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Tuesday July 26, 2016
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NOW join — With an average stay of 3-5 years for principals, what are the effects on schools when principals move on.27%15 votes
Topic Now: With an average stay of 3-5 years for principals, what are the effects on schools when principals move on.
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Topic Now: With an average stay of 3-5 years for principals, what are the effects on schools when principals move on.
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When a principal leaves it affects every layer of the school climate. How it affects depends on both outgoing and incoming leaders
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The role of a building principal is often under recognized. The P establishes the culture of the building, intentionally or not.
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WELCOME to Topic: With an average stay of 3-5 years for principals, what are the effects on schools when principals move on.
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Principal movement is a game changer. The principal is the instructional leader in a building. When they move, things change.
School culture changes the most
Join Topic: With an average stay of 3-5 years for principals, what are the effects on schools when principals move on.
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Sometimes leadership changes are needed and sometimes they're not. Schools are dynamic places.
A rough analogy. Producer, director, actor, audience - Supt. principal, teacher, student. All work for the benefit of the student
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A1: each teacher and administrator is directly affected by principals departure. can be difficult on staff and students to readjust.
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When a principal leaves some people are happy and some are unhappy. Again, schools are dynamic places.
Is the culture of the school undermined w/a principals departure or is culture more of a bottom up result?
I feel this depends on the building. https://t.co/4Q9103LWny
Is the culture of the school undermined w/a principals departure or is culture more of a bottom up result?
do you have a column open for ? He is the moderator and that will help.
Some leave footprints in the sand, other leave footprints on the heart.
TRUST is an often overlooked factor in frequent principal turnover.
UNDERWAY Topic: With an average stay of 3-5 years for principals, what are the effects on schools when principals move on.
Staff need to step up to ensure that standards are maintained during any transition period
Sometimes principals leave on their own and sometimes principals are moved. Either instance is complicated.
so true. Dynamic places. But worthy of care and respect.
i'm wondering if this should be the case. Ts, su. staff, specialists all contribute to the school culture. https://t.co/peuNlZCHES
A1: each teacher and administrator is directly affected by principals departure. can be difficult on staff and students to readjust.
I think there is a delicate balance for new leader b/n trying to influence the culture and NOT trying to alienate anyone.
A2: I believe culture comes from the bottom up. From the community, surroundings, as well as staff and students
If principal plays key role in shaping vision of academic success of all students then principal turnover can upset that vision.
TRUST grows slowly and vanishes quickly…a victim of frequent and poorly handled principal turnover.
A culture is a collective thing, but a P can tear one down quickly and build one over time.
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There is absolutely no doubt about this, Mark. https://t.co/wGrUKOJ5ae
so true. Dynamic places. But worthy of care and respect.
What a great topic, . Suspect that the answer largely depends on whether principal empowered Ts. https://t.co/kP1mV5z3Bk
Is the culture of the school undermined w/a principals departure or is culture more of a bottom up result?
When a new principal arrives, some teachers feel they have to "prove themselves" all over again. That previous evidence has vanished
It takes some time to change a culture. If principal has set a good foundation, it can carry over.
too often too much us ignored and unacknowledged
And sometimes the principal feels like they need to prove themselves as well. An interesting situation. https://t.co/zRpRUSTocP
When a new principal arrives, some teachers feel they have to "prove themselves" all over again. That previous evidence has vanished
No argument on that either, my friend.
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Previous evidence is history. The kids in front of you today are what matters.
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All change--positive and negative--has a grieving aspect to it. Must acknowledge, work through when changing principals.
Agreed. However, P's are in the position of authority. Also, they tend to be better "known" in the system. https://t.co/YwNjGc60Kz
And sometimes the principal feels like they need to prove themselves as well. An interesting situation. https://t.co/zRpRUSTocP
When a new principal arrives, some teachers feel they have to "prove themselves" all over again. That previous evidence has vanished
How schools react and move on from a beloved leader leaving reveals the true character of a staff.
With the rapid change of principals in buildings creating a situation of catch up time, do less effective teachers get overlooked?
Not if you have to justify things that have always been successful and are celebrated in school community. https://t.co/VRvMQPkV11
Previous evidence is history. The kids in front of you today are what matters.
Well JayVeanCCSD when it comes to transitioning principals to/fro schools there's certainly room for improvement.
Couldn't agree more! https://t.co/LdRYAbYmMG
How schools react and move on from a beloved leader leaving reveals the true character of a staff.
If the sch. culture depends solely on the P's vision, then the school has put all their eggs in one basket https://t.co/DGZf8PsF53
A2: I believe culture comes from the bottom up. From the community, surroundings, as well as staff and students
It takes years to create a powerful culture in a school and an extremely short amount of time to do the opposite.
Totally agree, but why was the leader beloved? Great instructional leader or a nice guy who left us alone?
Yes, it is easy to fly below the radar, but also strong teachers are ignored as "your fine." https://t.co/Rp1mMt7Bi2
With the rapid change of principals in buildings creating a situation of catch up time, do less effective teachers get overlooked?
That's one of the best things about teaching and learning, there is ALWAYS room for improvement. https://t.co/38DPm9vxoe
Well JayVeanCCSD when it comes to transitioning principals to/fro schools there's certainly room for improvement.
Less effective teachers may not be seen as leaders that can help in transition, leading to overlooking
It's definitely never as simple as, "Here's your new building. Good luck!" https://t.co/38DPm9vxoe
Well JayVeanCCSD when it comes to transitioning principals to/fro schools there's certainly room for improvement.
If effective principals establish schoolwide visions for success of all students, then what do ineffective principals do/don’t do?
- yes, I think the same thing. If P was just a "nice guy" who left others alone, it may be easier to move on.
Kids 1st. However, a rigid admin. can impact our ability. Past evidence of success smooths this rigidity. https://t.co/PdTtx3lkY1
A3:Less effective teachers may not be seen as leaders that can help in transition, leading to overlooking
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Such a great point! It is hard to recover from the roller coaster effect of many new admins--off balance. https://t.co/fyOxaZMPcg
All change--positive and negative--has a grieving aspect to it. Must acknowledge, work through when changing principals.
Sorry, but I disagree. Good admin will not make make any critical changes that will dramatically affect sch. Culture
Their vision does not suit the students/teachers or doesn't exist at all.
Principals are a vital entity of schools
Every situation is unique. Every situation is extremely important as well. https://t.co/3siq61YHq2
- yes, I think the same thing. If P was just a "nice guy" who left others alone, it may be easier to move on.
Less effective leaders do not follow through in establishing and supporting these visions
Suspect so, - then again, many things can cause effective Ts to be overlooked. https://t.co/I33YwrxNxw
With the rapid change of principals in buildings creating a situation of catch up time, do less effective teachers get overlooked?
if the culture of a school is dependent on one administrator, is it really culture? shouldn’t culture outlast one person?
If we want students to learn more, teachers must become students of their own teaching - Tom Kane
Academic achievement of every student hasn’t always been a top concern of principals. Why not?
Stay in their office all day so don't interact with staff and more importantly students
Ineffective P don't support their teachers equitably. They put out fires vs. find solutions. 'My way or the highway' attitude.
what if the school culture is negative? Can a good P ignore that for a year?
We are working for the future of our society, IMHO
Most educators start & finish in the same building. They could experience possibly 10 principals over their career.
I am sure they can but in my experience they seem to be on top of it
- yup; can't ignore the real human element., When someone leaves, there's an impact.
ROLE of principal is changing. Historically, they were seen as school managers… role change has brought about turnover. Agree?
ineffective principals don't involve all Ts in convo about a unified vision, dont model expectations, dont attend PD
thats a great point, but that one person should instill their values in everyone else.
depends on the changes they try to make versus learning about the school first.
Absolutely. Role has definitely changed more to instructional leader. https://t.co/gaDR2gQ0bW
ROLE of principal is changing. Historically, they were seen as school managers… role change has brought about turnover. Agree?
