#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.

Monday June 4, 2018
3:00 PM EDT

  • RSC_EiC Jun 4 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Use this example of chromatography in the news to add context to this analytical technique #asechat #chemchat https://t.co/yeH5VkN7jx
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Signed in and ready to go! #ASEChat #PrimaryRocks
  • stormeducation Jun 4 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    #asechat hello world!
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Two #ASEChat topics suggested tonight -1) a quick review of the year so far, with all the attendant changes in our professional lives; 2) transition issues
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Good evening - although I am speaking only in a personal capacity #ASEChat
    In reply to @stormeducation
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    Hi @stormeducation Have you noticed a change in school department finances this year? #asechat
    In reply to @stormeducation, @stormeducation
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    I would be very interested in how schools expenditure on science resources may have changed over the year #asechat
    In reply to @stormeducation
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    good evening everyone, long time no see, its time for #asechat
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    #ASEChat What Went Well: Really engaging science day - whole buzz, slowly influencing staff approach to teaching science in primary.
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    reading back some recent tweets I wish there was a ‘like’ button but in a sarcastic way.. maybe there is, and it’s the way you tell ‘em #asechat
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Is it too early to say that the curriculum is becoming more balanced again after a hard focus on KS2 SATs subjects? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Which parts really helped your teachers, with their science teaching? #asechat
    • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:03 PM EDT
      #ASEChat What Went Well: Really engaging science day - whole buzz, slowly influencing staff approach to teaching science in primary.
  • stormeducation Jun 4 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Hi @ViciaScience. It's hard to tell in general, schools still say they have no money, and so much of the money seems to be held centrally #asechat
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    The BSW activity packs, and lots of resourcing from me - build their confidence and willingness to take risks in T&L #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Centrally? que? where is this place #asechat
    In reply to @stormeducation, @ViciaScience
  • stormeducation Jun 4 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    #asechat @NeedhamL56, it is surprising that twitter hasn't followed facebook with a selection of buttons of that type
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    BSW? #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    I guess there are as many answers to the finance question as there are schools. Not sure devolved budgets has helped science over recent years #ASEChat
    In reply to @stormeducation
  • TJohns85 Jun 4 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    #asechat @ViciaScience is this primary -secondary transition? I would interested to know what data other schools get - do you do standardised testing? Project work etc.
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    yes, some people might call this ‘transfer’ rather than transition #asechat
    In reply to @TJohns85, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #asechat come on where have you been, British science week; principal's office: and I retweet sarcastically!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @MrChurchTweets
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    www: getting back into the classroom after two years out; getting through the first year in a very different environment (part boarding school); finding different avenues for PD in and out of school #asechat
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Best to kick off with primary / secondary transition as this will be the most frequently encountered, but lets not forget middle and tertiary transitions #ASEChat
    In reply to @TJohns85
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Thats a good idea...to show how to use ready made resources, less reinventing the wheel #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    Hey Steve - no sarcasm button needed on twitter - just get to know your 'correspondents' #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @MrChurchTweets
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    #asechat really! Thought I might have reinvented them?
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @MrChurchTweets
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    So what is most rewarding - classrooms, or external influencer of classrooms? #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    3 packs still available to download https://t.co/hoYRFcOqx2 from #BSW EY, primary and secondary. also 2017 available, and can be linked to Crest awards @ScienceWeekUK #asechat (Great for transition?)
