#mnlead Archive
A Twitter chat for leaders and learners. Sunday evenings at 7:00 CT.
Sunday May 15, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
#mnlead
! Thanks for joining! Please introduce yourself, share your role & where you are from. BTW: Team Iron Man, or Team Cap?
MathFlashcards
May 15 @ 8:00 PM EDT
My Bad
https://t.co/fV2TdosRAn
#edchatri
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https://t.co/DdI3k0wggK
PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Good evening,
#mnlead
, Mark here, elementary principal in MN. I'm with Team Iron Man!
https://t.co/B9EQq0nVuw
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Kory, Elementary Innovations T down in Byron, MN. Being 100% Norwegian I'm with
#TeamThor
;)
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:01 PM EDT
For the next hour my tweets will be dedicated to my own PD through
#mnlead
, a
@twitter
chat about education.
#iownmypd
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Danny Steele ... Principal in B'ham, AL.
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Hi All, Bret, Elementary Principal in Lakeville, MN. More of an Iron Man guy myself. Can I say I like them all? I dig X-Men more.
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JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Jenn Reichel, Dir of Teaching and Learning in Hastings. Go team!
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:02 PM EDT
@SteeleThoughts
Hey Danny! Great to have you back. Really enjoyed your ideas last time.
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Amy - elementary principal in MN - my boys say Team Cap. all the way!
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chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Chris, MS Principal in Minnesota. Every day before I head to work I suit up like Iron Man!
#invincible
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
@JennReichel
Hi Jenn! Great to see you. Hope you enjoyed the sunshine today.
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Hey
#mnlead
! Mark from So. St. Paul. 6th
#MNstudies
& 7th Am Hist. in St. Paul.
#CHCougars
Also, I stole this ---->
https://t.co/aREKIfGtkD
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Jim Smith, Assessment and Data, Twin Cities. Afraid to ask what Team Cap is?
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kelley_weiss
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Kelley in Maine and Team Cap all the way!
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@millardamy2
Hi Amy! Are you on a roll or what!? Keep the contributions to the
#twittersphere
going!
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BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Brad in Battle Lake joining
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ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Happy Syttende Mai on Tuesday! From Chaska/Edina, now CA, and of course
#TeamThor
Ja!
@korytellers
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PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@MrDataGuy
Captain America!
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JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Great day! Lots of flowers planted and we're opening the pool tomorrow!
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https://t.co/qRrTpebdgZ
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:03 PM EDT
@JennReichel
Hi Jenn! Great to see you. Hope you enjoyed the sunshine today.
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@chris_bussmann
The life of a Middle School principal!
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@MrDataGuy
Hey Jim. Capt. America. All the super hero movies are out this time of year.
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@BradLatzke
In Battle Lake? Welcome back Brad!
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Hi, Bret - Glad to be here....I learn so much from all of you!
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https://t.co/Plxr7IWyL1
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@millardamy2
Hi Amy! Are you on a roll or what!? Keep the contributions to the
#twittersphere
going!
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korytellers
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@ipapaverison
Yes! A very Happy Syttende Mai! Always fun!
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EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Crystal, Middle school AP in NC,
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Amy, tech integration coach in Austin, MN. Team Cap.
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MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@PrincipalFrench
Thanks, guess I am a Star Wars guy.
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chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Sometimes it's like herding cats in a rainstorm....but I LOVE it!
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https://t.co/RGJwnervhv
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@chris_bussmann
The life of a Middle School principal!
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bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:06 PM EDT
@EdLead670
Hi Crystal. Great to have you back at
#mnlead
. Welcome.
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:06 PM EDT
@amythuesen
Hi Amy! So fun getting to see people here that I have now met in person. Good to have you.
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PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:06 PM EDT
@MrDataGuy
I'm old school - Batman for me!
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JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Jessica McMahon, Prior Lake- Savage Schools I'm team Wonder Woman.
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MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Pattie 5th grade Milwaukee
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Q1 coming up! Check out the questions at
https://t.co/NTwx197lMx
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
.
@bretdom
Thanks! You too...one of the many reasons I enjoyed
#edcamptc
was getting to meet
#mnlead
folks IRL.
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
I teach next door to a guy that kind of like like Tony Stark!
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https://t.co/CE8UXhCk2F
txeduchat
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Less that 1 hour until
#txeduchat
with
@TechNinjaTodd
#mnlead
#iaedchat
#oklaed
#caedchat
#KidsDeserveIt
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Look at these awesome questions!
https://t.co/g2wCJnOWds
Thanks
@Clouducation_
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Q1: What are some things that make kids ashamed of themselves as learners?
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:08 PM EDT
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@MarkJWestpfahl
Whoa...that's a strong similarity!
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Great topic tonight!
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https://t.co/xswneMQcCz
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Look at these awesome questions!
https://t.co/g2wCJnOWds
Thanks
@Clouducation_
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A1: Not being able to complete work on time, family or problems getting in the way of school, poor grades.
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korytellers
May 15 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1 Themselves, peers, teachers, parents.
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PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1) I think back to my own learning as an adult or child. I'm ashamed to look silly or wrong, being laughed at or made fun of.
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BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1 Not having the right answer and being punished for it. Traditional grades will do that to them.
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JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: The mindset we've come to accept that right answers are correct and wrong answers are bad
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1
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Not being able to read as fast as others. Not feeling confident that they can share in front of peers.
https://t.co/WVBNOUOjiW
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Q1: What are some things that make kids ashamed of themselves as learners?
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MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1) not getting something as quickly as others & making a mistake publicly are big ones in 5th
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SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: Feeling inadequate, unacceptable, and inferior are devastating emotions for students.
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MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: Test scores when they are on a downward trajectory. Emotionally loaded and shameful.
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
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@BradLatzke
Agreed. When I was previewing questions today I couldn't help but think about the damage our grading system can do.
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JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1. When they don't live up to expectations...and have a fixed mindset?
