#langchat Archive

#LangChat is dedicated to the discussion of topics associated with issues and trends in world language instruction and learning. Educators, administrators, learners, and aficionados of world languages are encouraged to participate and share their experiences and input on various topics such as new ways to teach vocabulary, using music in the language classroom, and making standards-based grading valid. This chat is also unique in that it brings together language educators worldwide and from different contexts (elementary, secondary, higher education, etc.) and languages.
Thursday January 19, 2017
8:00 PM EST
  • participatechat Jan 19 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #langchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/q9PdwKw6v4
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Happy Thursday evening, and welcome to #langchat! Here are tonight's topics - but first, let's introduce ourselves!
  • kclarkwny Jan 19 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Kelly Clark here in NY! Spanish 1 & 2 this year. Just lurking tonight but can't wait to learn. #newbie #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hola a todos - @SraDentlinger here from Central Iowa - I only have Spanish 2 this semester! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:01 PM EST
    High school Spanish teacher joining from Seattle #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Welcome to #langchat! I can't wait to learn from you! :)
    In reply to @kclarkwny
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi! I am Maris and I teach Sp 2 in MD! Also I have a 3 day wkend bc of the Inauguration #langchat
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST
    #langchat Megan Fischer Spanish teacher SD all levels
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hola #langchat! Laura in NC--have to listen to a chapter of BFG before I can fully join!
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hey, Learn Words! vocabulary app here -- looking forward to hearing from more teachers and following along. :) #langchat
  • profemarcune Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST
    #Langchat Profe Marcune, AiDuPont highschool Delaware. SPANISH
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Julie ~ Middle school Spanish teacher in Chicago suburbs. #deptof1 #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Bethany from CA - I teach college French and work at a HS at a coach #langchat
  • EduGladiators Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    🎙Let's talk Restorative ⚖️ SATURDAY #Edugladiators Join LIVE #afterchat ⏯https://t.co/kWdEJqAlod too! #langchat #mdeschat #memspachat
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hello #langchat! Dorie, #earlylang (grades 1-5) Spanish teacher in Glastonbury, CT.
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Laura from NC - HS French #LangChat
  • lovemysummer Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    #langchat Bethanie in NC. I teach Spanish 1-AP to high school students.
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi #LangChat from KY- French Middle and Upper. It's raining here again! #whereisthesun
  • ksipes129 Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Kim from N. IN, Spanish 1 & Heritage #langchat
  • BBS_Spanish3 Jan 19 @ 8:04 PM EST
    @#langchat Hi! Teach high school Spanish and advanced ESL in TN
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:05 PM EST
    French 2-AP, technology coach & recent #wateachlead Tweeter in Bellingham/Mount Vernon, WA. #tellcollab Seattle starts Saturday! #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Buenas #langchat Viviana from Louisiana. Spanish for the Middles.
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hey there #langchat! Megan, French, from Detroit & lurking as I pack to head to D.C. This weekend!
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hola from Memphis! Paul, teaching Spanish 3,4,AP. #langchat
  • profeashley Jan 19 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Ashley from NH hoping to catch a little bit of the chat tonight! Teach Spanish grades 6-8 in MA. Hi everyone! #langchat
  • MmeFarab Jan 19 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Wendy, French 1 in NE Ohio! Gonna try to stay awake for this amazing chat but I don't know if I'll make it - no #langnap today! #langchat
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hello #langchat Marcela from PA teach Spanish PreK-3
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Here we go! Q1 Q1 Q1 Q1 #langchat Here we go! Don't forget #langchat and A1 in your answer!
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hi #langchat ! I'm a fifth year Spanish teacher at the middle and high school, for 1,2 and semester Spanish
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:09 PM EST
    ¡Buenas tardes, #LangChat! I'm Mark, HS Spanish teacher in MA.
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Hi Marcela! 👋🏼 So great to see you joining us tonight! #langchat
    In reply to @PreKlanguages
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:09 PM EST
    #langchat Hola! Christine from Boston, Spanish teacher!
  • SraDorman Jan 19 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Hi there #langchat! Linnette from IL. I teach hs Spanish.
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Q1: How does the emphasis on accuracy shift between novice and intermediate? #langchat
  • massignmenthelp Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    #globaledchat #iOSedChat #jerdchat #langchat #learnbetter #lidchat 10 Ways to read textbooks effectively https://t.co/0iOcFyoUbb
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: With the shift, it should be that a non sympathetic listener can understand- more accurate #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 Interm uses multi time frame - so verb forms become essential to communicate clearly #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    #langchat Hello, I'm Julie, from midcoast Maine. I teach K-4 elementary school, Spanish
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    thanks! I hope tobe able to join this conversation more often #langchat 😜
    In reply to @doriecp
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    WELCOME to #langchat :) #BestPDever
    In reply to @kclarkwny
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: Nuances. Accuracy becomes more important for being nuanced and sophisticated language in inter. #langchat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 #langchat I think sts become more attuned to their production longer they continue. I show examples of Intermediate & they try to copy
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 Even for my Ints, I want the focus to be on message more than accuracy. Accuracy comes w/practice, input, feedback loop. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 We can expect intermeds to at first be less accurate than novices as they move past memorized language chunks #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1 I feel accuracy at novice level is easier since it's just words. Once they attempt sentences, that's when accuracy takes a hit. #langchat
  • SraWienhold Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    I almost forgot about #langchat! Allison grades 7-12 Spanish in Iowa. Next week Thursday will really be complete with #TGIT
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Amanda from Lawrence KS joining late! Hola! #langchat
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1- accuracy is a bigger deal when hitting Intermediate- but they still have a long way to go before they gain language control #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    #langchat A1 - yes! Novice has accuracy w/memorized chunks. Messy when trying to create w/unrehearsed language.
    • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
      A1 We can expect intermeds to at first be less accurate than novices as they move past memorized language chunks #langchat
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    #langchat Intermediate is messier, so less accuracy? Struggling with this.
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Side note: Last yr I also taugh elem and MS Spanish #Langchat
  • lovemysummer Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST
    I see people from IL here tonight! Hellloooo to my peeps from my motherland! #langchat @sradorman @jadelman75
    In reply to @SraDorman, @jadelman75
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Not til Intermediate High is there much of a focus on time frame, though. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @SraDentlinger
  • TweeterBham Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST
    CatherineKU72 : A1 #langchat I think sts become more attuned to their production longer they continue. I show exam… https://t.co/limBn9xzQj)
    • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
      A1 #langchat I think sts become more attuned to their production longer they continue. I show examples of Intermediate & they try to copy
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #langchat A1 refinements start to occur as students become more aware of the function of lang; but comm & overall message still primary
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1 My intermediates want to be further on the journey to nativelikeness... so I offer more explanation if asked #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    I think I should steal this answer! :)#langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
      A1 We can expect intermeds to at first be less accurate than novices as they move past memorized language chunks #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Yay IL in #langchat!
    In reply to @lovemysummer, @SraDorman
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    The "creating" stage (especially IL) is so frustrating for me! Seems like they "forgot" everything #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1: Oh, wow! I always thought in terms of details not accuracy. Complexity of thought. #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 regardless of whether paradigms exist in our head (@teawithbvp) my Ss do finally see a "verb chart" at around IM #langchat
    In reply to @teawithbvp
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    #langchat A1 - this is how I have interpreted. More playing w/language = SLOPPY & FUN BUSINESS!
    • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST
      #langchat Intermediate is messier, so less accuracy? Struggling with this.
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 Prioritize communication over accuracy. Intermed requires students to express some details which require higher level of accur #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Novice High is sentences #langchat Individual words is only Novice Low
    In reply to @doriecp
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    @MlleSulewski A1 #langchat Messy in a beautiful way! Risk takers are fun @ this stage. Others, we encourage w/models & chunks
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @MlleSulewski
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1: Novice to Intermediate is kind of like sanding... novice is 60 grit and rough, intermediate is 120 grit and a little smoother #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 novices often sound more accurate since they've memorized chunks. Creation of new thoughts/ideas (intermediate&⬆️) gets messy! #langchat
  • profemarcune Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    #langchat A1 hardest part w/ novice is tgey are afraid to try afraid to make mistakes, dont pick them apart. Accuracy improves w/proficiency
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 accuracy is where I see the biggest spectrum between students- some kids pick up on patterns so much quicker! #langchat
  • SraWienhold Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: Novice parrots can be pretty accurate when just repeating. Once Intermediate language gets messy #langchat
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Fantastic tool. What can we get language students creating with it? Vocab cards, posters, infographics... #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Yes! Just b/c they know more doesn't mean it's neater. They experiment/recombine lang, so may have more errors. #langchat
    In reply to @mweelin
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: almost a choice between creativity with language vs. accuracy. Both are important, but using language is the most important #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    #langchat A1 - I too notice intermed students ask for more and understand more grammar concepts.
    • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST
      A1 My intermediates want to be further on the journey to nativelikeness... so I offer more explanation if asked #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    #langchat A1 as chunks are broken apart & recombined by sts accuracy suffers, & memorized vocab is often forgotten in the process of 1/2
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 #langchat Prof-based teaching lends itself to grappling w/ these kinds of ?s. My level 2s only talk accuracy when they don't make sense.
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #langchat A1 2/2 begin to create on their own
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Or perhaps that they have so much to choose from that it & stronger production desires overwhelm. Patience, kids! #langchat A1
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • AssignmentHelpN Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #globaledchat #iOSedChat #jerdchat #langchat 17 for ’17: Experts on E-learning & EdTech Trends for 2017 https://t.co/I9aiwWWsrV
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #langchat we're on Q1! Working through shift between Novice & Intermed and the emphasis on accuracy.
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 Accuracy at novice level is easier since it's just words or simple sentences. #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    I agree to some degree about messy, but if it is too messy is it intermediate? #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #langchat most liberating thing I ever heard was amount of input required fir ANYTHING to stick makes fossilization non-issue! #langchat
  • MmeFarab Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    So many great answers to Q1 and I don't have much else to add! #LangChat
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #langchat - As a beginning-level middle school teacher, what part does accuracy play? Is Intermed more at the 2nd/3rd year?
  • PollyGlotPress Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Hola from Charlotte NC #langchat A1: Novice & Intermed SS = different! Nov = memorized words & phrases. Intermed > creative; less formulaic
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1 I feel that intermediates are willing to experiment with Lang production more than novices. So sometimes less accurate #Langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    that's definitely what it is - just can seem like they forgot! #langchat
    In reply to @CatherineKU72
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Right. But a "novice" is words, novice high is sentences because they are dipping into intermediate. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1 I think int Ss are curious & start to take more risks with the TL. #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    I think @lesliedavison shared using @canva w/kiddos! #langchat
    In reply to @sr_connolly, @PRHSspanish, @lesliedavison, @canva
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    yeah my 2s are running into this--can't clarify improvement w/o present AND past! #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    YES! When I heard last year that novices can't fossilize b/c they simply don't have enough to do so, it was freeing! #langchat A1
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1) For me, same level of accuracy expected, but with a richer vocabulary & more sophisticated structures. #langchat
  • MmeFarab Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    the "creation" aspect of intermediate is messy. If it's perfect, it's probably memorized, novice chunks. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    I think less messy and more like two steps forward one step back but more fluid so gains aren't as concrete as novice #langchat
    • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST
      I agree to some degree about messy, but if it is too messy is it intermediate? #langchat
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST
    #langchat Yes! But so hard for someone who learned langs when the red pen was everywhere and accuracy was everything. Ugh!
    In reply to @profepj3
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
    They can't sustain it like true intermediates can. And it's mostly memorized language chunks. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
    So true! Novice is deceptively accurate. The dif is Ss aren't creating yet - when they do, accuracy takes a hit #langchat
    In reply to @SraWienhold
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
    THIS is key! It's not until intermediate mid that AAPPL rubric shifts from sympathetic audience! #langchat
    • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST
      A1: With the shift, it should be that a non sympathetic listener can understand- more accurate #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
    In my opinion yes- novice high towards the end of 1 for kids moving quickly #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
    this is a fascinating ?. Where is the demarcation when dealing with inaccuracies? #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Yes. Even intermediates are rarely understandable to non sympathetic listener. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A1)if kids understand they have the chance to be more accurate that if they memorized chunks of language #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Here comes Q2! #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:18 PM EST
    interesting! I've never thought about sympathetic/native shift in the rubric. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:18 PM EST
    #langchat A1 I'm in agreement with those saying that intermediate can be a mix of fun and frustrating that comes with creating lang
  • SraDorman Jan 19 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Great to see IL represented. #LangChat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @lovemysummer
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    So true! Fossilization really shouldn't be something we worry about when it comes to Ss hearing each other's mistakes. #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    also hard when you are around a lot of teachers w the red pen #langchat
    In reply to @mweelin, @profepj3
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    And I would not expect to see a reliable intermediate mid until maybe French 4. #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    It's so sad it takes so long to be understood. I'm so sad. #Russian #langchat #longprocess
    • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST
      Yes. Even intermediates are rarely understandable to non sympathetic listener. #langchat
      In reply to @Marishawkins
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Q2 So when it comes to communication and/or accuracy, what are the advantages to emphasizing the former? Q2 #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    obvious (and unhelpful) answer is there IS no magic demarcation #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @Marishawkins
  • profemarcune Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    #langchat A1 hardest part w/ novice is they are afraid to try afraid to make mistakes, dont pick them apart. Accuracy improves w/proficiency
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2 if the goal is to communicate with people, that has to be definition of success. Throwing in "accurately" is different. #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    so true!! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @Marishawkins
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #langchat A1 Maybe "messy" was the wrong word! But internees seem like they are all over the place trying to create more.
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    I try to think how long we have used certain topics. If it is beginning I am more accepting of errors #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @MundodePepita
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #langchat A2 - emphasizing communication decreases fear for students to produce.
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1 If I expect same level of accuracy, I'm definitely looking for more authenticity from intermediates, i.e. idiomatic expressions #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Tell me about it! Our Ss really do want to learn and communicate; I think we can all help with that as we learn! #langchat
    In reply to @mweelin
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2- the whole purpose of language learning is the idea of communcation- it should be at the forefront of everything we do. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    girl, you know I've analyzed those puppies backward, forward & inside out! #langchat https://t.co/zAKzPlXmhi
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    girl, you know I've analyzed those puppies backward, forward & inside out! #langchat https://t.co/cQKoQ2cX7v
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 19 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2: *Everything* is communication, whether it's reading another's words or interpreting what you see and hear -- all important #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I also think w my personality I am always a sympathetic listener! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @SraSpanglish
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Joining #langchat late tonight. Was traveling for #tellcollab this weekend.
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I agree, though I also expect learning/memory to come & go, rarely is it solid & consistent over time #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @SraSpanglish
  • MmeFarab Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2 Advantage #1: students aren't afraid to say the 'wrong' thing, because they got their point across. #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A1 #langchat Focusing on communication takes the pressure off! Ss will lit sigh in relief when writing, speaking, using improvised lang etc.
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: (cont'd) Students don't always see that they're communicating because they're not doing it at 100%, it can be tough to know #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: I find my Middles are unabashed when they don't have to be accurate. It might be a little jumbled but it works. #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    That's why I focus on either feedback or ratings--show what you know, not what you don't. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @mweelin
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    #langchat That's why I love #langchat !!
    In reply to @profepj3
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: Our goal is communicate and accuracy helps that, but it doesn't have to be perfect to communicate. Accuracy isn't king. #langchat
  • MCanion Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 student trusts teacher more, better relationships, builds confidence, community @PRHSspanish #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    I always go back and think what level of "sympathetic listener" is needed? Teacher-level sympathy = nov. Real world sympathy= Int. #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @Marishawkins
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    that's good. In my experience most #wlteach ate the least sympathetic listeners. #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: I would say that when sts are not accurate to some degree they are not communicating #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 #langchat Today a Ss said, "Wait, that's wrong," I said, "No, it's understandable, totally fine. Want to make it cleaner?" and we 'fixed'
  • MiriamPatrick Jan 19 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Free voluntary reading 2morrow! I am so excited to start this journey w/ my kiddos. #langchat #edchat #latinteach #tci
  • profemarcune Jan 19 @ 8:23 PM EST
    #langchat A2 are we learning spanish to read, write or speak? Maybe all but speech is most important. Use it or lose it.
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: when I emphasized accuracy many students would use the same verbs in writing/speaking to be correct #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2 #langchat It's all about our approach - are we encouraging or error shaming? And what fun is the latter? Then Ss don't want to learn it.
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: I think awareness can be a tool for students. Accuracy & knowing how accurate they are can be part of the process #langchat
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2) No one in "real life" says "Just present...just Lesson 4 today." Goals have to be communication & connectivity. #langchat
  • PollyGlotPress Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: #langchat Communication skills are independent & quickly useful while accuracy skills depend on foundation to be applicable.
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    #langchat A2 when the Ss realize what they can communicate even without accuracy in L1 there eyes light up at their potential in L2
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    #langchat A2 - I often mimic corrected version after - which my hubby does ALL the time... "so you're saying ..." and rephrases my words
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: I call it the communication train...at a certain point inaccuracy throws you off the train and no one understands. #LangChat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2 #langchat Serious Q: Until sts are faced w/communicate & be understood by non-sympathetic speaker, how will they really grasp goals?
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2 Communication can happen without accuracy! #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    #langchat A2 at lower levels, communication is priority, but accuracy ultimately needs refinemt as sts continue on lang learning journey
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    ooooh! Maybe this will help me with my grading issues this year! It takes forever w rubrics and feedback! #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3, @mweelin
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I started a list of idioms on the "word wall" (side white board) for just this reason! #langchat
    In reply to @sr_connolly
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    #langchat Q2 right now - discussing advantages to emphasizing communication right now! Remember A2 in your answer!
    • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST
      Q2 So when it comes to communication and/or accuracy, what are the advantages to emphasizing the former? Q2 #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Oops. #langchat and yes. I am.
    • lovemysummer Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
      Thomas, could you clarify this? Are you hungry?
      In reply to @tmsaue1, @Marishawkins
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    In theory of interlanguage / fossilization, many speakers "fossilize" because they can do what they want at NH and quit "trying" #langchat
    • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST
      #langchat A2 at lower levels, communication is priority, but accuracy ultimately needs refinemt as sts continue on lang learning journey
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Unless I'm giving you "the face" the errors are probably not too egregious #langchat
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2 communication is key to a language class not so much accuracy. Emphasis on this has produced less fear of speaking in som ss. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2 the conversation is more interesting (or activity is more authentic) b/c greater emphasis is placed on content over form. #langchat
  • ksipes129 Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2: Confidence! #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2: Ss are willing take risks with a sympathetic listener. A smile and a nod can go a long way in boosting confidence. #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2 - More risk-taking, more use of target language #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: I know I shut my mouth when I get corrected too frequently. #langchat #mymommylovesme #nopressure
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I disagree. Communicating a gist is still communicating, just not comprehensively #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: does advantages imply one is better than the other. I don't see them as mutually exclusive at all #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Lol. And this happens all the time in L1- we just move on and say huh? #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Here comes Q3, #langchat'ters!
  • MmeFarab Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    As always, you're looking ahead ... #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    sometimes words may be close but have different meanings so mess up communication! the only time I grade "spelling" #langchat
    In reply to @BThompsonEdu
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    here is where "being understood" is no longer enough-I think we have to be careful as Ts to not over emphasize #langchat 1/2
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A2 I think it is a reality some can accomplish the communication they want without the accuracy and will never pursue it #langchat
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    #langchat A2 pt1: example from mopi training. How old are you the children? (Was in spanish) as a rater we were told to answer the question.
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A2: if I had to pick one "advantage" it would be learners can see success towards end goal (communication) sooner #langchat
  • profemarcune Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    #langchat A2 are we learning language to read, write or speak? Maybe all but speech is most important. Use it or lose it.
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Such a rich source of language, culture, wisdom. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST
    #langchat I compare this to my Ss in English class cleaning up their, there, they're, & two, to, too #lifelonglearning
    In reply to @MundodePepita
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A2 - Also helps to change focus away from grades & toward learning when you're not counting the errors. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST
    stuff that's come up in reading/discussion (took a pic in case stupid night classes erase my board #langchat
    In reply to @lovemysummer, @sr_connolly
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST
    exactly. one letter difference in duck is a big deal. hard to say ahead of time what will cause the communication train to stop #langchat
    • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST
      sometimes words may be close but have different meanings so mess up communication! the only time I grade "spelling" #langchat
      In reply to @BThompsonEdu
  • HolaHonke Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST
    #langchat I need some help writing an assessment. Can anyone DM chat?
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Everything has its time and place. Accuracy becomes more important as students reach higher levels of proficiency. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST
    2/2 communication to detriment of learning to speak decently #langchat in our native lang we (most of us) want to speak well
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST
    #langchat A2 pt2 the rater answered their age. Ss got to ask a follow up question, which was what they were trying to ask in the 1st place
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST
    My Ss asked for something like this, too! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @sr_connolly
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST
    That's an excellent point - some many people even L1English speakers struggle with accuracy in certain areas. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @MundodePepita
  • marthaca82 Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Q2 Ss have freedom to perform at their level and take ownership. Get your message out! Then work your message up #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST
    but I think if you don't emphasize accuracy to some degree communication can be too limited #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM EST
    But that's a personal choice in learning. Students can choose not to be perfect, not to reach the next level. #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Q3 What kind of feedback effectively promotes communication? #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
    #langchat we all can get better in how we speak-our native lang, & the foreign langs we speak #lovethejourney
    In reply to @LauraErinParker, @dressurleben
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
    #langchat A3 Each time FrSts encounter a higher level expression in reading, they try to adopt!
    In reply to @profepj3, @SraSpanglish, @sr_connolly
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3: I feel like if I knew this answer I'd be a millionaire already. #LangChat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
    hi freq idioms is listed in intermediate domains we're using for portfolios, so... https://t.co/7zrgu80hZH #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3, @sr_connolly
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
    hi freq idioms is listed in intermediate domains we're using for portfolios, so... https://t.co/jNbC5qQBN9 #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3, @sr_connolly
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3 Affirmation, affirmation, affirmation- for COMPREHENSIBILITY. #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: depends on the ss; depends on the errors; depends on the situation #langchat one way probably not effective for everyone #LangChat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Naturally there's a post. :) #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @sr_connolly
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    #langchat A3 - I think responding promotes comm. Acknowledge what they said and respond appropriately.
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: in my red pen days, I would only mark errors and didn't see improvement- now I will see it all around- vocab, complexity etc #LangChat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    #langchat A3 at my level, interacting w my kiddos & going "with it" when they are speaking makes all the difference, no interrupting them
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    do you have some tips/activities that have worked for some? #langchat
    In reply to @BThompsonEdu
  • TweeterBham Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST
    CatherineKU72 : profepj3 SraSpanglish sr_connolly #langchat A3 Each time FrSts encounter a higher level expression… https://t.co/oqffGSJu7X)
    • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST
      #langchat A3 Each time FrSts encounter a higher level expression in reading, they try to adopt!
      In reply to @profepj3, @SraSpanglish, @sr_connolly
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 For novices and early Intermid- I think its all about encouragement, being a very sympathetic listener and CI - build them up!! #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3: SS said something and I responded and we communicated successfully and had a moment. #LangChat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3: that's a really hard question. Hmmmm #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 By responding back to them in L2. Shows "I understood you, let's engage in conversation." #langchat
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
    I agree - anything that shows that you are interested in what they say makes them want to communicate more. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
    #langchat A3 I like to do quick check ins w kids to note & acknowledge growth & effort, "personal conferences" a la #responsiveclassroom
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    #langchat A3 - I've been told immediate - like RIGHT after - helps promote accuracy in communication. Seems true but I need to work on it!
  • MCanion Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3 acknowledge ideas, creativity, humor, human interest, compassion #langchat @PRHSspanish
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    #langchat A3 praise of circumlocution and celebrating effective communication even if it wasn't accurate
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: Spontaneous feedback in my classroom comes as more input when I repeat what S said with more accuracy. #langchat
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: Feedback has to have *some* element of honesty in it -- always encouraging is great, but kids' BS detectors are epic. :) #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Yes! I respond in Spanish even if they do in English. Help give them words they're looking for, then we talk #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
      A3 By responding back to them in L2. Shows "I understood you, let's engage in conversation." #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I'm starting to think that affirmation/confidence-building is the only feedback they need at the beginning/novice levels. #langchat
    • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
      A3 For novices and early Intermid- I think its all about encouragement, being a very sympathetic listener and CI - build them up!! #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Yes! Featuring positivity acknowledges the human story inside all of our Ss. Everyone wins. A3 #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3: making sure you give SOME postive feedback encourages more results- also not happening w the red pen #waragainstredpens #LangChat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #langchat A3 feedback that helps them accomplish something they WANT--info, ideas that answer burning questions #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 For performance asmts, my feedback is about growing against the ACTFL rubric + minor grammar shifts. #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    OH YES!! #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 - When I was in HS, we got our teacher off topic to talk in French about TV shows. Great conversation / sneaky teacher move #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • sr_connolly Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    NSFW, but awesome: https://t.co/Eu3WlsAok2 #langchat
    In reply to @lovemysummer, @SraSpanglish
  • PollyGlotPress Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3: #langchat sincere response; show interest; probing question; facial gestures: smiles, eyebrows; appropriate reply shows comprehension;
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #langchat A3 - talking about them and their interests get them wanting to communicate. SO many kids shared their Snaps w/me today.
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #langchat A3 The "trick" will be to get University edus to be ok with this level. Motivated will continue, but need affirmation
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I agree mostly, but I think there are also ss who are ok with direct corrective feedback & that helps them not everyone, but some #LangChat
    • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
      I'm starting to think that affirmation/confidence-building is the only feedback they need at the beginning/novice levels. #langchat
      • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
        A3 For novices and early Intermid- I think its all about encouragement, being a very sympathetic listener and CI - build them up!! #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3b In class speaking, it's a quick correction that makes communication easier. #langchat
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
    my favorite responses are those that make me laugh and I always acknowledge how hard that is to do in L2! #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion, @PRHSspanish
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3 constant encouragement helps. And if they make accuracy errors, I simply repeat it correctly, like I would do with a child #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3 building a discourse community. I.e. Teacher responds to Ss in a way that builds conversation rather than evaluating response #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3 #langchat I love using my @spanishplans "My Favorite Part" stamp to positively frame feedback and the focus on communication.
