#2ndaryELA Archive

#2ndaryELA is a group of middle and high school English Language Arts teachers looking to share ideas and best practices. We chat every Tuesday night at 8 pm EST using #2ndaryELA. We'd love for you to join us!

Tuesday September 11, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    8:00 Welcome to tonight’s chat! Please introduce yourself. Tell what & where you teach. Share your blog link if you have one. #2ndaryELA
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    I'm Brynn Allison, chat co-host with @spanglermiddle 10 yrs teaching MS & HS ELA in Philly. Blog: https://t.co/Dxqg5xgVCa #2ndaryela
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Intro: Good evening! My name is Amy and I am a 7th/8th grade reading teacher in Northern, Ohio. #2ndaryELA
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    I'm Leslie and I teach 11th grade in central California #2ndaryela
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Howdy from Texas! I teach 8th grade ELA. #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Joy from IL, 7th grade ELA (Trying two chats once again...) My blog - ELA, #geniushour, and #goinggradeless / #ttog / #tg2chat: https://t.co/hUeJcRY8jD Hi #2ndaryela crew!
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    George, secondary English and Humanities teacher. Coming to you from Japan! Blogging at https://t.co/HVCqyGmhNd #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Q1: What novels do you usually teach? Include a grade level. #2ndaryELA
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    #ShiftThis - Tuesdays at the same time - tonight we're chatting about shifting beyond core subjects - https://t.co/GLoxakFfgL :) #2ndaryela
    In reply to @SHowell306
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1 For 6th Grade: Hoot!, Hatchet, Tuck Everlasting, and Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief last year #2ndaryela
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    For 11th grade we teach The Crucible and The Great Gatsby #2ndaryela
  • Magnificent_mdl Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Hi I’m Kelli from Tennessee and I teach 7th and 8th grade RLA #2ndaryela
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1: Right now we are reading old school classics including Lord of the Flies for my 11th grade class, and Fahrenheit 451 in my 10th grade class. I like to take a hybrid approach where students read whole class novels but also get time to read whatever else they want. #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: Me and my closest coworker have stopped "teaching" novels. The one ALL 7th graders read is THE OUTSIDERS, but we do it #WholeNovels Style, thanks to @arielsacks's book. No teacher ?s - we use student questions at end of 10 days. https://t.co/zNUNVjAJ7J #2ndaryELA #elachat
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: Class novels change each year based on students needs and interests. Some past novels have been The Outsiders, Thunderdog, A Long Walk to Water, Out of my Mind, A Raisin in the Sun, I am Malala, Crossover. #2ndaryELA
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: The Outsiders @se4realhinton, Night, lit circles (varies from class to class). #2ndaryela
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Hello! Jennifer from California - blogging at https://t.co/gPzZEqwbyq TEaching 7/8/9 ELA and AVID #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q2: Are novels read whole class? In literature circles or book clubs? In class? Or for homework? #2ndaryELA
  • smigglezz Sep 11 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Stephanie from VA! A1: 6th: The Odyssey and The Breadwinner; 7th: The Outsiders and Shakespeare Stealer; 8th: Romeo and Juliet and Fahrenheit 451 #2ndaryELA
  • mardieteach Sep 11 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1 Rhonda 7th and 8th grade teacher in Ontario. 7th grade reads Touching Spirit Bear & Freak the Mighty; 8th grade reads Outsiders & several lit circle books. All do choice reading/ind. reading #2ndaryela
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    We usually read it in 7th grade as well - my 8th graders start talking about how good the book was and then my 7th graders cannot wait to read it. I have also stepped away from "teaching" a novel to letting students immerse themselves in the story #2ndaryela
    In reply to @JoyKirr, @arielsacks
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A2 Novels are traditionally read whole class and in class but I'm hoping to also do one round of literature circles #2ndaryELA
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A2: All of the above, but honestly I think it's super important for students to read in class. I can think of no better way to get more students to read than to carve out a time for them to do it. #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    I love that gone are the days we're giving them vocabulary and comprehension questions and discussing EVERY DAY and taking 6 weeks on The Outsiders! Now it's student-directed all the way! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @MsDendinger, @arielsacks
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1 Book club style reading of novels for 7th grade arranged by theme - first up "Bold Actions' with Peak, Holes...and #GRA read Refugee #2ndaryela
