#sunchat Archive

A weekly chat for educators from all around the world.
Sunday October 15, 2017
9:00 AM EDT
  • participatechat Oct 15 @ 9:00 AM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #sunchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/vbZJZztzH6
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:00 AM EDT
    Welcome to #sunchat! Enter and sign in please! :) Then we'll talk Standards Based Grading!
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:01 AM EDT
    Good morning #sunchat ! Brittany here 8th grade science teacher in Raleigh, NC
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:01 AM EDT
    Hi Brittany! #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:01 AM EDT
    Good morning #sunchat! Carla here from Santo Domingo. SBG seems like the way to go but still overwhelms me. Ready to learn!
  • 5StarStudents Oct 15 @ 9:02 AM EDT
    Good morning #sunchat. Toshila, JH AP, joining in from Texas.
  • TrishKing6 Oct 15 @ 9:02 AM EDT
    Greetings! Trish in Tn, 6th grade social studies and 6-12 community partnerships. #sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:02 AM EDT
    Hi Carla! Shari just came back from DR with 3 dogs being placed in the US and Canada! How are you? #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:02 AM EDT
    Don here from Central Il. Tech Integration Specialist #sunchat
  • Mr_F_Learning Oct 15 @ 9:03 AM EDT
    Good morning all. Kevin, STEM/Tech Coach, NJ #sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:03 AM EDT
    Hi Toshila! Glad you could join us! #sunchat
    In reply to @5StarStudents
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:03 AM EDT
    Alice, 7th grade math teacher checking in for #sunchat excited to hear how others are working with #sbg
  • EdReimagined Oct 15 @ 9:03 AM EDT
    "Often, we don’t need unlimited funding or fancy high-tech toys to innovate. We just need to think differently." #edreimagined #sunchat
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:03 AM EDT
    Good morning #sunchat! I'm not in the classroom anymore (ed tech), but interested in your thoughts on SBG! #sunchat
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:04 AM EDT
    Morning, #sunchat. I'm Brian. I teach MS Ss Eng in CO. Been applying SBG practices for a while. They help refocus grade convos on learning.
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:04 AM EDT
    Hi Alice! (Me too! Looking forward to everyone's input today!) #sunchat
    In reply to @ETSU90
  • cooper1503 Oct 15 @ 9:05 AM EDT
    Good morning! Chris from TN #sunchat
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:05 AM EDT
    Does your school do it or just you? Do you have to convert to grade at some point? #sunchat #sbg
    In reply to @brianrozinsky
  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:05 AM EDT
    Hi, parent & education communications specialist from Connecticut, currently in Rhode Island. #sunchat
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:05 AM EDT
    Bonnie high school teacher from CT #sunchat
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:06 AM EDT
    Good morning #Sunchat... peeking in today.
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:06 AM EDT
    Let's get started! The obvious first - if using SBG, what made you take the plunge? And, what's your take on it so far? #sunchat
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:06 AM EDT
    Things are good - I'm subbing for a maternity leave for 4 1/2 months - 2 jobs is a bit overwhelming, but I love being back in class #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:06 AM EDT
    I wrote about SBG influence in my classes here: https://t.co/gX6wuHd7KR I'm also fan of thinking here: https://t.co/lnV9mRawYr #sunchat
  • Mr_Netherland Oct 15 @ 9:07 AM EDT
    Morning #sunchat! I teach math at @boswellhs. Just went to my first edcamp yesterday, simply fantastic!
