#csk8 Archive

This chat includes a discussion of topics of interest to K-8 teachers who teach and/or integrate computer science.The Computer Science Teachers Association is a membership organization that supports and promotes the teaching of computer science and other computing disciplines. CSTA provides opportunities for K–12 teachers and students to better understand the computing disciplines and to more successfully prepare themselves to teach and learn.
Wednesday November 1, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight’s #csk8 chat about Teaching the Data & Analysis of CSTA Standards https://t.co/yaejM8UWJR
  • participatechat Nov 1 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #csk8 by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/ImnVTD3B10
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Our moderators tonight are @visionsbyvicky & @Todd_Lash #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Join on Twitter OR try https://t.co/pX6LifSI3Z where the hashtag is automatically added. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Don’t forget to include the hashtag #csk8 on all tweets during the chat so that everyone participating in the chat sees your posts.
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Before we get started, please introduce yourself including your connection to CS education for 5-14 year olds. #csk8
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Mark Miller here, ED of https://t.co/LP2bL8AMzE. We're a nonprofit helping get CS/STEAM/Making/Robotics out to all young people #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hey there #csk8 chat! My name is Nancy and I am currently a MS Tech/Shop Teacher in NY!
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Welcome, Mark. Glad to have you here. #csk8
  • love2runnteach Nov 1 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Colleen from DE. I teach tech to grades 1 - 4! #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hi Nancy, so glad you could join us! Is this your first #csk8 chat?
    In reply to @ntavarez89
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    GT Wrobel here, one of the primary writers of https://t.co/zwwtB5Wx6P's CSP and CS Discoveries curricula #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Alfred Thompson - HS CS teacher who works with other schools of all ages #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Yes this is my first #csk8 chat! Very excited to see whats in store.
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Welcome Colleen :) Glad you could joining tonight! #csk8 8
    In reply to @love2runnteach
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Welcome, GT. Glad you could join. #csk8
    In reply to @GTandCS
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Well that didn't work, let's try CodeDotOrg :) #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Glad you could join us, Alfred. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Great to have you with us tonight GT. Thanks for joining #csk8
    In reply to @GTandCS
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    The link works. :) #csk8
    In reply to @GTandCS
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hi! Smita from Palo Alto, K-8 CS, Makerspace, Ed Tech and happy to be here. Hope to be able to stay through it #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hello Mr. Thompson :) Glad to have you with us as always! #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Ed Campos(@edcamposjr), tweeting from the @Bootstrapworld account. I'm a Program Trainer for the Bootstrap family of CS curriculum. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Welcome! #csk8
    In reply to @SKolhatkar
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hi, Ed! Glad to have you here tonight. #csk8
    In reply to @Bootstrapworld, @edcampOSjr
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Thanks😀 #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Hi Ed! Welcome to #csk8 ! Great to have you with us.
    In reply to @Bootstrapworld, @edcampOSjr
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Hi, all I'm Vicky, from the Los Angeles area. I'm a K-8 Tech teacher, one of the CSTA standards writers & a moderator tonight! #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Nice to meet you!! #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    We are using @Bootstrapworld this year for 6-8 CS elective #csk8
    In reply to @Bootstrapworld, @edcampOSjr, @Bootstrapworld
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Are you from NYC? Do you know @teach_python #csk8
    In reply to @ntavarez89, @teach_python
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    The #csk8 chat is a structured chat which means questions are numbered Q1 for Question 1, Q2 for Question 2, etc.