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    This is so true! So many kids do not have the confidence to persevere, we need to be their coach & cheerleader #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • TweeterBham Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    CatherineKU72 : SECottrell #langchat A3 The "trick" will be to get University edus to be ok with this level. Motiv… https://t.co/wwHhvgsXNu)
    • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST
      #langchat A3 The "trick" will be to get University edus to be ok with this level. Motivated will continue, but need affirmation
      In reply to @SECottrell
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    And now I'm wondering what feedback hinders communication #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    CAN I GET AN AMEN. Biggest burning question for kids: am I good? #notjustacademically #langchat
    • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST
      I'm starting to think that affirmation/confidence-building is the only feedback they need at the beginning/novice levels. #langchat
      • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST
        A3 For novices and early Intermid- I think its all about encouragement, being a very sympathetic listener and CI - build them up!! #langchat
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A3 remain positive when they are trying to communicate. Guide them in the right direction to become better at TL #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    personal curiosity - do most parents correct their kids? I do - but sis-in-law doesn't. What's the norm? #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    yessss! Can't tell you how long I spent on a bathroom visit once! #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @LauraErinParker
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
    #langchat A3 I feel like half the battle is building and maintaining confidence so they will want to take risks.
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Q4 coming soon! #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST
    brother, you already know that answer #badfeelings #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST
    not sure! It's my natural tendency to repeat back to let speaker know I'm listening and understanding. #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST
    constant error correction. even when kids struggle in multiple areas- give too many areas for improvement in the feedback #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Agreed. Most of my feedback is praise/affirmation. Some students looking for more. #langchat
    In reply to @BThompsonEdu
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST
    embarrassing feedback; sarcasm; lack of empathy, corrective when not appropriate; too much red pen #beentheredonethat #LangChat
    • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST
      And now I'm wondering what feedback hinders communication #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Q4 #langchat When is it worth emphasizing accuracy?
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:39 PM EST
    so I've been pondering college Q a lot w/ help from @kltharri & #iflt16 amigos...#langchat
    In reply to @CatherineKU72, @SECottrell, @kltharri
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:39 PM EST
    If you understood what they said, why nit pic the grammar? Respond in a way that will vault their input &advance the conversation. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM EST
    for some ss this helps; we shouldn't not do it for them #LangChat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @jadelman75
  • marthaca82 Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Q3 focusing on the message. Encouraging to elaborate. You are here, can you go there? #langchat
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Feedback is most effective when: initiated by the student, in conjunction with self and/or peer assessment #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Yes, this!!! #langchat If I guffaw or burst out laughing, they nailed it! Happened today with, "Vete ya!" Ha!
    • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST
      my favorite responses are those that make me laugh and I always acknowledge how hard that is to do in L2! #langchat
      In reply to @MCanion, @PRHSspanish
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM EST
    @MlleSulewski I do this too. It's like I'm giving them the words. At minimum they hear it correctly #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @MlleSulewski
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4: in upper levels. Also maybe in AP? I feel like I don't have enough experience w AP to know... #langchat
  • MCanion Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Positive feedback is all I want as advanced student! @SraSpanglish @jadelman75 #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @jadelman75
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST
    college Ts can't take away goos foundation--let em beat accuracy in after I beat in communication #langchat
    In reply to @CatherineKU72, @SECottrell
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST
    All the this! #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    I struggle w/#langchat Q4! I don't want to stress my kids out, but I want them to be understood! #dilemma
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    If multi-timeframe isn't required until IH - why do we introduce past tense in year 2? Wud Ss benefit from more pres tense input? #langchat
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4- when I see a trend of repetitive similar errors, I will do a quick grammar lesson, and push for more accuracy. #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A3 #langchat I reward vulnerability which is huge & verbalize: "Can I ask you about ___ in front of everyone?" They almost always agree.
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    More than half! #langchat
    In reply to @mweelin
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Back the sympathetic listener argument. #langchat
    • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:39 PM EST
      If you understood what they said, why nit pic the grammar? Respond in a way that will vault their input &advance the conversation. #langchat
      In reply to @tmsaue1
  • PollyGlotPress Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4: #langchat Focus on accuracy when lack of impedes comprehension. Focus on accuracy if publishing for a formal audience
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    But if you don't need it until IH - why do we introduce it so soon? #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Yes, however, I think a majority of college classes are lower level when you look at number of ss communication still vital #LangChat
    • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST
      college Ts can't take away goos foundation--let em beat accuracy in after I beat in communication #langchat
      In reply to @CatherineKU72, @SECottrell
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    my thought is it's such a complicated concept that you want as much input as possible. No expectations of mastery. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I don't overtly correct errors. More like if child said "i teached you" i would say "oh you taught me? #langchat
    In reply to @PamKMarkell, @SraDentlinger
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    YES! Patterns of errors are all that REALLY need to be addressed anyway! #langchat
    • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
      A4- when I see a trend of repetitive similar errors, I will do a quick grammar lesson, and push for more accuracy. #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    #langchat A4 I think accuracy matters at all levels, the difference is the degree of accuracy- far less at novice, more at adv
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    #langchat A4 when it effects communication. Example from this week span1 hermano vs hermana vs hermosa vs mono vs mano #breakdowncanbequick
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    Also, I believe teachers should allow time for, and students can independently act on, feedback to improve their learning #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    so they can start practicing with it sooner to get better grasp on it? #mydoscentavos #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    #langchat Or we can introduce any tense or mood as learned chunks even at Level1. Gives communicative support, less stress
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
    it's not that you don't NEED it, just not a reliable user of it until IH #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @profepj3
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    it takes a LOOONG time to truly sink in! Can't just teach it then have it there the next day! Gotta play w/ it #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    but novices tend to be MORE accurate thanks to memorization. #langchat
    In reply to @MundodePepita
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I notice my students always mimic my tú form verbs, since I am talking TO them. #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @SraDentlinger, @MlleSulewski
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    "I-R-E" responses are not so good for advancing communication. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • LauraErinParker Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A4: I feel like this is a timing thing - when kids are comfortable and communicating - then start moving gradually to accuracy #langchat
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    #langchat Q4 AP essay rubrics 30%=Lang use, 70%=content. So you can make mistakes w/accuracy and do well.
