#425chat Archive

This is a chat for football coaches to discuss the 4-2-5 defense on Thursday at 8PM CT

Thursday March 1, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Coaches, what are some ways that you stay in a 2 high structure vs. RPO's? #425chat
  • Skillutt28 Mar 1 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Jeff Lutt DC & GBLB Coach Great Bend HS, KS #425chat
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    First determine what will hurt u most RB run , QB RUN or pass? Then determine how to take that away. Rotate the safety down to that player or strength , and play best coverage accordingly. #425chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach
  • CoachKelleyAHS - Moderator Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Again, post your questions and intros using #425chat. Others will respond!
  • coachdboucher Mar 1 @ 9:10 PM EST
    David Boucher, DC/OLB and OL, Royal Valley HS, KS #425chat
  • CoachTaddeo Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Any coaches put the interior in a 3 & 2i instead of a 1? What are the benefits and when are you doing this? #425Chat
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:11 PM EST
    What do u consider the Two most important spots in the 4-2-5 include one of the front six , and one back 5. Why? #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyAHS
  • CODY_GARDNER Mar 1 @ 9:13 PM EST
    If the center isn’t very good, we will get in a 2i. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Yes I prefer that 3 and 2i. It allows the MLBS to only have to focus on beating a uncovered center on any runs. Both g’s are being hit by DTs makin it more difficult for them to get to LBs. C still has to snap then go. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • CODY_GARDNER Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    3 tech and WS. Asked to do the most. #425chat
    In reply to @greek42e, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Front: I think your WLB has to be stud. Asked to do many things and tied to the front end and back end. For the back end I'd say the Weak Safety. Has to be the hybrid of all hybrids. Boundary guys must be ballers. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyAHS
  • coachsmitty_43 Mar 1 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Coaches, how do you defend against the cutback vs. 10p 2x2 from a 2 High Structure? #425chat
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:17 PM EST
    WS in the cut back player(to boundary) we call CoBRa player. Counter /cut back boot reverse action. Sam usually is to field. Sometimes field safety #425chat
    In reply to @coachsmitty_43
  • CoachBush75 Mar 1 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Head up 2. Slant them to the gap you want. Like others have said it makes the center have to get the LB and also can confuse some OL on helping with the DT or straight to LB makes the overall box faster imo #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • coachdboucher Mar 1 @ 9:19 PM EST
    We like a 1, I was a center, and I hated pressure by a good 1. forces dbl teams in most scheme's, easier for 1 to get hands on and not get reached. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • CoachJTolbert Mar 1 @ 9:20 PM EST
    If you base out of a single high structure what kind of change up coverages do you have #425chat
  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Coaches, do any of you use solo anymore as a 3x1 check? #425Chat
  • coachsmitty_43 Mar 1 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Where do you have his eyes to get his run/Pass read aligned over #2 to the boundary? #425chat
    In reply to @greek42e
  • CoachBush75 Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Agree that safeties must be ready to come downhill and make the play. It is a lot different than a 3-4. Safeties (especially roll down) have to be ready to make the play at the line of scrimmage on outside runs and those are some of the best hits too! 👀 #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_JGill, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • CoachJTolbert Mar 1 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Trey And TE trips sets especially. #425chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:24 PM EST
    We read the mesh through the OL for Run/Pass Key. If pass we key #2 as normal. If run we also play CBR and tell him it's "shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, go." Big key to us is keep Run fit leverage/tackle the hip you're on. #425Chat
    In reply to @coachsmitty_43, @greek42e
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Used to have strictly on # 2 however was slow to get to run at times so now it’s eyes on QB to EMOL end man on LOS. Then find #2 if in read or man #425chat
    In reply to @coachsmitty_43
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Love it vs 11 pictures. Also like it with ball in MOF. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachJTolbert, @newdbcoach
  • CoachBush75 Mar 1 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Yes. Make sure the box is helping identify the TE so you don’t miss the call!!! #425chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach
  • coachdboucher Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Yes, but toying with different things, all depends on personnel and ability. Got some good stuff from @CoachGower at the @GlazierClinics in Tulsa last year. #425chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach, @CoachGower, @GlazierClinics
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Both. Teach as center shade then adjust #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • JerryGordonFB Mar 1 @ 9:28 PM EST
    We mix it up. We will slant outside from a 2i #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • JerryGordonFB Mar 1 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Yes we do all the time. Especially in passing situations #425Chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach
  • coachdboucher Mar 1 @ 9:32 PM EST
    We can do a couple of things, first we love the CoBRA phrase, for our OLBs, in our 2 high, the WS will fill downhill when he reads run. The DE has to play strong and try and force the ball horizontal to get the WS there. #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_JGill, @coachsmitty_43, @greek42e
  • CODY_GARDNER Mar 1 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Definitely a place for it. #425chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Solo is day 1 install. Will also play Macho (TCU Special), Cleo (Roll to C3), Rip/Liz 3 Match, Tango (Macho but FC play's 1/3s to help protect */Nickel. Lots of options. #425chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach, @CoachJTolbert
  • coachquaranto Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    No our base is two LBs in A gap, two 3-techs and two 5-techs. LBs have A unless I change their gap. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo
  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Those are great options. We install the same way. #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_JGill, @CoachJTolbert
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Preach it! And if you don't know, get depth. Depth = vision. Vision = info. Info = decision. #425Chat
    In reply to @greek42e, @coachsmitty_43
  • JerryGordonFB Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Ha I was going to say the nose and the Ws #425chat
    In reply to @CODY_GARDNER, @greek42e, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • JerryGordonFB Mar 1 @ 9:35 PM EST
    We had a great one the past 2 years. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachOrtiz1, @greek42e, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Coaches, does anyone use a double a gap package? Also, how do you spice up your basic pass rush games? #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:37 PM EST
    I think the best install is where players learn what technique's match what coverage. If they know a few techniques you. An mix and match the techniques to manipulate the coverage however you see fit that week. That way it's not "new" but it is different/multiple. #425Chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach, @CoachJTolbert
  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Exactly- 3 tech and WS. #425chat
    In reply to @greek42e, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • greek42e Mar 1 @ 9:38 PM EST
    I’ve always felt a great DE was most important front 6 Great ones can play zone read both give and keep. They can pass rush. They can play on a TE. I think a great DE does so much more for a D than a GreAT DT #425chat
    In reply to @JerryGordonFB, @CODY_GARDNER, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:39 PM EST
    That's the direction we are looking to go coach! Great point! #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_JGill, @CoachJTolbert
  • coachquaranto Mar 1 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Weak Saftey and LB opposite him to the Strong side. #425Chat
    In reply to @greek42e, @CoachKelleyAHS
  • JerryGordonFB Mar 1 @ 9:41 PM EST
    What did you like. #425Chat
    In reply to @coachdboucher, @newdbcoach, @CoachGower, @GlazierClinics
  • Coach_JGill Mar 1 @ 9:44 PM EST
    You bet. Makes it fun when you have options and answers! Let me know if I can help out in any way! #425Chat
    In reply to @newdbcoach, @CoachJTolbert
  • coachdboucher Mar 1 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Mix man with pattern match vs trips side, basically it's the same call, and the call/ check can hide where you are locked and where you are matching, confuses the 17yr old QB #425chat
    In reply to @JerryGordonFB, @newdbcoach, @CoachGower, @GlazierClinics
  • EduGladiators Mar 1 @ 9:53 PM EST
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  • newdbcoach Mar 1 @ 9:59 PM EST
    We use both, it really depends on the type of run we are getting. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachTaddeo