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Programazing Jan 31 @ 9:03 PM EST

Sorry #DevDiscuss but I have to skip this week.

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

Time for the #DevDiscuss💬 Twitter chat! This week's topic: WEB vs NATIVE APPS

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

Rules: - Stay on topic - ALWAYS use the hashtag #DevDiscuss - Be NICE/POSITIVE ❤️ - Quoting tweets for clarity is encouraged 😁

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

This one should get people riled up haha #DevDiscuss

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joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:08 PM EST

#DevDiscuss I still feel like writing apps with JavaScript is a sin, but I am continually impressed by @Ionicframework

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Brocco Jan 31 @ 9:08 PM EST

Wow, quite a broad topic this week. Too many things to consider to consider when making this decision. Should be interesting! #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

Time for the #DevDiscuss💬 Twitter chat! This week's topic: WEB vs NATIVE APPS

OneEaredMusic Jan 31 @ 9:09 PM EST

#DevDiscuss More work is needed on a native app; they should be for specialised actions. Web apps are ubiquitous.

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neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:09 PM EST

You should always pick the right tool for the job. 1/ #devdiscuss

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neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

If web gets the job done - great, but don't try to make it look like it's native. /2 #devdiscuss

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ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

quangdaon Jan 31 @ 9:11 PM EST

After seeing what Android Devs have to go through, I will never complain about CSS again. #DevDiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:11 PM EST

Consider this: if you can get away with a web app, maybe don't need an app? Maybe a good(!) mobile website is enough? #devdiscuss

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:12 PM EST

It seems a lot of tech is consolidating to using web technologies (JavaScript) and directly interfacing with native components. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

Native has performance & offline advantages, but requires greater accessibility & porting efforts. 1/ #DevDiscuss

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

quangdaon Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

Our Front-End team at @experienceGray are looking to get into Progressive Web Apps https://t.co/JUL2nxy6J3 #DevDiscuss

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BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

It seems this trend will continue and become more seamless over time. Maybe Web Assembly will get access to native components #devdiscuss

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

One thing to consider here is app fatigue. There are so many apps out there, and usage indicates low adoption of new ones #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

bendhalpern Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

Apple's closed platform which inhibits web progress is a huge boon to native development in general and hurts the browser. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

#DevDiscuss That's a good consideration. Usually not a decision a programmer gets to make, but we can suggest that.

In reply to @neriusv

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

#DevDiscuss It's not hard to ask the user to add the web page to their home screen.

In reply to @joshin_my_tots, @neriusv

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

Carefully consider if native is worth the investment because it may not work as expected #devdiscuss

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

#DevDiscuss never heard about this, thanks for sharing

In reply to @quangdaon, @ThePracticalDev, @experienceGray

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

There will be a place for native for maximum performance but web will always offer better ROI esp w/ native access to device #devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

[standards-based] Web gets you broad portability and a base level of a11y, but offline/speed takes effort. #DevDiscuss

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bendhalpern Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

Apple's practices to prop up its own apps made more sense when devices were less powerful. Now it just seems stifling. #DevDiscuss

luke_dot_js Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

I get so excited about new web platform features and then remember that Apple exists #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

It's also important to note that Progressive Web Apps can produce a native like experience with out the heavy lifting #devdiscuss

cathodion Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

#DevDiscuss The right tool for the right job. *but*, the distinction is a source of vendor lock-in and should be opposed.

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

Web also doesn't require app-store approval and is easier to hook with tools (e.g. curl) 3/ #DevDiscuss

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dev_vine Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

Web continues to be more powerful. Lots of webapps now that could only have been native in past. 1/ #devdiscuss

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kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

react native is bridging gaps #devdiscuss

In reply to @BinaryIdiot

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

#devdiscuss today i lost a hackathon because the computer presenting our live demo webapp had a breaking extension in chrome

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

for sure and I know there is a native vue.js and others joining the fray. Crazy how ubiquitous JavaScript is! #devdiscuss

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dev_vine Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

Because of this, it becomes a question of, do we require the user to install something? Is it necessary? 2/2 #devdiscuss

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kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

If only it were a real programming language :D #devdiscuss

In reply to @BinaryIdiot

cathodion Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

#devdiscuss In the short term, hybrid apps are one way to do this

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claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:18 PM EST

#devdiscuss maybe lost is 2 strong. But breaking a site due to some shitty extension sucks

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:18 PM EST

#DevDiscuss I don't think there is an argument that native provides the best experience, but is it necessary all the time?

