Kids in poverty do not come to school knowing less. They know different. That's our issue #fledchat #MichEdChat leveraging what kids know

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:10 PM EDT

@kmhmartin Hello, friend! #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:10 PM EDT

Here comes Q1 #FLedChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:11 PM EDT

** Q1 ** What does your school do for students that do not master the required skills by the end of the year? #FLedChat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:11 PM EDT

@KristinCHarr @TG_Neil Hey Kirstin! #Fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:11 PM EDT

A little late, Terry from Citrus County #Fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:12 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat I just sent out Q1. So you are just in time. :-) #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:12 PM EDT

@irasocol agree 100% different types of expertise #fledchat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:13 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat always good to see citrus tweeps! #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1 Sadly, still many are in the mindset of making child repeat the whole semester. (HS level) #fledchat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1: unfortunately nothing. If you have not failed reading all year then you're moving on #fledchat #wefailedthem

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:13 PM EDT

A1: Some are retained, some have summer school, others are moved forward with remediation. #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

A1. If in 3rd & didn't pass FSA, retain. Meetings to discuss promo/ret. based on district criteria for other grades. #FLedChat

reneesarmiento5 Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

#FLedChat Hello everyone! Renee in South Florida, happy to join all of you tonight.

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

when u start 2 forget Ss arrive w/varied background knowledge, Ss mistake celery for pickles in the ch. noodle soup. Reality check.#fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

@TeachingTykes Which is worse...moving on or being retained? #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

@amybrowns Is there any evidence that it helps? #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

I missed Q1?? Anyone retweet? #fledchat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:15 PM EDT

We try to build schools that celebrate lots of ways of knowing, meet kids at a success point #fledchat #MichEdChat https://t.co/rVZg0fDZds

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:15 PM EDT

@kmhmartin Usually no. I mean, *spoken sarcastically* everyone passes summer school. #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:15 PM EDT

Here is Q1 again for those that missed it. #FLedchat https://t.co/jbJQ98HcUL

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:11 PM EDT

** Q1 ** What does your school do for students that do not master the required skills by the end of the year? #FLedChat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:15 PM EDT

I missed Q1... RT anyone? #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:15 PM EDT

Q1 #Fledchat https://t.co/yhZ9Q3VY70

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:11 PM EDT

** Q1 ** What does your school do for students that do not master the required skills by the end of the year? #FLedChat

therowdykidsin3 Apr 20 @ 8:16 PM EDT

Depends on child and situation, which is why it should be a parent/teacher/admin decision, not mandated. #FLedchat https://t.co/uGWydDv5NJ

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:14 PM EDT

@TeachingTykes Which is worse...moving on or being retained? #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:16 PM EDT

So @JasonCKoon has tasked me with developing a Unit Recovery program to catch Ss who fail tests and catch them before they fall #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:16 PM EDT

A1 Depends, 3rd grade mandatory retention in FL, others are promoted with interventions. Othertimes teacher discretion. #Fledchat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:16 PM EDT

We support reading with technology at every age - audiobooks, WordTalk, etc. It drives learning #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:16 PM EDT

If you are using Tweetdeck, open a new column for the #FLedChat Moderators list. https://t.co/iUl242uJcg

danvkoch Apr 20 @ 8:17 PM EDT

Dan from Lecanto, FL! Sorry I am joining late. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:17 PM EDT

#fledchat https://t.co/IRbPI0JntQ

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:11 PM EDT

** Q1 ** What does your school do for students that do not master the required skills by the end of the year? #FLedChat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:17 PM EDT

@therowdykidsin3 I think I'd argue there needs to be a 3rd option. #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:17 PM EDT

@danvkoch Hey Dan. Citrus is showing up tonight! #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:17 PM EDT

Everyone congratulate @danvkoch He announced today that he's going to be a Daddy! #FLedchat https://t.co/McWvdJZ3GO

danvkoch Apr 20 @ 8:17 PM EDT

Dan from Lecanto, FL! Sorry I am joining late. #fledchat

danvkoch Apr 20 @ 8:18 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat hey Terry! It seems we're are repping Citrus well here. #FLedchat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:18 PM EDT

@amybrowns I was a K teacher for 11 years and I firmly believed in them staying another year. #fledchat

technologyWIN Apr 20 @ 8:18 PM EDT

@TG_Neil Thanks Tammy! That is awesome! Now I won't miss the questions! #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A1: They repeat the class, not the entire grade. Needing more time in Eng. does not = needing another yr. as a soph. #fledchat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:18 PM EDT