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Thanks. Will do. #csk8 We also have a T on the CDE standards adv comm who is teaching @Bootstrapworld #csk8
    In reply to @Bootstrapworld, @edcampOSjr, @Bootstrapworld
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Answers should start with A1 for the answer to Q1, A2 to answer Q2, etc. #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Yes, but I teach in Yonkers! I do not know her. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @teach_python
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Are you ready to talk about teaching 5-14 year olds about Data & Analysis? Be watching for the first question. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q1: Why do 5-14 yr old students need to learn about Data Storage, Collection, Visualization & Transformation and Inferences & Models? #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Yes. #csk8
    In reply to @Bootstrapworld, @edcampOSjr, @mathsharpee
  • RonSchaeffer Nov 1 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Hello, I'm Ron from Western NC. Gr 7/8 CompSci and Coding. #csk8
  • CTRL_UIUC Nov 1 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Yasemin (@TrYaseminCicek ), graduate student @edILLINOIS, interested in teaching & learning CS, tweeting from @CTRL_UIUC :) #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: Data is everywhere around Ss. Organizing Numbers, data is an essential life skill. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Welcome, Ron! Glad you could join us tonight. #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Glad to have you with us Yasmin! Remember to use the #csk8 hashtag to participate :)
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    welcome! #csk8
    In reply to @CTRL_UIUC, @TrYaseminCicek, @edILLINOIS
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Hi. Sorry to be late. Anne, retired principal and consultant, SoCal. #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: We need to start young to get students to understand how to understand data. They need it to understand history! #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: Students 5-14 yrs old should learn about Data Storage because our society is becoming a technology driven one! #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Welcome, Anne! #csk8
    In reply to @Ajay460
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    A1: Everything students do now a days involves tech. Phones, computers, TV's. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    On Q1: Why do 5-14 yr old students need to learn about Data Storage, Collection, Visualization & Transformation & Inferences & Models? #csk8
    In reply to @Ajay460
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: They have to be able to understand the data they are using and where it is stored so they can keep on using it! #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Yo, @ed_saber , would love your input tonight w/ #csk8
  • love2runnteach Nov 1 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    a1. Ss need to learn how to analyze/interpret data...it is a needed skill #csk8
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: W/ all of the "facts"&graphs that are thrown at Ss daily, they need 2 understand the process of data science to question validity #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: As our lives are more and more influenced by data, students need to understand what it is and how to interpret it. #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: it’s very important for Ss to learn all aspects of data because data is necessary 4 differentiating between fact & “fake news”. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    What about how/why/what data is gathered about them? Do you feel that is important? If so, how should it be taught? #csk8
    In reply to @ntavarez89
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Hey #csk8 it saber, MS and HS CS educator in NYC. Organizer of #ethicalCS and #CCFestNYC & #CCFestLA with great peeps.
  • CTRL_UIUC Nov 1 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    #csk8 Because these skills are important to be a good digital citizen.
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • RonSchaeffer Nov 1 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: It is important for Ss to understand that data determines and affects what they actually see while exploring the internet. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Interesting to relate history and data. How would you explain their intersection Alfred? #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Thanks for joining! #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    So true and students (and many adults) don't really understand this. https://t.co/Uer62Mdv70 #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer
  • gdahlby Nov 1 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1. There is structured and unstructured data. #csk8
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    #csk8 I think you nailed the most important for younger ones to grock. Perhaps teach it by having them "google themselves" (or parents)
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @ntavarez89
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Sorry I am late - this is Sheena a CS teacher in California .. A1: Our world is being shaped by data - Ss need to understand it #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    I'm surprised at how little my HS freshmen know about the data that is collected on them. We need Ss to be aware younger #csk8
    • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:16 PM EDT
      What about how/why/what data is gathered about them? Do you feel that is important? If so, how should it be taught? #csk8
      In reply to @ntavarez89
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Glad you made it, Sheena! #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    I am going to start collecting data on how many times a salesperson calls her while we are doing this chat and on a GHO :) #csk8
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A1: Computing is all about manipulating data. How we take real-life and capture it as digital data on computers is the essential story #csk8
    • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:10 PM EDT
      Q1: Why do 5-14 yr old students need to learn about Data Storage, Collection, Visualization & Transformation and Inferences & Models? #csk8
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    #csk8 Demo by buying something and watching how it affects your feed?
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Watch for the next question about teaching data storage to 5-11 year olds. #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Yes, especially with all the social media usage #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Or just looking it up on Amazon. :) #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller, @RonSchaeffer
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Q2: This standard is about using data on devices & recognizing it as data. Share ideas for teaching this & for progressing from K-5. #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Data is huge for understanding history. Population changes, migration, demographics, economics. All data for understanding what & why #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Can you elaborate in terms of #csk8 Gordon?