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:07 AM EDT
    Good morning. I'm Perry, MS principal from IL. #sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:07 AM EDT
    Excellent question! While many agree it's the way to go, school systems don't support it - still need that "letter grade"... #sunchat
    • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:05 AM EDT
      Does your school do it or just you? Do you have to convert to grade at some point? #sunchat #sbg
      In reply to @brianrozinsky
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:07 AM EDT
    Thanks for sharing Brian - will read after the chat #sunchat
  • jonathanwylie Oct 15 @ 9:08 AM EDT
    No. Your 3D Printer Does Not Make You Innovative. https://t.co/vbPx8cq2qR #3Dprinting #sunchat #makered
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:08 AM EDT
    Don't just peek - feel free to join in! :) #sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick
  • finleyt Oct 15 @ 9:08 AM EDT
    NEW! How to facilitate interactive #lectures. #edchat #ukedchat #passiondriven #satchat #sunchat #ncte #teachers #k12 #ntchat #tlap
  • mrnesi Oct 15 @ 9:08 AM EDT
    Check out @HouseofEdTech ep 96 for my 1st ever NON-Recommendations... https://t.co/StgHSzayLq #edtech #sunchat #podcastpd #podcastedu
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:08 AM EDT
    I have been helping an ELA T implement #sbg into a 12th dual credit class. Still have to give letter grades at end. #sunchat #sbg
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:09 AM EDT
    I use #sbg for a pilot of #PBL class & seems to work well, concerned about making it more mainstream at the 7th 8th level. #sunchat
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:09 AM EDT
    Oops! Forgot to tag #sunchat
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:09 AM EDT
    Fairly pervasive across school, which is K-12. Countless iterations/variations on top of loose systemic structure. 1/2 #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:10 AM EDT
    I loved #SBG when I did it in my math 8 classroom--had a very challenging time getting Ss and Ps on board though #sunchat
  • cooper1503 Oct 15 @ 9:10 AM EDT
    A1 Not yet #SBG but hoping to begin soon #sunchat
  • massignmenthelp Oct 15 @ 9:10 AM EDT
    The Complete Guide to UK Car Driving Theory Test https://t.co/skWVo4OBdl #sunchat
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    The Complete Guide to UK Car Driving Theory Test https://t.co/Z8TN4t4GK0 #sunchat
  • AssignmentHelpN Oct 15 @ 9:10 AM EDT
    The SAMR Model: Effective Technology Integration in Classrooms https://t.co/N8NF3byMeG #sunchat
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:10 AM EDT
    Still grades in grade book eventually at secondary level & hear parents sometimes clamoring for more of these familiar symbols 2/2 #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:10 AM EDT
    Are all the iterations working ok or would it be better is more consistent? #Sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @SturmDon
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:11 AM EDT
    Switching to #SBG also helped me dig deeper into my content area and gave a more clear cut understanding of what I wanted Ss to do #sunchat
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:11 AM EDT
    Some of our Ts are trying it & we need grades. Work around - Ss self assess in a portfolio & grade themselves #sunchat
    • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:07 AM EDT
      Excellent question! While many agree it's the way to go, school systems don't support it - still need that "letter grade"... #sunchat
      • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:05 AM EDT
        Does your school do it or just you? Do you have to convert to grade at some point? #sunchat #sbg
        In reply to @brianrozinsky
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:11 AM EDT
    how receptive are parents? Some seem to understand but then ask Qs that show that they don't #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon
  • MrsKaylaDuncan Oct 15 @ 9:11 AM EDT
    Kayla, personalized instruction coach, from GA here. Sorry I'm late! Looking fwd to ideas abt SBG. Would <3 to see this K-12. #sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:11 AM EDT
    Kind of defeats the purpose, right? Letter grades? Meets, Progressing... how does one convert to a letter grade? Or a number? #sunchat
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    Yep that’s how @CAEddleman has to do it. 1-4 scale until very end when grades are due. #sunchat #sbg
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @CAEddleman
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    Good Morning, Jim Smith, assessment and data, Forest Lake, MN. #sunchat
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    That’s my fear k-6 use #sbg now but Ps fought when it was introduced at 6th grade. Looking to expand to 7/8 #Sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    I had a exceeds as an A, meets on a scale from a C-B and developing as a D. Ss only earned F if it was not attempted at all #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    This is so true. If we want to grade against standards or learning targets we have to clearly know what they are = better teaching #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    I struggled w/SBG (& all grades) for 1st gr music. How to determine proficiency for creativity standards @ that developmental age? #sunchat
  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    Just exploring this as a parent, as our schools still do grades from middle school on. And they're unrevealing. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
    We're in year 3 of #SBG, k-8 system. Was a natural transition 4 Ts who teach by standards. Ss adapt, Ps 4 the most part on board. #sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:13 AM EDT
    I would think parents of HS kids would worry that class rank is important for college apps. How does SBG fit in? #sunchat
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:13 AM EDT
    Great question! #sunchat
    • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:13 AM EDT
      I would think parents of HS kids would worry that class rank is important for college apps. How does SBG fit in? #sunchat
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:13 AM EDT
    The ELA T @CAEddleman I work with uses 1-4 scale and converts to number grade at grading terms. Sort of a hybrid. #sunchat #SBGBootcamp
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @CAEddleman
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM EDT
    We don't do ranking and so far no college has had an issue with it. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM EDT
    Likely depends who you ask: Working for most Ts; quickly creates complications for Ss & families trying to navigate multiplicity #sunchat
    In reply to @ETSU90, @SturmDon
  • IBMrsBoles Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM EDT
    Good morning from Texas. Dyslexia Therapist #Sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM EDT
    Yes, and as a Teacher you understand the ambiguity. But parents are trained to look for the Honor Roll bumper sticker. #sunchat
    • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:12 AM EDT
      Just exploring this as a parent, as our schools still do grades from middle school on. And they're unrevealing. #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM EDT
    I think if you explain it well to Ps then you'll find success. I just haven't found the right way yet. #sbg #sunchat
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM EDT
    if the S goal is "SWBAT balance a chemical eqn" why do Ss loose points for participation? #sunchat
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    We even hear some of these complaints at MS level. Seems accepted at elementary but Ps struggle at secondary #Sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • Hist_simulation Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    #sunchat The Organization of American Historians @TheAmHistorian https://t.co/1udcKoSsgo
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    The teacher I've seen best implement #SBG is @ryanbruick at @NobSchools. He's not too active on Twitter, but I would reach out. #SunChat
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    Agree #SBG creates feedback that is clearer 4 all stakeholders. Allows Ss to see strengths & areas of growth. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    @CAEddleman does a lot at start to explain process to Ss. She makes Ss explain it to Ps in an email and she follows up. #sunchat
    In reply to @biologygoddess, @CAEddleman
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    In true #SBG, they shouldn't lose points for participation--it's the level of success that they have with it. #sunchat
    In reply to @biologygoddess
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:15 AM EDT
    This year's hacks involve taking more advantage of comment field in online gradebk for feedback. Basing grades on conferences w/Ss. #sunchat
    In reply to @MrsKaylaDuncan, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    Don, has it been effective? Parents and Students accepting of it? What's your plan going forward? @SturmDon #sunchat
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    Interesting tidbit: my district = SBG in elementary, a mix of SBG/trad (school choice) in middle, trad grades in HS. #sunchat
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    Oh, forgot the intro. Good morning, Don Wettrick, Innovation classroom teacher from Indiana. #SunChat
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    Participation should go in another part of progress reports. We include life & career skills - grades only reflect mastery #sunchat
    In reply to @biologygoddess
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    Thanks for sharing! Always looking for those who have been successful. #Sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick, @ryanbruick, @NobSchools
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    and what they are not (prepared for class, raises hand all great skills better addressed in separate comments or conversations) #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @scienceinsixth
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    Same here. Some Elem schools here use #SBG all through K-5 but then Ps suddenly freak out when it's used in MS #sunchat
    In reply to @ETSU90, @susankotch
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM EDT
    What did you do, Aubrey? Still working on it? #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:17 AM EDT
    that is fantastic! That's some agency right there #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:17 AM EDT
    That's why I like to teach self-assessment. They begin to understand how to earn a grade, not be given one #sunchat
    In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
    Well, not teaching that class anymore :-). I think the standards need to be rewritten to better allow Ss to demonstrate behaviors. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
    My district does the same #Sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
    Another POV: Speaking is among the categories of ELA standards where I teach, so participation could land under SBG umbrella. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth, @biologygoddess
  • Mr_F_Learning Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
    We use standards based report cards in elem. while I dont do the grading I did work on creating an ngss standards based report card #sunchat
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
    We have presented a couple of times on her method. I can share the Google Sheet she uses for students. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
    I find some 1 on 1 time w Ps can go a long way. Have 2 de-politicize #SBG. Just the word "standards" can turn off anti-CCore folks. #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon, @biologygoddess, @CAEddleman
  • ChrisQuinn64 Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    An incredible man completing an unbelievable mission! @DrChrisLongo...true hero for all of us! #sunchat #SpiritChat #bfc530 #fitnessedu