  • mardieteach Sep 11 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A2 - Novels are read in class and at home no matter if they're lit circles, whole class novels or ind. reads. #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A2: Students are constantly reading novels in 7th grade - independent reading (our only homework), small groups decided by students, book clubs (no roles/jobs) at times, but only a few whole-class read aloud novels. #2ndaryELA
  • Magnificent_mdl Sep 11 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A2: Our are whole class and I use audible. #2ndaryela
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A2: We do a combination of in-class read alouds / book club discussions and student choice independent reading. #2ndaryela
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A2: I loathe whole class reading, but am unfortunately doing more of it that I want to. I want to do more lit circle styles but have yet to figure out a good pacing that will fit with everything else. Hope to test it out later this year #2ndaryela
  • smigglezz Sep 11 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A2: I do a combination of these methods during the book units - except Romeo and Juliet in 8th. We read and act out what we can together. Plays = meant to be seen. Helps with their first time using Elizabethan English. #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Two great texts #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @teachinELA
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A2 I do book club style, and kids read every day in class AND at home, if they choose. Some Ts at school still do whole class reads, but I'm pushing them away from that #2ndaryela
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A2: For Honors: we read 2 books in class, as a whole class, and 1 lit circle. For GT: we read some in class, some homework -2 books and 2 lit circles. #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    So I'm guessing you would highly recommend that book? I have it but have yet to read it #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @JoyKirr, @arielsacks
  • Magnificent_mdl Sep 11 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A2 cont. (because I hit Tweet accidentally) I do not have enough books to let them go home as homework. They do independent reading with a book of choice. #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    8:15 Q3: What are the most important skills for you to cover when reading a novel? #2ndaryELA
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    I love that you are responsive to students' needs and interests with your choices #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @MsDendinger
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    I really like them, and most students do too, but I just find it so hard with some classes that it becomes like pulling teeth. I'm looking into a new classroom structure that may help alleviate some of that and hopefully get them more invested in it in a genuine way #2ndaryela
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    I'm curious - do students choose one of the three books in your book club that interests them or do they have a chance to read all three? (Also Refugee gutted me and I really want to share the story with my students) #2ndaryela
    In reply to @mamawolfeto2
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    The Breadwinner and Shakespeare Stealer are new titles to me. Would you recommend them? #2ndaryELA
    In reply to @smigglezz
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A3 Plot, character, POV, theme and writing using text evidence #2ndaryELA
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    For sure. I find something useful from almost every ELA book, but this one tore our Outsiders unit to shreds. :) #2ndaryela
    In reply to @literarymaven, @arielsacks
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A3: Making inferences, answering the "so what?", and using textual evidence to back up their thoughts, and opinions about the text. #2ndaryela
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Yes! I really want to do that...just have to convince everyone else lol #2ndaryela .....or not..........maybe I can find a way to do that, but still focus on the same skills as everyone hmmmmmm
    In reply to @mamawolfeto2
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A3: Questioning. Student questions - we make sure they are able to ask each other their questions (vocabulary, content, critical, etc), and perhaps bring them to the fishbowl discussion at the end of their chosen novel. Nothing fabricated. #2ndaryELA
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A3: This is one of my issues with my site using whole class novels, we use it to teach embedded quotes and analysis, but that doesn't have to be done with everyone reading the same book... also character, theme, conflict, etc #2ndaryela
  • MsDesberg Sep 11 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1: 12th grade — Hamlet, Oedipus, The Things They Carried, Animal Farm, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales ... 10th grade — Macbeth, Lord of the Flies, Tuesdays with Morrie, Catcher in the Rye, House on Mango Street ... #2ndaryELA
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A3: Speaking and listening skills through our discussion groups as well as making text/real life connections, main idea/details, sequencing, and compare/contrast. #2ndaryELA
  • Magnificent_mdl Sep 11 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A3 - we focusing POV - types of character and traits- theme - literary devices and text evidence #2ndaryela
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    You can do it! Don't wait for everyone else to be convinced - they will be convinced when your students are engaged and producing AWESOME results! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @teachinELA
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Oooo how do you use hyperdocs? Are they for each book or based on the lesson/theme? Sorry for all the questions lol #2ndaryela
    In reply to @mamawolfeto2
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A3: character dev and motivation, plot, supporting writing with text evidence, making connections across genres #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    8:20 Q4: Describe the most engaging activities that accompany your novel studies. #2ndaryELA
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    At first, I didn't see the 10th grade and thought they were all for 12th! I was amazed at how you fit it all in haha #2ndaryela
    • MsDesberg Sep 11 @ 8:18 PM EDT
      A1: 12th grade — Hamlet, Oedipus, The Things They Carried, Animal Farm, Beowulf, Canterbury Tales ... 10th grade — Macbeth, Lord of the Flies, Tuesdays with Morrie, Catcher in the Rye, House on Mango Street ... #2ndaryELA
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A4 Here's some of my favorite activities to use with whole class novels or literature circles https://t.co/mtspMpzn9r #2ndaryELA
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A4: Vigorous whole class and small group argument about the themes, implications, and characters in the novel using textual evidence to back up claims. #2ndaryela
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    "Nothing fabricated" love that! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @JoyKirr
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    You could do it either way - here's a sample my friend @MsMarshallCMS made that might give you ideas: https://t.co/cRDD9rN1B4 #2ndaryela
    In reply to @teachinELA, @MsMarshallCMS
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A4: I always try to make novels relatable for students through real-world connections. Videos to build a visual anchor, guest speakers, and activities where students can put themselves in the character shoes. #2ndaryELA
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A4: Our 7th graders love discussions - sometimes entire class fishbowl discussions! 😉 We use student-created questions, of course! #2ndaryELA
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:22 PM EDT
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Heather is a rock star. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @mamawolfeto2, @teachinELA, @MsMarshallCMS
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A4: I did a donors choose last year in order to create my own breakout room for The Crucible. Ss had to stop Abigail from fleeing by solving puzzles and finding her confessions around my classroom #2ndaryela
  • smigglezz Sep 11 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A3: Cause/effect relationships between events. Character perspective/motivation. Themes/motifs. Bloom's Taxonomy levels of questions (writing and answering). Depends on the grade level and book taught. #2ndaryela
  • Magnificent_mdl Sep 11 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A4: We read a novel as a class and they are put in discussion groups to analyze POV, characters and etc. Then they participate in Socratic Seminar and this is the time we have in depth discussion about the book. They love it! #2ndaryela
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A4: We are also focusing on overcoming adversity this year with The Crucible, so they will have the opportunity to analyze the play with that lens, then the next unit they choose a real-life figure to present about and their trials and obstacles #2ndaryela
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A4 Any activity that gives students choice, voice and agency - I love making #hyperdocs. Here's one for Roll of Thunder: https://t.co/T5I0MEm61Y #2ndaryela
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A4: Also group discussions have been a game changer for novels. Ss meet 3 times during the book to talk plot, share reactions/predictions, & make connections to text. Ss have really taken ownership of these groups & developed some insightful ideas PLUS its Ss led. #2ndaryela
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A4: With Night, we research the Holocaust and WWII before we begin, and we keep a reflective journal as we go. #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Q5: Share a resource for teaching a novel that you find invaluable (book, article, blog post, type of technology, etc.). #2ndaryELA
  • smigglezz Sep 11 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A4: Small and large unit projects. Ex: A mock election for Lord of the Flies. (Electing a leader with campaign speeches.) Socratic seminars and debates are a hit, too. #2ndaryela