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ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1
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Shame in front of others is one of the most powerful emotions we have (as a writer, I have to use it); Ts need to phrase w/care.
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1: Imagine if your evaluation from your bldg. principal showed this. How would you feel? How about Ss?
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https://t.co/kr0Rt3XobY
PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
@SteeleThoughts
And for adults!
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https://t.co/Kf8NOzahht
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: Feeling inadequate, unacceptable, and inferior are devastating emotions for students.
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
Feeling inferior...like they should already know everything about what they are learning.
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https://t.co/Tgy1QEnjgk
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Q1: What are some things that make kids ashamed of themselves as learners?
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writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1: being labeled as dumb.
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1.1 When they don’t have the pre-requisite skills to effectively participate in the learning activity.
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1
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it's always tough to make yourself vulnerable in front of your classmates, coworkers, etc.
@PrincipalFrench
byrnedout42
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
feedback on writing not tied to the current lesson.
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#toomuchredink
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1 Being pulled out of their regular classroom to have to go to a different classroom for reading or math.
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kelley_weiss
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1 feeling like they are not as able to be as successful as their peers. Like the will disappoint their Ts
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
This is huge....and applies to elementary, middle school, and high school students!
#mnlead
https://t.co/mvn4qO1zvk
PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1) I think back to my own learning as an adult or child. I'm ashamed to look silly or wrong, being laughed at or made fun of.
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A1.2 When we, as adults, highlight that Ss deficits rather than their strengths.
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MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
We do STAR testing and scores fluctuate wildly. It's hard for Ss to feel good about themselves.
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https://t.co/2KwHmQRtTM
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: Test scores when they are on a downward trajectory. Emotionally loaded and shameful.
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MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@JennReichel
Is this something that is a part of them or has failure created a fixed mindset.
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chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
That better not be real.
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https://t.co/jU6elUMypd
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A1: I also think many learners are ashamed of needing more time- not getting it right away
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EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
Please tell me that's not a real flyer/newsletter
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
Wow. Simply.... wow. :(
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https://t.co/iTmfvcYZtd
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
This is so wrong on so many levels.
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#misplacedpriorities
https://t.co/9vjPsYILP0
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
Great analogy...and so true! Definitely does not empower or inspire!
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https://t.co/VhQPLfNEo5
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1: Imagine if your evaluation from your bldg. principal showed this. How would you feel? How about Ss?
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https://t.co/kr0Rt3XobY
ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A1/2
#mnlead
Yes! Ts can model being vulnerable & error-prone (not diff for me haha!) good for Ss to see.
@MarkJWestpfahl
@PrincipalFrench
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
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A1: I felt ashamed to be in the low math group. They were coded, but everyone knew the Bears were dumb at math. First Grade.
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
@EdLead670
@Clouducation_
From FB friends I know that a HS in NJ was doing something like last year for Ss with PARCC tests.
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
I can almost hear the hearts dropping.
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https://t.co/Hr8JWWG9pQ
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
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A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
I echo what the others said here. Wow...Painful to think of the kids who don't make it. Where do they go?
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https://t.co/R732MjuN2p
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Good q! I think experiences drive mindset and those with fixed look at hiccups as failure.
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https://t.co/Jg2W1fr3c3
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@JennReichel
Is this something that is a part of them or has failure created a fixed mindset.
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EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
@amythuesen
I can hear the phones ringing off the hook in the office for the principal!
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MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
reading that makes me really angry
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korytellers
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
@EdLead670
@Clouducation_
They were giving out gift cards to Ss who took the test/did well (a lot of families were opting out)
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:14 PM EDT
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@EdLead670
As they should be in this case!
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
And look at deficits as a problem rather than an opportunity to learn, build skills, and grow.
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https://t.co/VJz5OHHlA5
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A1.2 When we, as adults, highlight that Ss deficits rather than their strengths.
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chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
I was a blackbird in reading. My small group work was in a custodial closet in Sioux Falls.
#nojoke
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https://t.co/M97N9MVmYX
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:13 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1: I felt ashamed to be in the low math group. They were coded, but everyone knew the Bears were dumb at math. First Grade.
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
Seriously?? We are setting up kids as winners or losers in the 2nd grade. Seriously?? Tell me its not true.
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PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@chris_bussmann
I've seen that cartoon!
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Most depressing thing I've seen in a long time. :(
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@Clouducation_
https://t.co/caeqB64J4B
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A1 What about "When they get the answer wrong." Is it learning or WRONG? There can be shame in that word.
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:16 PM EDT
#mnlead
That flyer, posted by a parent to a testing opt-out page on FB, is the impetus for this discussion. I believe it to be a real thing.
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:16 PM EDT
@chris_bussmann
I can honestly say that at my elem. school the special ed kids were down by the boiler room in the basement!
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:16 PM EDT
.
@chris_bussmann
I bet that really inspired your continued improvement.
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:16 PM EDT
Makes my heart sad.
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https://t.co/9KS7QvYRSn
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:11 PM EDT
#mnlead
A1:
https://t.co/ekYzKGESR9
BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:16 PM EDT
It's still a pretty traditional school world out there.
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q2 on the way
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ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
A1/2 Flyer = totally opposite of Coach Wooden's grt philosophy: We are a team. How can flyer be in kids' best interests?
@bretdom
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
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DrMerriRajaniem
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
I know Ss that would give up and not even try due to academic frustration
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MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@JennReichel
I agree with you but if we as educators are in charge of those experiences I am troubled. Should be building hope.
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chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
I missed 1/2 my recess too! I am actually a great reader, but after moving 2x in 2 yrs I didnt care.
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https://t.co/ib2redGNGg
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:16 PM EDT
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@chris_bussmann
I bet that really inspired your continued improvement.
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korytellers
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
@TheTattooedProf
I'm going to remember to go and look back at your TL after
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Your tweets have me curious. :)
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2: The concept of F for fail makes students scared of failing instead of seeing it as an opportunity for improvement.