A1it's what we do before the end of the year that matters.Proactively assuaging gaps benchmark by benchmark by any means necessary #fledchat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:19 PM EDT

So we have K-2 +3-5 multiage, and K-5 multiage and we give kids time #fledchat #MichEdChat https://t.co/NCYsDgWeLP

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:19 PM EDT

@TeachingTykes at that level, totally understandable. They're so young...so much potential growth #fledchat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:19 PM EDT

@amybrowns Now as a 5th T. I think that if you don't have it by now then will another year help or look at more assistance. #fledchat

mthornton78 Apr 20 @ 8:19 PM EDT

@irasocol totally agree. Also, we, as a nation, have pretentiously determined what is imp 2learn & not imp. Not equitable to all. #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:19 PM EDT

I actually went to a multiage school when I was a kid. I loved the blending it allowed. #FLedChat https://t.co/gYwDS4cjK2

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:19 PM EDT

So we have K-2 +3-5 multiage, and K-5 multiage and we give kids time #fledchat #MichEdChat https://t.co/NCYsDgWeLP

reneesarmiento5 Apr 20 @ 8:20 PM EDT

#fledchat A2: We are continuously providing support and opportunities to relearn. When these do not work, summer school is required.

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:20 PM EDT

@TG_Neil @danvkoch Oh wow, I missed that. Congrats to you and your wife. How exciting! #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:20 PM EDT

A1: Losing an entire yr. b/c I'm weak in one subj. is old school. Ss need continued challenge in contents they proved strong. #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:20 PM EDT

@TG_Neil Wish we could all get there! Age separation is so arbitrary! #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:20 PM EDT

@TG_Neil That would be so cool! #FLedChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:21 PM EDT

A2: Can someone kindly help me with locating questions? Where is 2?#fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:21 PM EDT

It is clear there are many points of view here tonight. I love the conversation. Q2 will be here in just a moment. #FLedchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:21 PM EDT

I'm still not seeing Questions do we have to use TweetDeck? #fledchat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:21 PM EDT

And we don't stop making schools fit kids' needs #fledchat #MichEdChat https://t.co/g6t0GzdYPf

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:22 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 I'm tweeting out the questions. The conversation for q1 was so good I havent' sent the 2nd one yet. #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:22 PM EDT

@TG_Neil ok cool someone tweeted A2 and I was lost lol #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:22 PM EDT

Many Elem schools in FL refrain from retaining until 3rd grade.Not a good idea IMO, when more time is needed early on, allow it #FLedchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:22 PM EDT

@danvkoch Congrats! #FLedChat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:23 PM EDT

@TG_Neil because multiage is human learning. We learn from each other, all at different rates #fledchat #MichEdChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:23 PM EDT

A1: If college was structured by age, I would have been in the Ph.D program 16 years ago! #fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:24 PM EDT

What is mastery? Who defines it? Does mastery equal the same thing for every kid? What is really in the best interest of the kid? #FLEdChat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:24 PM EDT

@mikemeechin Glad you are here. We are discussing retention tonight. I just sent out the 2nd question. #FLedChat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:24 PM EDT

I agree. I think K is too young, and from what I have seen 1st is the best. I use to be totally against it #Fledchat https://t.co/cLFP4TViDY

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:22 PM EDT

Many Elem schools in FL refrain from retaining until 3rd grade.Not a good idea IMO, when more time is needed early on, allow it #FLedchat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:25 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons better then than later in their academic career. At some point you're turning them into a statistic by retaining #fledchat

KristaEdTech Apr 20 @ 8:25 PM EDT

Hey #fledchat - joining a little late, but here! :)

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:25 PM EDT

A1: Retaining shud not be all or none. Retention shud be individualized just like all inst. delivery. subj. by subj. #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:25 PM EDT

@KristaEdTech Welcome, Krista. Glad you could make it. #FLedChat

danvkoch Apr 20 @ 8:26 PM EDT

A2: not sure it is. Ss feel very self conscious when retained. Mixed ages would be preferable 2 retention #fledchat https://t.co/LablwpHTed

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:23 PM EDT

** Q2 ** When is retention necessary? #FLedChat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:26 PM EDT

@DennisDill Ha! The state of FL defines mastery through use of Standards and Yes they say it must be the same for every Kid #Fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:26 PM EDT