There is still a camp of Ps trained as building managers and not instructional leaders. Make the trains run on time.
I think we need to ask why so much turn over? Are we asking too much of them?
This is a great question. And one I have wondered about a lot. https://t.co/VQm8hpvHTZ
I think we need to ask why so much turn over? Are we asking too much of them?
And that's sad. - https://t.co/WNtGW5H96T
ineffective principals don't involve all Ts in convo about a unified vision, dont model expectations, dont attend PD
What is negative? Neg. culture comes from a perspective lens. It needs to be tempered and weighed carefully https://t.co/hgxIqQHhwZ
what if the school culture is negative? Can a good P ignore that for a year?
sure. intentional culture building can start with 1 person. but it’s not truly culture unless it can last
not if we want all children to feel successful.
The role of the P is that of a middle manager, pushed from every side. I did it for 19 years and it is tough.
A principal often has responsibility of a school's people, data and processes … principal turnover affects each (and more).
True enough, - too easy to generalize in an https://t.co/rBWdbFm7iL
Every situation is unique. Every situation is extremely important as well. https://t.co/3siq61YHq2
- yes, I think the same thing. If P was just a "nice guy" who left others alone, it may be easier to move on.
If a principal has an eye on moving up w/in a 3 yr period, how committed would he/she be to risking things for innovative change?
It might be the nature of working people in general. People change jobs more than they used to
Um, probably not much, - https://t.co/jygu1wDfff
If a principal has an eye on moving up w/in a 3 yr period, how committed would he/she be to risking things for innovative change?
Trying my very best not to generalize as I have never been a principal, although I work with them often.
Principal sees all of the negative elements but doesn't get to experience the positives of the classroom.
there is a lot on their plate with ipdp and slo, etc.
PRINCIPALS contribute (good/bad) to creating hospitable climate for teaching and learning. Change principal, affect climate.
negative is quite subjective. Oft. a neg. can be changed to a pos. Simply by changing your lens https://t.co/hgxIqQHhwZ
what if the school culture is negative? Can a good P ignore that for a year?
staff and students who do not feel supported or part of a positive uplifting school community
That's really fair and good of you, - None of us understands a role until we fulfil that role. https://t.co/a5BUtb9e69
Trying my very best not to generalize as I have never been a principal, although I work with them often.
This. https://t.co/CPRDgRgFSr
PRINCIPALS contribute (good/bad) to creating hospitable climate for teaching and learning. Change principal, affect climate.
in order for them to look good for a promotion, they must show that they can make effective changes
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The workload of a principal is ridiculous.
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negative is quite subjective. Oft. a neg. can be changed to a pos. Simply by changing your lens https://t.co/hgxIqQHhwZ
what if the school culture is negative? Can a good P ignore that for a year?
Considering the drawbacks of Admin career paths, Is it time to maybe look for innovation in the administration of our schools?
Sometimes a principal has to leave before their work is done & it leaves a gap for the next in charge!
A principal has a tremendous impact on the climate of teaching and learning.
True! I a talking about lower elementary, stiff completion might not be right for them.
I see no instance where this would hurt. https://t.co/SsR7pGrzLp
Considering the drawbacks of Admin career paths, Is it time to maybe look for innovation in the administration of our schools?
Happy ! Teachers, are you excited and looking forward to a new school year?
Again, making huge changes like this takes time. Effective change starts with the problem is identified. https://t.co/QFHCgTL8br
staff and students who do not feel supported or part of a positive uplifting school community
Even if my goal is to move up a rung, focus has to be laser-like on helping the S in my school. Period.
Though moving principals can also be good to ensure all schools get the benefit of a great principal.
the workload is huge, but thats what delagation is for
Excited to hear from Melissa Signore about Ss engagement!
And, interestingly, "good" can be "change," which many equate to negative. But, all of it is disruptive. https://t.co/C081aaQxbN
negative is quite subjective. Oft. a neg. can be changed to a pos. Simply by changing your lens https://t.co/hgxIqQHhwZ
what if the school culture is negative? Can a good P ignore that for a year?
Absolutely! But steps toward change can happen the first year.
less red tape for everyone would help. too many standards and tests that are out of touch with real learning
Principals have a tremendous impact on the teaching and learning climate.
Which, of course, would lead to the unsurprising outcome: lots more turnover. Thx https://t.co/hS11Tgi4Vz
The workload of a principal is ridiculous.
Something needs to change for both principals and teachers regarding those things if we want to keep good Ps
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Happy ! Teachers, are you excited and looking forward to a new school year?
Education should be a pleasure
Also if you have an ineffective principal then it's only a 3-5 term!
What innovations would you suggest?
Definitely agreed. How can this workload purposefully relieved? https://t.co/JoA9iNFuzj
The workload of a principal is ridiculous.
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less red tape for everyone would help. too many standards and tests that are out of touch with real learning
And these steps can come in the form of identifying the root of the prob. that needs change. https://t.co/00TB4Sih9u
Absolutely! But steps toward change can happen the first year.
Schools don't exist in a vacuum. What's the culture of the district? How are P treated by supts? Community respect?
100% agreed. Simple questions can have complex answers, - A lot of hard work everywhere. https://t.co/sNgGz4vVCh
Schools don't exist in a vacuum. What's the culture of the district? How are P treated by supts? Community respect?
may just be the nature of things being quicker paced and less patient
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our principal did all our evals before she left to help with that!
Rethink what we require principals to do in the short time allotted & break out some stuff for additional admins
Higher stakes too. They continue to rise.
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Many Ts see the P as the authority. Truth is, they are in the middle, getting pressured from supervisors as well.
Awesome suggestion, - one hopes additional admins are available in most cases. https://t.co/3sC0yLecai
Rethink what we require principals to do in the short time allotted & break out some stuff for additional admins
yes i like this. The work load is unrealistic
I've worked with several principals and they have a huge influence over climate and instruction due to basic leadership qualities
The importance of a great principal simply cannot be denied. They are treasures.
I use Class Dojo to communicate with parents. It's a great for primary kids!
but the pre$$ure is on reducing admins. Some see Ps as non-essential personnel.
agreed. more and more on the line
No doubt. An uncomfortable place to be, - impossible to please both sides (or can feel that way). https://t.co/TsyNV6w0Kq
Many Ts see the P as the authority. Truth is, they are in the middle, getting pressured from supervisors as well.
Got to head out, taking son to see the BFG will read archives/feed later. Good discussion thanks
Kind of scary. Kind of exciting. All at the same time.
Yes a principal sure does affect a school.
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Got to head out, taking son to see the BFG will read archives/feed later. Good discussion thanks
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The best advice I ever got was "do what's best for kids and I will back you."
Got new P last year. Good Leader. great ideas. Then watched as the mtgs and other requirements left no time for anything else. SAD
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The best advice I ever got was "do what's best for kids and I will back you."
they are needed for making calls on discipline that is beyond normal class situations
Of course, that supt, was fired after 4 years, but I kept that philosophy.
this is a problem with all educators not enough time
is another way I communicate with families.
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Ugh. What a sad result. Some don't see the real reason behind Supts' (or Ps') decisions, . https://t.co/k9CkwY5OHl
Of course, that supt, was fired after 4 years, but I kept that philosophy.
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Maybe principals should be offered 5 year and 10 year incentives to remain principals.$$$
I had a supt. that felt Ps had to be moved at least every 5 years to "keep things fresh." Totally wrong btw.
this might work. I see many principals remain in the profession but move schools frequently. I wonder why
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Any data to back that decision, Howard? That's strange.
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I had a supt. that felt Ps had to be moved at least every 5 years to "keep things fresh." Totally wrong btw.
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Some only use data when it backs their belief. When it doesn't they use "professional wisdom."
take risks and ALWAYS model learning yourself.
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maybe just depends on the person. Some will use the freedom to push the boundaries, some for laziness
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Applies to all school leaders. If leaving soon, will they take risks, create sustainable change?