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
This entire discussion demonstrate educators MUST have empathy & be prolific relationship builders. W/o these, everything is futile.
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PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2) Ability grouping. Public reading or recording of grades.
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chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2: This.
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https://t.co/QYpv2eI8yV
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Totally agree! Fortunately, I think we have good teachers working diligently to develop growth mindsets!
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https://t.co/tWHEHZZ8mS
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@JennReichel
I agree with you but if we as educators are in charge of those experiences I am troubled. Should be building hope.
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millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Vital to weave a growth mindset into every fiber in your building...wrong turns into an opportunity to grow!
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https://t.co/Kc0Xhi5Kx8
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A1 What about "When they get the answer wrong." Is it learning or WRONG? There can be shame in that word.
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PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Ouch!
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https://t.co/gOAPjBKWwX
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2: This.
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https://t.co/QYpv2eI8yV
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Theis
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discussion demonstrates educators MUST have empathy & be prolific relationship builders. W/o these, everything is futile.
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:19 PM EDT
A2: Grades, honor roll, grading periods, GPS, celebrations based on arbitrary mark off academic success
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ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2
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Publishing/posting ALL scores, etc. From English Journal, the Green Book philosophy is awesome for recognizing even smidgins w +
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 How about Read Alouds popcorn style? If you aren't a strong reader, no matter the grade, you are identified & shamed.
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DrMerriRajaniem
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
@MarkJWestpfahl
@Clouducation_
Where are
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SUPERHEROES??? IronMan, Capt America, Thor, we need you
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
@cloud
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2: I am concerned anytime a student loses free time or recess time to get remediation. Will always seem like punishment.
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korytellers
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 Honestly I think teachers are the ones who make or break the structures for Ss to feel shame. Goes back to relationships.+
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clmaxa
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
Grades are an issue. They tell Ss so much. You have an A or an F.
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https://t.co/RKv1kn4XvD
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
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MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2) the pressure to get the highest test scores bc they share their numbers (which leads to frustration and fixed mindset)
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
And thanks
@mahillmann
:) it was a tremendous experience I wish all teachers could be a part of!
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https://t.co/tcOidQvySa
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2: An assessment system that is geared towards passing the state test rather than supporting learning.
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
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@bretdom
I was a good reader but I felt so badly for my fellow students during this activity. I never used it as an ELA teacher.
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korytellers
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
+with strong relationships in place, no Ss should ever feel shame with their learning. Teachers have the power to make sure of this.
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SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
It is very efficient to have students grade each other's papers, but it can be embarrassing for students.
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https://t.co/fQPpDG8lA8
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
@cloud
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Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
Yep. That's a big problem. Changes the motivation for all stakeholders.
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https://t.co/RKVYuiFZLp
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2: An assessment system that is geared towards passing the state test rather than supporting learning.
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JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2: Letting the "gifted kids" have all the amazing learning opportunities, while the others kids get worksheets.
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BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2 Posting test scores on wall, standing in a corner. I could go on with my own ms experiences. Sure these don't happen now, right?
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
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@Clouducation_
Me too...and so much learning happens during those times.
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MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
@mahillmann
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
@ipapaverison
@PrincipalFrench
I'll model when I'm wrong, or screw up. You're right - it's important for Ss to see us mess up!
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writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
A2.2 Starting to realize some well intentioned intervention may be shaming in nature
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MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
And these are the Ss that usually need recess the most!
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https://t.co/Ad8Bt25CTN
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2: I am concerned anytime a student loses free time or recess time to get remediation. Will always seem like punishment.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
A2 Breakdown of relationships. Shame comes when a T doesn't honor an area where a S needs help ie LD, ADHD, lack of food, etc.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
I agree-the culture created in your classroom and the relationships you build set the stage for risk taking.
#mnlead
https://t.co/kAn6NTZjRj
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 Honestly I think teachers are the ones who make or break the structures for Ss to feel shame. Goes back to relationships.+
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Sometimes I think the opposite happens as well. Both are wrong.
#mnlead
https://t.co/PApGPALBxE
JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2: Letting the "gifted kids" have all the amazing learning opportunities, while the others kids get worksheets.
#mnlead
Amy_MacCrindle
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2: Grades, non flexible groups, projects that require certain supplies or assume backgrounds
#mnlead
https://t.co/8Fb5aKOLQT
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
@fleetssara
@Clouducation_
you know these discussions take place in many schools. It's heartbreaking & demoralizing.
#mnlead
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2.1: That is why I love the power of "YET". Everyone of us are not quite there "yet" for one thing or another. Like our Ss.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
@korytellers
@JK_McMahon
It's the "If you finish early you get to... for fun." While the others struggle to get it done w/o HW.
#mnlead
LauraGWillis
May 15 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A2: Anytime Ss' achievement, progress, or completion (homework) is broadcast publicly are practices that should end immediately.
#mnlead
ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A2
#mnlead
Reward gems: idea that one sentence could be a gem was a powerful motivator to revise and to set their "voices" free in writing.
DrMerriRajaniem
May 15 @ 8:24 PM EDT
FAIL (First Attempt in Learning) NO (Next Opportunity), END (End Never Dies)
#mnlead
https://t.co/f5kLb71Oro
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A2. Practice that create a culture of fear and fixed mindedness.
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A2: I think even positive attention given to high flyers compared to stern demeanor to struggling learners is plenty to create shame
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A2 How about the less overt things? Low expectations based on demographics or making excuses for not giving Ss our best effort?
#mnlead
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
I love the project/supply component. All too often we are well intentioned, but assume many things.
#mnlead
https://t.co/5vtVbkjerZ
Amy_MacCrindle
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2: Grades, non flexible groups, projects that require certain supplies or assume backgrounds
#mnlead
https://t.co/8Fb5aKOLQT
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
#mnlead
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
How do we provide celebration of learning without also bringing shame to some?
