#ELLCHAT Archive

#ELLCHAT is a repository for ideas related to teaching English Language Learners.

Monday October 22, 2018
9:00 PM EDT

  • TPSMultilingual Oct 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Launched an amazing instructional impacting book study on Unlocking English Learners’ Potential with our incredible ELD teachers. So excited to learn together! #successtps @SupportEduc #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT
    Good evening #ELLCHAT It’s time for our discussion about the hidden curriculum - the things new students need to understand to get along and succeed. This is an extra challenge for ELLs. Are you ready?
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Welcome to #ELLCHAT. Join us to discuss teaching the hidden curriculum of your school to ELLs. 1) Please share you name, where and what you teach.
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Welcome to #ELLCHAT Please join us to discuss teaching the hidden curriculum of your school to ELLs.
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Q1 Please tell us who you are, and where and what you teach. Start your tweet with A1 to go with Q1 and don’t forget #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Q1) Please share you name, where and what you teach. #ellchat
  • KanakoSuwa Oct 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Kanako, I work as a 4th grade EAL Specialist at an international school in Vietnam. Excited to learn about and discuss the hidden curriculum. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    A1) Judie Haynes, former ESL teacher, author and co-moderator of #ellchat
  • KanakoSuwa Oct 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    A1) Hi! I'm Kanako, I work as a 4th grade EAL Specialist at an international school in Vietnam. Excited to learn about and discuss the hidden curriculum. #ellchat #ellchat
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Hi, I’m Melanie and I teach high school ELD in Massachusetts #ELLCHAT
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    Hi, y'all. I'm Jan from Atl., Ga. Esol teacher. #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1 I’m Karen Nemeth, author and consultant focusing on young children who are growing up with 2 or more languages - from eastern PA #ELLCHAT
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1: Shaeley K12 ESL instructional coach from Central Iowa #ELLchat
  • educ8orSmith Oct 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1 ELD Coordinator, PA #ellchat
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT
    A1) Hello, I’m Peitra in Massachusetts, K-5 ESL teacher #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    A1) What is the hidden curriculum? It encompasses characteristics of schooling that “everybody knows.” It consists of social skills, such as interactions with peers and teachers, and includes the fundamental values and beliefs of a school community. #ELLCHAT
  • KanakoSuwa Oct 22 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    HI MELANIE! Hope you're doing well, miss you & our BU days! #ELLchat
    In reply to @smelaniemartins
  • MsSalvac Oct 22 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    A1) Hi! I'm Carol from Houston. I'm an Education Consultant & former ELL teacher. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    Q2) What are some areas of hidden curriculum in your school that might present challenges to your ELLs? #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    A1) Bilingual Consulting Teacher former Second Grade Bilingual Teacher! ❤️ #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    A2) Hidden curriculum is often found within the formal curriculum of a school; this may be partially in what is not taught. i.e. if most of the books read featured white protagonists. #ELLCHAT
  • dashendric Oct 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    A1: Hi! I’m Daria, high school ESL teacher from MN. #ellchat
  • BretGosselin Oct 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    A1-Bret Gosselin from Garland, TX-newcomer teacher turned EL specialist #ellchat
  • MsSalvac Oct 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A1) School norms are a challenge for some of our #SLIFE. But we have a One World Club that helps Ss adjust. Peers actively support. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A2) Areas of hidden curriculum in our schools that mold perspectives of students are issues such as gender, morals, social class, stereotypes, cultural expectations, politics, and language. #ELLCHAT
  • sandymoller Oct 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    My name is Sandy, I teach primary EL/Bilingual students in Morton Grove, IL. #ellchat
  • MsSalvac Oct 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A2) School norms are a challenge for some of our #SLIFE. But we have a One World Club that helps Ss adjust. Peers actively support. #ellchat
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    A2 The “hidden curriculum” in high school can be everything from how to apply to college to what a pep rally is and how to open a locker. Things that American teens may have been prepping for over the years that can be all new to newcomers #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT
    A2) Last year I wrote a blog about students not being able to see themselves in the literature they read in school. #ELLCHAT
  • BretGosselin Oct 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2-The “hidden curriculum” I often see is that “EL” means intervention courses. I have seen few instances where consistent “intervention” led to long term educational fulfillment and success #ellchat
  • sandymoller Oct 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2: Some challenges in the curriculum for my EL's are that the curriculum does not represent them, their culture, their customs, their view, their beliefs. So not only do they have to learn the content but also have to learn the mainstream culture and make sense of it. #ELLCHAT
  • KanakoSuwa Oct 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A2) Although our school is an international school and we embrace diversity in students and the community, the majority of the teachers are white, native English speakers, and our support staff (TA/cleaners/office staff) are locals. #ellchat
  • dashendric Oct 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    Do you have a link to it? #ellchat
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    Even though I work at a newcomer school, there are many mundane things that will be totally unknown to my students. Basics such as computer use will be considered as a skill all of them know, but reality is different. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2) Good point. Students may not know how to greet a teacher when they enter the class or how to leave if they need to go to the restroom. #ellchat
    • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:15 PM EDT
      A2 The “hidden curriculum” in high school can be everything from how to apply to college to what a pep rally is and how to open a locker. Things that American teens may have been prepping for over the years that can be all new to newcomers #ELLCHAT
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A2: Lots of policies & procedures might be hidden for ELLs #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A2 Yes. People think this is just a nicety - but there is plenty of research showing students learn better when they see themselves and make cultural connections to models and content. #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT
      A2) Last year I wrote a blog about students not being able to see themselves in the literature they read in school. #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    I think that we are all collectively getting better at this. If we know fellow colleagues that work somewhere where this is not the case it’s essential that we advocate for the integration of new texts/materials or alternatives! #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT
      A2) Last year I wrote a blog about students not being able to see themselves in the literature they read in school. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A2 Resource: Teaching elementary ELLs the Hidden Curriculum https://t.co/UWC05CUqQp #ELLCHAT
  • TeachLearnAct Oct 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    A2) Most of the history taught in schools contains hidden curriculum esp. when we hide from uncomfortable truths behind excuses of “the kids are too young to understand” when, in reality, the adults are just not prepared to examine other perspectives. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    It's on the tesol blog page. I'll look for it and send it out after the chat. #ELLCHAT
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    A2) At the elementary Level, the hidden curriculum seems to creep in with parent engagement, access to extracurricular activities, and in the literature choices. Is it also prior knowledge? #ELLCHAT
  • ElizabethEmmons Oct 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    A1.) Elizabeth ESL teacher in Massachusetts- here to #ellchat on this fine evening!
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Yessssss!!! 👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽 #ELLCHAT
    • TeachLearnAct Oct 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT
      A2) Most of the history taught in schools contains hidden curriculum esp. when we hide from uncomfortable truths behind excuses of “the kids are too young to understand” when, in reality, the adults are just not prepared to examine other perspectives. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    Please use the #ELLCHAT hashtag or everyone will not see your tweets. Thanks!
    • ElizabethAlex10 Oct 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT
      Elizabeth Alexander, Barrington RI. ELL Specialist/Department Coordinator
      In reply to @judiehaynes
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    A2) Another consideration about the hidden curriculum is the ELs' lack of knowledge regarding US popular culture. Even on standardized assessments there are popular culture topics mentioned. #ellchat
  • dashendric Oct 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    A2: 10th grade ELs are expected to work on the IB MYP Personal Project independently. They are provided with a “workbook” and have to figure out what it is, how to do it, & how to write a report. #ellchat
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    A2 One area that's common in US #preK but other countries consider it backward: Quizzing children on the obvious like “what color is your shirt?” Must be hard to adjust to using less critical thinking :( #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Q3) What messages does the hidden curriculum at your school give to ELLs? #ELLCHAT
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    It’s great that you are there to be a role model English learner for your students! #ELLCHAT
    In reply to @KanakoSuwa
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    This reminds me of Grace Lin’s TED talk #ellchat! https://t.co/03pyr95ekl
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • BretGosselin Oct 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    This was my experience at our newcomer celaste year too! You can’t make assumptions that what is “normal” here is normal everywhere #ellchat
    In reply to @jan_anglade
  • KanakoSuwa Oct 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    Reading everyone's replies about the hidden curriculum in the US make me realise how lucky and privileged I am to be at an international school and at a @ibpyp candidacy school where CRT and cultural integration / representation is valued in the planning stage. #ellchat
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    🤦🏽‍♀️assimilation? (Where diverse representation lacks) #ELLCHAT
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Yes! I’ve learned that so many of the famous figures and events I’ve taken for granted are totally unknown to many of my students. #ELLCHAT
    In reply to @jan_anglade
  • TeachLearnAct Oct 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Yes! As we move more toward technology-driven learning, we need to remember that not all of our students are digital natives #ELLCHAT
    In reply to @jan_anglade
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    A3) I once worked with a 1st grade teacher. Her ELLs would come in the morning and not talk to anyone. She taught the whole class how to greet the teacher and classmates and had them practice. A little thing but so important. #ELLCHAT
  • BretGosselin Oct 22 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    A3-We send, and continually reinforce, the message that newcomers are outsiders when we fail to provide access to the nuances of our culture and norms as they are represented in the school setting #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    The first story in the1st grade anthology was a story about getting money from the Tooth Fairy. My ELLs had no frame of reference for that. #ELLCHAT
    • TeachLearnAct Oct 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT
      Yes! As we move more toward technology-driven learning, we need to remember that not all of our students are digital natives #ELLCHAT
      In reply to @jan_anglade
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A3 The hidden curriculum tells my newcomers, “you better catch up. This is just the way it is.” The amazing EL dept at my school is trying to adapt the school to our students instead of the other way around, but this is a challenge #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    A3) When we don't make our curriculum accessible to ELLs we are sending a message that their learning is not important to us. #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    What @judiehaynes said! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽❤️👇🏽 #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT
      A3) When we don't make our curriculum accessible to ELLs we are sending a message that their learning is not important to us. #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 #ELLCHAT
    • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT
      A3 The hidden curriculum tells my newcomers, “you better catch up. This is just the way it is.” The amazing EL dept at my school is trying to adapt the school to our students instead of the other way around, but this is a challenge #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    A3 Part of the hidden curriculum, especially in #earlyed is to treat services for ELLs/DLLs as a “treatment” to “fix” them. We teach ELLs/DLLs how to greet and interact when we should be teaching ALL young children how to interact w/ peers who speak different languages! #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    A3) I think that your are right. Assimilation is what we expect. Many teachers do not celebrate the language & culture of their students. #ELLCHAT
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    A3) Sadly, the message is one like "Everyone knows this." and the teacher keeps talking without considering the "lost student ". #ellchat
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    A3) There are times when others don’t know that the newcomers/ELs aren’t aware of the nuances needed for success. It can make for difficult times. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:32 PM EDT
    A3) How many times has a colleague said to you "I think this child has a learning problem....." when no attempt has been made to teach ELLs "what everyone knows." #ellchat
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    A3: One message is English monolingualism valued more highly than being bilingual. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Q4) What behaviors of your ELLs are acceptable in their home culture but not in a school environment? #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    A3 I wrote New Words, New Friends and Nuevas Palabras, Nuevos Amigos to help all children equally learn how to communicate across languages - not just the ELLs/DLLs! https://t.co/Dhx5X9np0g #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Yessssss! OR they don’t know how to do x, y, z—when it hasn’t even been explicitly taught to them or even INTRODUCED! We must shift from deficit to ASSET mindsets!!! #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:32 PM EDT
      A3) How many times has a colleague said to you "I think this child has a learning problem....." when no attempt has been made to teach ELLs "what everyone knows." #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    A3) Yes a very good point! #ELLCHAT
    • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT
      A3: One message is English monolingualism valued more highly than being bilingual. #ellchat
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    Yes! And that their L1 isn’t as valuable as English. #ellchat
    In reply to @HSeslteacher
  • ElizabethEmmons Oct 22 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Q2) Students who’ve recently arrived to the US come with their own rules for social interactions. They must navigate a new and complicated system on their own to determine what is normal behavior while the rules they once knew to be universal are being broken. #ellchat
  • dashendric Oct 22 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    A3: Makes it especially hard in MN — they need to learn about being “MN nice” #ellchat
    In reply to @famouspeitra
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    A3 Yes, and add to that: In the U.S., when we talk about the benefits of bilingualism and biliteracy, we seem to only intend that for children who started with a non-English languages. Do we want LESS for those starting w/ English #ELLCHAT
    • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT
      A3: One message is English monolingualism valued more highly than being bilingual. #ellchat
  • mspopel Oct 22 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    A1- a little tardy to the party but it's me, Carlene, from beauty-full Brooks 🇨🇦 #ELLCHAT
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT
    A4) Some of our students at be more or less direct, some may be more or less physical. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    A4) ELLs often invade personal space (the American bubble) by standing too close. I had a 6th grade boy who constantly touched the other kids which wasn't appropriate with American Ss but was o.k. in his culture. #ELLCHAT
  • ElizabethEmmons Oct 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    A4) Smiling when scolded, confused, embarrassed or even angry. Avoiding eye contact with elders. Holding hands with friends. #ellchat
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    A4: Sharing answers with others is one behavior not always acceptable in U.S. schools. #ellchat
  • 2014FloridaTOY Oct 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Late start. Dorina in a Publix parking lot, just to say hello to the #ELLCHAT #PLN ;-)
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4 Students are used to swearing and using deragatory slurs in L1. They say “it’s normal” & “no big deal” for them. Our dept has made an effort this year to explicitly teach that our school culture values and expects respectful and supportive language in all languages. #ELLCHAT
  • sandymoller Oct 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    A4: Acceptable at home: Referencing their teacher as "Teacher" Not accepted in school: Calling their teacher "Teacher" instead of Mr. , Ms. Mrs. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    Yes! I once had a teacher who actually brought the parents in to school over this. #ellchat
    • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT
      A4: Sharing answers with others is one behavior not always acceptable in U.S. schools. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    A4) Good point! #ELLCHAT
    • sandymoller Oct 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT
      A4: Acceptable at home: Referencing their teacher as "Teacher" Not accepted in school: Calling their teacher "Teacher" instead of Mr. , Ms. Mrs. #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    A4 I get in trouble when I visit my kids in London. If I make a friendly remark to a stranger like “That’s a lovely scarf!”, my kids will whisper to me “technically we are in a queue” and I’m supposed to understand no chatting is allowed when lined up for anything. #ELLCHAT
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    I had an exchange student who tried calling her teachers by their first names- ¡scandalous! #ellchat
    In reply to @sandymoller
  • HeathHand4 Oct 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    A2. That is what makes such a diverse problem, we as teachers need to understand their socially acceptable norms and try to help them understand the value and what is acceptable in our society. The universal rules are not be broken just modified. #ellchat, #edfb4338
    In reply to @ElizabethEmmons
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    Please make sure that you add #ELLCHAT to your tweets or we don't see them. Thanks.
    • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT
      Yes! Or when they think a student has a behavior problem because he/she walked out the room to go to restroom. Well, nobody explained to such student the expected behavior.
      In reply to @judiehaynes
  • TeachLearnAct Oct 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    The reason an EL may sit quietly in the back and not do anything is not because they don’t know the answer, or don’t care, but rather because they know the teacher doesn’t really care (at least enough to have higher expectations) #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT
      A3) When we don't make our curriculum accessible to ELLs we are sending a message that their learning is not important to us. #ELLCHAT
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    #ELLCHAT
    • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT
      A2 The hidden curriculum can also include school behavior norms that are especially challenging to SIFE and older students. I have 18-22 yr olds who’ve been on their own for years. They have a hard time adjusting to new rules and understanding why they need to follow them#ELLCHAT
  • mspopel Oct 22 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    A2- procedures, what makes a "good character", not seeing self reflected in staff at school, in what holidays and celebrations are valued. *head starts thinking of everything and explodes* #ELLCHAT
  • KarenNemethEdM - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    A4 As if the ‘hidden curriculum’ expectations aren’t enough, sometimes teachers have expectations that they don’t realize are just their personal taste! No, it is NOT necessary to call adults “sir” or “ma’am”. just some people like that. #ELLCHAT
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    A4) My latinx students will greet each other with a hug or kiss on the cheeks, which will be frowned upon by my Asian and African Ss. On the other hand, my Asian and African Ss from same sex will hold hands while walking, which, sadly, has been criticized by Ts. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    Q5) Do you teach the hidden curriculum directly or hope that ELLs will acquire socially appropriate behavior and language simply by being with native English speakers? #ellchat
  • 2014FloridaTOY Oct 22 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    Great comments y’all. I gotta get on the road. I’m on the top left of Florida and need to make it to the middle a little South for my flight to #WIDA2018 #ellchat Have a great night!
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Most cultures are collectivist, while USA culture is very individualistic. #ellchat
    In reply to @HSeslteacher
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    Q5) I am a big believer in social behavior directly although ELLs will pick up many things from classmates. #ellchat
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT
    A5: When you put it like that, it's obvious we need to be explicitly teaching the hidden curriculum! I think trick is being cognizant of what isn't so obvious to ELLs. #ELLChat
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • mspopel Oct 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    A3- someone said this already, but if you speak any other languages other than English you are at a disadvantage #ELLCHAT
  • TeachLearnAct Oct 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    A5) Definitely teach explicitly-same with code-switching. Giving students the map to find the hidden curriculum is the key to them being able to navigate through new expectations. #ELLCHAT
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT
      Q5) Do you teach the hidden curriculum directly or hope that ELLs will acquire socially appropriate behavior and language simply by being with native English speakers? #ellchat
  • 2014FloridaTOY Oct 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    This...👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽 #ellchat
    • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT
      Most cultures are collectivist, while USA culture is very individualistic. #ellchat
      In reply to @HSeslteacher
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    A5) I don't think a lot of this is written out to guide us. The old TESOL K-12 Standards had a social language component but that was dropped in subsequent documents. #ELLCHAT
    • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT
      A5: When you put it like that, it's obvious we need to be explicitly teaching the hidden curriculum! I think trick is being cognizant of what isn't so obvious to ELLs. #ELLChat
      In reply to @judiehaynes
  • dashendric Oct 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    A5: I teach directly as my ELs come to my ELD class with lots of questions and comments every day. #ellchat
  • famouspeitra Oct 22 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    A5) There is no way to cover it all. I try to help new students connect with as many people as possible in school who can be helpful. There should be a reasonable expectation that we all adapt as our environment changes. #ellchat
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    A5) It has to be a combination of both, teaching directly and learning by association. More important is for Ts to be aware that not all the Ss are middle/high class suburban monolingual "American" students. #ellchat
  • smelaniemartins Oct 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    A5 I think it’s important to explicitly teach things kids need for school success. But I don’t try to get them to change harmless cultural habits. Often it’s teachers and schools that need to adapt #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    A5) I spend a lot of time teaching ELLs how to give and receive compliments, to thank someone for something, to ask directions, and to make small talk. #ellchat
  • sandymoller Oct 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    A5: I teach it but I also know that some of the social norms and behaviors will come with assimilation. Ex. once a week, a staff member tell jokes during the morning announcements. Many of my students do not understand the jokes, so I try my make that a teachable moment. #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    A5) Role playing, teacher modeling, peer modeling, and video are all good tools for teaching social skills. Also have students learn how to observe their peers for models of correct behavior. #ELLCHAT
  • mspopel Oct 22 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    A4- what makes a good listener and conversationalist and participant. #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Model, model, model! #ellchat
    • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT
      A5) I spend a lot of time teaching ELLs how to give and receive compliments, to thank someone for something, to ask directions, and to make small talk. #ellchat
  • sandymoller Oct 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    A5: I teach it, but I also know that some of the social norms and behaviors will come with assimilation. Once a week, a staff member tells jokes during the morning announcements. Many of my students do not understand the jokes, so I try to make that a teachable moment. #ELLCHAT
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    A5: True! What needs to be taught explicitly varies by students & their backgrounds, too. #ELLChat
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    Q6) What would you want to tell classroom/subject area tchrs about the hidden curriculum and ELLs? #ellchat
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    Yes! Ts need to be do their part and adapt accordingly to their Ss. #ellchat
    In reply to @smelaniemartins
  • ElizabethEmmons Oct 22 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    A5) I work with EL1 peers of young ELs but in MS & HSsI feel like an outsider too. I offer explicit advice when a behavior is not acceptable, but try to avoid pushing students to sacrifice too much of their identities for short term gains. #ellchat
  • mspopel Oct 22 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    A5- a little bit of both? Aspects that will make school navigation or participation easier (ex- in a group discussion this is how we do,what do we do when we have a playground problem)#ELLCHAT
  • DeanWitte Oct 22 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    A5) holidays and traditions encountered in school are one place I have taught hidden curriculum, how to act, what to expect, what is acceptable #ELLCHAT
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    A6) I would want to make gen ed tchrs aware that there is a hidden curriculum that ELLs don't know. #ELLCHAT
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6)I will tell content Ts: Don't assume! Ask the Ss 3 times a yes/no question. Some cultures will not say "no" until asked a couple of times. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6 Resource: Making sense of the hidden curriculum - https://t.co/1VF4HwXC06 #ellchat
  • DeanWitte Oct 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6) I provide PD to practicing teachers. I find this conversation hard: what is the saying? A fish doesn't recognize the water in which it swims. I have a difficult time facilitating conversations around this point. #ELLCHAT
  • LaMaestraFausto Oct 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6). Preview it like you would for all and then PREVIEW it again. Adaptations are necessary, front loading is necessary, this does not equal decreasing RIGOR! Challenge students, they can do it! DIfferentiate for students! ELs & EVERYONE ELSE too! #ELLCHAT
  • mspopel Oct 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6- that it exists and that we need to simultaneously explicitly teach it and also be hyper mindful of th hidden messages #ELLCHAT
  • HSeslteacher Oct 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    A6: Really get to know your ELs (1st #TESOL6Ps) so you have a better idea of what is "hidden" to them #ELLChat
  • EduGladiators Oct 22 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    🔮SATURDAY #EduGladiators wraps Ss Engagement focused on the middle! It's #amle2018 convention week & excited to have @posickj moderate! #CFISDchat #collegechat #COLchat #ELLchat #ksedchat #TeacherEdChat #tlap #gfedchat #ALedchat #NVedchat @8Amber8 @MrsAsztalos @blocht574 @ASCD
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    A6) Build background. Frontload should be part of every lesson. Keep it simple and build upon. #ellchat
  • judiehaynes - Moderator Oct 22 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    Here is the article I mentioned at the beginning of the chat. Reflecting Students' lives in Childrens' Literature. https://t.co/h1TaxCncoA #ellchat
  • MariaZampano Oct 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    A6 #ELLCHAT The most important thing is to get to know your students well. You will have a better sense of what needs to be explicitly taught. Dialogue journals have helped me address student questions about this hidden curriculum or bring it to their attention.
    In reply to @judiehaynes
  • jan_anglade Oct 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Knowing your Ss is extremely important. Have to make those connections since day 1. #ellchat
    In reply to @HSeslteacher
  • ElizabethEmmons Oct 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    A6) Until our students have the language & confidence to advocate for themselves, it is up to teachers to make space and accommodate their norms by learning what might cause discomforte so they don’t have to figure out ALL the rules through trial & error #ELLChat