#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday December 11, 2017
8:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Dec 11 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #musedchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/x9OSK7xqnl
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:00 PM EST
    It's time for #musedchat! Our topic tonight: Teaching abstract musical concepts (like musicality and expression). Remember to introduce yourself! And with a GIF, how excited are you about The Last Jedi coming out this week?
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Greetings, I’m John from MI! Currently a music education major!! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:01 PM EST
    How are you this week, John? #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:01 PM EST
    I’m doing great! How are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Sam Fritz Greenwood IN 6-8 Band #MusEdChat
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hello everyone! I'm Susie from near Sacramento and I teach 4th and 5th grade band. #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Life is good! Winter concert in two days, then nothing. #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Good to see you Sam, how are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • bfar429 Dec 11 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Brad. MS and HS Music teacher in Detroit area #musedchat #starwars
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Welcome to the chat Susie, how are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @TubaChic
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Nice! It’s the midst of finals week for me then prep for MMC when we get back. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:04 PM EST
    How are you tonight, Brad? #musedchat
    In reply to @bfar429
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Awesome!! We had our Winter Concert on Wednesday. Just horn on face time and games till break! #musedchat
  • MrsMacMusic307 Dec 11 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Sydney here from NY. I teach 7-12 Choral/General in PA #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:05 PM EST
    #musedchat So. Excited.
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:06 PM EST
    How are you tonight Sydney? #musedchat
    In reply to @MrsMacMusic307
  • AndreaMakarchuk Dec 11 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Andrea. From Alberta, Canada. 6-12 band #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Good to see you Andrea, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • MrsMacMusic307 Dec 11 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Fabulous.Will have my second of my three winter concerts this week. Almost there! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Q1 coming shortly #musedchat
  • MrAband Dec 11 @ 8:10 PM EST
    George from Illinois. Grades 6-8 Band #MusEdChat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Hi All! Amy from MI. I teach middle school band with one Dec concert down and one to go. Also, I answer your nerdy question with a nerdy reference: #musedchat
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:12 PM EST
    GREAT!! Stress Free next few week :) #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Q1: How do you discuss musical interpretation with your students? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Hi George, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @MrAband
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Hope you're doing well tonight! #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Beginners re: Phrases- I relate as sentences. Don't breathe after every word in "Mary Had a Little Lamb". I speak the words and show two different phrasing. #musedchat
  • MrAband Dec 11 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1: I try to model and explain my thought process as much as possible. #MusEdChat
  • bfar429 Dec 11 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1: I talk a lot about audience emotional reaction. “How should the audience feel here”. Also, Where is this music going? Is it going somewhere or coming from somewhere. How can we bring these ideas out #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1: It’s all about context for me. One of my favorite questions to ask is “What is the composer trying to say, and how can we express that in our playing?” #musedchat
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 11 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Sorry I'm late! Deanna, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1: Lots of analogies/stories/visuals to get an idea across. ie: Told Ss not to hit audience w/ a snow plow on last note of piece called Snow for concert last week. No splats. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:15 PM EST
    That's a really relatable example for younger students. #musedchat
    In reply to @TubaChic
  • MrsMacMusic307 Dec 11 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: Breaking it down into sentences and speech. "How would you say this? Sing it that way" #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1.1: One of the best things I’ve ever heard came from a saxophone masterclass on the Albright Sonata, “We all know the composer’s feelings about death in this piece, do you have similar feelings about death that are related to this music?” #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Yep! Keeping an eye on the weather so I know how early to set my alarm tomorrow. #blerg #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A clinician in HS many years ago told us "every note has a mother" to get us thinking about direction, and how things are connected #musedchat
    In reply to @bfar429