#mnlead
JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
@korytellers
Yes! I think it skips over the kids in the middle who maybe never get innovative learning experiences.
#mnlead
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A2:not being able to redo/retake assessments. There's something intense there-power struggle, calendar as diety, "learning's closed"
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
EVERYONE should have this work 6ft tall on their wall. The most powerful word in learning!
#mnlead
https://t.co/75XYDpl6cv
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2.1: That is why I love the power of "YET". Everyone of us are not quite there "yet" for one thing or another. Like our Ss.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A2 One of my biggest pet peeves. Standardized testing that ties Ss to opportunities/or lack their of.
#mnlead
https://t.co/X1kxHIKSdV
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2: An assessment system that is geared towards passing the state test rather than supporting learning.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
This last one is especially important and often overlooked. Not all students can provide needed supplies.
#mnlead
https://t.co/e2Bbwt2puM
Amy_MacCrindle
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2: Grades, non flexible groups, projects that require certain supplies or assume backgrounds
#mnlead
https://t.co/8Fb5aKOLQT
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Q2: Are there practices or structures in edu that tend to lead Ss to feel shame?
#mnlead
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A2: If the teacher doesn't handle correctly, having Ss work problems at the board can be very embarrassing.
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
@JK_McMahon
Absolutely! We need to make ALL students get those innovative learning experiences!
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:26 PM EDT
@writeonwallace
This is a fair question. Does the ‘praise in public’ and ‘constructive feedback’ in private analogy work here?
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:26 PM EDT
@writeonwallace
Differentiate what we celebrate. Does everyone have the same goal or can we find the "special" moment for each?
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Q3 is suiting up!
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Ts need to let Ss be themselves and love them wherever they are at-Ss can tell who cares and who doesn't...
#mnlead
https://t.co/cr0CcJTBRZ
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:22 PM EDT
A2 Breakdown of relationships. Shame comes when a T doesn't honor an area where a S needs help ie LD, ADHD, lack of food, etc.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A2
#mnlead
& teachers ALSO feel ashamed during evals if they didn't have every voice speak in a lesson.
#mnlead
https://t.co/IHdlbaWNco
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 How about Read Alouds popcorn style? If you aren't a strong reader, no matter the grade, you are identified & shamed.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A2
#mnlead
& teachers ALSO feel ashamed during evals if they didn't have every voice speak in a lesson.
#mnlead
https://t.co/IHdlbaWNco
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 How about Read Alouds popcorn style? If you aren't a strong reader, no matter the grade, you are identified & shamed.
#mnlead
ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:27 PM EDT
#mnlead
Creating a "team" culture & celebrating each small victory; takes care & empathy & deft humor
@writeonwallace
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:27 PM EDT
I have used the power of "yet" with my staff as well...it is so powerful and applies to everyone...
#mnlead
https://t.co/ujBF8lGNkN
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2.1: That is why I love the power of "YET". Everyone of us are not quite there "yet" for one thing or another. Like our Ss.
#mnlead
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A2: I think we need to create a culture where struggle is accepted and embraced rather than wipe out public/visible learning
#mnlead
JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
#mnlead
https://t.co/iTj2rzTfqh
Pompeiana79
May 15 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@writeonwallace
@JK_McMahon
but being wrong is necessary
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
@mahillmann
We should always reflect on how we might do this. Poverty is a great predictor of academic failure. We can change this.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A good solution: individual white boards for Ss. They can still do the work and a T can view w/o publicity.
#mnlead
https://t.co/icIiQVkvEF
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A2: If the teacher doesn't handle correctly, having Ss work problems at the board can be very embarrassing.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A2 My district doesn't give "F" anymore. We go A, B, C, D.... and N. Like "N" is any "better"
#mnlead
https://t.co/30JNc0MKfz
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2: The concept of F for fail makes students scared of failing instead of seeing it as an opportunity for improvement.
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
Q3: What is the impact on the learner when they feel shame about their work?
#mnlead
ipapaverison
May 15 @ 8:29 PM EDT
Dang,
#mnlead
, must run, but will be happy to email Green Book idea & Open Discussion artcles from English Journal: no shamefor Ss, promise!
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:29 PM EDT
@MarkJWestpfahl
Hmm....what was the rationale for N? Just to get rid of F?
#mnlead
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:29 PM EDT
@bretdom
And yet avoid the devalued everyone gets a trophy culture
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:29 PM EDT
A2 Education is a journey of failure that leads to success. Ts need to provide context on that journey.
#mnlead
https://t.co/eVUz1xUVpq
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A2: I think we need to create a culture where struggle is accepted and embraced rather than wipe out public/visible learning
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3. That's a loaded question!
#mnlead
jwalkup
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@mahillmann
Use clear plastic sheet covers with cardstock inserted. Cheaper. You can also insert graph paper, graphic organizers
#mnlead
PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3) Shut down; negative self talk; focus on what was criticized rather than positives.
#mnlead
JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3: Shutting down. Not engaging or trying.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3 They stop working. If I feel bad about my work, does it really matter anyway?
#mnlead
Amy_MacCrindle
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3: Learning doesn't occur. Frustration, anxiety, self doubt.
#mnlead
https://t.co/Ixn2fRHjf8
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
Q3: What is the impact on the learner when they feel shame about their work?
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3 I've seen that impact start in kindergarten, extremely hard to make that shame go away once it's there.
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
My son's school will give a 0 for a missing test/project. Tanks a kid's grade.
#mnlead
https://t.co/CfeuZ2v90l
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A2 My district doesn't give "F" anymore. We go A, B, C, D.... and N. Like "N" is any "better"
#mnlead
https://t.co/30JNc0MKfz
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2: The concept of F for fail makes students scared of failing instead of seeing it as an opportunity for improvement.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
@writeonwallace
Feedback is an accelerator for S learning. It isn’t what you say, it’s how you say it, I suppose.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3: They are likely to lose the desire to try, school starts to feel confining to them. Go from loving school to hating it.