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    Glad you asked! I teach a HS class "Innovation & Open Sourced Learning." Explanation here: https://t.co/owr0aXp7Ut #SunChat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    When Ts break standards down into measurable learning targets, it helps #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh, @susankotch
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    But I did the best I could. Usually tending towards proficiency for Ss who were exploring & engaging, even at different levels. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    Dare I bring up.... how does grading HW fit in? *runs and hides behind couch* #sunchat
  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    ... with a backlash by some ("My kid beat up your honor student"). Why do we always highlight those who happen to get good grades? #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    Good idea to de-politicize. Using the term #goals might help find more success #sunchat
    In reply to @perryafinch, @SturmDon, @biologygoddess, @CAEddleman
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    Good point! #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @scienceinsixth, @biologygoddess
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
    I'm trying to get more schools to provide a dedicated #Innovation time at HS level, #GeniusHour at MS/Elem level. #SunChat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh
  • cooper1503 Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    Yes, and this is a step most often missed #sunchat
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    I 100% agree. If a S attempts, they should earn a grade--even if the whole thing is wrong #sunchat
    In reply to @cooper1503
  • tjvari Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    We just wrote about listening better in a recent blog on #leadership: https://t.co/My49OPB6sT #SH302 #sunchat
    In reply to @gracesalguero
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    Zing: SBG effectiveness depends on thoughtful, clear, kid-friendly standards. Not knee-jerk, opaque, jargony 1s :) #sunchat
    • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
      Well, not teaching that class anymore :-). I think the standards need to be rewritten to better allow Ss to demonstrate behaviors. #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    I would love to see this! Should I message you or are you sharing GSheets in the chat? #SunChat
    In reply to @SturmDon, @susankotch
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    Sounds awesome! I loved doing #geniushour with my MS students! #sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
    this year 1st time I had Ss rewrite the standards, posted in the room, so we can track where we are #sunchat
    In reply to @perryafinch, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:21 AM EDT
    She has been happy w/results. It takes getting used to, but it is a paradigm shift worth trying. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:21 AM EDT
    Good point! We have many who stop listening once they hear C-Core #Sunchat
    In reply to @perryafinch, @SturmDon, @biologygoddess, @CAEddleman
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:21 AM EDT
    Yes! Please! @SturmDon #sunchat
    • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM EDT
      We have presented a couple of times on her method. I can share the Google Sheet she uses for students. #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch
  • gtchatmod Oct 15 @ 9:21 AM EDT
    Join #gtchat this week for "Does Differentiation Work for Gifted Students?" #TAGT #NAGC #edchat #txeduchat #sunchat
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM EDT
    No matter what grading system I use, the comments field was incredibly important. Helps clarify the number/letter. #sunchat
  • Mr_F_Learning Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM EDT
    Hopefully assigning meaningful assignments which support the students to meet the standards rather than being punitive #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • Mrs_Preston_RHS Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM EDT
    It is hard for us to give HW up. Unfortunately, HW often proves that Ss have support or don't. HW does not tell us what Ss know. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM EDT
    Consider performance evaluation analogy (e.g. sports, arts). They often break down skills in evals.Why? b/c it works 4 improvement. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • yak_mary Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
    #CNNSOTU #sunchat #SundayMorning Weinstein Death to America
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  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
    Excellent point about HW! #sunchat
    • Mrs_Preston_RHS Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM EDT
      It is hard for us to give HW up. Unfortunately, HW often proves that Ss have support or don't. HW does not tell us what Ss know. #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
    You are not alone in experiencing that dynamic: https://t.co/EBTmWJAaUC Winning family's hearts & minds is key part of process. #sunchat
    In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @MrsKaylaDuncan, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
    I can't answer that.... lol With all we know know about labeling kids with "grades" and it doesn't guarantee success... no clue. #sunchat
    • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
      ... with a backlash by some ("My kid beat up your honor student"). Why do we always highlight those who happen to get good grades? #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
    For us HW is practice so doesn't get graded, but does count in life skills, which our Ss focus on quite a bit. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • Mr_F_Learning Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
    It was interesting to read that Google was actually moving away from the innovation time model they championed #sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick, @Ms_A_Yeh
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:24 AM EDT
    Here is the Google Sheet I designed. Look complicated but can help if you need it. https://t.co/xx51edoFLs #sunchat
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:24 AM EDT