    In reply to @gdahlby
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A1: Data and analysis are increasingly important lenss for understanding our world. #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    How and why... so we as educators can learn more about our students and continue building their education to be the best! #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Love the "story" aspect of this answer. We need to talk this way more in terms of data with kids. They get story! #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Ss are doing social media younger all the time. They don't know about digital footprints. #csk8
    In reply to @SKolhatkar
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Yes, data is a great topic to integrate into other curricular areas - history, science, math! #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @Todd_Lash
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Yes, true #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Agree. Data is needed in science.We were doing Ecosystem simulations. Ss were writing numbers and now to teach them to analyze it all #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @Todd_Lash
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A1: Being able to weigh in on what's true or what should happen means understanding data and it's collection/storage/analysis #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Love this...make it about the students. Increasing engagement and agency through data! #csk8
    In reply to @ntavarez89
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: Loops and arrays! This is when Ss see what all that computing power can do first. A simple Ruby or Python program works #csk8
    • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:20 PM EDT
      Q2: This standard is about using data on devices & recognizing it as data. Share ideas for teaching this & for progressing from K-5. #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: Starting at K with tally marks, organized against an item to Google spreadsheets or excel or science observation charts #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    By the way, if you hadn't noticed. The standard(s) are on the question images under the question. #csk8
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2 #csk8 How do people feel about having class create fake account & see how long it takes for its feed to be influenced by what it likes?
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    How does this teach data storage? #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: Definitely a hard topic to teach when it comes to using data and recognizing it coming from a device, but nonetheless, doable! #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Even just following elections in an election year or student government #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2: I think google has invented a great tool where sharing between screens would be helpful for this standard #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Probably against rules somewhere. :) #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    yeah, I'm thinking of this book which tells the story eloquently #csk8 https://t.co/0VlUaQXMVw
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2: It seems to me like the core idea here is having Ss recognize that computers are machines that manipulate information (data) #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2: This is a tough one and really comes out of Papert's "Power Principle" that kids have to use before they can understand. #csk8
    In reply to @ntavarez89
  • gdahlby Nov 1 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A1, #csk8 eg databases (relational or not) vs free form such as text, narrative. Also relates to data element types when coding to analyze
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2: Taking a simple quiz within the grade, maybe asking students about their bdays and collecting that data & putting it on g-sheets? #csk8
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2 #csk8 Also, what about data from say WeDo distance sensor going into a Scratch list, as a different kind of example?
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2: As far as defining the information as data, I think it’s key to have Ss be able to differentiate between factual data and opinion. #csk8
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I tend to agree here, I think this standard is describing a mental model that is best developed through seeing / using examples first #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @ntavarez89
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2: this way they can store the data, copy it, delete it.. so on and so forth. Explore with what they have right there in their class! #csk8
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Might be a stretch - Write a loop to store even numbers in an array which goes into the computers memory. delete the 10th term. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    This is really more about data collection & transformation rather than "storage". #csk8
    In reply to @ntavarez89
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2: In our newest version of Bootstrap Data Science, Ss use @pyret 2 import data from #GoogleSheets to do this https://t.co/llc9CJZRfM #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    What if you called it as a test account? #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @mlmiller
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2: Does anyone show students meta data? Like GPS data attached to photos? May surprise students to see what "invisible" data is #csk8
  • gdahlby Nov 1 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A1. my bad, was describing what about data and less about why #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A2: For retrieval, modifying and sharing, I like Google docs. #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Yes I noticed. Nice touch. Thanks for the extra work - makes these questions really useful. I think we should all save these questions #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • RonSchaeffer Nov 1 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A2: We have been exploring Apps in detail this week. Discussing input & how the data impacts and shapes the output. #csk8
  • truss_mr Nov 1 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Tom Russiello, a elementary education candidate teacher at the University of Central Oklahoma #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A2: I think it's important that we use the terminology when K-2 Ss are doing anything on devices so they know it's all data. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Certainly at later grade levels Saber. Not K-2 and probably not 3-8...for most anyway. #csk8
    In reply to @ed_saber, @VisionsByVicky
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Good idea.I would like to show them web log data - I always tell Ss their IP addresses are being stored - they are being tracked! #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A2: Working with data is one of the most powerful ways to incorporate CS into other curriculum areas - social studies, history, math. #csk8
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Oh yeah, missed that. wish scratch had some data structures. We do this with 7th and 8th graders easily. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Great to have you Tom. Is there a #CSed program/class within your program? #csk8
    In reply to @truss_mr
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    How much about data are grades K-2 ready to understand? Just wondering. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A2: As we progress to 3rd-5th, I talk about file types, folders, etc. This is a video I have used https://t.co/GHyNGgK4J7 #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    I agree! The information shared on these chats is thought provoking and invaluable. #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010, @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Coming up, a question about data storage for 11-14 year olds. #csk8
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A2: In Canada, we have a government open data portal (https://t.co/RNcvPy8F7y). Lots of exciting datasets for students to work with. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Q3: What does “represent data using multiple encoding schemes” look like for 11-14 year olds? Please share how you teach this. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    It's like reading, we want them to understand the term like they understand letter sounds before words. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Care to give examples or links to lessons Paul? #csk8
    In reply to @pauldallison
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A3 #csk8 Scratch is limited but certainly lists can work well for younger Ss
    In reply to @ed_saber, @Todd_Lash, @VisionsByVicky
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I totally agree. Use the correct terminology right away. Explain the meaning if there is confusion and ck for understanding. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    They do intersect with data in both science and math at k-2, but CCSS has diminished their importance in some ways. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @VisionsByVicky
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A2: My answer does depend heavily on what actual skills we want Ss to walk away with. Something like copy-paste seems to meet this bar #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Love this! Can you share how you are working with data sets/ lesson ideas? #csk8
    In reply to @pauldallison
  • truss_mr Nov 1 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    I do not believe so, unfortunately. I see the value though and hope to learn more. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: Check out Unit 5 Chapter 1 of CS Discoveries. There's a nice sequence that does just this! https://t.co/WTxTqBL645 #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    You are in the right place :) Pretty much anyone on this chat is happy to talk. Please reach out with any questions! #csk8
    In reply to @truss_mr
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3 #csk8 Colors can be good example of multiple encoding schemes. Visual color, color "number" (eg in Scratch/SNAP), RGB, etc; also letters
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: Not sure if this is the std? In a Python class we talk about variables, lists, dictionaries as different ways to solve a problem. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A3: Scratch definitely works. I tried out https://t.co/8EjC5egL1O using a microbit kit & found that the javascript option was helpful! #csk8
  • love2runnteach Nov 1 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    great idea...Ss are unaware of 'invisible date' #CSK8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Be looking for the next question about teaching data collection, visualization, and transformation. #csk8
  • gdahlby Nov 1 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A2. Look at common representations of data, say in news, CIA factbook or other srcs & look at data easily and less easily manipulated #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3: We also explore ASCII sets but first we come up with our own ways to encode letters #csk8
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3 #csk8 example from earlier today: code as data (von neumann architecture) -- for middle school & up. Huge idea.
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Q4: How might we use the collection, visualization & transformation standards to augment what teachers already do in other subjects? #csk8
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A3: pixels to B&W to color encoding is the best (only) thing i can think of. Would love to hear more #csk8
    • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:31 PM EDT
      Q3: What does “represent data using multiple encoding schemes” look like for 11-14 year olds? Please share how you teach this. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    This is the standard, for sure! :) #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    That chapter is primarily about binary encoding schemes. We try to de-emphasize math in favor of info. representation in general. #csk8
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A3: So yes, classics like pixels, ASCII, binary numbers, etc. show up. #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A3: I learned number systems in 6th grade. Fell in love with them then. Do we still teach number systems in elementray school? #csk8
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    I provided students with population data for our city. This info included how many ppl of each age group live in each community (1/3) #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4: We do this in #lasdk8 middle school science classes - use spreadsheets to enter, compute and graph data. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4: Any subj can benefit from using visual aids 2 represent data. Importing data into various charts or graphs can clarify concepts. #csk8
  • SKolhatkar Nov 1 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4: multiple ways. E.g. Studying population. Data over time. Math & Science is more natural. LA: talk about scores and changes Y2Y,YTD #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Nope, not so much. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    and how the population has changed. I asked students to assume the role of city planners (2/3) #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    No, other than base-ten in k-5, they have fallen out of math in CCSS :( Not sure about 6-8 level. #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4: History uses data to draw conclusions -- why not transform all history classes into data science classes? #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4: seems like showing students how to make data into graphs helps many subjects. Spreadsheets make it easy. Collect their own data. #csk8
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A3: Modeling the real world using tables, bar/pie charts, histograms, and functional relationships. #csk8
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    a3: this is a fun question. Without code, Google Forms, Sheets, and data analysis is lots of fun and creative #csk8
    • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      Q4: How might we use the collection, visualization & transformation standards to augment what teachers already do in other subjects? #csk8
  • RonSchaeffer Nov 1 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    HTML uses characters as part of markup that need to be encoded to render correctly as content. i.e. <> " & #CSK8
    In reply to @ed_saber
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    and design an open city space that all residents could enjoy. This is just one example of the many exciting activities data can bring. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A3: If you care to learn more, check out the Curriculum Guide that shares the philosophy of that unit pg21 https://t.co/fVcwGRdB7c #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Sounds amazing. Got any examples? #csk8
    In reply to @pauldallison, @Todd_Lash
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4: My students stacked Oreos, tallied, created graphs https://t.co/p64AeOQCgt part #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Bummer. Number systems like Binary help them understand decimal better. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A4 #csk8 for many Ss, sports stats offer a great dataset. Impt to include female teams though!