#mnlead
sara_plsas
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3: avoidance!
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@chris_bussmann
said it well about the moves. You just stop caring if you get shamed repeatedly.
#mnlead
DrMerriRajaniem
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3. To struggling Ss, it's better to NOT try than fail in front of their peers and to feel shamed
#mnlead
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
This is key to reducing shame
#mnlead
https://t.co/8URyMiV78k
Pompeiana79
May 15 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@writeonwallace
@JK_McMahon
but being wrong is necessary
kelley_weiss
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
It is a horrible practice and ineffective for reading instruction
#mnlead
https://t.co/XjCaHqXpa2
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 How about Read Alouds popcorn style? If you aren't a strong reader, no matter the grade, you are identified & shamed.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@jwalkup
Great suggestion!
#mnlead
byrnedout42
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
#mnlead
connection between the assessment and real life grows cloudy, motivation and engagement suffer. Tools like google 1/2
PrincipalFrench
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A3) Adults react in similar ways. Even if there was much positive, we will focus on the criticisms, even if positives outweigh.
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
Look at
@jwalkup
sharing a very helpful tip for the classroom!
#WhoopWhoop
:)
#mnlead
https://t.co/M4Fdee1mHb
jwalkup
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@mahillmann
Use clear plastic sheet covers with cardstock inserted. Cheaper. You can also insert graph paper, graphic organizers
#mnlead
sara_plsas
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@kelley_weiss
yet, I remember it well.
#mnlead
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A3. Compliance without risk-taking and joy.
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@MoralesPattie
I have to ask...is it fair for a S to receive a higher grade than a 0 if they didn't complete the project- others did?
#mnlead
byrnedout42
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
#mnlead
replace skill of finding and evaluating information independently 2/2
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@writeonwallace
That's the tricky part. We have some S's 2 grade levels lower in Reading. We have to find their celebration point.
#mnlead
jwalkup
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@korytellers
... instead of the usual crap spewing from his keyboard! :)
#mnlead
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A3. In MS we call it being on Front Street. No one wants to be there so every reason to avoid it comes out.
#mnlead
https://t.co/ZFQ5hgXjTb
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
Q3: What is the impact on the learner when they feel shame about their work?
@cloudu
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
@MarkJWestpfahl
Makes sense at first,but like taking an old building and trying 2 fix facade while walls r crumbling.
#mnlead
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A3:when I felt ashamed for something I knew was wrong, I fixed it. When I've been shamed for honest missteps, trust=damaged.
#mnlead
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
How you say it! Yes. Grades often say nothing about learning or nothing specific
#mnlead
https://t.co/M4LyXQ3vRY
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
@writeonwallace
Feedback is an accelerator for S learning. It isn’t what you say, it’s how you say it, I suppose.
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A3: My son for a very long time (1st-3rd grade) was ashamed to not be able to read, and it impacted EVERY ASPECT of home and school.
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@jwalkup
You know I love everything you tweet, John! ;)
#mnlead
GZittergruen
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A-3: Significant delays in growth and motivation for learning!
#mnlead
clmaxa
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
I look forward to the day when we state progress in terms of reality. Beginning or becoming expert.
#mnlead
https://t.co/spYrEf27CW
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A2 My district doesn't give "F" anymore. We go A, B, C, D.... and N. Like "N" is any "better"
#mnlead
https://t.co/30JNc0MKfz
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2: The concept of F for fail makes students scared of failing instead of seeing it as an opportunity for improvement.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
YES! I see a lot of students who won't even attempt because then they can say they didn't fail.
#mnlead
https://t.co/PZm4S3o1ZJ
DrMerriRajaniem
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3. To struggling Ss, it's better to NOT try than fail in front of their peers and to feel shamed
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3 (Possibly) irreparable long-term damage in confidence.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
I have done my BEST work when I felt someone believed in me-Ss that feel shame don't believe in themselves.
#mnlead
https://t.co/F9THqRDGFo
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:28 PM EDT
Q3: What is the impact on the learner when they feel shame about their work?
#mnlead
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3: Confidence is the sweet spot between arrogance and despair to paraphrase
@TomSchimmer
Schools must build hope, banish despair
#mnlead
kelley_weiss
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3 They shut down and then become disruptive to learning. Instead of learning Ss feel bad about themselves and deemed a problem
#mnlead
jwalkup
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
@korytellers
Not even my Mom likes more than half the stuff I tweet.
#mnlead
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3: I've seen Ts give honest, blunt, "tough love" feedback to Ss, but when wrapped in love and belief in the student, it's received.
#mnlead
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3: Shame can cause learner to avoid risks necessary for further learning & growth
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
I am SO chuckling right now! :)
#mnlead
https://t.co/pIR3BVxkDY
jwalkup
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
@korytellers
Not even my Mom likes more than half the stuff I tweet.
#mnlead
BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
A3 Many students will quit trying if negative attention is attached to their efforts. Really inexcusable behavior by adults.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
A3 The shame turns into "I'm not good enough so why keep up the effort? You don't think I can do this."
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Blech. So boring!
#mnlead
https://t.co/Lvexi5sLTG
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A3. Compliance without risk-taking and joy.
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
@EdLead670
but why a 0? Was the standard assessed? If you're measuring proficiency, what does 0 mean?
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Goes to the standards based grading angle. Tougher to tank a course w/1 missing assignment in SBG.
#mnlead
@EdLead670
@MoralesPattie
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:35 PM EDT
Sorry to leave early, but not ashamed - need full attention to daughter's 3on3 game
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:35 PM EDT
A3 All of our responses remind us that everything, every little thing we do with our Ss affect them somehow. Make a difference.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:35 PM EDT
They feel as if their voice doesn't matter-All Ss should feel they are a vital part of the classroom!