    Our 6th grade Science teacher @TracyMailloux did a great job using #GeniusHour last year at our MS #SunChat
    In reply to @DonWettrick, @Ms_A_Yeh, @TracyMailloux
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:24 AM EDT
    Do we see a difference between HW & practice? Ex: I think kids should read. No assignment/HW, just practice/pleasure. #sunchat
    In reply to @Mrs_Preston_RHS, @susankotch
  • ENMTide Oct 15 @ 9:24 AM EDT
    More great creative writing on our digital literary magazine https://t.co/13W5kKArq0 https://t.co/4zCqIgasEv #sunchat #ccpssuccess #omgators
  • cybraryman1 Oct 15 @ 9:25 AM EDT
    My Grading page https://t.co/s53I4hr6Bo #sunchat Your students should know what your expectations are and how you will grade them.#edchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:25 AM EDT
    How it that working, Bonnie? @biologygoddess Do they refer to them often? #sunchat
    • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:20 AM EDT
      this year 1st time I had Ss rewrite the standards, posted in the room, so we can track where we are #sunchat
      In reply to @perryafinch, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:25 AM EDT
    My hope (ironically) is that Ts don't just focus on just standards, as they do relevance. Cover stndrds, sure- but revlnc above all #SunChat
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:25 AM EDT
    https://t.co/xx51edoFLs #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:26 AM EDT
    THIS... is the transition that must be made assessing learning to promote and make learning progress visible to the student. They begin to learn how to learn. #sunchat
    • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:17 AM EDT
      That's why I like to teach self-assessment. They begin to understand how to earn a grade, not be given one #sunchat
      In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:26 AM EDT
    When I refer them back, then they realize that we have made progress, it is helping to focus Ss on tasks though #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:26 AM EDT
    Agree. Should lose/gain points only when measured against S&L standards. Participation muddies academic data. Report as behavior. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth, @biologygoddess
  • Mrs_Preston_RHS Oct 15 @ 9:26 AM EDT
    I think we can make practice meaningful. But if we are grading HW questions, we need to understand we may be grading Ps and not Ss #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh, @susankotch
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:26 AM EDT
    Thank you @SturmDon for sharing, look forward to reviewing after #Sunchat
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    Sadly, they've admitted that they no longer need "bid ideas" anymore... but attain global domination. They're too big now. #SunChat
    In reply to @Mr_F_Learning, @Ms_A_Yeh
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    Like I said…DM me if you have questions. The formulas we use should copy over. #sunchat
    In reply to @ETSU90
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    Standards are huge & unclear. I believe in breaking them down into bite sized learning targets. See Leaders of their Own Learning #sunchat
  • _meganmcdaniel Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    Reply- @susankotch HW is formative and feedback should be given but no child should get a bad grade on it bc they didn't understand #sunchat
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    https://t.co/xx51edoFLs #sunchat
    In reply to @cooper1503, @susankotch
  • PoppaG77 Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    Chad goldman, so. Indiana T #SunChat good morning
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
    This is exactly what I do. Important to dissect your standards and make them bite-sized and attainable #SBG #sunchat
    • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:27 AM EDT
      Standards are huge & unclear. I believe in breaking them down into bite sized learning targets. See Leaders of their Own Learning #sunchat
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:28 AM EDT
    Yes, and the change in their attitude towards activities, assignments & learning in general is amazing #sunchat
    In reply to @MrDataGuy
  • IBMrsBoles Oct 15 @ 9:28 AM EDT
    Good read! Interesting perspective from families. Win the family’s hearts & minds! @brianrozinsky #waexcels #edchat #sunchat
    • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
      You are not alone in experiencing that dynamic: https://t.co/EBTmWJAaUC Winning family's hearts & minds is key part of process. #sunchat
      In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @MrsKaylaDuncan, @SturmDon, @CAEddleman
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:28 AM EDT
    Our focus should be on the standards that are priority and relevant to the learning process. All standards are not created equal. #sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick
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  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM EDT
    Grades can mean something if there's a progression and thus reflect progress toward a goal. But there are more meaningful goals. #sunchat
    • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM EDT
      I can't answer that.... lol With all we know know about labeling kids with "grades" and it doesn't guarantee success... no clue. #sunchat
      • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM EDT
        ... with a backlash by some ("My kid beat up your honor student"). Why do we always highlight those who happen to get good grades? #sunchat
        In reply to @susankotch
  • rdavisteaches Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM EDT
    Exactly. Think of the bite size pieces of smaller understandings that lead up to the big understanding #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM EDT
    Relevance makes it all fit and stick, in my opinion! Great reminder to all Ts #SunChat
    In reply to @DonWettrick
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM EDT
    Agree - grade the mastery at the end of the process, not the process #sunchat
    In reply to @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM EDT