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    From what I see on Twitter it's much too early to say that in most schools - there are exceptions though where outstanding STEM work is happening regardless of SATs #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    only trying to help those who might not know the acronym! #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MrChurchTweets
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    Well it is so easy to become despondent listening to some people - just trying to open up a link of light - great opportunities for teaching science (indoors and out) at this time of year #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @MrChurchTweets
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    great hashtag! :) #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1
  • mrsjmasters Jun 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    The thing I find most difficult about primary to secondary transition is the varying experience of children from different primaries. Some have done lots of prac sci, some only theory. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Day-to-day it is the interaction in the classroom - longer term I really enjoy being able to share ideas beyond the department. Still relatively new to this side compare with others of course. #asechat
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    True! Think there’s a mismatch too - primary is heavily skills focused - secondary more about the knowledge (?) #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters, @ViciaScience
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Agreed, I think post SATs some excellent science goes on in a lot of school but I am not convinced it's consistent through the year, especially from Jan - May #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    I sometimes wish the people responsible for such outstanding work in the classroom were prepared to share ideas with the rest of us - writing journal / blog articles for example #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @MrChurchTweets
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    #asechat sorry #asechat ?? :)
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @MrChurchTweets
  • teacherchalky1 Jun 4 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Help get students ready for their A Level Biology Exam using this summary poster! #ukedchat #revision #gcse #science #asechat #nqtchat #ittchat #aussieED #edchat #TeamScience
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Even that is very variable. We have many who come in who have been drilled relentlessly for entrance exams, so have little practical experience #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @mrsjmasters, @ViciaScience
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Some do and more are being encouraged to all the time - but you're right we still need to get more of the excellent practitioners out there to share their ideas widely #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    I know some schools where science goes out of the window in Year 5 “because of the SATs” then doesn’t get taught again til the end of Year 6 - nearly a year and a half between. Shocking! #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmasters Jun 4 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Do you know - I often find the opposite! Students who can tell me all about space and science they’ve seen on YouTube but can’t tell me about variables, draw graphs, tables or use equipment. I guess it’s due to the lack of equipment in primaries and non-specialists #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    It’s getting over that “I haven’t got anything to say” mentality. #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Needs the secondary school to take a lead? Do 'primary science visits' do the job or should secondary pupils visit primaries as 'science ambassadors'? #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    Having them for five years makes making the most of KS3 all the more critical for preparing them for GCSE study. Filling the knowledge gaps, getting them to a good practical competence, developing their scientific literacy etc etc. #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @mrsjmasters, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    This is a problematical especially if you have lots of feeder primaries ( I’ve heard of one with 43!) So how does each phase ‘reach out’ for science? #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters, @ViciaScience
  • AngeSciTeach Jun 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Gained time? #asechat (no exam classes this year)
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Typical in London! I think my current school is sending children to 15 (?) secondaries. Hard to establish good links #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @mrsjmasters, @ViciaScience
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Such a shame when science is such an amazing subject for engaging and inspiring children and the links to maths and literacy can only enhance children's overall experiences. Most of my science is taught with a heavy literacy or maths element #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    some good articles in @theASE primary journal from practitioners like @Glazgow :) #asechat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @theASE, @Glazgow
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    Like this idea - bit of both? Lots of my children are just excited to go and blow stuff up and play with bunson burners. #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    In an ideal world teachers should be able to do both in my opinion, which is why I support DfE proposals for secondment after several years teaching #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    If it was as simple as one secondary to a handful of primaries this may work, but with such variety of transitions from primary to secondary could this be workable? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • TwinklScience Jun 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    I really like this idea #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Very kind of you :-) There are lots of fantastic articles in Primary Science Journal and some brilliant contributors #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @theASE
  • TJohns85 Jun 4 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    I am currently working with all our feeders so there is much more communication and sharing of resources #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    We have Yr3-6 up every year in the science department - and many other departments do, but not nearly to the same extent with other primaries that students come from. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • TwinklScience Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Does that then come with the expectation that all science lessons will be like that? #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Highlight of my #ASE membership - love reading about all the great ideas happening #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @theASE