Q2 again. #FLedChat https://t.co/FLIEXqWgoM

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:23 PM EDT

** Q2 ** When is retention necessary? #FLedChat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:26 PM EDT

Let's be honest ... EVERY kid can learn, but not every kid is going to master everything or anything #FLEdChat

therowdykidsin3 Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat I agree. Unless S is really young for their age, it is very hard to tell if they need more time or not. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

Honestly retention should be to ensure foundational aspects needed are met. Benchmarks met, focus has to be reading and math #fledchat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

Everything's individualized until it's STANDARDIZED😋 happy FSA everyone! #fledchat https://t.co/x2dH8A3YrL

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:25 PM EDT

A1: Retaining shud not be all or none. Retention shud be individualized just like all inst. delivery. subj. by subj. #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

A2. Only when you are absolutely certain you have done everything to help the S master standards. #FLedChat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

Q2: When a student can not read. Everything revolves around that. Not only the subjects, but self esteem #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

A1: retain in 2nd gr b/c I can't read,I'll fall asleep bored all other contents, going from hating reading, to now hating school #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:27 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons @DennisDill I do not recall the words "best interest" being mentioned anywhere, but what a novel thought though #Fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:28 PM EDT

Sorry #FLEdChat ... maybe getting a little ornery ... a little devil's advocate

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:28 PM EDT

@DennisDill nor should we require that, we are teaching from a factory/industrial model we need to update #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:28 PM EDT

@DennisDill You do you so well, Dennis. :-) #FLedChat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:29 PM EDT

#fledchat Rita jumping in A2: research is clear. Retention not only doesn't work, but also causes more problems https://t.co/i6q0Kfe3Nr

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:29 PM EDT

A very immature struggling with the basics of reading in 1st, I think we need to fill those gaps. #fledchat Base by base always

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:29 PM EDT

Love the research #fledchat https://t.co/fCgAHxPH6c

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:29 PM EDT

#fledchat Rita jumping in A2: research is clear. Retention not only doesn't work, but also causes more problems https://t.co/i6q0Kfe3Nr

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:29 PM EDT

So true! #FLedChat https://t.co/7gD9zroxXf

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:28 PM EDT

@DennisDill nor should we require that, we are teaching from a factory/industrial model we need to update #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

What retained 6th grader comes back to school in Aug and says I'm 13 now I'm ready to learn? None! #fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 yes, too many pols/eds have a college track mindset ... most kids are not going to college ... we're killing them #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

What is Question #2? #fledchat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

The silliest thing about opposing 'social promotion' is that our education system is 100% based on age #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

A2 Here is a GR8 research brief. Retention has NO pos effects but lots of neg effects https://t.co/F8p00XKyke #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

Q2: If we had plenty of time and resources to give, retention may not be necessary in elem. But we don't. #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:30 PM EDT

@alexstubenbort I know right! differentiation PD then oh jk that's just for you classroom. All Ss must conform for testing #FLedchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:31 PM EDT

@DennisDill @MrLeonard8 We teach as if they are. #fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:31 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons "Best Interest" is the crap people say but do not mean ... too much talk not enough action #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:31 PM EDT

@DennisDill and there's nothing wrong with that, some of the most successful businesses are run by tradespeople #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:31 PM EDT

@DennisDill @MrLeonard8 I like to think of my elders, I ask, "Could they answer this?" They are successful...maybe time to rethink #fledchat

irasocol Apr 20 @ 8:31 PM EDT

As noted earlier, every retained 3rd grader is a 16-yr-old in your middle school. Kind of changes things for 11-yr-olds #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:32 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat A2: if retention worked, it would be a good solution, but it doesn't #fledchat https://t.co/F8p00XKyke

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

I have seen it work for a few when done early on. #Fledchat https://t.co/TtflQY54gG

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:32 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat A2: if retention worked, it would be a good solution, but it doesn't #fledchat https://t.co/F8p00XKyke

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

A2: I know I'm oversimplifying, but if and only when it benefits the child. What else needs to be considered? #fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 @Ms_PFlynn I think we are starting ... Lawsuit against state of Florida being pushed through ... it is happening #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

Question 3 will be here in just a moment. #FLedChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

A2: No Ss shud lose a yr. of their life b/c a school misused resources.That's Ss adjusting to us. We R supposed to adjust to Ss. #fledchat

shirky17 Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

@DennisDill #FLEdChat so where do we draw the line... & who do we trust to draw the line "everyone can learn up to here"

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:34 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Anecdotal evidence. long-term research shows even when it looks like it helped the effects drop off by high school. #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:34 PM EDT

@amybrowns @DennisDill @MrLeonard8 4 me, when I realized nbdy outside of 9th grd knows who Romeo's cousin is...I had 2 change #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:34 PM EDT

** Q3 ** What are some realistic, viable alternatives to retention? #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:34 PM EDT

Good, our "unions" focus on protecting ineffective teachers but ignore protecting what's best for Ss #fledchat https://t.co/JVYforX6wh

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:33 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 @Ms_PFlynn I think we are starting ... Lawsuit against state of Florida being pushed through ... it is happening #fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:35 PM EDT

@shirky17 Why does there have to be a "line" ... yes there should be a bottom line, but are we being realistic with the mastery #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:35 PM EDT

A2: "retention harmful, even when done in kindergarten." #fledchat https://t.co/2PcHDOxSt8

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT

What does research show does work? #Fledchat https://t.co/EE2OtGN61B

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:34 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Anecdotal evidence. long-term research shows even when it looks like it helped the effects drop off by high school. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT

No one will remember what their FSA score was in 10 years but they will never forget being left behind #fledchat

DennisDill Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 We need more parents willing to stand up for teachers and do the right thing ... #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT

Boom #fledchat https://t.co/ZDbATgxxe9

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT

No one will remember what their FSA score was in 10 years but they will never forget being left behind #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:37 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Three years of good teaching. @NBPTS national boards #fledchat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:37 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons We can't serve both ideals... Make up your mind @FLGovScott w your mixed messages! SMH #fledchat https://t.co/N1BKhhKQDC

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:37 PM EDT

Since FSAs aren't even used for college admissions, will it take 10 years to forget a score? #FLedChat https://t.co/aciiltooGW

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT

No one will remember what their FSA score was in 10 years but they will never forget being left behind #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:37 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Research shows that teaching on instructional level and not grade level is when Ss learn the most. #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:38 PM EDT

A3: Change the intervention until we find what works. I liked the multi-age idea. #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:38 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat differentiation & letting go of arbitrary benchmarks. All are different. Come to us at different ages. #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:39 PM EDT

A3. I think that promoting them & also making sure they get solid remediation might help. Differentiate. #FLedChat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A3: Of course doing away with mandatory testing and laws could change the whole view. #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:40 PM EDT

@TG_Neil Not for College but definitely to graduate high school, although SAT or ACT are alternatives to FSA still Standardized #Fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A3: no idea of the Qs - throwing out info now. Strip Ss of dignity like stripping of their clothes. They won't show up 2 learn #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:41 PM EDT

That's the ticket! New mindset about learning is needed NOT retention policiies #fledchat https://t.co/6SjxSAHvhG

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:40 PM EDT

A3: Of course doing away with mandatory testing and laws could change the whole view. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:41 PM EDT

Study from University of Michigan says Ss retained 1 have 75% chance to graduate, 2 times drops to below 50% #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:41 PM EDT

@DennisDill that's exactly right! #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:41 PM EDT

So what ARE the real options? #FLedChat https://t.co/rRSGaVYwUl

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:34 PM EDT

** Q3 ** What are some realistic, viable alternatives to retention? #FLedChat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A3: I think we can't always looks at realistic because our hands are tied. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:43 PM EDT

I have an idea why not get rid of grades! Put kids in age cohorts and differentiate! #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:43 PM EDT

A3 Change the current system. Eliminate age grouping. Take away the stigma of needing more than 180 days to learn something. #fledchat

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:43 PM EDT

A3Hard to operate in a broken system. Grade levels & subject areas are the issues. Until we fix them, there's no perfect answers. #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:43 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat But that is being realistic. How do we do what's best for kids when the "rules" are stacked against some? #FLedChat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:43 PM EDT

That's actually the realistic, it is the reality we have in front of us. #Fledchat https://t.co/mnyFN095Ld

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:42 PM EDT

A3: I think we can't always looks at realistic because our hands are tied. #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:44 PM EDT

Change model. No more arbitrary benchmarks. Expect 1 year's growth in 1 year's time 4 ALL no matter how "high" or 'Low" started #fledchat

brettexplains Apr 20 @ 8:44 PM EDT

Is the trend moving away from testing and more project based learning ? #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:44 PM EDT

Oh, I never give up. Ever. #fledchat I am in the game for them. https://t.co/cq8xPVfWu9

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:43 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Ss count on us to be their voice. Never give up.

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:44 PM EDT

Q3: I think something that is realistic: parent sessions so they know how to help and foster learning at home. #fledchat

therowdykidsin3 Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

A3 So, what r real solutions that will work in the current system? 3 yrs of eff. teaching is only realistic I've seen. #fledchat @ritaplatt

alexstubenbort Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

@amybrowns #Fledchat https://t.co/1PgOOaH040

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

A3: My reality is I am going to give, change, reflect and give some more. Learn and give them MY best. #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

#fledchat hands are tied by state policy but we can & should advocate for what the research shows. NO RETENTION!

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

A3 (#2) Change the lens through which we see success. #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

@brettexplains In the classroom, perhaps. In the legislature, no way. (Not yet). #FLedChat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:45 PM EDT

It's tough,some are saying promote & remediate-who's remediating, the next T? With what tools/resources. Ss not ESE, no services #Fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:46 PM EDT

@MrLeonard8 Hmmm.....maybe just a wavelength... #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:46 PM EDT

A3: Fighting the good fight, how to advocate w/o loosing your job https://t.co/v6vJrVdfFQ #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:46 PM EDT

@TeachingTykes Yes! Many parents just need to know how to help. The trick is getting them to show up. #FLedChat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:47 PM EDT

I think every 3rd grader should have a portfolio. We don't want a test to determine their future. #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:47 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Nice! #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:47 PM EDT

Question 4 is on its way. #FLedChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:47 PM EDT

A3: I have 9-12 in one class setting, all learning the same content. It's what they need, not what grade level on transcript. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:48 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons I agree, we have to stop pounding new material until they get the old stuff #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:48 PM EDT

** Q4 ** Since retention is part of our reality, how do we support the retained student? #FLedChat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:48 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat What if we started building their portfolios in KG? Then we could see their growth as learners! #FLedChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:49 PM EDT

A3: Tthe extra time is 4 the Ts to figure out a better way to instruct 2 Ss who weren't understanding our lang. 1st X around. #fledchat

amybrowns Apr 20 @ 8:49 PM EDT

@kmhmartin @FirstAtBat I like to think this will be possible as schools move to Gdocs...everything will be there forever. #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:49 PM EDT

Yes, of course. I was thinking more of the "law" end of it. They can be promoted with a portfolio in 3rd. #Fledchat https://t.co/hcLeWPPiKC

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:48 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat What if we started building their portfolios in KG? Then we could see their growth as learners! #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:49 PM EDT

For real lol #fledchat https://t.co/5D0SOaOxQO

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:37 PM EDT
Since FSAs aren't even used for college admissions, will it take 10 years to forget a score? #FLedChat https://t.co/aciiltooGW
- MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:36 PM EDT
  
  No one will remember what their FSA score was in 10 years but they will never forget being left behind #fledchat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:49 PM EDT

@kmhmartin I think food is the trick with free babysitting. Worked at my school in the past #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:50 PM EDT

@kmhmartin @FirstAtBat have them build their own portfolios, lead their own P/T conferences. So much pride in taking reigns #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:50 PM EDT

A4. Get to know the Ss & then find out how they learn. Use what they like to help them be successful. #FLedChat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:51 PM EDT

I think admin needs to come and sit in each grade level and be in the trench before they make retention decisions #fledchat

FLedChat Apr 20 @ 8:51 PM EDT

** Q4 ** #FLedChat https://t.co/QeecQTqI5c

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:48 PM EDT

** Q4 ** Since retention is part of our reality, how do we support the retained student? #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:51 PM EDT

Love this, in a district that's 1:1 3-12, we could have digi portfolio that follows and evolves as Ss does #fledchat https://t.co/qoCi3UcVlZ

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:48 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat What if we started building their portfolios in KG? Then we could see their growth as learners! #FLedChat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:51 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat That 3rd grade "law" portfolio is crazy! And often it's done last minute and without much support. #Fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:52 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Yes, that's true. It's hard to get all of the "points" though. #FLedChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:52 PM EDT

A4: Don't settle. We R ranked top 5% of schools in NATION. We don't retain. Rally at SB mtgs, push for change.#fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:52 PM EDT