#mnlead
https://t.co/XzL91U9rNk
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3 They stop working. If I feel bad about my work, does it really matter anyway?
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:35 PM EDT
@EdLead670
@MoralesPattie
Consider the jump from 0-50 as opposed to 50-60...that doesn't seem like fair math either, though.
#mnlead
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:35 PM EDT
A3: if those "tough love" speeches don't include "why" & "I care about & believe in you", it's just yelly.
#mnlead
https://t.co/TzXsNYSC27
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
A3: For students to grow, they have to get outside their comfort zone. Shame causes students to retreat.
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
@MoralesPattie
I would say if the assignment wasn't completed and was a measure of proficiency, how will the T know if S has it?
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
Narrative feedback is powerful. Done well it is rocket fuel for learning. Too many don’t do this well…yet
#mnlead
https://t.co/vTuqD6SKWm
writeonwallace
May 15 @ 8:32 PM EDT
How you say it! Yes. Grades often say nothing about learning or nothing specific
#mnlead
https://t.co/M4LyXQ3vRY
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
@writeonwallace
Feedback is an accelerator for S learning. It isn’t what you say, it’s how you say it, I suppose.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
@kelley_weiss
Amen! I could not agree with you more.
#conferring
#readtoself
#readtoothers
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:37 PM EDT
Cruising right along! Q4 is coming up!
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
We are most vulnerable outside our comfort zones. We need to be skillful in helping Ss navigate this…
#mnlead
https://t.co/Jl3T7UA3UX
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
A3: For students to grow, they have to get outside their comfort zone. Shame causes students to retreat.
#mnlead
goguardian
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
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MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A3
#mnlead
I hear this from Ss from time to time. It's heartbreaking. Tells me *I'M* not doing it right. Not them.
https://t.co/B22YpA8ShT
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:34 PM EDT
A3 The shame turns into "I'm not good enough so why keep up the effort? You don't think I can do this."
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
Which is why percentages and Standards based grading don't mix.
#mnlead
https://t.co/qlHMS0bnun
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:35 PM EDT
@EdLead670
@MoralesPattie
Consider the jump from 0-50 as opposed to 50-60...that doesn't seem like fair math either, though.
#mnlead
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
@EdLead670
@MoralesPattie
If the assignment was critical learning, and it show mastery, must be completed, if not critical why given?
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A3
#mnlead
goes back to relationship & continual feedback/chances. If tough love only once, hard for Ss believe
https://t.co/CKkIJgX1v1
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3: I've seen Ts give honest, blunt, "tough love" feedback to Ss, but when wrapped in love and belief in the student, it's received.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
And one way we can do that is to be outside of OUR own comfort zone. In front of them.
#mnlead
https://t.co/uPlHaX7bmz
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
We are most vulnerable outside our comfort zones. We need to be skillful in helping Ss navigate this…
#mnlead
https://t.co/Jl3T7UA3UX
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
A3: For students to grow, they have to get outside their comfort zone. Shame causes students to retreat.
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
#mnlead
Kids don't mind hearing "that attempt wasn't there yet. Keep going" They do mind hearing "You did poorly" Words matter.
kelley_weiss
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@bretdom
I have found symphony reading is a great way to teach and build confidence
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Q4: What policies or changes have helped to diminish shaming of students?
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Students need to be "seen", cared about, and shown compassion....it's the foundation of learning.
#mnlead
https://t.co/gvilMppdTo
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Honest feedback is not shameful by default. The relationship the precedes it is critical for > reception.
#mnlead
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SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:33 PM EDT
A3: I've seen Ts give honest, blunt, "tough love" feedback to Ss, but when wrapped in love and belief in the student, it's received.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Model, model, model! So important!
#mnlead
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
And one way we can do that is to be outside of OUR own comfort zone. In front of them.
#mnlead
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:38 PM EDT
We are most vulnerable outside our comfort zones. We need to be skillful in helping Ss navigate this…
#mnlead
https://t.co/Jl3T7UA3UX
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:36 PM EDT
A3: For students to grow, they have to get outside their comfort zone. Shame causes students to retreat.
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@EdLead670
I agree, but then leave the standard blank until they show their level of proficiency? This is the big debate I hear
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@MoralesPattie
@EdLead670
+ it takes me potentially 5 times longer 2 recover from that zero than 2 recover from a D (60). Daunting.
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:41 PM EDT
True.
@amythuesen
@MoralesPattie
#mnlead
JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:41 PM EDT
A4: Student response systems allow all student voices to be heard, without others knowing who answered. Tech can be an equalizer.
#mnlead
BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A4 Traditional grades can significantly diminish many students desire to learn.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A4 Standards-based grading. We can monitor "progress" rather than getting a "grade." Give other ways of showing what you know.
#mnlead
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:42 PM EDT
If we base all grade bands off 10% increments, then a 60% gap for failing is hard to overcome.
#mnlead
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amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@MoralesPattie
@EdLead670
+ it takes me potentially 5 times longer 2 recover from that zero than 2 recover from a D (60). Daunting.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A4
#mnlead
I try 2 have more 1:1 convos when I sense something is off. I reiterate to Ss that they CAN come to me
https://t.co/Fz0m0KYZPx
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Q4: What policies or changes have helped to diminish shaming of students?
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4 That relationships are important. It's now OK for Ts to get to know our Ss and build upon those relationships.
#mnlead
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4: Formative use of assessment. Hattie ranks it #1 as a classroom tool, Changes the learning trajectory, builds hope.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4: The move towards standards based grading. Makerspaces that encourage failure as part of learning.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4 Approaches like
@responsiveclass
focus on strategies for productive, non-judgmental feedback. Our language matters!
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
You need to be able 2 back up the "you CAN come to me" talk by following through and following up more than once. A4
#mnlead
@Clouducation_
ehfowler7
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Q4: shift in view of teacher as facilitator of learning rather than as holder of all knowledge=more student voice
#mnlead
BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
A4 School leaders have responsibility for creating school cultures where shaming is not tolerated.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
.
