#IDedchat Archive

This is a chat for Idaho Educators and anyone else who wants to join the conversation. Topic for 6/20: Reflective Practices

Wednesday January 10, 2018
10:00 PM EST

  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:00 PM EST
    It is 8:00! Time for #IDedchat - a weekly chat for Idaho Edus and anyone else who wants to join the convo!
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:00 PM EST
    Please take a moment to introduce yourself to the group - even if you are just lurking with us. :-) Tell us who you are, what you do, and where you are from. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Tools you can use to make participating in our chat a little easier: TweetDeck; HootSuite; or Participate here: https://t.co/xfBi49mPu0 #IDedchat
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Wendy from Ontario Or. RTI and math coach. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:02 PM EST
    I am Janet Avery, Curriculum Director in Jerome, and your moderator this evening. Thanks to @lizidaho for helping brainstorm Qs for tonight! #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Hi Wendy! Glad you made it again tonight! #IDedchat
    In reply to @wendymairclark
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:03 PM EST
    I’m Kevin, HS Bio and Earth/Space Science teacher. Also eCoach from Indianapolis, IN. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:04 PM EST
    One tip to remember when chatting - don't forget to add the #IDedchat hashtag so we can all follow along. If you use @participate - it will do it for you. https://t.co/xfBi49Eqly
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Hi Kevin! Glad you are here tonight! #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Tonight we are chatting about Academic Conversations; Authentic Discussion; Accountable Talk. Lots of ways to describe getting Ss to more talking than the T. #IDedchat
  • ForTheTeachers Jan 10 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Tami in Eagle. Working in PD. Distractedly lurking tonight :) #idedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Dan Business teacher from St. Louis, hoping to make it through this evening. The sleep has hit. #idedchat #dadtired
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:06 PM EST
    You, too! Looking forward to learning with you! #IDedchat
    In reply to @wendymairclark
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Q1: What is your definition or description of Academic Conversations in your classroom? #IDedchat
  • lizidaho Jan 10 @ 10:07 PM EST
    #IDedchat Liz Schroeder reporting in 😏Jerome Schools Instructional Coach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hi Tami! Glad you are here - even if distracted. :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @ForTheTeachers
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hi Dan! Glad you have brought your Dad brain with you. :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hi Liz! So glad you are here! #IDedchat
    In reply to @lizidaho
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:08 PM EST
    R1: identifying topics that spur interest over the topics covered in the classroom. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:08 PM EST
    Interesting...could the two be related? #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:08 PM EST
    haha lets hope the dad brain is functioning still! #idedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:09 PM EST
    A1: Ss sharing learning or ideas that lead to more learning. #idedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:09 PM EST
    R1: we are taking about mitosis in my bio classes today. Somehow we got on the topic of sickle cell. Kids were engaged about it and how the trait became prominent in the African American population. #IDedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:09 PM EST
    By the way, Chris here, and I provide PD for teachers, both online and F2F. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:10 PM EST
    Hi Chris! So glad to see you here tonight! You've been missed. :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:10 PM EST
    A1: Academic conversation is when Ss choose a topic and have a conversation amongst themselves. #idedchat
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:10 PM EST
    I find math talks to be academic. Students are engaging in sharing their own reasoning and strive to understand the reasoning of others. #IDedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:11 PM EST
    #IDEdchat has been missed by me! Always on my calendar...glad I could make it for more than 2.25 minutes.
    In reply to @averyteach
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:12 PM EST
    A1: We have been talking about forms of communication in Business MGMT, and students wanted to discuss more on electronic communication and our wifi network policy. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:12 PM EST
    A1: I find it interesting that many of our responses have included Ss choice. I see Academic Conversations that can revolve around content to enhance and make connections. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:13 PM EST
    That is interesting - so it began with content and then morphed into authentic inquiry. #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:13 PM EST
    R1: in Indiana, we have content and literacy standards for each unit of study. Communication obviously covers the literacy standards. It is explaining, delving deeper into the content, researching new topics #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:13 PM EST
    Yup. At first I tried to keep them on topic, but quickly realized there was a deeper learning opportunity there. #idedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:14 PM EST
    Ts knowing standards/objectives/competencies to guide those conversations, even when they stray, are key. #idedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • lizidaho Jan 10 @ 10:14 PM EST
    A1- processing information with a class or another partner to understand the topic better #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:15 PM EST
    And they are more engaged when you sometimes go off topic as those topics tend to interest them more. #idedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:15 PM EST
    The best learning is allowing Ss to take charge and go on those tangents with an eye on the convo. #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD, @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:15 PM EST
    Q2: How might "academic conversations" and class discussion be different? Or are they the same? #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:16 PM EST
    A1: This may not be the "definition" but I see the purpose of academic conversations as giving students time to talk about and process content - talk into new learning. #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:16 PM EST
    R2: what kind of vocab are we using? I would say if we are delving deep into the content with vocab it’s academic vs keeping it basic is more convo #IDedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:17 PM EST
    A2: discussion = relationship building. Academic conversations = standard/competency learning opportunity. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:17 PM EST
    This is interesting - tell us more what you mean by this Kevin. #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:17 PM EST
    Definitely can be some overlap between the two though. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:18 PM EST
    A2: I think academic conversations include opportunities to access learning. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:18 PM EST
    This is an interesting differentiation Chris - I had not thought of it that way. BOTH types of discussion are critical to the learning environment. #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc
  • ForTheTeachers Jan 10 @ 10:18 PM EST
    A2: I think "academic conversation" has a more specific intent than a "conversation." Opportunity to talk, listen and reflect related to specific learning content. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:19 PM EST
    Tell us more about "opportunities to access learning." How do Academic conversations do that? #IDedchat
    In reply to @wendymairclark
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Well, let’s say we are taking about the sickle cell discussion. Are we talking about terms like polygenic traits, dominant and recessive genes, malaria transmission and the cause of this—or are we saying it’s a blood disease. There is a difference. #IDedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Relationships are the bitcoins of education. The value grows every day. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:21 PM EST
    Relationship building definitely happens in both though. #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc, @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Q3: How do you set expectations for class discussion/academic conversations in your class? Pretend it is the first time :-) #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:23 PM EST
    #IDedchat
    • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:23 PM EST
      Well the conversations include insight to possible strategies, Resources, or processes. And they expose students to new information or ideas.
      In reply to @averyteach
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:24 PM EST
    A3: Often times I let the students set the expectations. They then feel a connection and a sense of accountability towards the topic/discussion/conversation. #idedchat
  • leadedtech Jan 10 @ 10:25 PM EST
    Hi #IdEdChat I'm lurking tonight from my school board meeting where we are having discussions and conversations about how we can serve our kids and patrons best!
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:26 PM EST
    A3: If back in the classroom today, I think I would try and apply what it's like in "real life". There are times to talk about what's going on, and times to focus on progress and learning. Getting Ss used to knowing which is which is just as important. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:26 PM EST
    R3: you don’t. If I bring up a topic and the Ss take and run with it...why stop them or set guidelines for that impromptu discussion? #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:26 PM EST
    Giving students ownership of setting expectations does help them keep each other more accountable. How might you help a new teacher learn how to set the expectations? #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • ForTheTeachers Jan 10 @ 10:26 PM EST
    A3: Setting up conversations in PD we establish "norms," discussing ahead of time the need to listen with an open mind, to presume positive intent, etc. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:26 PM EST
    Those are great conversations to have - thanks for lurking Simon! #IDedchat
    In reply to @leadedtech
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:27 PM EST
    Good point. If it's a new teacher, I would try and model the activity and show them classroom management skills to help keep it from getting out of hand. #idedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:28 PM EST
    Modeling - a great strategy! :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • ForTheTeachers Jan 10 @ 10:28 PM EST
