#musedchat Archive
Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.
Monday January 11, 2016
8:00 PM EST
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It's time for ! Our topic tonight: 21st century skills in the music classroom. Be sure to introduce yourself!
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Evening! Adam from NJ. How's everything going?
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Sam Fritz 6-8 band IN ready for tonight's chat
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Hi Adam, welcome to the chat. Watching the CFB title game tonight, you?
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Hi Sam, welcome to the chat. Hope you're doing well tonight.
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Good to see you Amy, hope you're doing well tonight.
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watching my pets fight on the couch. Who should I root for?
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Hi everybody: general music/instrumental/choral K-5 teacher from South Jersey checking in tonight!
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Not too bad. Curious to see what the weather's going to do overnight/tomorrow. Did you have school today?
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Dabo Swinney's story of overcoming poverty is a great one. And Bama kicked my school's butt last week...
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Happy Monday! Lani, K-5 Vocal
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Welcome to the chat, glad you could join us!
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Hi Lani, glad you could join us tonight. Hope you're doing well.
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Catie in NH checking in, tech trainer, PreK, and Quaver Music rep
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Hi Everyone! Jason from Baltimore, MD, stopping by for tonight. Hope all is well!
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Good evening! Sara from IL. MS Band and Orchestra.
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Hi Catie, it's been awhile! Hope things are going well with you
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Great to see you again Jason, glad you could join us.
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hey Joe! Nice to see you again!
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Hi Sara, good to see you tonight. Hope your week is off to a good start.
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Q1: Are any of the 21st C. skills on the list NOT inherently part of a K-12 music curriculum? https://t.co/E1C3KILrOS
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A1: Tech lit. and Leadership pop up real quick for me. (not to say we don't end up teaching leadership a lot of time)
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A1: Depending on access and class set up (performance/appreciation/gen music), the literacy emphasis doesn't come as naturally.
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A1: Tech literacy probably varies from teacher to teacher, and the resources available
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A1: the trouble lies in that they LOOK really different in Music and are often miss-observed
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All there! If we aren't deliberate with our planning for instruction, can miss out on great opportunities for Critical Thinking.
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music has lots o stuff that comes easily, like differentiation (ie. different parts in band) but at the same time...
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This is intriguing. Do you have any examples in mind?
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I especially run into this with Productivity. Warm-ups are productive but can look and sound like a mess.
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A1: I agree with the information literacy. Ss don't tend to get a lot of that in music
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...its packaged in a methodology that in many ways is exactly the same as 400 years ago (or more!) & looks different
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collaborating in band is students playing together, not necessarily sitting and talking and planning.
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Though we forget that we can have Ss talk to each other in band.Whoever's talking is learning.
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To revisit the leadership point raised by , some students definitely receive more training than others
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A1: Tech Lit is not necessarily inherent in , but can be adapted into lessons
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True, as educators, we should be developing leadership in all musicians, not just 1st chair.
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A1: collaboration in music can be ss discussing the best fingering for a passage- looks like off-task talking
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Good point. Setting learning goals beyond "learn fingering for Eb" or "improve tone quality" is key.
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right. but at the same time, they don't have to talk to collaborate.
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A1: just by choosing to be in an ensemble Ss are collaborating. Working together to achieve a shared goal.
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Yes!!! Those goals are merely prerequisite skills, they are not appropriate standards-based outcomes!
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Also, if we fall into the trap of rote teaching, some of the critical thinking & problem solving skills can fall by the wayside.
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But they can! Critique. Cultural uses of music. Physics of intonation. It's all embedded information literacy.
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would you accept S setting goals like "improve tone" on their own? is that not critical thought?
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Q2: What can other subject areas learn from in terms of these skills? Where can we most effectively be leaders?
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I would accept that as a S goal as long as S could improve AND articulate differences in tone.
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Yes! but we--teachers--tend to focus on the technical (and the next perf), rather than big picture
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Perhaps a paradigm that needs to shift.
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A2: The other related arts would be an easy shift, how established pedagogy can be redirected to help strengthen these skills.
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A2: We can be leaders in demonstrating Flexibility. (Danielson Flexibility and Responsiveness). We are masters at that!
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A2: We're able to get LARGE groups of Ss to work together toward a common goal. Ss enjoy creating & showcasing finished product.
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oh and I just remembered...Im gonna have my lesson groups learn a chamber piece, so they WILL be talking with me!
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Communication is a huge part of that. Can't necessarily explain a concept the same way to every instrument family
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A2: music is at the center of everything, we are the leaders of cross curricular
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"but trumpets only have to push *three* buttons..."
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The depth of knowledge that we must have is insane!
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Communication, flexibility, collaboration, initiative...Plus creating for an audience beyond a T. So much goes into it.
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I always call it the glue.
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A2: We can be leaders just by sharing what we do. Speak up in meetings, join committees. Demonstrate how we address these skills.
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The music T is usually one of the smartest in the room!
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Being a part of school-wide conversations is so important! Our experiences are really different and can be beneficial.
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Invite colleagues to come watch your class for a few minutes, too. Can be very illuminating for them.
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Q3: Are there any skills essential to music that you feel are missing from the list?
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yes! We often do mini performances for teachers at the end of class!
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A3: I know there are a couple that kind of cover them, but I think Independence and Intuitiveness need a shout out on the list.
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All true. But we tend to suppress talking that could be instructive, collaborative.
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A3: Music requires self-determination and perseverance, two key skills needed in the 21st century!
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Independence is a good one. Ideally, I'd like my students to be able to make musical decisions without my input
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As a group, music teachers are probably weakest at gradual release.
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Perseverance is a great one!
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Giving up control can be a scary thing for music teachers :) Maybe that should be a skill for us to develop
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A3: listening. We teach speaking, writing, reading but listening is overlooked. I spend more time than ever teaching listening
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Not until the Q was asked did I think that something was missing from the list....a sobering thought.
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Q4: The skills that you would add to the list...how would you try to develop those skills in your students?
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these are the skills deemed most important for the 21st century, as opposed to always.
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and like any other thing that we in education hyperfocus on, it does a bit of damage to the things we ignore
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That's the danger with these workforce-driven things, they can ignore some things
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(see: most everything in the age of NCLB)
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Making my role as T more of a facilitator and mentor than instructor. Not being afraid to let S learn from missteps.
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A4: Encouraging more S feedback and input on direction w/ musical choices & interpretations. Try to incorporate more composing.
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A4: T role more as a facilitator and mentor and less as director. T not afraid to let S learn from missteps.
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I'm trying to make my Ss put the input in their own musical growth, goal-setting, etc. but haven't made it stick...
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you only get better by making mistakes! Musicians call it practice!
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A4: We do a chamber music concert. As a class, I walk them through a decision-making process, then set them loose
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We're doing practice reflections instead of logs this year. Ss submit weekly vids w/ progress demo & setting goals.
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Chamber music has been a game changer this year! So fun to see tham copy some of my rehearsal strategies.
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Lots of musical independence there. Groups decide on their own what makes musical sense. I won't give them a definite answer
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how do you have your students submit videos? trying to find the simplest method for elementary school
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and is their a guide to the reflections that you have them do? Or is it open-ended?
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We use Google Classroom. Some tech glitches still to be ironed out, but working well overall.
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Combo. Mostly open ended and I try to give feedback. Had 7th pick section of Fest music for their latest 1 though.
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we have GAFE at my school, but with 4-6th it might be too many steps to share from home before they just get lazy..
