#octmchat Archive


Thursday September 13, 2018
8:30 PM EDT

  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    It's time! Join us for tonight's #octmchat, now through 9:00 EST.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Who’s joining us tonight? Take a moment to say hello! #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A couple of reminders for our chat…don’t forget to include #octmchat in all your tweets tonight.
  • missedwards321 Sep 13 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Pretty interested to participate in my first #OCTMChat !
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    #octmchat Hi, I'm Todd Edwards. I help edit the Ohio Journal of School Mathematics. Haven't been in one of these in a year or so. Good to be back!
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Finish up your introductions. Q1 is coming up! Remember to use A1 for Answer 1 and include #octmchat in each of your Tweets.
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    #octmchat Hello, Miss Edwards.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Here is Q1 for #octmchat. How do students engage differently in modeling tasks vs. more traditional story problems?
  • MathRocks73 Sep 13 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Hi! Alexa, math instructionalcoach for Cincinnati Public. #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Welcome, glad you're here! #octmchat
    In reply to @missedwards321
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    #octmchat Hey, Alexa! This is Todd Edwards.
  • Mr_Louwers Sep 13 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    #octmchat
    In reply to @WernetJamie
  • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Hi. Chris Bolognese here. PK - 12 math dept chair at Columbus Academy. Excited to be a part of #octmchat tonight.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Hi Todd! It's been great to work with you. #octmchat
    In reply to @vinylmath1
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Sep 13 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Hi, everyone! Jodie Bailey I’m an instructional coach @HilliardSchools & President Elect @ohioctm So glad we’re featuring a journal article tonight! #octmchat
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    #octmchat CHRIS!!!!!
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    #octmchat Agreed! Jamie, thanks for doing this with us! :)
  • professorteds Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Hi y’all! Teddy Chao, assistant professor at @OSUehe, mainly work in elementary math teacher education and technology #octmchat
  • MissTrigg_Cbus Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    #octmchat Hi!! My name is Katie Trigg and I am in the MEd. Program at Ohio State. Currently student teaching in a kindergarten classroom.
    In reply to @WernetJamie
  • KimKembitzky Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Kim @KimKembitzky ; Hilliard City Schools - Secondary Math Instructional Coach/Leader. Excited to be here! #octmchat
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    #octmchat Trigg . . . you couldn't ask for a better math name, Katie!
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Hello Chris! #octmchat
    In reply to @EulersNephew
  • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A1. Modeling tasks require students to make active decisions as part of an iterative process while story problems are more linear. Modeling tasks require refinement of an answer while story problems usually have one right answer (and often one right strategy). #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Welcome, Jodie! It's been a pleasure working with you. #octmchat
    In reply to @BaileyJodie, @HilliardSchools, @ohioctm
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Sep 13 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A1: Ss seem so much more engaged with modeling tasks. Traditional word problems seem more like following a recipe. #octmchat
  • jjobney Sep 13 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Jaymie Obney, numeracy coach grades 3-5 in Dublin OH. #octmchat
  • iamfeeny Sep 13 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Hi! My name is Sherra. I'm am OSU M.Ed. candidate, and I am currently a student teacher. I am looking forward to the chat! #octmchat
    In reply to @WernetJamie
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Welcome, Katie! I'm interested to hear your thoughts coming from the early elementary perspective! #octmchat
    In reply to @MissTrigg_Cbus
  • kellykir02 Sep 13 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Kelly Schramm 4th grade, Brown Elem Hilliard City Schools #octmchat
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    #octmchat OMG! Where is question 1 that folks are answering? :)
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Welcome! #octmchat
    In reply to @professorteds, @OSUehe
  • professorteds Sep 13 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A1 I think modeling tasks allow children more freedom in their strategies and get them to think deeper about their actual model or representation. Plus, a good modeling tasks allows space for children to see themselves in the task. #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Thanks for joining tonight! #octmchat
    In reply to @iamfeeny
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    I experience this with students as well. #octmchat
    • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:36 PM EDT
      A1. Modeling tasks require students to make active decisions as part of an iterative process while story problems are more linear. Modeling tasks require refinement of an answer while story problems usually have one right answer (and often one right strategy). #octmchat
  • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A1. I would argue modeling tasks are harder to construct and implement than "story problem" tasks. #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Q2 is coming soon. We have 4 prompts tonight with an end time of 9:00pm EST. #octmchat
  • jjobney Sep 13 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A1 Students make better connections when they are given the chance to model tasks. They really put MP#1 to use and construct their own meaning. #octmchat
  • YeseniaCortes01 Sep 13 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    I currently student teach 2nd grade. #octmchat
    In reply to @WernetJamie
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    I agree. And what we do as teachers can help with that "seeing themselves" part. #octmchat
    In reply to @professorteds
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Here is Q2 for #octmchat. What strategies do you use to promote student engagement in contextual tasks?