Not at our school and I am happy about that. Every child and we start right away. #Fledchat https://t.co/tKb3oTNjif

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:51 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat That 3rd grade "law" portfolio is crazy! And often it's done last minute and without much support. #Fledchat

TeachingTykes Apr 20 @ 8:52 PM EDT

A4: raise their spirit, use them to help others, they need to start feeling wanted and like winners #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:53 PM EDT

@kmhmartin @FirstAtBat Yeah, almost impossible. After all we're talking about struggling readers #Fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:53 PM EDT

I meant the ones who have a "bad" day, not a test taker. Not the strugglers. #Fledchat https://t.co/V4vJzyZPuA

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:53 PM EDT

@kmhmartin @FirstAtBat Yeah, almost impossible. After all we're talking about struggling readers #Fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:54 PM EDT

A4: work to get them back with their cohort, coach, provide support, teach strats that help problem solve #fledchat

FLedChat Apr 20 @ 8:54 PM EDT

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FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:55 PM EDT

Those of you in in the older grades, do you think those 3rd grade non readers should move on? #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:55 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Ohhhh! Okay #fledchat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:55 PM EDT

A4: Find schls w/similar demographics, present data re: scores $$ , drop out rates. Do research 4 them. Show them change is nec. #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:55 PM EDT

Resource: good information about research-based alternatives to retention #fledchat https://t.co/U0V3wO8KbQ

therowdykidsin3 Apr 20 @ 8:55 PM EDT

Great question! #fledchat https://t.co/mtr8ncCpyS

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:55 PM EDT

Those of you in in the older grades, do you think those 3rd grade non readers should move on? #fledchat

kmhmartin Apr 20 @ 8:56 PM EDT

Thanks #FLedChat peeps! Have a great rest of your week! #EdCampBranford here I come!

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:56 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat Not fluent by 3rd grade more likely drop out in HS. Move 4th grade in all contents, instruct 3rd gd. reading level. #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:56 PM EDT

Bowing out a few minutes early to get ready for #3rdchat. Great conversation. #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:56 PM EDT

3rd grade in Citrus provides a portfolio, the FSA, another chance at portfolio success, + CR data, Summer Sch before retention #fledchat

ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:57 PM EDT

@therowdykidsin3 It's important to remember, when have decades of research it's not so much about what we "think" as what works. #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:57 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat I think those 3rd grade non readers were non readers way back in k, 1, 2. That's the problem, intervene EARLY on! #FLedchat

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ritaplatt Apr 20 @ 8:57 PM EDT

@Ms_PFlynn @FirstAtBat YES! #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:57 PM EDT

I want Ss that are ready for my classes. Most are not. It's less about reading ability & more about critical thinking. #FLedChat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:58 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat absolutely, I mean we are seeing gaps with kids who are retained or those who aren't, typ retained kids hate school #fledchat

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:58 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons @FirstAtBat I teach 5th by the time they get to me, even when retained they still struggle #Fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:58 PM EDT

So, how do we support them. Do we have enough time and resources? #Fledchat https://t.co/mmTcMEOoza

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:58 PM EDT

@FirstAtBat absolutely, I mean we are seeing gaps with kids who are retained or those who aren't, typ retained kids hate school #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:59 PM EDT

#fledchat https://t.co/DVD2mYImz3

therowdykidsin3 Apr 20 @ 8:59 PM EDT

@ritaplatt Would assume Ts would base what they think on their experiences with students, educated opinions are worth hearing #fledchat

MrLeonard8 Apr 20 @ 8:59 PM EDT

Also Monday mornings at 705 teach Ts how to use Twitter with #InnovatorsMindset #fledchat

TG_Neil - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:59 PM EDT

This has definitely been an interesting conversation tonight. Thank you all for keeping this moderator moving. #FLedChat

Ms_PFlynn Apr 20 @ 8:59 PM EDT

A4: must keep them coming 4 the contents they love so u can get them in the 1 content they need the boost in. #fledchat

FirstAtBat Apr 20 @ 8:59 PM EDT

Then we need to fix this....I want to know how to keep them from always struggling. #Fledchat https://t.co/swXCJ2PZOY

Celeste_Clemons - Moderator Apr 20 @ 8:58 PM EDT

@Celeste_Clemons @FirstAtBat I teach 5th by the time they get to me, even when retained they still struggle #Fledchat