#ELLCHAT Archive

#ELLCHAT is a repository for ideas related to teaching English Language Learners.

Monday June 4, 2018
9:00 PM EDT

  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Hi! Welcome to #ELLCHAT. Join us to discuss effective communication with ELLs. Q1) Please share your name and where & what you teach?
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    A1 - I'm Rebecca from NY. I teach ELL, K-12 and adults. I used to teach technology also! #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    A1 Good evening #ELLCHAT - it’s a great time to talk about the nonverbal underpinnings of communication that are so important for our work with ELLs!
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    #ELLCHAT resource: Tips on communicating with ELLs https://t.co/zovdKOCfIq
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    A1 I’m Karen Nemeth, author/consultant specializing in supports for children who are ELLs/DLLs in #earlyed - tweeting from eastern PA. I’m co-host of #ELLCHAT celebrating our 8th anniversary of tweetiness!
  • NJTESOL_NJBE Jun 4 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Change in topic for tonight’s #ellchat #njtesolbe
    • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:03 PM EDT
      A1 Good evening #ELLCHAT - it’s a great time to talk about the nonverbal underpinnings of communication that are so important for our work with ELLs!
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    A1) I'm Judie Haynes, former ESL teacher in NJ and author. Co-moderator of #ELLCHAT
  • CSchlessinger Jun 4 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    A1 PreK - 1st ESL teacher in NJ and president of NJTESOL/NJBE #ellchat
  • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    A1: Shaeley, K12 ESL instructional coach in Central Iowa #ELLChat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    And @CSchlessinger is also the successful chair of an extraordinary state conference that just happened last week! Congratulations from your friends at #ELLCHAT
  • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Hi! I’m LeighAnn. Pre-K, K, 2nd grade ESL teacher in NJ. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    #ELLCHAT - Tonight's topic is effective communication with ELLs.
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    Yes! That was a terrific conference Caia. You did a great job. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Q2)What difficulties do you experience when trying to communicate effectively with English learners and their families? #ELLchat
  • GEagen1 Jun 4 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A2: #ellchat language. I speak Spanish but the majority of our els don't. It's hard to make the connection with the families when we can't communicate. In my school we have about 160 different languages (so I was told).
  • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A2: In addition to language barriers, differing experiences & expectations of school have an impact. #ELLChat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    A2) ELLs don't participate orally in class. #ELLchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    A2 I have heard preK teachers say, “my students are not English learners, but I can’t understand a word their parents say!” They don’t understand that means the child has an additional language too AND they feel unconfident about related to families with diff languages #ELLCHAT
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2 - For families figuring out when/who to communicate with. Sometimes the parent won't speak on the phone because of language barriers. Students are embarrassed of their accents sometimes. I found that to be true if their the only ELL in the class. #ellchat
  • CSchlessinger Jun 4 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2: we have many different languages and also everything always feels so rushed which can make communication stressful #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2 This is a big issue when working with young children. Need so much info from families that you can’t get from assessments in early years. #ELLCHAT
  • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2. Most commonly language barrier, but also communicating clearly school procedures, rules, & expectations. Often things like school events, parties, parent-teacher conferences, for example, are new for our families and require extra clarification. #ELLchat
  • kruu_justin Jun 4 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A2: making sure my feedback on their child is clear and constructive. Depending on the family's background, certain type of feedback may come off as negative or insulting. #ellchat
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • kruu_justin Jun 4 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A1: Justin from Chiang Mai! I'm the ELD coordinator at the elementary school. #ELLChat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A2 Also for young ones - so many are sad about being away from home, yet unable to communicate with caring adults. It is a language issue and so much more for early experiences :( #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A2) Much of the social & academic activities in the classroom require that students participate orally. If ELLs don't speak, they are missing an important part of the learning that is going on. #ELLchat
  • MrsSaid17 Jun 4 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A2: I’m getting ready to break fast. I can only answer this one. A lot of times our difficulties come from a lack of understanding our Ss and Ps #ellchat
  • sragordon Jun 4 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    A2: with parents, cultural differences in understanding of education and how language is acquired. For students, knowing how to really know whether or not the kids understand. At our school, most of our language learners’L1 is Korean, so translation is possible. #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:12 PM EDT
      Q2)What difficulties do you experience when trying to communicate effectively with English learners and their families? #ELLchat
  • MrsSaid17 Jun 4 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    @judiehaynes I’ll respond later after I eat if that’s okay! Sundown! #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Resource: Extending ELLs Classroom Interactions Using the Response Protocol https://t.co/9Txge405Uf #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Q3)How do you use non-verbal communication to help ELLs understand? #ELLchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Thanks Sarah. We can wait while you honor tradition and appetite! #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Resource: 4 Gestures to reconsider when teaching ESL class https://t.co/9Txge405Uf #ELLchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    Resource: Communicating with gestures https://t.co/kDj1BCcZqv #ELLchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    A3 Many instructors suggest #earlyed tchrs use gestures - but fail to be clear about what KINDS of gestures will be useful! You need to stop & think what the young ELL/DLL will understand and use #ELLCHAT
  • kruu_justin Jun 4 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    A3: lots of TPR, sign language, and photos! Attaching words to a picture or physical movement helps store/recall information in long term memory. #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    A3 Many #preK tchrs use props, but misunderstand how they work. Like - if you read book about feelings with cat on cover, using a cat puppet doesn’t help ELLs/DLLs understand the words or meaning of story #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    A3) I think gestures are an important part of communication. However we do want to be sure that the gestures we use are culturally appropriate. #ELLCHAT
    • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:26 PM EDT
      A3 Many instructors suggest #earlyed tchrs use gestures - but fail to be clear about what KINDS of gestures will be useful! You need to stop & think what the young ELL/DLL will understand and use #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A3 - I mean really - if children don’t yet understand English, using a puppet to speak English is not much of a nonverbal strategy. #ELLCHAT
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A3 - I use non-verbal communication all the time. I introduce hand movements for specific topics and continue to use them throughout the year. For example when talking about the past tense I point behind me. This has worked really well for me with beginners. #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    a3 One way to be sure gestures are effective is to practice using them consistently so children get used to your meaning #ELLCHAT
  • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3: Yes to culturally appropriate gestures. Also, facial expressions like smiles! #ELLChat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3 and using sign language signs can unite a class with several languages. Everyone can understand the sign for eat or drink! #ELLCHAT
  • GEagen1 Jun 4 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    A3: #ELLCHAT by using hand gestures, pictures and body language, it really translates to any language and is a tool that teachers don't use as often as they should. On their read aloud books, I place pictures on top of the words to help or draw faces (emoji) to show feelings.
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    A3) For example, some of the gestures we us regularly are rude in other cultures. #ELLchat
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    I've found that consistency is key! #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    A3) The problem is that all gestures don't translate to all other languages. #ELLCHAT
    • GEagen1 Jun 4 @ 9:29 PM EDT
      A3: #ELLCHAT by using hand gestures, pictures and body language, it really translates to any language and is a tool that teachers don't use as often as they should. On their read aloud books, I place pictures on top of the words to help or draw faces (emoji) to show feelings.
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    A3 Sign language can be great or bad for young children. Using signs for familiar words is great. Trying to teach finger spelling with kids who don’t know the alphabet is wrong. Here’s a start: https://t.co/gc9p6mxjwa #ELLCHAT
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    I used to teach at a language school and we had a whole professional development about this! I take advantage of the fact that I'm Latina so I may know if something was offensive to my latinx students. #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    A3 I also think photos are better for communication than cartoony pictures. So often cartoons or line drawings mean something to adults because of prior experience - but not for young children #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Q4) How do you scaffold classroom conversation for ELLs so that they can participate in discussions? #ELLchat
  • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    A3. I often catch myself acting things out when I’m reading aloud to my students or attempting to show something with my hands and body when I’m talking. I usually think on the spot but realize afterwards that I would probably more effective if I planned ahead. #ellchat
  • CSchlessinger Jun 4 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A4: we provide pictures that the students can use to answer questions also sentence frames and starters are so helpful #ellchat
  • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A4. Modeling conversations or the expected langue first, paired with sentence or discussion stems for student reference. Consistency and routine is key. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    Wong Fillmore's model of SLA identified 3 components that contribute to student progress: interest from the learners, proficient speakers who support and interact with the learners, and an environment that supports relationships between learners and proficient speaker. #ELLchat
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    A4 - I've used sentence stems for academic language. Practice using the sentence stems before starting the academic conversation. I've found this useful for all students. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4) Clarity, wait time, higher order thinking, and higher expectations are factors that influence the quality of teacher interactions with all students. So necessary for ELLs. #ELLchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A3 How images can go wrong in supporting communication - this is a great report but the images make no sense for young ELLs/DLLshttp://hechingerreport.org/speaking-kids-home-language-in-pre-k-could-provide-a-lifelong-advantage/ But please DO read the excellent report! #ELLCHAT
  • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    A4: Build in time for individual thought/preparation with sentence frames or a model, practice with a partner or small group, & then whole class sharing #ELLChat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    A3) Perfect example! #ELLCHAT
    • debwhite Jun 4 @ 9:31 PM EDT
      A3: We changed our school gesture of the ASL sign for toilet out of respect for an ELL family. They taught us that the "T"sign was a rude, crude gesture in their culture. We switched to the ASL sign for "R" for restroom.