    SBG requires a lot of discussion between T and S. Dialogue is key - so.... does that mean more small groups? Less whole group? #sunchat
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:30 AM EDT
    I think sometimes we shy away from telling parents abt changes out of fear. But proactive, well-reasoned communication is a must! #sunchat
    In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @brianrozinsky
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  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:30 AM EDT
    I personally think it's important to grade the process too so Ss can see where they start & finish to develop #growthmindset #sunchat #SBG
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • rdavisteaches Oct 15 @ 9:30 AM EDT
    At my school We have learner development grades that assess all of that participation etc stuff #sunchat
    In reply to @perryafinch, @scienceinsixth, @biologygoddess
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:30 AM EDT
    AND WAY too many - Focus on the essentials, - Endurance, Leverage, Readiness. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:30 AM EDT
    Welcome, Chad! We are talking Standards Based Grading. #sunchat
    In reply to @PoppaG77
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
    Definitely less whole group, more likely to be mostly 1:1 which is often hard to accomplish with a lot of Ss #sunchat
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
    I find time to meet with Ss individually while they work through their work in small groups or independently #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
    We are currently asking for S feedback in @Flipgrid for a #iate cone. we are presenting at on Friday. I love the S perspective! #sunchat
  • rdavisteaches Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
    It hopefully your standards sit in a situation that requires relevance. The phenomenon focus of the #ngss helps wth that #sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
    We teach whole group mini-lessons for max 15 min & then Ss have 1 hour to work with T conferencing/guidance. Works well #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
    And the quote below might sound like a downer, but I liken it to Churchill's take on democracy (SBG as best we've got for now) #sunchat
    In reply to @IBMrsBoles
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:32 AM EDT
    That’s why their best attempt should always count. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth, @carlameyrink, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:32 AM EDT
    Exactly. My #PLT at school went through and found our power standards to identify where to spend the most time and effort #sunchat
    In reply to @MrDataGuy
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  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:32 AM EDT
    It is! That's what makes teaching addictive! #sunchat
    In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
    Another roadblock for some. With SBG, a lot of changes have to occur in class from "traditional teaching". Do districts support it? #sunchat
    In reply to @ETSU90
  • Mr_F_Learning Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
    Are the learn develop grades used to inflate performance? Are students who show mastery negatively impacted for not raising hand? #sunchat
    In reply to @rdavisteaches, @perryafinch, @scienceinsixth, @biologygoddess
  • _meganmcdaniel Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
    Best thing I've heard about standards in my entire college career! #priorities #sunchat
    • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:28 AM EDT
      Our focus should be on the standards that are priority and relevant to the learning process. All standards are not created equal. #sunchat
      In reply to @DonWettrick
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
    I like the fact that there is way more S/T interaction with #sbg. Ss also self reflect more than they ever have! #sunchat
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
    I'm looking to learn more about how to use @flipgrid in my classroom! Having struggles with those without release of info forms #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon, @Flipgrid, @Flipgrid
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
    Yes to better communication - the life skill I'm working on at the moment! #sunchat
    In reply to @Ms_A_Yeh, @IBMrsBoles, @brianrozinsky
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:34 AM EDT
    Nice long class periods! I'm going to love it when I get there! *wink* #sunchat A luxury you have, Carla. @carlameyrink
    • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
      We teach whole group mini-lessons for max 15 min & then Ss have 1 hour to work with T conferencing/guidance. Works well #sunchat
      In reply to @susankotch
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:34 AM EDT
    Yes, yes, yes: Elephants in room (especially frightening 1s) merit inclusion in conversation. Allow fears to dissipate, not fester. #sunchat
    • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:30 AM EDT
      I think sometimes we shy away from telling parents abt changes out of fear. But proactive, well-reasoned communication is a must! #sunchat
      In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @brianrozinsky
  • rdavisteaches Oct 15 @ 9:34 AM EDT
    Sports metaphor also great for those who don't understand retesting too. Ss keep practicing skills and have new games to reassess #sunchat
    In reply to @perryafinch, @scienceinsixth
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:34 AM EDT
    They are on this small scale. Still hear a lot of “HS is prep for college…there are grades in college.” #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch, @ETSU90
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  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:34 AM EDT
    Happy 2 C responses about not grading HW. Relevance= more important than location of work completion. W relevance comes completion. #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:34 AM EDT
    Agreed. Listen to (& subscribe?) to this podcast w/ Seth Godin. Hammers on relevance in EDU. https://t.co/WKExCbmbeJ #SunChat