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Hey Tom! Thanks for popping in. #csk8 I would say transform them into mixed-methods classes. The qualitative side brings value too!
    In reply to @mrtomocon
  • truss_mr Nov 1 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    This is sad to me. I feel the early years are when this might be picked up more easily. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @alfredtwo
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A4: Love to use data from https://t.co/az3Po4auRl - earthquake data is great for Middle School. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Yes, great point Mark, as well as athletes with disabilities who can do some amazing stuff. #csk8
    In reply to @mlmiller
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Agreed -- you can't take the reading out of history -- but any time there are visualizations, kids should be discussing data! #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4: Has anyone used this https://t.co/GOIokG7dpz to analyze data? #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    So fun. Do you discuss reasonableness? I notice one of your students decided to stack 88 cookies:-) #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    Yep, and it is certainly when they are more likely to become interested. #csk8 Especially if we make it about the story, as @ed_saber said.
    In reply to @truss_mr, @alfredtwo, @ed_saber
  • love2runnteach Nov 1 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    a4. Google Sheets is perfect tool for teaching data...fav Halloween candy #csk8
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A4: @kelpowers5 gave her gym teacher fitbits so her kids could analyze their own data -- great way to collaborate! #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    We did discuss reasonableness and how many cookies were in the package. Some kids chose to ignore that. #csk8
    In reply to @Ajay460
  • love2runnteach Nov 1 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    a4. analyze fav candy by class, grade, gender, teacher, etc... #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Can do so much with Google Sheets. #csk8
    In reply to @love2runnteach
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4: I'm sure many science and math teachers would be thrilled to have data literate students! #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Well this is where true learning comes in. #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    In Geography, I asked students to collect data from @environmentca and examine trends in weather to analyze impact of climate change. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @environmentca
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4 Ss need to learn how to analyze data critically and carefully to find answers in Business, science, and social studies #csk8
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    This is so user friendly! Love it! Need to spread the word! #csk8 Thanks for sharing!
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Great call. Makes me think of glitch an image file by opening it as a doc and deleting characters. @poohlaga showed me #csk8
    In reply to @RonSchaeffer, @poohlaga
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A4: I have had students create surveys in Google Forms to collect data & then analyze it and create presentation about findings. #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    I think too that the discussion around whose data, and why data are selected as part of the story are hugely important. #csk8
    In reply to @mrtomocon
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Everything sticks better if you tell it as part of a story #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @truss_mr, @ed_saber
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A4: Physics Ss can collect empirical data and use data science to search for trends, then model those trends with formulas. #csk8
  • CTRL_UIUC Nov 1 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    This is great! #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Keep your eyes open for our next question about models and inferences. #csk8
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    I’ve had students work with images (which are represented in binary). This is a neat activity: https://t.co/oJB64kbDG7 #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A4: Social Studies Ss can explore role of policies, search for connections between world events & migration, life expectancy, spending #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A4: Google also has public datasets available https://t.co/CuNCmHsze3 #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Q5: How might we teach about inferences and models & how might this enhance other curricular areas? Share lessons & resources. #csk8
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A4 Looking at the data underlying recent social movements or trends #csk8
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A4: Science Ss can collect empirical data and use data science to search for trends, then model those trends with formulas. #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Binary is a fun lesson to teach in 6-8,Ss understand it at different levels based on their existing math skills.#csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash, @alfredtwo
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A4: (NYC specific) but we have used https://t.co/fKIb8abWgB to have kids everyday connect their lives to data science #csk8
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    And you complicate the story over time so that it get closer and closer to real life and the "truth" #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @Todd_Lash, @truss_mr
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A4: I suggested this for an earlier question!! This would be a great way! #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010, @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    That's cool. I wonder if there's anything like that for Los Angeles? #csk8
    In reply to @mrtomocon
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Is this part of the new @Bootstrapworld data course? Really want to come sit in on that sometime.#csk8
    In reply to @Bootstrapworld, @Bootstrapworld
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Yes! #csk8
    In reply to @love2runnteach
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A4 Election data is an easy example, but I'd imagine a social studies class would love looking at things like arrests, healthcare etc. #csk8
  • alfredtwo Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    The Binary clock on my desk always raises questions :-) #csk8
    In reply to @Sheena1010, @Todd_Lash
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A4: Glad you agree!! #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky, @love2runnteach
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A3: I’ve used Processing with my grade 8’s. Students manipulated images and applied simple filters to images. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • CTRL_UIUC Nov 1 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    This source is amazing! Thanks for sharing! #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5: in @mathbabedotorg’s Weapons of Math Destruction she starts with cooking for her family as a model, data, prediction. Relatable #csk8
    • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:49 PM EDT
      Q5: How might we teach about inferences and models & how might this enhance other curricular areas? Share lessons & resources. #csk8
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A5: In CSP U2 we have Ss collect daily information about themselves via Google Forms, then analyze to find patterns with pivot tables #csk8
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    There might be -- cities are trying to get these things off the ground so developers can build nice things for them ;) #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A5: Obviously that's a slightly older audience, but the basic idea is "collect and analyze data about yourself" #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Does anyone do anything with Project Guts https://t.co/CyiaY1HDpc for creating/modifying models & simulations? #csk8
  • ntavarez89 Nov 1 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Thanks for a good chat! I have to go :( I loved being a part of it! I hope to tune in again next Wednesday! #csk8
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Ha! I give them instructions in Ascii in Binary so they have to use the Ascii table or their Python program :) #csk8
    In reply to @alfredtwo, @Todd_Lash
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Would love to see a young readers version of the book #csk8
    In reply to @mathbabedotorg
  • Sheena1010 - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Yes! We are using it a lot and now they have a cool upgraded HTML5 version ! #csk8
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A4: Going back a question, lots of cities (like my home of Chicago) have data portals with awesome open data https://t.co/EbhAP94Hez #csk8
  • mrtomocon Nov 1 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A5: @tap2k frm @cornell_tech worked on https://t.co/KV3Xcx47WI for kids collect data + build spatial maps - great modeling tool #csk8
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A4: "Discrete x/y pairs <-> plots <-> lines/curves" is a a major connection to multiple reps of functions in Algebra, if done properly #csk8
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Thanks for stopping in Nancy, we will be live again in two weeks :) #csk8
    In reply to @ntavarez89
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    #csk8 We helped Pacifica SD introduce SLN and Project Guts curric to middle school students over last two years
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • txtnlrn Nov 1 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    #csk8 #reg5chat #mathchat
  • pauldallison Nov 1 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A5: Analyze population and weather data. How has the population of your city changed over the years? Predict the future population. #csk8
    In reply to @Todd_Lash
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Last question of the night coming up! #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Q6: What is the intersection of data and programming for 5-14 year olds? What should students be able to understand and do? #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    A5: If I were still in the classroom, I would love to delve into gov’t policies and their effectiveness. One area: Flood Insurance. #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    These days we have access to so much data that we can delve into these kinds of things. #csk8
    In reply to @Ajay460
  • ed_saber Nov 1 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A6: Being able to collect and analyze data to investigate questions that interest them seems like a good goal. With code preferably #csk8
    • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:57 PM EDT
      Q6: What is the intersection of data and programming for 5-14 year olds? What should students be able to understand and do? #csk8
  • Bootstrapworld Nov 1 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Yes! Ss choose own data sets & form own ?s about the world,learn how 2 analyze data critically to find answers #csk8 https://t.co/llc9CJZRfM
  • Todd_Lash - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Timely! Lots of climate change data out there saved to servers in Canada lol! #csk8 Idea of using locally important data is powerful.
    In reply to @Ajay460
  • mlmiller Nov 1 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A6 #csk8 That's huge age range. Middle School should be able to calc mean, median, mode, min, max. Maybe linear trends
    In reply to @VisionsByVicky
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A5: Students in Scratch can use Lists and Cloud Data to start working w/data in programs. #csk8
  • GTandCS Nov 1 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A6: I suppose a good question here is whether there needs to be "code" or is analysis via a GUI enough? #csk8
  • VisionsByVicky - Moderator Nov 1 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    Oops, make that A6 #csk8
  • Ajay460 Nov 1 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A5: Ex. In light of recent flooding in Texas, Puerto Rico, etc., do our policies need to be revised? Data is key to decision making. #csk8