In reply to @bendhalpern

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:18 PM EST

that really sucks man :( #devdiscuss

In reply to @claudiordgz

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:19 PM EST

I haven't tried react native my self, but on paper it looks very impressive #devdiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews, @BinaryIdiot

RappidDev Jan 31 @ 9:19 PM EST

#devdiscuss

tremendous3 Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

Native is appealing for the younger market. Teens arent always connected & offline capabilities provide real value/impact. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

Browser sandboxing also means I'm more comfortable visiting random websites. But installing rando apps? 😱 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

gildaswise Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

#DevDiscuss I like being able to use everything the mobile platform has to offer, so native. (also, web/hybrid are so damn ugly in UI/UX)

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BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

ya I've barely played w/ it but since JavaScript runs everywhere it seems like this trend will only grow #devdiscuss

In reply to @neriusv, @kellyjandrews

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

#DevDiscuss true, the average number of apps a user installs every month is 0

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cathodion Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

#devdiscuss In the long term, I dream of one language-agnostic platform for server, browser, and native.

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dev_vine Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

W/ native you're subject to an ecosystem that is based on the whim of a Co. who is often competing w/ you. #devdiscuss

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kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

#devdiscuss

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joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

#DevDiscuss The UI can be ugly or it doesn't match. But some platforms allow the design to look close to native

In reply to @gildaswise, @ThePracticalDev

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

for us native would be better than web responsive, but native requires specialization & we're 2 small of a team #DevDiscuss

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gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

Conversely, for device-specific hardware (cameras, accelerometers, audio, card/chip readers) apps win. #DevDiscuss

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kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:23 PM EST

Downsides - web apps must be BLAZING fast to even remain relevant. You can't D/L native weights on 3G speeds in a web app #devdiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:23 PM EST

and slow. don't forget slooow. But to be fair, a lot of native UI is also ugly. #devdiscuss

In reply to @gildaswise, @ThePracticalDev

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:23 PM EST

#DevDiscuss I'm curious to know why people chose native or web? How did it go for you?

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

It's easier when talking native OS apps as typical speeds on home net is faster, but you can't rely on it - perf still priority #devdiscuss

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

any webapp correctively done as a pwa is a force of nature #DevDiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

This. If you need this, don't bother with web. It will be a world of pain. #devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

Conversely, for device-specific hardware (cameras, accelerometers, audio, card/chip readers) apps win. #DevDiscuss
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bendhalpern Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

Apple's killing the web by stifling browsers. Google's killing the web by eating the ecosystem. Native is a pain in the ass. #DevDiscuss

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

#DevDiscuss Another advantage for web is you can update anytime & force the user to update. Maintaining multiple app versions can be a pain

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

Just because the web has gotten fat & lazy doesn't mean it *has* to be that way. 😉 #BrowsedTheWebAt28.8 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

I really, really don't like writing JS, so... ;) #devdiscuss

In reply to @joshin_my_tots

gildaswise Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

#DevDiscuss Not when complying with the guidelines

In reply to @neriusv, @ThePracticalDev

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

I resemble that remark #devdiscuss

In reply to @gumnos

robmurrer Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

They both have their place but the easiest way to be everywhere FAST is use web. More JS devs than c++. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

we all have our downsides ;) #devdiscuss

In reply to @neriusv, @joshin_my_tots

TasmacNCheese Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

1. Native has a permanent presence on users, can push smarter notifications. 2. Bugfixes are incumbent on users updating apps :( #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

davidcstevens_ Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

With @ReactNative and @GraphQL this is entirely possible. JS to native is finally performant enough #DevDiscuss

In reply to @reactnative, @GraphQL

cathodion Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

#devdiscuss In the long term, I dream of one language-agnostic platform for server, browser, and native.
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kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

nd my first modem was 2400... :P #devdiscuss

In reply to @gumnos

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

oh god is that true. I had to refactor a web page a fellow dev created that contained 100MB worth of CRAP #devdiscuss