    In reply to @rdavisteaches
  • _meganmcdaniel Oct 15 @ 9:35 AM EDT
    Absolutely! Teaching is so rewarding. ❤ #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @IBMrsBoles, @susankotch
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:35 AM EDT
    Having a #flippedclassroom has helped me find time to meet with Ss 1:1 which also allows us to build trust and relationships #sunchat
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:35 AM EDT
    We give grades for process, that "don't count". Ex: essay drafts get temporary grades, final draft grade is what counts. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:35 AM EDT
    Important to remember that their best attempt may not always be their final attempt! #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon, @carlameyrink, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:36 AM EDT
    At my school level yes; however at district level no. Puts teachers in the middle, not always the best place to be.... #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:36 AM EDT
    Let me know if you need help convincing Principal or Supt. I'm here to help! #SunChat
    In reply to @PoppaG77, @Ms_A_Yeh
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:36 AM EDT
    In the last few years the edu-world has changed, it is no longer about content - it is about the processing content and making meaning of the content. When the knowledge of the world is all on the phone in our pocket we must find ways of learning how to use this. #sunchat
    • _meganmcdaniel Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM EDT
      Best thing I've heard about standards in my entire college career! #priorities #sunchat
      • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:28 AM EDT
        Our focus should be on the standards that are priority and relevant to the learning process. All standards are not created equal. #sunchat
        In reply to @DonWettrick
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:37 AM EDT
    If you are trying the Sheet I shared …try again. Not sure why copy feature wasn’t working?? #sunchat
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:37 AM EDT
    relevance is related to participation, if participation grades are high that may be a reflection of quality lesson planning #sunchat
    In reply to @DonWettrick
  • rdavisteaches Oct 15 @ 9:37 AM EDT
    They're an entirely different category. We are #SBG and content standards & learner development stds are all in own categories #sunchat
    In reply to @Mr_F_Learning, @perryafinch, @scienceinsixth, @biologygoddess
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:37 AM EDT
    Quote from prof learning I helped facilitate last summer. If you like, more links/resources 2 clicks away: https://t.co/teNEqOtQHm #sunchat
    • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM EDT
      And the quote below might sound like a downer, but I liken it to Churchill's take on democracy (SBG as best we've got for now) #sunchat
      In reply to @IBMrsBoles
  • Ms_A_Yeh Oct 15 @ 9:37 AM EDT
    I think it's a life skill that requires lifelong learning - always something to be working on! #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @IBMrsBoles, @brianrozinsky
  • MsSaretsky Oct 15 @ 9:38 AM EDT
    My experience has been that grades stop learning. They are more about ranking and competition #sunchat
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:38 AM EDT
    Thanks for sharing, look forward to reviewing after #Sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:38 AM EDT
    Agreed. Ss are more concerned about the letter they receive than the learning that takes place. #sunchat
    In reply to @MsSaretsky
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:39 AM EDT
    Looking for a secondary LA teacher! But, word of warning, Santo Domingo is no Cabarete #sunchat
    In reply to @susankotch
  • PoppaG77 Oct 15 @ 9:39 AM EDT
    But the standardized tests arent helping the change happen #sunchat
    In reply to @MrDataGuy
  • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:39 AM EDT
    Relevance is also based on wether the concepts are preparing our students for a future. Memorization for the sake of it is out. #SunChat
    In reply to @biologygoddess
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:40 AM EDT
    Need to change the mindset of students as well. Not always easy unless P are also on board. #sunchat
    In reply to @scienceinsixth, @MsSaretsky
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  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:40 AM EDT
    That's the challenge. #SBG is the way to go, but hard to convince admin when the test unfortunately gets the "final say" #sunchat
    In reply to @PoppaG77, @MrDataGuy
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:40 AM EDT
    On grading work in process (or *not* grading it), I was won over by many of the points in this argument: https://t.co/uFq7p4m3Ew #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @scienceinsixth, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
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  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:41 AM EDT
    Thanks for sharing--will read after #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @carlameyrink, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:41 AM EDT
    You're making me open a lot of tabs, Brian!! #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @scienceinsixth, @_meganmcdaniel, @susankotch
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:41 AM EDT
    External hard drives can memorize, Ss need to apply information to new situations #sunchat #authenticity
    • DonWettrick Oct 15 @ 9:39 AM EDT
      Relevance is also based on wether the concepts are preparing our students for a future. Memorization for the sake of it is out. #SunChat
      In reply to @biologygoddess
  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:41 AM EDT
    YES! Couldn’t agree more. Our district level often fails to look at growth, only end “label”. Not fair to Ss or Ts #Sunchat
    In reply to @PoppaG77, @MrDataGuy
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:41 AM EDT
    Great #sunchat! Have a wonderful day and week ahead!