@chris_bussmann
I remember the very moment this hit me as a teacher. I changed scale the next day and retrofitted.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
And when we frame formative assessments as opportunities to learn, helps Ss in all aspects.
#mnlead
https://t.co/v9hlwb0aZt
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4: Formative use of assessment. Hattie ranks it #1 as a classroom tool, Changes the learning trajectory, builds hope.
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Q4: What policies or changes have helped to diminish shaming of students?
@cloud
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Q5: What can be done to turn the potential for shame into a potential for joy in education?
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@MrDataGuy
@EdLead670
should 1 assignment/test be the end all for a standard? And should sb grades be avgd for a class grade?
#mnlead
The_app_guide
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
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SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A5: I truly believe (w/ strong relationships ) standards based grading can be an ally, coupled w/ equitable grading practices.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A4) Growth mindset!
#mnlead
https://t.co/J6ehao80LS
GZittergruen
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A-4: the reauthorization of ESEA takes the punitive impacts off of school buildings and children!
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A5 Celebrating the learning and the paths to get information. Getting over getting it "right." Let's talk abt what got you here.
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A5 We really need to focus on Ss growth, no matter how big or small it is. Growth is growth. Setting goals and achieving them.
#mnlead
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A4: We have workedto cultivate empathy within the staff. When Tt can identify with the Ss, they are less likely to embarrass.
#mnlead
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A5. Model that learning is productive struggle and the joy can come from incremental progress.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A5 Remind ourselves learning is a journey that transcends your grade level & current proficiency status. Focus on big picture.
#mnlead
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
@mahillmann
Yes, Yes, Yes opportunities that are actionable. Formative use is not formative without an active response.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
I so agree. One of the reasons I love portfolios!
#mnlead
https://t.co/aHVnpcDbrx
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A5 We really need to focus on Ss growth, no matter how big or small it is. Growth is growth. Setting goals and achieving them.
#mnlead
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A4: We preach with Tt that "Not only can you treat a Ss differently based on what you know, but you ought to."
#relationship
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:47 PM EDT
Opportunities for Ss to learn....and opportunities for Ts to better understand Ss and where they are at...
#mnlead
https://t.co/wuObDldYsV
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:44 PM EDT
And when we frame formative assessments as opportunities to learn, helps Ss in all aspects.
#mnlead
https://t.co/v9hlwb0aZt
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4: Formative use of assessment. Hattie ranks it #1 as a classroom tool, Changes the learning trajectory, builds hope.
#mnlead
curleygirl84
May 15 @ 8:47 PM EDT
#mnlead
Many classrooms in my district display a behavior clipchart. Talk abt a public shaming!Can cause tears & often anti-productive. :(
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:47 PM EDT
I love
@plickers
for this! They can see if they got the right answer without indiv answers shown
#mnlead
https://t.co/KpX37qjkvZ
JK_McMahon
May 15 @ 8:41 PM EDT
A4: Student response systems allow all student voices to be heard, without others knowing who answered. Tech can be an equalizer.
#mnlead
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A5: The best teachers figure out little ways for students to have success. Success is magical for motivation.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A5: Show that failure is a natural and necessary part of the learning process. Celebrate the flops!
#mnlead
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A5: clarity re: proficiency, intentionality w/ benchmarks, exemplars, AND an understanding we play to strengths & attack weaknesses.
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:48 PM EDT
A5. Accentuate the positive. Highlight the strengths. All Ss are good at something. FInd it and let them know they're great
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:48 PM EDT
A4
#mnlead
! It's time consuming, but written feedback that acknowledges their strengths is necessary.
https://t.co/meUlfSkPFg
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:43 PM EDT
A4 Approaches like
@responsiveclass
focus on strategies for productive, non-judgmental feedback. Our language matters!
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@EdLead670
that's a really good question, and one that's being hotly debated. I wish I had an answer!
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@curleygirl84
Ughhh. Look at what color you are on.Do you want to be in the red?The shaming of that is painful. I remember it well.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@bretdom
@curleygirl84
Oh yeah...the stoplights on every desk. So painful.
#mnlead
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@MoralesPattie
@EdLead670
One test should Never the end. Good formative practice gives evidence of proficiency.
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
A5 Go into a kindergarten classroom and take notes. Those teachers know how to make students have joy in their learning.
#mnlead
MrsMurat
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@korytellers
and we need to stop comparing a Ss chapter 1 to another Ss chapter 2.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
Go 1 step further though. Challenge Ss, (not just those who are struggling) by posing Qs in feedback
#mnlead
@mahillmann
@responsiveclass
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
As a teacher, setting goals with my Ss completely changed how invested my Ss were - great conversations!
#mnlead
https://t.co/zrBHXyaDmJ
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A5 We really need to focus on Ss growth, no matter how big or small it is. Growth is growth. Setting goals and achieving them.
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@amythuesen
So true. We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but we have potential to grow each time we flop and learn from it.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:50 PM EDT
Love this!
#mnlead
https://t.co/5LXuN7jsC0
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A4: We preach with Tt that "Not only can you treat a Ss differently based on what you know, but you ought to."
#relationship
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:50 PM EDT
YES!
#mnlead
https://t.co/1Zk5PLg83O
MrsMurat
May 15 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@korytellers
and we need to stop comparing a Ss chapter 1 to another Ss chapter 2.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:50 PM EDT
.
@EdLead670
We celebrated teacher flops at a PD session last week. Some Ts were so surprised but overall the Ts loved the idea.
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:50 PM EDT
A4/5) focused feedback. When Ss see too much at once they shutdown. Celebrate successes and improvement over perfection
#mnlead
GZittergruen
May 15 @ 8:51 PM EDT
A/5: We need to take shame totally out of the equation and joy will abound!
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:51 PM EDT
A5: This isn't everyone gets a medal. This is everyone has a path to success.