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A4 For ind. reading this year, they are doing reflective logs to connect their reading to something personal or real-life, summarize, ask questions, and make predictions. The actually really love it so far. #2ndaryela
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A5: I can think of no better book on teaching novels than "Readicide" by Kelly Gallagher. Focus by Mike Schmoker comes close though! #2ndaryela
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A5 I've got resources on my blog - https://t.co/EYzwlLbu1E #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    If you must "teach a novel," I suggest reading... 📚 #WholeNovels by @arielsacks and #BookLove by @pennykittle and #DisruptingThinking by @KyleneBeers & @BobProbst #2ndaryELA
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A5: A NOVEL APPROACH by Kate Roverts. In the book @teachkate offers a practical framework for creating units that combine whole-class novels & independent reading to help students grow as readers. #2ndaryELA
  • teachinELA Sep 11 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Yes! both are great. I like and own most of Gallagher's work #2ndaryela
    In reply to @kruevans
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I love this book! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @MsDendinger, @teachkate
  • Magnificent_mdl Sep 11 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A5: I like to have nonfiction text related to the novel. #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    I've heard that one's good, and I love her videos. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @MsDendinger, @teachkate
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    I love his work because I can actually *do it*. Sometimes you can tell an author hasn't been in the classroom for a while. That's what makes @KellyGToGo so special. He lives and breathes this everyday. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @teachinELA, @KellyGToGo
  • mamawolfeto2 Sep 11 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A5 I also used #podcasting last year - would be fun to do along with a novel/unit study https://t.co/adDCn3g2Ob #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Thanks for chatting with us tonight. Here’s a sneak peek at next week’s chat #2ndaryELA
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A5b: Also @arielsacks and her book Whole Novels for the Whole Class: A Student‑Centered Approach is excellent! #2ndaryela
  • literarymaven - Moderator Sep 11 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    And don't forget #2ndaryELA You can join us on FB to continue the conversation all week long https://t.co/p48Rqn7hbe
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Going to check this out. Thanks!!! #2ndaryela
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Thanks for hosting! Normally I'm teaching at this time, so it was great to read and participate! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @literarymaven
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:32 PM EDT
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I aspire to be half as good of a teacher that she is! It's a brilliant book. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @MsDendinger
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A5: I don’t have any new resources to add...I pull from Gallagher, Miller, Roberts, Beers/Probst, Kittle. #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    I love sharing @arielsacks's book. It helped me "toss out" "TEACHING" of novels, for sure. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @kruevans, @MsDendinger, @arielsacks
  • MsDendinger Sep 11 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Thanks for hosting @literarymaven So many great ideas shared tonight. #2ndaryela
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    It really helped me understand that novel's themselves weren't the problem. They still are valuable! Just a very refreshing book that I'm so glad I have read. #2ndaryela
    In reply to @JoyKirr, @MsDendinger, @arielsacks
  • SHowell306 Sep 11 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Thanks, @literarymaven! Gnight!! #2ndaryela
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    No doubt. It helped me see that I need to meet with students 1:1 instead of whole-group. They each have such different needs with the same book. Plus, it was fine when students finished the book that first night! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @kruevans, @MsDendinger, @arielsacks
  • kruevans Sep 11 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    For sure! It hits the sweet spot because it allows for the novel, but as you said incorporates more of a workshop approach. I'm getting fired up to read it again! #2ndaryela
    In reply to @JoyKirr, @MsDendinger, @arielsacks
  • JoyKirr Sep 11 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    :) I always "allowed" it (how can you stop it?), but now, the way we structure it, there are no spoilers!! :D #2ndaryela
    In reply to @arielsacks, @kruevans, @MsDendinger
  • ToshMcGaughy Sep 11 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    #2ndaryela on Tuesdays
    In reply to @catydear, @ncte, @TCTELA, @ILAToday