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:42 AM EDT
    That is the disconnect. Remember there are two reasons for the state tests in particular, one is educational the other political. Some uses of standardized tests are helpful and others hinder - which is why we need of focus on a classroom formative assessment culture. #sunchat
    In reply to @PoppaG77
  • scienceinsixth Oct 15 @ 9:42 AM EDT
    Yes! We need to build life long APPLIERS of knowledge, not just life long learners! #sunchat
    In reply to @biologygoddess
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  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:43 AM EDT
    We fight this constantly. Ss are too stressed about grades to learn, but when message is grades = future. How can they not stress? #sunchat
    In reply to @SturmDon, @susankotch, @ETSU90
  • SturmDon Oct 15 @ 9:43 AM EDT
    Give @CAEddleman a follow to get her perspective with how #sbg is going! #sunchat
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  • ETSU90 Oct 15 @ 9:44 AM EDT
    Awesome #sunchat Thanks for sharing, looking forward to following up with all the resources shared! Have a great day!
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:44 AM EDT
    Our assessment culture must be standards based - that is a given, but we need to prioritize the importance of the types of assessments we use. #sunchat
  • cooper1503 Oct 15 @ 9:44 AM EDT
    Great chat! #sunchat
  • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:45 AM EDT
    Great Conversation about SBG! Looking forward to checking in at the end of the year to reflect on changes. See you next week! #sunchat
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:45 AM EDT
    Agree, not about merely changing symbols. Assessment practices R more important: retakes, removing behav data from academic data. #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @IBMrsBoles
  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:47 AM EDT
    Thank you for this broad perspective. (The 280-character may have helped!) #standardizedtesting #sunchat
    • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:42 AM EDT
      That is the disconnect. Remember there are two reasons for the state tests in particular, one is educational the other political. Some uses of standardized tests are helpful and others hinder - which is why we need of focus on a classroom formative assessment culture. #sunchat
      In reply to @PoppaG77
  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:47 AM EDT
    And changes like those necessitate effective communication w/Ss, families, admin about how new & worthwhile game might be played #sunchat
    • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:45 AM EDT
      Agree, not about merely changing symbols. Assessment practices R more important: retakes, removing behav data from academic data. #sunchat
      In reply to @brianrozinsky, @IBMrsBoles
  • biologygoddess Oct 15 @ 9:47 AM EDT
    symbols indeed #sunchat
    In reply to @brianrozinsky, @SturmDon
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  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:49 AM EDT
    Thanks for the great chat #sunchat. Lots to read and think about - love it!
  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:50 AM EDT
    Family engagement is critical for buy-in on alternatives to grades. And recruit supportive parents like me to join you! :) #ptchat #sunchat
    • susankotch Oct 15 @ 9:40 AM EDT
      Need to change the mindset of students as well. Not always easy unless P are also on board. #sunchat
      In reply to @scienceinsixth, @MsSaretsky
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  • brianrozinsky Oct 15 @ 9:51 AM EDT
    Thanks, #sunchat & #hacklearning, for 80 minutes of insights, resources, collegiality, encouragement. (Might need 2nd bowl of oatmeal.)
  • MrDataGuy Oct 15 @ 9:52 AM EDT
    Hey #sunchat continue this convo Tuesday evening at #WELEADED
  • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:53 AM EDT
    Colleges are coming around to #SBG. The list of schools is growing. #sunchat
    In reply to @carlameyrink, @SturmDon, @susankotch, @ETSU90
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  • rhonhigg Oct 15 @ 9:56 AM EDT
    This is encouraging. #sunchat
    • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:53 AM EDT
      Colleges are coming around to #SBG. The list of schools is growing. #sunchat
      In reply to @carlameyrink, @SturmDon, @susankotch, @ETSU90
  • JeremyDBond Oct 15 @ 9:56 AM EDT
    Thanks for all your efforts with parents. After all, you're really in it for the kids. Luckily so are we--embrace that commonality. #sunchat
    In reply to @IBMrsBoles, @carlameyrink, @Ms_A_Yeh, @brianrozinsky
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  • carlameyrink Oct 15 @ 9:58 AM EDT
    Yes, & many are focusing on life skills. One of our Ss took an entrance eval with questions like "Are you empathetic? Give proof" #sunchat
    • perryafinch Oct 15 @ 9:53 AM EDT
      Colleges are coming around to #SBG. The list of schools is growing. #sunchat
      In reply to @carlameyrink, @SturmDon, @susankotch, @ETSU90