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Very true - I think Teachmeets might be the best way to tackle this - share something for 2 mins, then 5, then 7 and then write an article #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Sometimes it is a lack of confidence - or just thinking I am doing my job, when really they are doing an exceptional job. This is why external links, mentoring, recognition are so important to teaching #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Come on, put your hands up #SLTchat does this happen in your school? We need to build trust at transition, and not just for E & M #asechat
    • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:17 PM EDT
      I know some schools where science goes out of the window in Year 5 “because of the SATs” then doesn’t get taught again til the end of Year 6 - nearly a year and a half between. Shocking! #ASEChat
      In reply to @Glazgow, @ViciaScience
  • AngeSciTeach Jun 4 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    I agree. Teachers are their own worst critics and rarely recognise when they do something well #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Nice @theASE take note #asechat
    • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:21 PM EDT
      Highlight of my #ASE membership - love reading about all the great ideas happening #ASEChat
      In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @theASE
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Nature of the beast at times. Hard to change the mindset. Teachmeets are definitely a great way to combat this! #ASEchat
    In reply to @AngeSciTeach, @Glazgow, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Are you in the fortunate position of being able to take your classes through several years, or is it 'all change' in September? #ASEChat Some continuity is important
    In reply to @dave2004b, @MrChurchTweets, @mrsjmasters
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Agree, although I think a more sustainable model may be supporting part-time teaching/part-time 'something else'. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • mrsjmasters Jun 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    In terms of transition from KS4-5 I think my biggest challenge is the jump in independence. Next year I plan to be much more explicit in terms of expectations with additional work outside the classroom then take the reins off after a while. #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    More to do with the focus on content, rather than working scientifically, perhaps this is the area thats most fruitful for transition type activities. (Same for all? ) #asechat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters, @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    Hopefully @Psqm_HQ can have an impact too - the Outreach award is all about sharing beyond your school and getting involved with science teaching networks #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @AngeSciTeach, @ViciaScience, @Psqm_HQ
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    #asechat or start with a pop up share then teachmeet then article then full cod session
    In reply to @Glazgow, @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • oboelizzy Jun 4 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Heard several reports in last few months of this - hits chem particularly badly because no chem in yr 6 #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Sounds like a good dissertation topic… if only we knew someone who was exploring the impact of PSQM ;-) #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @AngeSciTeach, @ViciaScience, @Psqm_HQ
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    And so do teachers! So it can be challenging to remember to be clear about purpose of some of these activities that have a high entertainment value. #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @mrsjmasters
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    Yep - small steps, realise people want to hear what you're sharing and develop confidence from there. The ASE Primary pop up and Teachmeet were outstanding this year and will only grow going forward #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    As far as possible teachers remain with their groups, but some they are more and more set moving through Yr7 to Y10 when they are fixed, so some change over. Certainly Yr9-11 keep same teacher as far as possible. Yr7-8 a bit more variable #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @mrsjmasters
  • stormeducation Jun 4 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    #ASEchat #SLtchat @NeedhamL56 We very much think #science is something that many schools fit in, if they have time after the important stuff like maths, and english is cone
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    I think that’s why Pop-Up at conference has always been well received - less intimidating. thanks to @seeley_claire #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @Glazgow, @ViciaScience, @seeley_claire
  • oboelizzy Jun 4 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Understand that one very well!! #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Never easy even with a 'captive' primary pyramid supporting just one or two secondaries. Each needs an individual solution, and personal relationships built up #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @mrsjmasters
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Oh yes, seeing how the other half lives for longer than just an odd afternoon, would be a great way to improve understanding too the other phases #asechat @educationgovuk
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @dave2004b, @educationgovuk
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    And I guess it can be quite hard work to draw some common threads? #ASEChat
    In reply to @TJohns85, @mrsjmasters
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    I use the rates topic to do this - I wrote a chapter of a book, and provide them practical opportunities, but its a much more 'student-directed' topic than normal. Anecdotally, they seem to enjoy the bit more freedom, and seem to learn what I expect of them #ASEchat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters
  • aegilopoides Jun 4 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    My gained time picked up 6 new classes including planning lessons that I can't teach because I'm already teaching another class. No gained time this year :( #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    And therein lies a bit part of the problem - time is always at a premium, and coordinating secondary staff time/cover and primary school priorities is a major hindrance. #asechat Not insurmountable, but hard.
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    The 'trick' would be to make sure the 'something else' did not become more important than the classroom or we could lose many talented teachers #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    So what can the different phases do to help make this better? #asechat
    • Snotlady5 Jun 4 @ 3:29 PM EDT
      Not at the school my children attend but I know there are lots of schools who do this as my year 7 have fed this back to me- such a shame 😢😢
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Is the presence of two science GCSE routes (comb sci or triple) a challenge to KS4/5 transition? #ASEChat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    Yikes! Sounds familiar from previous schools - often lost teachers at Easter and not replaced. Students need teaching so we step in, getting to the end of term feeling unprepared for the next academic year :( #asechat
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    Scrap Year 6 SATS… that would help! Also reinforce that science IS a core subject at primary #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    I’ll look forward to reading the final version! #asechat :)
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow, @AngeSciTeach, @ViciaScience, @Psqm_HQ
  • TJohns85 Jun 4 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    It’s getting there. Maybe I’ll write a blog on the journey at some part but it has started with a shared vision with Science leads and regular meetings. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    A potential problem, but compare with the current attrition rate, many are leaving because of burn out already - a mixed career may help more stay on for longer #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    double like! especially the second bit… #asechat Science is a core subject in English (and Welsh?) schools, hey does it get the same curriculum time as E & M? @Ofstednews
    • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:31 PM EDT
      Scrap Year 6 SATS… that would help! Also reinforce that science IS a core subject at primary #ASEChat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    #asechat return to implications of 1987 science for all Act!!!
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    Agree - teachers should recognise this as part of becoming an experienced teacher, but no recognition scheme in place as far as I know (cod sounds fishy - should it be cpd?) #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @Glazgow, @MrChurchTweets
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    You’ll know when the balance is right - there won’t be a need for ‘Science Week’. When did you last hear of a ‘English Week’? #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    #ASEchat www I am finding it easier to balance my many roles and have enjoyed some really interesting and varied work. Really happy with how my y8 curriculum has settled down and had some nice comments from other members of staff about it
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    #asechat CPD mark
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @Glazgow, @MrChurchTweets
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:34 PM EDT
    talking to each other might help, so that the perceived gaps can be taken into account at transition. Children must feel frustrated in lessons where they either repeat stuff or are expected to build on prior K that they don’t yet know #asechat
    In reply to @Snotlady5
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    Quite like the idea of a COD mark - good fish and chips everywhere! #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @Glazgow
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #ASEChat ebi: I need to get my head around practicals for y13, I hate all the tracking and their prac books look awful by the end of the year. There must be a better way but I need to find it and evaluate it.
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:35 PM EDT
    #asechat world book day, poetry day, libraries week, sci do day, blog day
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Not great for ocean sustainability though ;-) #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    I certainly find carousels of teacher 'specialists' in Y10 / 11 a concern. But then some teachers are unhappy at teaching outside their specialism #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @MrChurchTweets, @mrsjmasters
  • oboelizzy Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Until govt+wider community appreciate that excellent education from 1st class teachers involves a vast amount more than standing in front of the class we are not going to move forward much☹ #asechat Apologies for the downer (way I feel at mo)
    In reply to @dave2004b, @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    @educationgovuk scrap the SATs - trust teachers with their judgements. #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56, @educationgovuk
  • PrimaryEmma Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Hi new to these chats so hope you don’t mind me popping up! I’m in ITT and some students see/teach very little Science and in many schools it’s not seen as core. #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    Grr! Fair point… no ‘maths week’ tho (is there??) #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    That would be the best option - we really need the non-teachers making these decisions to get past the 'data is everything' issue - it's doing far more harm than good #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56, @educationgovuk
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    #asechat oh yes, pi day, numbers day etc
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Hi Emma! It was the same when I was training - I think I saw Science in only one of my placements, and wasn’t taught well… #ASEChat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    Welcome @PrimaryEmma you bring an interesting perspective, what do you do in ITT to support your students with science? #asechat
    • PrimaryEmma Jun 4 @ 3:36 PM EDT
      Hi new to these chats so hope you don’t mind me popping up! I’m in ITT and some students see/teach very little Science and in many schools it’s not seen as core. #asechat
      In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    Noted… I retract my tweet. As it happens, I love science day/week. I get to focus ALL my teaching on science #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    #asechat 1987 science for all act established science as the one subject All primary teaches should teach
    In reply to @Glazgow, @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Always worth documenting initiatives like this, even if you decide not to publish outside school, it can help colleagues who may follow you. #ASEChat
    In reply to @TJohns85, @mrsjmasters
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    We have a Scottish Maths Week - it's great but I haven't yet figured what's different about Scottish maths? Other then the kilts, haggis and whisky :-) #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Apparently they are called 'braided' careers (or so the Royal Society research I am being interviewed for says)... the trick is to make the jobs complimentary not competition... works for me anyway #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @ViciaScience
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Why did I not know that… I’m ashamed at myself this evening. Think I might have to go and crawl under a rock (I blame report writing) #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    No cod? #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • oboelizzy Jun 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Welcome! Where are you based in the country? #asechat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    I agree, secondment can help prevent burn out, but need to remain in employ of the school to ensure benefits are shared with colleagues on return #ASEchat
    In reply to @dave2004b
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Good question! @NeedhamL56 could we have a ‘tweet map’ for ASE members? might be good to know who’s local… #ASEChat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @PrimaryEmma, @NeedhamL56, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Doesn't make any difference to us. Like Jane says, it is the independence that is the issue, not the content. 'Double/triple' makes no difference to pupils attitudes and independent study skills #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @mrsjmasters
  • PrimaryEmma Jun 4 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    Many don’t get to ‘practice’ with the support of their teacher/mentor before having their own class and then feel unprepared. I do have some amazing students who I know will be brilliant science subject leaders who push the subject! #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    #asechat by the nature of twitter are we not all 'local' now?