      In reply to @judiehaynes
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    a4 Scaffold language in #earlyed by changing the way you use classroom labels. Instead of useless label on chair that says “chair”, try these ideas to turn labels into conversation starters! https://t.co/JE8BdgSY6A #ELLCHAT #NAEYC
  • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    A4: I'm a big fan of Dr. Kate Kinsella's Structured Academic Discussion format for scaffolding discussions. #ELLChat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Yes - important point for A3 on #ELLCHAT
    • HoppingFun Jun 4 @ 9:37 PM EDT
      A hundred times this, photos over cartoons for English language. Another reason: I teach adults and teens and many cartoon sets are too young in style for them. Photos work at all levels.
  • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Bookmarking this - thank you for sharing, these are great! #ELLCHAT
    In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    A4) Visual & Kinesthetic support of academic content, monitor speed of speech, wait time, checking for comprehension, choral reading. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    A4) Yes! I love her work. #ELLCHAT
    • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:43 PM EDT
      A4: I'm a big fan of Dr. Kate Kinsella's Structured Academic Discussion format for scaffolding discussions. #ELLChat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    A4 I’m going out on a limb here. I do not like TPR. Sorry, friends. I think it is too gimmicky, not deep enough - like a fad. But I’m sure some people have found ways to use it effectively. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    A4) Tell student who is not participating in advance, what question you're going to ask so that they can prepare. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    Q5) What tips would you give classroom teachers to improve communication with ELLs ? #ELLchat
  • kruu_justin Jun 4 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    A4: strategically using sentence frames and photos to help ELs start their ideas. Also, being able to use their first language can help them articulate thought of they are still building their vocabulary and confidence. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    Q5) Resource: Keys to effective communication https://t.co/h7TkZEofrq #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    A5 I think technology offers a lot of potential for supporting communication - NOT replacing relationships - but enhancing them. Here are some ideas I wrote for @FredRogersCtr https://t.co/lTHRC8amf5 #ELLCHAT #earllyed
  • HSeslteacher Jun 4 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    A5: Write or print critical info as well as saying it (multiple modalities). Avoid idioms, enunciate words, speak at slower pace. #ELLChat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    Q6) If you don’t speak the same language as the families of your ELLs, how do you communicate with them? #ELLchat
  • MsCapsuto Jun 4 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    A5 - In the technology class I used to screencast my instructions, so students could refer back to them whenever they needed. A lot of teachers I found don't realize how overwhelming listening to instructions can be for an EL, especially if your rushing. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6) Resource: How to reach out to parents of ELLs https://t.co/zQ1BtiecES #ELLchat
  • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A5. This might seem obvious but I really emphasize the difference between slowing down speech for ELLs & talking louder. I think sometimes teachers mistake them for being one and the same. Developing and improving English does not mean a student can’t hear you! #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6 Technology to the rescue! @RemindHQ and @ClassDojo and @TalkingPointsEd all allow families to receive message in their chosen language - easy for tchr, connection with home! #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    A6 But - above all - PHOTOS and VIDEO! Oh my goodness - think of the difference between mom of toddler who has no idea what he did in preK all day and mom who receives photos of child happily playing! #ELLCHAT
  • naomi_lawrence1 Jun 4 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    A3 Agreed. There is a need for intentionality. How educators make input comprehensible and use non-verbal comm is key, but let's focus equally on noticing and naming childrens full communicative repertoire and how THEY use nonverbal strategies to effectively communicate #ELLCHAT
    • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:28 PM EDT
      A3 - I mean really - if children don’t yet understand English, using a puppet to speak English is not much of a nonverbal strategy. #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    A6 and here’s a mic dropper - Google Translate Mobile app - not the website - you use the camera on your iPad or android device or phone and see the print appear in DIFFERENT LANGUAGE! #ELLCHAT
  • kruu_justin Jun 4 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    A5: at the moment, I'm encouraging all teachers to use differentiation strategies because it helps all students, not just those who require support. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    A5) Good point! I also tell teachers to speak in breath groups and pause between each one. Helps make sentences more comprehensible. #ELLCHAT
    • theESLlady Jun 4 @ 9:56 PM EDT
      A5. This might seem obvious but I really emphasize the difference between slowing down speech for ELLs & talking louder. I think sometimes teachers mistake them for being one and the same. Developing and improving English does not mean a student can’t hear you! #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    It’s funny, Naomi, how many teachers I see using strategies without real intentionality. We need to work on that in our field! #ELLCHAT
    • naomi_lawrence1 Jun 4 @ 9:58 PM EDT
      A3 Agreed. There is a need for intentionality. How educators make input comprehensible and use non-verbal comm is key, but let's focus equally on noticing and naming childrens full communicative repertoire and how THEY use nonverbal strategies to effectively communicate #ELLCHAT
      • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Jun 4 @ 9:28 PM EDT
        A3 - I mean really - if children don’t yet understand English, using a puppet to speak English is not much of a nonverbal strategy. #ELLCHAT