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Welcome, Kelly! #octmchat
    In reply to @kellykir02
  • MathRocks73 Sep 13 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A1: When I gave students take like @joboaler Week of Inspirational Math they were much more engaged and collaborated together than a typical word problem. I also got more variation in solutions. #octmchat
  • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A1. Couldn't students see themselves in story problem tasks just as well, though? Students could write a problem utilizing mathematics about themselves. Modeling isn't a necessity here. #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    I also use Week of Inspiration Math tasks and students engage so deeply at a range of grade levels. #octmchat
    • MathRocks73 Sep 13 @ 8:41 PM EDT
      A1: When I gave students take like @joboaler Week of Inspirational Math they were much more engaged and collaborated together than a typical word problem. I also got more variation in solutions. #octmchat
  • kellykir02 Sep 13 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A1 modeling tasks are more open ended and give kids opportunities to use various strategies. Traditional story problems have a connotation that they’re step by step ways to solve them #octmchat
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    #octmchat A1: Agree with @EulersNephew There's more to modeling than seeing yourself in the task.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    So true. There are definitely more and less effective strategies for enacting modeling tasks. #octmchat
    In reply to @EulersNephew
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    #octmchat Yes. Multiple solution strategies. @kellykir02
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    For sure - there are a lot of affordances and challenges! #octmchat
    In reply to @vinylmath1, @EulersNephew
  • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A1. If we take a traditional story problem and remove the goal/question of the problem, this seems to invite problem-posing. If we instead remove what's given but keep the goal/question, this seems to invoke modeling. Do others agree? #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Q3 is coming up. Don’t forget to include #octmchat in each of your tweets.
  • MathRocks73 Sep 13 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A2: I was always trying to get the Ss to tell the story of their problem through pics/models like tape diagrams and other visual cues. #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Here is Q3 for #octmchat. What’s an idea from the article that you found compelling or challenging?
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    I love this--"tell the story of their problem!" #octmchat
    In reply to @MathRocks73
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    #octmchat A3: It was interesting that the most engaging activities were ones with a focused theme . . . a single story.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Great ideas and comments so far! Remember to continue to use the Q3/A3 format and to include #octmchat!
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    #octmchat A3: I was surprised that the money tasks were among the least engaging. I mistakenly thought most middle schoolers were motivated by that sort of thing.
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Sep 13 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A3: The idea of emotional engagement was important. So often we focus primarily on cognitive engagement. #octmchat
  • EulersNephew Sep 13 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A3. I find it challenging that engagement must be tied to something utilitarian/contextual. Engagement can equally come from exploration of a 'pure' math task. #octmchat
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #octmchat A3: Have any of you constructed contextual tasks that center around a social justice issue (e.g., immigration)?
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    I do think it can depend on the content and your group of students. Some students drew on money contexts a lot when learning about negative numbers. #octmchat
    • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:50 PM EDT
      #octmchat A3: I was surprised that the money tasks were among the least engaging. I mistakenly thought most middle schoolers were motivated by that sort of thing.
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    #octmchat Are your kids interested in social justice issues? Inequality? That might be a good way to engage kids emotionally.
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    #octmchat Or are social justice issues too controversial for most classrooms (parents / administrators)?
  • KimKembitzky Sep 13 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A3: I applaud the use of context to introduce a concept/unit, as opposed to saving them until the end. I also appreciated that the students were more engaged in the imaginative tasks (Wumps vs. Imposters). I think I would be too! #octmchat
  • Mr_Louwers Sep 13 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Hi Jodie. This idea really stuck out to me too because it was something that I hadn’t given too much thought to prior to reading the article. #octmchat
    In reply to @BaileyJodie
  • YeseniaCortes01 Sep 13 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A1. In my own experience I have always learned better through modeling. This same applies to our students. They learn faster and quicker when a problem is modeled rather then having to learn through a work sheet or by solving traditional story problems. #octmchat
    In reply to @WernetJamie
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Last question (Q4) is coming up in one minute #octmchat
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Here is Q4 for #octmchat. How can we interact around contextual tasks in a way that promotes equity and access in our classrooms?
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    I continue to see this play out in my own middle school classes. Students seem to engage most deeply in the problems with a strong story line. #octmchat
    • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:49 PM EDT
      #octmchat A3: It was interesting that the most engaging activities were ones with a focused theme . . . a single story.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Social justice-oriented tasks can be intriguing and so important in the math classroom, but it certainly takes some level of risk to implement them for the first time! #octmchat
    In reply to @vinylmath1
  • KimKembitzky Sep 13 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    I just had this conversation with Ts today. We, as math peeps, often don't understand why Ss don't appreciate the beauty of mathematics... perhaps this IS our challenge... but we can start by appealing to their need for relevance to get them to open the door, perhaps? #octmchat
    In reply to @EulersNephew
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    #octmchat A4: Have you read any of Gutstein's work? https://t.co/M1Dw30Ve0U
  • BaileyJodie - Moderator Sep 13 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A4: Giving Ss opportunities to help create/choose tasks. Gives them voice & ownership. #octmchat
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    #octmchat The Rethinking Mathematics text has many good examples of modeling scenarios that engage kids in issues in their own communities.
  • vinylmath1 Sep 13 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    #octmchat Kids come up with their own problems of interest based on their own communities.
  • WernetJamie Sep 13 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    Our chat is winding down, but that doesn’t mean you have to stop the conversation! Use #octmchat & continue sharing!