In reply to @gumnos, @kellyjandrews

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

yes, web "forces" all users to use the same version & that avoids lots of headaches. #devdiscuss

In reply to @joshin_my_tots

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

honestly it's because of our reliance on modules. They add so much bloat #devdiscuss

In reply to @BinaryIdiot, @gumnos

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

It's like every web developer forgot that web pages could be small & fast. Now they're all bloated to hell! #devdiscuss

blehdesu Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

Native apps can be sold - people pay the same even if they never open the app. Web apps need subscribers or ads to make money. #devdiscuss

robmurrer Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

If you need direct hardware access, native will always win. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

kimberlypilbeam Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

Native wins the UX challenge every time. #DevDiscuss

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claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

#DevDiscuss whichever road u take learn to build webservices in multiple langs and frameworks and you'll be conan d destroyer

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

#DevDiscuss we've implemented a lockout feature to force updates, but we hate to use it.

In reply to @neriusv

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

that's my biggest worry with import; multiple calls introduce latency which is BAD on high latency pipes #devdiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews, @gumnos

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

The time it took to connect would have people dropping now #devdiscuss

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kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

can we still say #NewYearNewYou? #devdiscuss

In reply to @neriusv, @joshin_my_tots

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

#DevDiscuss ⛪️ PREACH ⛪️

In reply to @kimberlypilbeam, @ThePracticalDev

bendhalpern Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

Is @GraphQL all that important with this? Seems more like an agnostic data flow detail than specific to native. #DevDiscuss

In reply to @davidcstevens_, @GraphQL

gildaswise Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

#DevDiscuss And there's that! Performance is better by a large amount when using native!

In reply to @neriusv, @ThePracticalDev

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

I worked on a system that had to support a web app in a desert over sat; each new JavaScript lib hurt #devdiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews, @gumnos

tremendous3 Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

The ability for an app to fit into your user's existing daily processes remains significant. #devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

Looking forward to HTTP/2 alleviating some of these latency issues. #DevDiscuss

In reply to @BinaryIdiot, @kellyjandrews

tremendous3 Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

Web is nice, but beibg tied to the phone's hardware changes your exposure and points of contact. #devdiscuss

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

100% - you can't beat the experience #devdiscuss

In reply to @kimberlypilbeam, @DevDiscussHQ, @ThePracticalDev

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

good times, good times #devdiscuss

In reply to @gumnos

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

REST is best ;) #devdiscuss

In reply to @bendhalpern, @davidcstevens_

nitish_dayal Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

Q1: PWAs & tools like React Native/Ionic/NativeScript/Electron/Xaramarin, etc. Outlook is good, heavy chance of JS. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

davidcstevens_ Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

Native represents higher engagement / retention as long as you actively produce content. Web is a funnel to get them there. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

one of our clients has a native app. When they break it, it takes forever to get app store approval. Affects us 👎#DevDiscuss

In reply to @gumnos

blehdesu Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

Cryptography can be an issue on web. Client-side javascript is vulnerable to code injection if SSL fails. Native apps are safer. #devdiscuss

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:34 PM EST

Sure - but when the average user only has room for ~5 apps in their daily workflow - thats a tough nut to crack #devdiscuss

In reply to @tremendous3

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

webpack has helped me a lot making best practices std, whereas before i had to slowly add them #DevDiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

@ThePracticalDev This. I cringe at the idea of ceding control to app-stores re. timing for getting fixes/features to customers. #DevDiscuss

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

one of our clients has a native app. When they break it, it takes forever to get app store approval. Affects us 👎#DevDiscuss
In reply to @gumnos

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

guess this is more of a problem for iOS (3-4days?) Android & Windows approval is like an hour or so? #devdiscuss

In reply to @the_hme, @gumnos

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

what do you mean by "don't try to make it look like it's native"? Disabling browser behavior? #DevDiscuss

In reply to @neriusv, @ThePracticalDev

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:36 PM EST

maybe a marginal victory #devdiscuss

In reply to @blehdesu

nitish_dayal Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

Q2: I don't differentiate them anymore. When working w/ web the approach is mobile first; when native it's cross-platform. Same. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

dev_vine Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

.@Nick_Craver So true. I'll gladly visit a site, but install an app? So the q becomes, is it necessary/are we gaining anything? #devdiscuss

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robmurrer Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

@ThePracticalDev The web will win eventually. On a Siracusa Infinite Timescale. #DevDiscuss

In reply to @bendhalpern, @ThePracticalDev

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:38 PM EST

"Dear customer, I fixed the costly issue and A: deployed it now B: submitted it to $APPSTORE for eventual approval" #DevDiscuss

In reply to @neriusv

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

Went web. One code-base for broad access, no app-store wait, easy updates, easy a11y, curlable API. 10/10 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @joshin_my_tots

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

Your app needs to be super compelling to get a d/l, let alone get used. #devdiscuss

In reply to @dev_vine, @Nick_Craver

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

plugin babel used to be brutality itself, nowadays it's pretty mainstream, really impressed at tools progress on web #DevDiscuss

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

had to look up "hybrid mobile app" 🤔 how do u like over native? #devdiscuss

In reply to @joshin_my_tots, @cathodion, @ThePracticalDev

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

yes! app has to give you _something_ extra. Sometimes performance is enough, e.g. facebook web vs. app #devdiscuss

In reply to @dev_vine, @Nick_Craver

dev_vine Jan 31 @ 9:41 PM EST

.@kellyjandrews @Nick_Craver Yup! Games aside, I'm a bit annoyed when I'm forced to use an app that could easily be a web app. #devdiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews, @Nick_Craver

joshin_my_tots Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

#DevDiscuss It's hybrid in the sense that it's mostly native, but opens a webview for the web portion of the app.

In reply to @the_hme, @cathodion

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

haha, this is what scares me the most about modern web dev stuff #devdiscuss

In reply to @BinaryIdiot

davidcstevens_ Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

REST definitely better than core methods, but poor/nonexistent API versioning still a frustration #DevDiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews, @bendhalpern

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

i see, yeah, that wouldn't be fun to do. #devdiscuss

In reply to @neriusv, @ThePracticalDev

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

REST and GraphQL both have a place. I was quoting Daniel Tiger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Inside joke I guess #devdiscuss

In reply to @davidcstevens_, @bendhalpern

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

Night y'all - been a blast as always.#devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

"Dude, UX would be a complete failure if our Contact Us page didn't have a 3000x800 Retina hero image…" #DevDiscuss

In reply to @BinaryIdiot, @neriusv

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

#devdiscuss not a fan, used angular ionic for one and it had a LAG that drives me crazy

In reply to @the_hme, @joshin_my_tots, @cathodion, @ThePracticalDev

tremendous3 Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

True, very few winners. We'd like that user to add another & most apps are niche so they get some play. Then sit. #devdiscuss

In reply to @kellyjandrews

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

yeah, we take 4 granted the freedom we get from having responsive web app when it comes to deployment. #devdiscuss

In reply to @gumnos, @ThePracticalDev

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

hybrid apps: Advantage: one code base. And all disadvantages of BOTH web and native (performance, appstore, etc) :| #devdiscuss

In reply to @the_hme

OzBobWA Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

@ThePracticalDev @gumnos #devdiscuss https://t.co/0CRxL6f1Vr @reactnative @apachecordova

In reply to @the_hme, @ThePracticalDev, @gumnos, @reactnative, @apachecordova

quincymitch Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

SPA makes web feel like app. Tools for apps are more cross platform. Cost of app more like web. Cost of web more like app. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

What is the outlook in web vs native? What are the environmental factors guiding the future of each specialty? #devdiscuss

gumnos Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

If you're lucky, you get a web version…that pushes the app in a banner on every page. 😡 #DevDiscuss

In reply to @dev_vine, @kellyjandrews, @Nick_Craver

kellyjandrews Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

Make this a poll - but web. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

🤔 #devdiscuss

In reply to @claudiordgz, @joshin_my_tots, @cathodion, @ThePracticalDev

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

#devdiscuss as new AI needs snap dragon drivers the need for both will prevail, choose wisely

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

lucus_patrick Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

Check demographics. I find North American/Europe focused has native adoption, rest of World strong web adoption #devdiscuss

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

RappidDev Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

Web devs seem to touch each part of the stack and frequently can move between code bases in diff langs PHP -> Ruby -> JS. #devdiscuss

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

#devdiscuss i mean seriously having an ai powerhouse in ur hand is pretty amazing and i don't mind doing both

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

Convergence is inevitable; web is gaining access to native controls & new capabilities. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

johnderrdotnet Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST

Looking forward to exploring PWA's. As a small team it's hard to allocate resources for native apps when web is our focus. #DevDiscuss

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST

If you can use Web Assembly, hooked up with native controls, then you can literally use any language to write any type of app #devdiscuss

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST
Convergence is inevitable; web is gaining access to native controls & new capabilities. #devdiscuss
- ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST
  
  Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST

@neriusv i see, yeah w our responsive web app, performance is an issue on mobile. Need to look for improvements. #devdiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

hybrid apps: Advantage: one code base. And all disadvantages of BOTH web and native (performance, appstore, etc) :| #devdiscuss
In reply to @the_hme

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST

Which then begs the question: Why call it Web Assembly? Maybe it should become something more generic in the future #devdiscuss

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST
If you can use Web Assembly, hooked up with native controls, then you can literally use any language to write any type of app #devdiscuss
- BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST
  
  Convergence is inevitable; web is gaining access to native controls & new capabilities. #devdiscuss
  
  ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST
  
  Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

dev_vine Jan 31 @ 9:51 PM EST

Web will win out. Eventually. The ubiquity cannot be beat. The cloud is too powerful. Last few years 📈 #devdiscuss

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

saronoff Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

React Native does a good job of this now for mobile. Not a stretch to think we will see convergence sooner than later. #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

tremendous3 Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

No single platform wins. We still have further hardware enhancements to make. Are devs ready for #AR glasses, #iot for fridges? #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

__biancat Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

Hopefully the former. I love the dev advantages of hybrid apps for sure though #devdiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:53 PM EST

#truestory: we decided to make some UI look "native" depending if device is iOS or Android on a web app.Biggest. Mistake. Ever. #devdiscuss

quincymitch Jan 31 @ 9:54 PM EST

There will be tools to compile native app or output website. One codebase. Both will thrive. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

ecnepsnai Jan 31 @ 9:55 PM EST

iOS review time for updates is usually only a couple of hours now, max 2 days #DevDiscuss

In reply to @neriusv, @the_hme, @gumnos

ecnepsnai Jan 31 @ 9:55 PM EST

you can also request expedited reviews from Apple for critical fixes. #devdiscuss

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callumj Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

Standards is a blessing and a curse. Native can move faster because the company can decide on what to add next quickly. #devdiscuss

5paceToast Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

The issue with Native is it looks bad. Web will converge into native (once someone figures out how to handle it properly). #devdiscuss

nitish_dayal Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

I hope for standardization in native APIs. Would allow for libraries to evolve+compete w/o devs having to commit to a platform. #DevDiscuss

ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

neriusv Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

eventually, yes. But people are saying this for the last 5 years. I want it now! :( #devdiscuss

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zwaldowski Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

“Access to” is still not, you know, /actually/ having those things. #devdiscuss

BinaryIdiot Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST
Convergence is inevitable; web is gaining access to native controls & new capabilities. #devdiscuss
- ThePracticalDev Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST
  
  Will web vs native keep being a "best tool for the job" situation, or will one of the platforms "win" in the future? #devdiscuss

philibertdugas Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

#devdiscuss We'll eventually call them native web apps 🙈

In reply to @ThePracticalDev

the_hme Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

summary 👎🏼 hybrid (lag), mobile (performance + store), and responsive (performance). 👍🏼 hybrid/responsive (1 code base), native? #devdiscuss

claudiordgz Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

maybe it was our ignorance with cordova but it means that hybrid is not exactly web
In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @the_hme, @joshin_my_tots, @cathodion

kiwi89 Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

Great user experience is key to success. Native apps as so much better at delivering a great user experience #DevDiscuss