#mnlead
.
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:51 PM EDT
@MrsMurat
I'd even go as far as saying we need to stop comparing school to school. We are all unique.
#mnlead
ehfowler7
May 15 @ 8:51 PM EDT
@amythuesen
@EdLead670
fail forward!
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:51 PM EDT
Q6: How is mindset a key factor in battling shame in education?
#mnlead
EdLead670
May 15 @ 8:52 PM EDT
@amythuesen
I learned the most as a T when I had a lesson that flopped. I reflected and improved because I wanted to do better
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A6 I think mindset, relationships, feedback, differentiation, empowerment, etc are all ways to eliminate shame from our schools.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A6 Growth mindset isn't a key. It is THE key.
#mnlead
kelley_weiss
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A5 Set growth goals for Ss and focus on growth from baseline.
#mnlead
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A6) knowing it's ok to not be there "yet" but having the ability to set a goal to get there.
#mnlead
BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A6 As we live in an imperfect world where mistakes happen often, growth mindset is essential in education and life.
#mnlead
SPPS_Richardson
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A6:
#growthmindset
convo must be daily. Constant examples, reminders that 'failure ain't fatal' & goal setting- no one has arrived!
#mnlead
chris_bussmann
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A6: Failure and Success both happen in the same amount of time....a moment. It's what you do inspire Ss next that builds character.
#mnlead
MrsMurat
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
@Rrrerin2go
and it's even better if you can ask Qs so Ss can identify what the problem is.
#mnlead
korytellers
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A6 ;)
#mnlead
https://t.co/n0IlmMIaYE
SteeleThoughts
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
The right mindset allows us to be proactive in cultivating positive relationships and experiences with ss.
#mnlead
https://t.co/sHBCY9JxGR
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:51 PM EDT
Q6: How is mindset a key factor in battling shame in education?
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
Yes!!
#mnlead
https://t.co/q60accwkNp
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:53 PM EDT
A6 Growth mindset isn't a key. It is THE key.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A6: We have to purposely teach and model
#growthmindset
to undo damage of past shaming.
#mnlead
millardamy2
May 15 @ 8:55 PM EDT
A6) Innovative learning...growth mindset...and learning built on a foundation of positive relationships.
#mnlead
https://t.co/QXYpWXck7p
curleygirl84
May 15 @ 8:55 PM EDT
@bretdom
#mnlead
Visitors have way too much info about students at a glance. I see Kdg Ss have meltdowns "walking the plank" to clip down.
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
It's coming to a close. CTA coming up.
#mnlead
JennReichel
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A6. Fixed mindset looks at "failure" as the end whereas growth mindset sees an opportunity.
#mnlead
kmbross
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A6 Look at the great message at the bottom of this 2nd grade report card.
#mnlead
https://t.co/xlBPsGKHW2
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
Wow. That was fast!
#mnlead
https://t.co/LFM8UO9um2
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
It's coming to a close. CTA coming up.
#mnlead
ehfowler7
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
@Clouducation_
enhanced metacognition skills leads Ss to make thoughtful choices and enhances ability to defend those choices
#mnlead
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
CTA: What is something you can specifically target or advocate for that will help students reduce feelings of shame?
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:57 PM EDT
That is awesome! Saved that image to share with our team.
#mnlead
Thanks Kevin.
https://t.co/CfY0TLnBg7
kmbross
May 15 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A6 Look at the great message at the bottom of this 2nd grade report card.
#mnlead
https://t.co/xlBPsGKHW2
MoralesPattie
May 15 @ 8:57 PM EDT
It's definitely a HUGE shift in classroom and school culture!
#mnlead
https://t.co/0wdrNOTd4q
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A6: We have to purposely teach and model
#growthmindset
to undo damage of past shaming.
#mnlead
Peebles142
May 15 @ 8:58 PM EDT
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#LearnLAP
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mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:58 PM EDT
CTA By not doing it to their Ts. Leadership must model this practice.
#mnlead
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:58 PM EDT
CTA: I will do my best to bring Makerspace ideals to all areas of school/learning.
#mnlead
BradLatzke
May 15 @ 8:58 PM EDT
Thanks
#mnlead
moderators and participants for discussing this important topic. Have a great week!
amythuesen
May 15 @ 8:58 PM EDT
.
@MoralesPattie
For teachers too!
#mnlead
ehfowler7
May 15 @ 8:58 PM EDT
CTA: Responsive classrooms, responsive school
#mnlead
MrDataGuy
May 15 @ 8:59 PM EDT
Tonight's
#mnlead
discussion connects to state testing. Please join us May 24th for the fairly new
#ATAssess
Chat
https://t.co/EYSnOLskzR
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:59 PM EDT
CTA Celebrate the work and effort S's give everyday. Model positive speaking with T's and S's. Be the change you want to see.
#mnlead
MarkJWestpfahl
May 15 @ 8:59 PM EDT
"Failure" can be success... & we need 2 stress that to Ss. How we react & recover shapes our experiences. A5
#mnlead
https://t.co/PDNuUpLkAX
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A5 Remind ourselves learning is a journey that transcends your grade level & current proficiency status. Focus on big picture.
#mnlead
mahillmann
- Moderator
May 15 @ 8:59 PM EDT
As usual,
@Clouducation_
brought his ‘A’ game when moderating
#mnlead
. Thanks for selecting this critical topic. Thoughtful discussion!
RACzyz
May 15 @ 8:59 PM EDT
Help
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Be part of the 100 Person Project! What makes for the ideal teacher?
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#ecet2
#mnlead
#iaedchat
#txeduchat
Clouducation_
May 15 @ 8:59 PM EDT
CTA: In the immortal words of Bill and Ted: "Be excellent to each other"
#mnlead
bretdom
- Moderator
May 15 @ 9:00 PM EDT
Let's give a shout out to
@Clouducation_
That was a great topic and one I don't always think about. Thanks Tony!
#mnlead