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Thanks! Saying, "Mary [breathe]Had[breathe]a[breathe]Little[breathe]lamb[breathe]" really nails it with them I think. Plus I talk about hyperventilating lol #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:18 PM EST
    #musedchat Antoine Buttigieg here from Woodbridge Ontario Canada HS instrumental music teacher MB and drumline director of the @FrBressaniCHS
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:19 PM EST
    #musedchat Antoine Buttigieg here from Woodbridge Ontario Canada HS instrumental music teacher MB and drumline director of the @FrBressaniBands
  • AndreaMakarchuk Dec 11 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Modelling....playing phrases for students in a variety of ways and zeroing in on why one is appropriate #musedchat
  • MrAband Dec 11 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1.1: program notes also can provide context and sharing them with Ss helps. For example ‘Psalm 42’ by Hazo ... doesn’t take long to understand the intent and interpretation with that piece.#MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A1: Where possible, we'll talk about what the composer says about their piece to see what insights can be had there. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:21 PM EST
    #musedchat A1 I model and ask which sounds better, then ask which one sounds professional always strive for the best possible sound
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Always nice when you've got a clue from the composer as to what's wanted. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrAband
  • AndreaMakarchuk Dec 11 @ 8:21 PM EST
    YouTube.....a great place to find recordings (good and bad) to use as a conversation starter. #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Inspired by a BDG FB post we started using the visual analysis on Tonal Energy to figure out differences in articulation styles this year. Seems to be helping so far, especially on legato vs slur. #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Sometimes finding a bad recording can be just as valuable as finding a good recording, we need to hear things we like and don’t like and explain why that is! #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:27 PM EST
    #musedchat A1 I also use the concept of hierarchy of rhythm. Hey low brass I love the beefyness of your sound, it will do us well in MB but right now we need warmth like a mother soothing her child to sleep
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A1: when we get there, we talk about natural tendencies of music: low to high, high to low, fast to slow. We talk about how the composer uses these to create moments and emotions #MusEdChat
  • rebelmusicteach Dec 11 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Late; Emily, South Florida, 6-8 band & chorus; winter concert Thursday. Then collapse. #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Dec 11 @ 8:31 PM EST
    I use visuals for accents. A regular accent is like “pushing someone” and a marcato accent is like a “punch” with a quick pull back. Seems to work. #musedchat
    In reply to @Deanna_Nebel, @AmyLynnRever
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Q2: What skills do you teach to set the foundation for an expressive performance? #musedchat
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 11 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Sometimes, especially with abstract, some of the "simple" questions can be effective like "who has the melody?" Also, "who takes over the melody?" "Who/what do we need to be listening for?" "What instruments have the countermelody?" Etc #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Good to see you! #musedchat
    In reply to @rebelmusicteach
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A1: Beginners: I use a hoberman sphere to illustrate dynamics. Fully extended=Fortissimo. Fully collapsed=pianissimo #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A2: Moving beyond notes and teaching them to see all the things between the lines. Articulations, dynamics, expression markings, etc. Good start to build on for interpretation. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A2: We try to make Ss very aware of volume as it relates to air flow. Play that phrase in one breath might not be possible at the dynamic written. How long can you sustain at a level and stagger accordingly #MusEdChat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A2: The concept of tension/release for sure, and getting them to think about what happens after the music stops. Asking them “Where does the music go, and more importantly what does this music witness to us?” #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A2.1: Also I try to keep the model of vocal music, we should play the way we would sing. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A2: The general concept of control (tone, air, articulations, etc) so they can learn to make the instrument/voice do what they want #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:38 PM EST
    This is so important. Too often Ss miss the fact that 95% of the time good tone, intonation, etc. comes from the performer, not the instrument #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A2:1 great fundamentals for sure! Once we sound good on a fundamental exercise I will throw in dynamics and articulations to mess it all up. We keep working to master layers of responsibility #MusEdChat
  • MrsMacMusic307 Dec 11 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A2: Breath control. How sensitivity or harshness of a phrase all comes down to when the air goes in and out #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:41 PM EST
    #musedchat A2 self reflection, where do you stand in musical phrase, are you the main feature should you be, in the conversations, speaking or listening.
  • rebelmusicteach Dec 11 @ 8:43 PM EST
    right. You can't properly be expressive w/ zero tone or technique. #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused, @jguarr
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Totally stealing this! We talk about lead actor, secondary actor or harmonic set design. #MusEdChat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Thanks! The first time I tried this with a band I left the conductor’s stand saying “Don’t answer, but think about it.” #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Q3: What are your tried and true guidelines for expression? (ex: use vibrato in *these* situations) #musedchat
  • MrAband Dec 11 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A2: I feel an often overlooked concept is the fact that the musician has to be completely detached from the emotion in order to truly control the musical expressions and convey the message. Strong fundamentals are crucial. #MusEdChat
  • MrAband Dec 11 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A3: Always reach for one more note. #MusEdChat
  • dan_austin76 Dec 11 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A2.To musical interpret a piece students first need to learn how they have to manipulate their instruments to create that mood. Attention to articulation, phrasing, dynamics, balance, blend. A lot of left brain thinking is involved when creating emotion on instruments #musedchat
  • CondensedScore Dec 11 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A3: Sing through your horn. And listen. Listen is the answer to everything actually. And 42. #MusEdChat
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A3: Follow the direction of the line with your dynamics. Play louder lower quieter higher to play an even line. When playing slowly pretend each note is the most delicious you have ever played and you don’t want to let go before you start the next one #MusEdChat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:49 PM EST
    #musedchat A3 we are trying to create colour images in the mind of the audience from a black and white image through sound. When they get it and I get the goosebumps I show them. I ask them immediately how/what did they do?
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 11 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A3 where/when is silence and lower volume more powerful in this example? #musedchat
  • dan_austin76 Dec 11 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A3. Legato tonguing and connection in the musical line always creates the right mood in lyrical pieces. Easy tongue and air support are the key #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A3: Small scale - air to the end of the note Big scale - air to the end of the phrase #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A3: Sing and then play, play a phrase 10 different ways, and just telling them to look up often are a couple of mine. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Dec 11 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A3:1 don’t “rest”, perform silence. #MusEdChat
  • rebelmusicteach Dec 11 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A3: I teach both band & chorus now, but it's still hard to get kids to "sing" on their instruments. (At least in MS.) #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A3: Implied dynamics and never breathing at the top of a crescendo and killing a moment come up frequently (unless otherwise noted by the composer). #musedchat
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A3: Arnold Jacobs: "Remember, your horn is just a mirror in your hand -- a mirror of what's in your head. You must play wonderful sounds, not just technically perfect notes. You must hear the music! Check your brain, and imitate it. You must keep singing in your head." #musedchat
  • CondensedScore Dec 11 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A3: Be a fine craftsman of sound. Put care and love into each note/phrase/performance. #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
    We could honestly just have a chat focused only on Arnold Jacobs quotes, and it would be great #musedchat
    In reply to @TubaChic
  • CondensedScore Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
    please? #MusEdChat
    In reply to @jguarr, @TubaChic
  • dan_austin76 Dec 11 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A3. I always tell my students if they do EVERYTHING written on the page (not just correct notes and rhythms) they will create the mood the composer wants. The key is ALWAYS attention to detail #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Love this!! #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A3.1: When teaching good breathing techniqueI like to use the phrase “Breathe Low” rather than “Breathe from the diaphragm.” #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Silence can be hugely impactful. Exhibit A: Miles' solo on 'So What'. #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Running gag in our band room. I have this taped on my office door. :) #musedchat
    In reply to @dan_austin76
  • dan_austin76 Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
    YES!!! I always remind my students that nothing happens in a piece by accident. If a composer gives you a rest if serves a musical purpose just the same as playing a note. #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Alright...it's definitely happening sometime. #musedchat #JacobsChat
    In reply to @CondensedScore, @TubaChic
  • TubaChic Dec 11 @ 8:56 PM EST
    YYYEEESSSS!! I need to finish "Song and Wind". Started but it's a lot to digest. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • dan_austin76 Dec 11 @ 8:57 PM EST
    AWESOME!! I tell my students if they get it right once that is a coincidence. If they can get it right twice that is proof of progress, and if they get it a third time that is a trend. #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 11 @ 8:57 PM EST
    "The important thing is not what you sound like. It's what you want to sound like." -Arnold Jacobs Important to have a good mental concept of sound. #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Dec 11 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Stealing this, too. #musedchat https://t.co/DkCjtHRBgM
    • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:54 PM EST
      A3.1: When teaching good breathing techniqueI like to use the phrase “Breathe Low” rather than “Breathe from the diaphragm.” #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 11 @ 8:58 PM EST
    My band director uses the terms “visual noise/silence” to talk about rests. We have to look the way the music sounds. #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 11 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Breath down to your toes or Breath as if you only have ONE breath to last the entire piece #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused