#badgechat Archive

#BadgeChat was founded in December, 2014 by a group of educators who are passionate about credentialing learning and achieving. While there are thousands of us around the globe issuing badges to learners, there was not yet a regular twitter chat for those of us in the K-12 space to gather for learning and sharing about badging. After reaching out to leaders in the field (like the good folks at Mozilla and The Badge Alliance) for their thoughts, #BadgeChat was born.

Monday September 24, 2018
6:30 PM EDT

  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:31 PM EDT
    Welcome to #BadgeChat! Whether you're new, a regular chatter or lurking today, please say hi and introduce yourself!
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:32 PM EDT
    I'm Noah in Denver. Digital Badges Community Organizer and cheerleader of all work that's taking risks and dreaming big #BadgeChat
  • capt_info Sep 24 @ 6:34 PM EDT
    Hi, I'm Justin in Montana. Open Ed and open recognition believer/dreamer. Occasional #badgechat lurker.
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:35 PM EDT
    First question coming up. Feel free to jump in anytime! #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:35 PM EDT
    Q1: “Making Faculty + Staff manually issue Badges.” Is this a sin? #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:37 PM EDT
    Great points, Kyle! For me, key word is "making"...I think some Educators will want to have the *option* though it's a miss when it's the only way to issue. In addition to saddling them w work, it disempowers potential Badge Earners #BadgeChat
    In reply to @Kyle_Clements1
  • dirkwmatthews Sep 24 @ 6:38 PM EDT
    Automated bagging reduces workloads and provides streamlined workflows. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:39 PM EDT
    Quiet start this week and that's fine:) Second question coming up! #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    Great point Dirk! Should it be the only way? What can we do to ensure that the process is remains *meaningful* to all/most stakeholders? #badgechat
  • capt_info Sep 24 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    A1: If instructors don’t understand the value of an ed tech tool, then forcing them to use it will probably lead to disappointing results. #badgechat
  • dirkwmatthews Sep 24 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    I'm in Chicago and looking at ways to develop learning pathways towards career outcomes. #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:40 PM EDT
    Q2: “Issuing Badges w/o authentic evidence.” Is this a sin? #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:41 PM EDT
    Beyond Badges, this is super important to remember with any effort! This approach is fast track to staff meetings that use words like "fidelity" #badgechat
    In reply to @capt_info
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:42 PM EDT
    Awesome! Y'all have so much amazing work happening there. We loved Chicago as host site for #BadgeSummit last June:) #badgechat
    In reply to @dirkwmatthews
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:43 PM EDT
    A2: As @Benjaroome is apt to point out, evidence is KEY! It can help with verification and building trust. That said, depending on Issuer/Earner goals, it might not be a "sin" in all situations. Context matters #BadgeChat
  • Benjaroome Sep 24 @ 6:44 PM EDT
    A2: I think we all know my answer here! Although I'm not sure I want to ascribe the religious overtones implied, I do believe that *learning* require learning evidence in order to be meaningful. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:45 PM EDT
    As always, @Kyle_Clements1 raising tough questions for us to consider. The real world is a nuanced place and absolute views aren't always realistic... #badgechat
    • Kyle_Clements1 Sep 24 @ 5:22 PM EDT
      A2: 1) "Authentic" is in the eye of the beholder. 2) Some skills/experiences don't lend themselves well to evidence that can be attached to a badge. 3) As badges expand into the workplace, copyright issues or other barriers could make it difficult to share evidence. #badgechat
  • Benjaroome Sep 24 @ 6:45 PM EDT
    A2: I think we all know my answer here! Although I'm not sure I want to ascribe to the religious overtones implied, I do believe that *learning* badges require learning evidence in order to be meaningful. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:47 PM EDT
    Your context here is huge. When speaking to valuing LEARNING, evidence is king. Do you see room for credentials for things like membership, presence, etc that don't need evidence? #badgechat cc @donpresant
    In reply to @Benjaroome, @donpresant
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:48 PM EDT
    Third question coming up! #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:48 PM EDT
    Q3: “Issuing Badges randomly.” Is this a sin? #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:49 PM EDT
    A3: When we think about situations like @dirkwmatthews badging career pathways, random issuing can definitely be counterproductive in helping learners monitor progress and goal setting #BadgeChat
  • ConcentricSky Sep 24 @ 6:50 PM EDT
    Agreed. That's why we added the ability to include evidence from multiple sources in #openbadges 2.0. #badgechat
    In reply to @Benjaroome, @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:51 PM EDT
    For any folks who might have just gotten lost, can you explain this idea of "evidence from multiple sources"? #badgechat
    In reply to @ConcentricSky, @Benjaroome
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:52 PM EDT
    Again, Kyle bringing the nuance. The context matters when it comes to the sin of randomness #badgechat
    • Kyle_Clements1 Sep 24 @ 5:23 PM EDT
      A3: Yes - If by "randomly" we mean there is no logical reason badges are being issued. No - if by "randomly" we mean it feels random because the learner does not know precisely when their actions will earn recognition. I think there are interesting use cases for this! #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:52 PM EDT
    4th question coming in hot... #BadgeChat
  • Benjaroome Sep 24 @ 6:52 PM EDT
    Absolutely. I don't think every badge needs evidence, but badges that claim that someone has mastered a skill or competency need to prove it. It's that simple. We expect evidence from our students in all learning contexts. Badges should not be different. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG, @donpresant
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:53 PM EDT
    Q4: “Issuing Badges that don’t match to internships or jobs.” Is this a sin? #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:53 PM EDT
    BAM! #badgechat
    • Benjaroome Sep 24 @ 6:52 PM EDT
      Absolutely. I don't think every badge needs evidence, but badges that claim that someone has mastered a skill or competency need to prove it. It's that simple. We expect evidence from our students in all learning contexts. Badges should not be different. #badgechat
      In reply to @SenorG, @donpresant
  • RandallSampson Sep 24 @ 6:54 PM EDT
    A2). Authentic makes it personalized; don’t fake the funk #BadgeChat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • ConcentricSky Sep 24 @ 6:55 PM EDT
    It is possible to include multiple Evidence links within a badge, and they can come from different sources. You could for example include a link to an assessment in an LMS as well as a to s student project in an #eportfolio. https://t.co/kFUS5nlR1T #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG, @Benjaroome
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:55 PM EDT
    A4: There is tremendous value to aligning digital badge credentials to a notion of "what comes next" such as internships and jobs. Not doing so doesn't register as a sin for me, though I'd advocate for it as a Best Practice #BadgeChat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:56 PM EDT
    #badgechat
    • dirkwmatthews Sep 24 @ 6:51 PM EDT
      What type of results would there be? Maybe if there was a badging lottery, this 'sin' would make sense.
      In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:57 PM EDT
    Nick raises a point we might not always consider and that's to value the potential "consumer" like an employer as a stakeholder #badgechat
    • NicholasHuberty Sep 24 @ 6:51 PM EDT
      A3: Yes, if a badge reviewer, i.e. an employer, wants to ascertain any value from the badge, then it must be accompanied by proof/ evidence. Not “randomly”.
      In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:58 PM EDT
    As an outro, feel free to share a takeaway from this week's chat. Please remember to include #badgechat in your tweet so others see it!
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 6:59 PM EDT
    Awesome to have some new peeps join us this week! Shoutout to the lurkers for your own form of active engagement...thanks for being here! #badgechat
  • ConcentricSky Sep 24 @ 6:59 PM EDT
    We'd argue that it is actually the consumer of a credential who gives a credential value - not the issuer. #badgechat
    In reply to @SenorG
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    Shoutout to @troymarkowitz of @PortfoliumHQ for writing the post that inspired this week's chat! #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Takeaway: Context is hugely important when we think about "sins" in this space. AND, it's important that we are intentional and knowing what are *not* Best Practices is powerful and of great value in serving users #badgechat
  • SenorG - Moderator Sep 24 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Thanks to everyone for taking time to join, share and learn! Have a Badge worthy week everyone! #badgechat
  • capt_info Sep 24 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    A3: Better late than never: An individual badge that is random (in the sense of lightweight or context-free) looks sinful if we expect the issuer to supply all the badge’s meaning and value. #badgechat
  • capt_info Sep 24 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    But maybe a learner’s learning record can also supply context. Maybe a collection of badges can be as good at framing and supporting a claim as an individual badge is. #badgechat
  • capt_info Sep 24 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    Yes! I've seen @ConcentricSky mention the importance of machine readability several times lately. Interested if that addresses this issue of "random" badges? #badgechat
    In reply to @ConcentricSky, @SenorG, @ConcentricSky
  • ConcentricSky Sep 24 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    We're not sure what "randomly" means in this context, so can't comment. Most #openbbadges that we see in education are issued as part of a curriculum, so they are quite intentional. #badgechat
    In reply to @capt_info, @SenorG