#IEedchat Archive

#IEedchat is a great way for Inland Empire (California) educators to share teaching strategies, educational resources, and more.
Monday October 23, 2017
10:30 PM EDT
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:30 PM EDT
    Q0: Introduce yourself and share why you attended or didn't attend a Community College? Was your experience positive or negative? #IEedchat
  • participatechat Oct 23 @ 10:30 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #IEedchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/kBC0NA1bMS
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:30 PM EDT
    Holla back #edchat #caedchat folk. What does community college mean to you? #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:28 PM EDT
      Welcome to #IEedchat. Tonight we are discussing the role, importance & emerging trends in Community Colleges. We will be using Q1:A1 format.
  • DeatraLee_Edu Oct 23 @ 10:31 PM EDT
    A0: Deatra Lee, Tech TOSA @puhsd, I took classes at RCC during the summer to meet general ed requirements. It was positive. #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:30 PM EDT
      Q0: Introduce yourself and share why you attended or didn't attend a Community College? Was your experience positive or negative? #IEedchat
  • Chad_Shaner Oct 23 @ 10:32 PM EDT
    A0 Chad SpEd Coordinator I went str8 to Cal Poly SLO b/c my counselor told me CC was for lower level Ss that couldn't handle a 4yr #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:32 PM EDT
    A0:Tom Ashley TOSA Tech Coach @puhsd. Community College for me was what high school should have been. Transferred from RCC to Cal #IEedchat
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:32 PM EDT
    A0: Attended for less than a year. Frustrated w/not getting classes I wanted. Wished I stuck it out though #IEedchat
  • joshjusd Oct 23 @ 10:32 PM EDT
    Josh, i attended cc for my emt course good experience @MtSAC #ieedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:32 PM EDT
    Roberto Guzman Maestro @CMIPerris I took some courses at Chaffey and Mt. Sac but spent most of my time at a 4 year @UofDallas #ieedchat
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:33 PM EDT
    Q1: CA expanded the use Dual Enrollment to develop seamless pathways from HS to CC to College. Should D.E. replace AP courses? #IEedchat
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:33 PM EDT
    Joseph Williams Exec Dir of Tech I attended @palomarcomets. I was a career changer & they helped me become an educator. #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:30 PM EDT
      Q0: Introduce yourself and share why you attended or didn't attend a Community College? Was your experience positive or negative? #IEedchat
  • Chrisjlara24 Oct 23 @ 10:33 PM EDT
    A0: Chris Lara 8th grade history. Went to Chaffey CC after looking at the cost of college & loved the experience I got out of it #IEedchat
  • MRoarkPMP Oct 23 @ 10:34 PM EDT
    A0) Michael/Jurupa.Went to local CC, early 00’s, before web classes were worked out|Never finished AS|Last class bad schedule time #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:34 PM EDT
    A0: Jed Tech TOSA / math geek @HeritageHSPats @puhsd I went to 4 year right away, wanted residential experience, away from home. #IEedchat
  • joshjusd Oct 23 @ 10:34 PM EDT
    A1) I can't think of a good reason to get rid of either, a ton come to mind to expand both #ieedchat
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:34 PM EDT
    A1: I think both have their places; AP can prep you for a possible major in the subject where D.E. is getting a jump on CC #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:34 PM EDT
    A1:We should keep all options open, but personally I would rather take a CC course than a test to let me get credit #IEedchat
  • Chad_Shaner Oct 23 @ 10:35 PM EDT
    A1: I don't see why you can't say AP & DE are the same. Doesn't AP count as college credit when you score a 4 or 5 on AP exam? #IEedchat
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:35 PM EDT
    A1: I know its controversial but schools should put way more energy into Dual Enrollment. If I had to select one, I am for DE. #IEedchat
  • judykaylane Oct 23 @ 10:36 PM EDT
    A0: went to a CC after attending a 4 yr-starting a family, stopping- thinking I needed to catch up-became inspired to teach there #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:36 PM EDT
    Some students need a year or two to be ready for a successful university experience. #IEedchat
    In reply to @MathButler, @HeritageHSPats, @puhsd
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:37 PM EDT
    Q2: Should Community Colleges offer bachelor's degrees in high-demand career fields such as Industrial Automation/Dental Hygiene? #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:37 PM EDT
    Completely agree w you @AshleyMSJC5 some Ss need to mature and catch up to themselves and then there ready #IEedchat
    In reply to @AshleyMSJC5, @MathButler, @HeritageHSPats, @puhsd, @AshleyMSJC5
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:37 PM EDT
    A1: Dual Enrollment has tons of benefits. Some places don't have CC nearby-so AP makes sense there as only option. #ieedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:38 PM EDT
    A2:The Ca Master Plan for Higher Ed(1960) is old but has wisdom. CCs should approach 4year degrees w/caution but SHOULD offer them #IEedchat
  • Chad_Shaner Oct 23 @ 10:38 PM EDT
    A2 I think it's a great idea. Would allow more Ss to finish their program than get mired in transfer snafus that derail them #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:38 PM EDT
    CSU and UC have pushed back on this trend... #IEedchat #turfwar
    In reply to @ieedchat
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:38 PM EDT
    A2: I think they could. It would provide more options for Ss, especially those w/family obligations at home #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:39 PM EDT
    A1 cont'd - when compared one against the other - it's Dual Enrollment by a nose for me. #IEedchat
  • judykaylane Oct 23 @ 10:39 PM EDT
    A1: like what I hear about the Dual Enrollment classes. My daughter did well w/AP but not for all and a rough road, things change #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:33 PM EDT
      Q1: CA expanded the use Dual Enrollment to develop seamless pathways from HS to CC to College. Should D.E. replace AP courses? #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:40 PM EDT
    A2:It becomes a question of what is best for the Ss, do they need to take Lit and Poli Scie to be a better Dental Hyg #IEedchat
  • DeatraLee_Edu Oct 23 @ 10:40 PM EDT
    A1: Dual Enrollment because credit for AP courses depends on one exam. #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:33 PM EDT
      Q1: CA expanded the use Dual Enrollment to develop seamless pathways from HS to CC to College. Should D.E. replace AP courses? #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:41 PM EDT
    A2: I need more detail here - what does Bachelor's degree entail, what'd it be like at CC? Not against it, just want more info. #IEedchat
  • Chrisjlara24 Oct 23 @ 10:41 PM EDT
    A2: I’m kind of middle of the road on this one. Looking forward to reading the responses #IEedchat
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:42 PM EDT
    Q3:CCs rely on a single test score to place Ss into college level or remedial courses. Should multiple placement measures be used? #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:42 PM EDT
    A2 cont'd... does this change anything in requirements with accreditation with the institution too? Is it sustainable for the CC? #IEedchat
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:42 PM EDT
    A2: CCs should be offering specialized bachelor's degrees. It's about the students & not about protecting a 4 year college. #IEedchat
  • MRoarkPMP Oct 23 @ 10:42 PM EDT
    Do they use the same curriculum? Different approach? I haven’t had the opportunity to shadow either. Didn’t have them in my HS #IEedchat
    In reply to @Chad_Shaner
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:43 PM EDT
    A3: A well thought out Multiple Measure tool should be a far better predictor of S success than a single test like the Accuplacer. #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:43 PM EDT
    A3: Yes #IEedchat
  • Chad_Shaner Oct 23 @ 10:43 PM EDT
    A3 I've always detested a single test placement. A single test never reveals the true measure of one's achievement levels #IEedchat
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:43 PM EDT
    A3: I think so, or give option to retest #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:43 PM EDT
    Many sharp HS Ss aren't ready for the Accuplacer and can become bogged down in remedial classes... #IEedchat
    In reply to @ieedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:43 PM EDT
    A3 cont'd I think the harder question is what other measures make sense. Hard to have something standard that scales. #IEedchat
  • joshjusd Oct 23 @ 10:44 PM EDT
    A3) I think the barrier of remedial classes is bigger than placement criteria #ieedchat
  • MRoarkPMP Oct 23 @ 10:44 PM EDT
    That’s a good point, Jedidiah. #IEedchat
    In reply to @MathButler
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:44 PM EDT
    A3:Ss grades, SAT and or ACT with a placement exam should be considered. It will give a better idea of the Ss potential #IEedchat
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:45 PM EDT
    A3: Governor Brown signs bill to transform remediation in community colleges. https://t.co/VkK8wHvYBU #IEedchat
  • Chrisjlara24 Oct 23 @ 10:45 PM EDT
    A3: I don’t mind it. when I took the placement tests I was simply relieved about no SAT or essays #IEedchat
  • DeatraLee_Edu Oct 23 @ 10:45 PM EDT
    A3: agree with @Chad_Shaner & @MathButler. Should have multiple measures, but which ones. #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:42 PM EDT
      Q3:CCs rely on a single test score to place Ss into college level or remedial courses. Should multiple placement measures be used? #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:45 PM EDT
    Don't get me wrong, I am all about the classic liberal arts ed but some kids don't need it. They are just trying to get a job #IEedchat
    In reply to @judykaylane
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:45 PM EDT
    Maybe the accuplacer (or similar) could be first filter. Those on bubble could submit to a free response prompt of sorts. #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:46 PM EDT
    A3 continued: #ieedchat more info: https://t.co/hMLxm7KqMV …
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:46 PM EDT
    I thought that sounded familiar, I head that the other day #IEedchat
    In reply to @jswilliams
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
    Q4: Are you in favor of Guided Pathway Initiatives that force structure on Ss who used to explore by taking a variety of classes? #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
    Honest question: Can the accuplacer be taken mult. times (like other standardized assessments for college entry)? Anyone in #IEedchat know?
  • KochCarisa Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
    #IEedchat could someone RT the question we are on. Just jumping in now. Carisa from the high desert.
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
    DE helps traditionally underserved students gain access to college. Here is a Rand Report from Texas. https://t.co/YoKbJpuIV1 #IEedchat
    In reply to @joshjusd
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:48 PM EDT
    A4: I think the old days of spending a couple of years dabbling in community college courses until you find your passion are over. #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:48 PM EDT
    @KochCarisa #ieedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
      Q4: Are you in favor of Guided Pathway Initiatives that force structure on Ss who used to explore by taking a variety of classes? #IEedchat
  • Chad_Shaner Oct 23 @ 10:48 PM EDT
    A4 yes I like them, college is too expensive to waste $$ on "exploring" Most Ss don't realize the impact of that future debt #IEedchat
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:49 PM EDT
    A4: I think pathways are good guides for students. Wish I had that. I just wasted time at CC and then bit bullet and applied 4 yr #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:49 PM EDT
    A4: Many Ss were lost in wilderness of CC unstructured environment in old days. Guided pathways provides needed support/structure #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:50 PM EDT
    A4: Yes if money/time is tough. No it's nice to expand ur own learning in unexpected places. I value my exploratory learning. #IEedchat
  • MRoarkPMP Oct 23 @ 10:50 PM EDT
    A3)What if they do a single test, but incorporate SAT/ACT/ASVAB/Etc? #IEedchat
  • DeatraLee_Edu Oct 23 @ 10:50 PM EDT
    A4: Yes, I think Ss need/appreciate the support. #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
      Q4: Are you in favor of Guided Pathway Initiatives that force structure on Ss who used to explore by taking a variety of classes? #IEedchat
  • Chrisjlara24 Oct 23 @ 10:51 PM EDT
    A4: I say no. A semester or two of exploring is better than being forced into something you discover quickly you don’t want #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:51 PM EDT
    A4:Guided structure sounds like a better alternative for Ss that need to stay on a path to a future job or career #ieedchat
  • judykaylane Oct 23 @ 10:51 PM EDT
    not sure what this means exactly but force structure does not sound ok to me, other hand Ss need structure, I did #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:47 PM EDT
      Q4: Are you in favor of Guided Pathway Initiatives that force structure on Ss who used to explore by taking a variety of classes? #IEedchat
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:52 PM EDT
    Q5: Full time tuition at CCs is around $1380 per year - a great bargain. List pros and cons of making CC free for all students. #IEedchat
  • DeatraLee_Edu Oct 23 @ 10:53 PM EDT
    I found this https://t.co/HRGQWNkkqS #ieedchat
    In reply to @judykaylane
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:53 PM EDT
    A5: Hard to say Free is bad. Cost has to come from somewhere though. Is that reallocation fair? #IEedchat
  • MRoarkPMP Oct 23 @ 10:53 PM EDT
    A4)If you signed up for a pathway, you were probably attracted to the field|Even if you change, still can go in related occupation #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:54 PM EDT
    A5: I think 1 or 2 years free tuition could be helpful to encourage Ss to avoid predatory non-profit colleges & transfer to CS/UC #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:54 PM EDT
    A5: One drawback is that Ss need "skin in the game" or they won't take college seriously. Plus, $46 isn't too pricey. #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:54 PM EDT
    A5:Pro, all Ss are given equal opportunity to succeed and financial strain is no longer reason to not go. Con, it will be crowded #IEedchat
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:54 PM EDT
    A5: Pro - More access, Con - Who pays? #IEedchat
  • Chad_Shaner Oct 23 @ 10:54 PM EDT
    A5 a little hesitant on this one. No such thing as a free lunch. Who ends up paying for free tuition in the long run? #ieedchat
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:55 PM EDT
    A5: It's already here. California will provide one year of community college for new students. https://t.co/J2fuPAAXhI #IEedchat
    • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:52 PM EDT
      Q5: Full time tuition at CCs is around $1380 per year - a great bargain. List pros and cons of making CC free for all students. #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:55 PM EDT
    A5 cont'd Pro - lower barrier, lessen poverty as variable Con - capacity of the institution. Does quality ⬇ as quantity ⬆? #IEedchat
  • MathButler Oct 23 @ 10:56 PM EDT
    Very much agree. Mild cost goes a long way as perceived value. #IEedchat
    In reply to @AshleyMSJC5
  • Chrisjlara24 Oct 23 @ 10:56 PM EDT
    A5: I think free is awesome. Perhaps run it as like a good student discount where if you meet a certain gpa then you get a refund #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:57 PM EDT
    There are weird politics still in play Joseph. State might just make CCs pay for year 1out of prop 98 money. #Iopposethisapproach #IEedchat
  • ieedchat - Moderator Oct 23 @ 10:57 PM EDT
    FT: Any final thoughts on Community Colleges as a viable option for our students? #IEedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:57 PM EDT
    I was thinking the same thing #IEedchat
    In reply to @Chrisjlara24
  • JSynnott1 Oct 23 @ 10:57 PM EDT
    My wife gets this now doing online school at U of Phoenix. She has almost 4.0 and gets money back every 3 months #IEedchat
    In reply to @Chrisjlara24
  • KochCarisa Oct 23 @ 10:57 PM EDT
    A4 Have not heard of the Guided Pathway Initiative. Where can I find out more? #IEedchat
  • AshleyMSJC5 Oct 23 @ 10:58 PM EDT
    FT: My community college experience saved me & put me on a successful trajectory. CCs are a treasured institution! #IEedchat
  • jswilliams Oct 23 @ 10:58 PM EDT
    Final Thoughts on #IEedchat: "Education can disrupt poverty in just one generation" @jcasap
  • Chrisjlara24 Oct 23 @ 10:58 PM EDT
    I forget who it was but I believe it was Obama who had an idea like that where you have to meet a certain gpa #IEedchat
    In reply to @rguztec
  • EduGladiators Oct 23 @ 10:59 PM EDT
    #EduGladiators wraps October series on Ss Engagement SATURDAY w/@TopDogTeaching on #flexibleseating #ssdedu #IEedchat TOSAchat #akedchat
  • rguztec Oct 23 @ 10:59 PM EDT
    FT:$ should not be a reason why Ss do not go to College, we need to create avenues for them to get fairly price College degrees #IEedchat