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I think I just started choking... 😱 #langchat
    • lovemysummer Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST
      Preach! Or--in the case of my son's level 3 class where teacher said "we will learn the other 21 tenses this semester"
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    True statement #langchat
    • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST
      it takes a LOOONG time to truly sink in! Can't just teach it then have it there the next day! Gotta play w/ it #langchat
      In reply to @dressurleben
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    $1,000,000 question right there. #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST
      If multi-timeframe isn't required until IH - why do we introduce past tense in year 2? Wud Ss benefit from more pres tense input? #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    I like it when ss realize on their own they've been making an "error" just by hearing a phrase said correctly by other ss #langchat
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    #langchat A4 when understanding is completely impeded then accuracy comes into play
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    PS #langchat do you know we on the moderator team have an exciting announcement at the end of the chat?
  • jadelman75 Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Most of my feedback is accompanied by "this comes to everyone at different times, so you're doing great!" #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion, @SraSpanglish
  • kclarkwny Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A4: depends on the student. So many different levels in my classes! #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST
    I don't shield them from language. I'm just wondering if forcing IH output in Yr2 is ridiculous expectation of mine #langchat
    In reply to @CatherineKU72
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Here comes Q5! #langchat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST
    In general, we have many great ideas about improving, promoting growth > IM. We can't force change on grammar-focused colleagues #langchat
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Sp1 Ss I get have all 3 - prsnt, preterite, imperfect... and don't know the diff! SO hard to sort that out for me! #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST
    #langchat Asking myself same question....
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST
    @dressurleben ugh and I just have to try not to have to teach all past, future and conditional #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @dressurleben
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    winter tshirt? new mod? free cookies from @MmeFarab to tweet of the night? what? what? what? #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @MmeFarab
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    If we go total acquisition argument, why not all tenses from the beginning? This is #TCI position #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @dressurleben
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I have to say... it depends on how they're used. I probably teach at least that but not exclusive preterite #langchat
    In reply to @lovemysummer
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Q5 #langchat Back on feedback - now, what kind of feedback effectively promotes accuracy?
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Oh good, I wonder how many times I've tweeted "Lang hat" tonight #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST
      yes! "I went" is extremely useful language. Past tense need not be a secret #Lang hat
      In reply to @CatherineKU72, @dressurleben
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    absolutely! So if my kids strut in using paragraphs & they want to nitpick definite articles, LET EM #suckers #langchat
    In reply to @BThompsonEdu
  • lovemysummer Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    #langchat Check out this student’s thoughts on helpful v. not helpful feedback
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST
    #langchat yes, I meant as a continuum from novice to adv, novices are accurate but have small repertoire & very basic speech
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    I say don't shield them from multi-tense input, but don't expect the output. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @CatherineKU72
  • profemarcune Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    #langchat A2 @VP @DrBiden44 maybe Joe will have time to come in now to sign his poster. We are right down the road at Aidupont high school
    • profemarcune Dec 7 @ 9:42 AM EST
      I found this ultra rare campaign poster of @VP @JoeBiden please come to AiHS & sign it 4 me.I searched the internet & couldn't find another.
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Q4) in young learners, when they are speaking spontaneously #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    I'd much rather have paragraphs as well #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    I have to confess I wish I had this skill - to mix tenses in instruction. #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell, @dressurleben
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A4 if the errors are consistent I will kindly correct and explain in a mini lesson. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    oh, I'm really hoping it's the #langchat cookies.
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @MmeFarab
  • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
    According to @teawithbvp we don't acquire subjunctive-like discourse until after 15ish years of input #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell, @SraDentlinger, @teawithbvp
  • SECottrell Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    This is a loaded, loaded question, you dastardly Q5 #langchat A5: does anyone know?
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    #langchat Expecting optimal use of 3+ tenses won't lead to better communicators. Always see Q: why don't my sts get past tenses in level1?
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    I only ever do this if it happens naturally; if I'm telling a story, etc. Never planned #langchat
    In reply to @SraDentlinger, @SECottrell, @dressurleben
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A4: some tenses are so much easier than others- the logic of the traditional grammar path is so flawed. Condition is a cakewalk #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    well, like in 10 minutes we will... #langchat #ormakeemwaitmore?
    In reply to @PRHSspanish, @tmsaue1, @MmeFarab
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    don't shield them from using any tense without knowing they are using a "tense" #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @dressurleben, @CatherineKU72
  • MundodePepita Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
    when in context, tenses make more sense to sts & don't need to be in "order" #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell, @SraDentlinger, @dressurleben
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:50 PM EST
    nope! If I figure it out, I should earn big bucks! #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • PreKlanguages Jan 19 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Q5) Feedback is most effective when it is given at the time of the learning so that students can make improvements as they go. #langchat
  • mweelin Jan 19 @ 8:50 PM EST
    #langchat Subjunctive made no sense til I lived in Spain. Classrm was pointless.