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @oboelizzy, @PrimaryEmma, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Also remember there is a transition beyond school for our post-16 students. Some into employment but many into further study. How well do we support that as teachers? #ASEChat
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Report writing will do that to you ;-) #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Also see primary assessment section on @theASE web site https://t.co/89slyNqe0u #PLAN to support your understanding of what pupils can do as a secondary teacher (as well as 1ry) #asechat
    In reply to @Snotlady5, @theASE
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    I think that’s it - I had excellent lectures while training (@catfreak147 @Greprimarysci) they really encouraged me to push science at school #ASEChat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @NeedhamL56, @catfreak147, @Greprimarysci
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Only in a Cullen Skink style soup! #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    Now I certainly don't have enough hair for that... ;) I've heard them called other things as well - can't remember off the top of my head. Taking the leap away from a full time role with one employer can be an intimating prospect #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
    I have no idea what that is… You do realise I don’t leave the M25 unless it’s vital. #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    #asechat during placement do they meet and discuss science with school science lead? Maybe even see it in that class?
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • mrsjmasters Jun 4 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Mine all come from single biology but it’s not the content they struggle with - it’s the expectation I have that they go home, open their folders, re-read their notes and check the text book and do some orca questions even if I haven’t set “homework”. #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Does it really matter what their books look like? How do students respond to required pracs? #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    Haha - #PSEC in Edinburgh June 2019 - come and see us in sunny Scotland! #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    If it is secondment then this would be implied. However, if benefits are for the wider teaching community then I don't think it is necessarily essential. I think my 2 years out benefited me, and I think I'm helping other beyond my department now. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    #asechat #PLAN check out new resources when new ASE website launches
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @Snotlady5, @theASE
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    we’ve just spent 11 days North of the border, still not worked out what Cullen Skink is (but was reassured it wasn’t veggie! ;) #asechat
    • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:43 PM EDT
      Only in a Cullen Skink style soup! #asechat
      In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Smoked haddock soup - finest soup in the world (so I'm told) #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Hi Emma! @PrimaryEmma Welcome to #ASEChat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56, @PrimaryEmma
  • PrimaryEmma Jun 4 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Hi I’m in Primary ITT after teaching for 12 years and being Science SL (also very proud to have achieved PSQM Gold). Some schools seem to have a real balance and a strong focus on science...others less so which makes me cross then sad #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Yes! I need to look into that. Not a fellow, so will have to fund myself. #ASEChat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    That's the phrase - having that long-term secondment is a certainly a useful stepping stone, and I guess your school gets a huge amount back from you crossing the divide, and all the other experiences you bring in. #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    #asechat and therefore 'unlawful' in several ways?!!!
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Get saving - it'll be well worth it. #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Indeed, the benefit runs in both directions both for me as a teacher and for the pupils/students and school/university. #ASEchat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @ViciaScience
  • Yorks_Bunny Jun 4 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    I’m late to the party... what’s the topic? #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Watch for update at end of term #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    I have no issue with them 'knowing' the orcas for the exam, more that I want them to be better with their books (as most will go on and study science in HE) and also find it easier for me to track what was done well for the official record #ASEchat
    In reply to @mrsjmasters
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Once you've had it I don't this it ever really leaves you behind...the delicate scent of smoked haddock anyway! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Review of the year www/ebi plus transition I believe #asechat
    In reply to @Yorks_Bunny
  • PrimaryEmma Jun 4 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    They are expected to - issues can be if they’re in a MAT then the SL may be based at a different school. They all have to teach it and do associated tasks but they may only see one lesson on their whole placement #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    Do you think that makes the event a bit of a clique? (the good get better? ) #asechat
    • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:47 PM EDT
      Yes! I need to look into that. Not a fellow, so will have to fund myself. #ASEChat
      In reply to @Glazgow, @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @Ofstednews
  • Yorks_Bunny Jun 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    At the UTC we have students joining us at the start of year 10 as well as transitioning in and out at the start of ks5. #asechat
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    The knack is to use an app like tweetdeck on a computer. Much quicker than typing on a phone. #asechat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Everything seems a bit random - cod, cullen skink, braided careers on one hand, transition, role of science KS2 SATS, etc on the other #ASEChat
    In reply to @Yorks_Bunny
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Do let @theASE know, they are looking to publish a ‘science calendar’ #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow, @theASE
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Hence my hesitation to become a fellow. CSciTeach looks just as appealing. #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • Yorks_Bunny Jun 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Excellent - organised chaos 😂 #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    AAARGH! #asechat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @stevethedoc1, @MrChurchTweets
  • PrimaryEmma Jun 4 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    ???? I have so much to learn! I felt quite proud of myself using the hashtag! #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    don’t worry, neither can the rest of us! #asechat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @ViciaScience, @MrChurchTweets
  • Yorks_Bunny Jun 4 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    This means we have to quickly baseline their knowledge and teach the whole of GCSE in 21 months. Getting better at doing this each year #asechat
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    You should feel proud for keeping up. It takes a while to get used to it #ASEChat
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    I use tweetdeck too, but still 'lose the thread' so start responding only to most recent posts. I try to compile a listing after each #ASEChat so can look back at missed posts
    In reply to @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets, @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Jun 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    #asechat surely MAT or school are not meeting conditions for placement if students?!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    look out for @ViciaScience ’s link at the end of the #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets, @ViciaScience
  • doc_kristy Jun 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Yes that too Helen, excellent idea! 2 days is most likely, would need teaching in specialisms though as otherwise science load is too high and end up with split classes. So I teach 2 days and do KS3 and A level because it is easier to tt #asechat
    In reply to @hecharden, @ViciaScience, @dave2004b
  • Glazgow Jun 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    I don't think so - it's open to anyone, just like ASE and most other conferences, and hopefully many teachers from across the UK will think it's worthwhile and make the trip up to Edinburgh for some excellent primary science focused CPD. #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    I think there is a lot of ‘conditions for placement’ not been fulfilled across the myriad of ITT routes these days, but who’s checking? #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @PrimaryEmma, @MrChurchTweets
  • dave2004b Jun 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Quite so - I'm sure its not beyond the wit of man to create an environment where this was the norm rather than the exception #asechat
    In reply to @hecharden, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Is the new spec easier or more challenging to teach in restricted time? #ASEChat
    In reply to @Yorks_Bunny
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    #asechat I’m being nagged to be sociable and actually spend time with my other half. So signing off for the eve. Thanks to all for another great chat @Glazgow @NeedhamL56 @ViciaScience @PrimaryEmma @stevethedoc1
  • MrChurchTweets Jun 4 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    What do Ofsted have to say about it when they inspect ITT? @Ofstednews #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @stevethedoc1, @PrimaryEmma, @Ofstednews
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Jun 4 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    but more likely that fellows will attend because of financial support? Apologies if I’ve got this wrong… #asechat (Not dissing the opportunity that it affords!)
    In reply to @Glazgow
  • ViciaScience Jun 4 @ 3:59 PM EDT
    Thank you for your contributions and support for what has been quite a wide ranging discussion #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets, @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56, @PrimaryEmma, @stevethedoc1