    In reply to @dressurleben, @SECottrell, @SraDentlinger
  • GrowingFrench Jan 19 @ 8:51 PM EST
    we have to rethink what we are teaching- subjunctive, passe simple.. seriously these are not Intermediate survival tools #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST
      According to @teawithbvp we don't acquire subjunctive-like discourse until after 15ish years of input #langchat
      In reply to @SECottrell, @SraDentlinger, @teawithbvp
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A5 #langchat Feedback for accuracy is most effective for my Ss when THEY ask for it, no sooner.
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A4 I emphasize accuracy on assignments w/multiple drafts or something that hinders communication--gender marker, time marker, etc #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:51 PM EST
    #langchat A5 I gotta go with the targeted practice on observed patterns of errors #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A5: IMO the ss needs to be ready for the feedback. Cognitively, emotionally (sometimes), and self-aware. #langchat
  • TweeterBham Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST
    CatherineKU72 : #langchat Expecting optimal use of 3+ tenses won't lead to better communicators. Always see Q: wh… https://t.co/tibuC9Cs7p)
    • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST
      #langchat Expecting optimal use of 3+ tenses won't lead to better communicators. Always see Q: why don't my sts get past tenses in level1?
  • MlleSulewski Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Ducking out early! Bonsoir #langchat!
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST
    #langchat And yet we continue to see Ts use same pattern: Preterit>Imperfect. Sigh.
    In reply to @MundodePepita, @SECottrell, @SraDentlinger, @dressurleben
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST
    You will not let those cookies go, will you? LOL #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @SraSpanglish, @MmeFarab
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST
    I did imperfect THEN pret when I taught traditional methods..worked GREAT! #langchat
    In reply to @CatherineKU72, @MundodePepita, @SECottrell, @dressurleben
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:53 PM EST
    I don't mind the pattern as long as I'm willing to break it if ss want/need it #LangChat
    • CatherineKU72 Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST
      #langchat And yet we continue to see Ts use same pattern: Preterit>Imperfect. Sigh.
      In reply to @MundodePepita, @SECottrell, @SraDentlinger, @dressurleben
  • marthaca82 Jan 19 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Q4 when if really affects the message. "Me gusto son muchas peras" 😂 😂#langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:53 PM EST
    @PRHSspanish is it time? Can I do it? Can I tell 'em? #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • BlackBoxPodcast Jan 19 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5 I feel it's time to share @kltharri's excellent video on feedback research, Step Away from the Red Pen https://t.co/Btp4BJaoVS #langchat
    In reply to @kltharri
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 19 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5 the little on the spot grammar when I notice glaring errors #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Two snaps #LangChat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:54 PM EST
    #langchat we have something BETTER than cookies for you!! It's our NEW MODERATOR @SRADENTLINGER!!!
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • PollyGlotPress Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5 #langchat Quality feedback = quality & interesting response (new input) and improves accuracy, desire to do more and better
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
    thanks for making it official! I look forward to serving you all in #langchat world!
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
    #langchat OK, #langchat'ters, what are your takeaways?? And by the way... welcome @SraDentlinger, our newest #langchat MODERATOR!!!
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5 according to ACTFL Core Practices: repeating the Ss utterance up until their mistake and allowing them to correct the mistake. #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5 Timely feedback is most effective. Ss can't grow from a mistake they made a month ago if they don't know. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
    if I could eliminate the word "errors" from our teaching vocabulary, we wouldn't even be having this discussion #notyet #continuum #langchat
  • SraWienhold Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST
    congrats 🎊🎈🍾🎉 you will be amazing! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @SraDentlinger
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST
    This is a great way to put it. If feedback isn't ultimately lifting up or facilitating growth, we should re-think it #langchat
    • PollyGlotPress Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST
      A5 #langchat Quality feedback = quality & interesting response (new input) and improves accuracy, desire to do more and better
  • SraDentlinger - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST
    My #langchat TAs... investigate idea of sympathetic/native listeners!
  • KrisClimer Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Hey #langchat, just jumping in at the end to welcome @SraDentlinger to the team and to say how bummed I am to have missed this chat.
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • Marishawkins Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST
    ooooh and grades? Is that too soon? #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • PamKMarkell Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5I struggle with this because I want to give meaningful feedback. Also each ss is different #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:57 PM EST
    YESSSS!!! You are so infinitely wise. Can I dub you #langchat Yoda?
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 19 @ 8:57 PM EST
    I can only climb one mountain at a time #toosoon #langchat
    In reply to @Marishawkins, @tmsaue1
  • VTracy7 Jan 19 @ 8:57 PM EST
    #langchat
    • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:57 PM EST
      "Communicate or communicate not. There is no error."
      In reply to @VTracy7, @tmsaue1
  • WLImmersionLPSS Jan 19 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A1 focus on oral expression in Novice level. Intermediate, focus broadens 2 written production. #langchat
  • srafischer Jan 19 @ 8:58 PM EST
    #langchat TA help students jump into the mess of language. Praise the messy. Question the incomprehensible to get more from them.
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Example in English Ss: yesterday I goed to the store. T: Yesterday I..... S: Went! #langchat
  • lovemysummer Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Shameless plug related to Q5: I'm presenting on feedback strategies at Central States. Not an expert, but have some stuff to share #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Thanks for a great #langchat, everybody! And another big ole welcome to @SraDentlinger, our newest moderator! Sequel chat on Saturday!
    In reply to @SraDentlinger
  • KrisClimer Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Me, too, amiga. #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • doriecp Jan 19 @ 9:00 PM EST
    I've been doing this ever since I learned that the research supports it and noticed it does help! #langchat