    I think the expectation-setting needs to happen well before, part of establishing classroom routines so that when you have opportunities in class, you can run with it! #idedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:28 PM EST
    Agreed. Counterproductive to stop a conversation to set rules/expectations for the conversation in progress. #idedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • lizidaho Jan 10 @ 10:29 PM EST
    A3- expectations are great. They also teach respect for learning. I like sentence stems that include academic vocabulary especially when you are first learning. #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Completely agree with this. #IDedchat
    In reply to @ForTheTeachers
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Looking back as a new T I would have paid more attention to my cooperating teacher and their strategies rather than focusing on teaching the content. #idedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:31 PM EST
    Q4: Let's shift gears a minute. When planning, how do you decide when to use different grouping for Academic convos - whole group v. small group v. partner talk? #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Agree with this - once the expectations are set then it becomes easier to give students freedom to take the conversations where they need to go to deepen learning. #IDedchat
    In reply to @ForTheTeachers, @LCHS_Bio
  • ForTheTeachers Jan 10 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A4: It depends on the group and the topic. Partners and small groups allow more people to talk and share their own ideas; larger groups allow more opportunity to learn from others. #idedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:34 PM EST
    A4: Always depended on the situation and goal. Sometimes mixed groups, others Socratic and whole class, or appointments on the clock. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:34 PM EST
    R4: there are some Ss that will share and talk every class period. Others won’t talk at all. Getting those that share lots to listen and those who don’t to talk is the challenge. #IDedchat
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:34 PM EST
    A3: modeling...providing a low threshold entry point... stems and other scaffolds...(I like the fish bowl). #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Are you reading my mind Kevin....that transitions right into the next Q. :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio
  • lizidaho Jan 10 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Love Socratic! #IDedchat
    In reply to @hiccupc, @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Sometimes using tools that get the non-participatory type to share has been very helpful. I use @Flipgrid for this. #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:37 PM EST
    I had a Student T last school year, and would love to go back again and share more with her about how to build relationships, focus on classroom mgmt, and less on content and sticking to my pacing guide. #idedchat
    In reply to @MsMCollier, @averyteach, @AllisonGilbreat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:37 PM EST
    Q5: How do you engage reluctant learners; introverted Ss; ELL Ss; IEP Ss in discussion? These are some Ss who will benefit most from the processing that happens in these conversations.. #IDedchat
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:37 PM EST
    A4: Follow suggestions from other teachers and consider the task at hand. With experience you just sort of know. #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:37 PM EST
    A5: I use Google Classroom and Twitter. Any chance to utilize social media and they are instantly more engaged. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:38 PM EST
    Tell us a little more about HOW you use these tools. :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • leadedtech Jan 10 @ 10:39 PM EST
    A5: I have been playing around quite a bit with FlipGrid and it is really amazing. It really hits on a lot of critical items for student discussions/voice. Engagement, teacher access, technology (they love making videos!) #idedchat
  • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:39 PM EST
    A5: Seems as most often we need to be introspective. What makes us as Ts quiet in certain situations? What would allow us to feel as we could contribute? Keeping that in mind for Ss is important. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:40 PM EST
    Twitter- Ss are able to respond to simple classroom prompts on our school # that I started. Google Classroom/Docs- think-pair-share, and instant collaboration for those shy and needing help with communication. #idedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:40 PM EST
    R5: utilizing tech tools to motivate Ss to share. @CanvasLMS, Twitter, #LabSnaps, @Flipgrid. There are many more. #IDedchat
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 10 @ 10:41 PM EST
    A5) This takes time, patience, and yes lots of planning. We start with everyday conversations not academic ones. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:42 PM EST
    A5 @leadedtech and @LCHS_Bio I love @Flipgrid and have been using it in PD - it can be a very reflective tool. Ss can do "retakes" until they are satisfied with their response. #IDedchat
  • ForTheTeachers Jan 10 @ 10:43 PM EST
    A5 Providing time for learners to write responses before being asked to share can increase their comfort level, or to post comment anonymously (even just on sticky notes) so ideas can be shared without anyone feeling singled out #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:43 PM EST
    In other words, get Ss comfortable with the idea of discussion before getting them involved in those that may be cognitively challenging? #IDedchat
    In reply to @tracyscottkelly
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:45 PM EST
    Writing, or even drawing, ideas down can help with internal processing. Then have Ss share their ideas with a partner..eventually the whole group. #IDedchat
    In reply to @ForTheTeachers
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:45 PM EST
    #IDedchat
    • tracyscottkelly Jan 10 @ 10:45 PM EST
      Exactly. We learn things like mom, dad, please, no, before we learn the alphabet.
      In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:45 PM EST
    By the way - welcome to #IDedchat :-)
    In reply to @tracyscottkelly
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:46 PM EST
    A5 Maybe A4: I have also found it helps if I first give Ss time to quietly think and process. Getting into groups and working together rarely produced academic conversations in my classroom. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:47 PM EST
    Q6: How do you ensure discussion is relevant and rigorous (even if it has gone on a "tangent" and you are letting a learning moment happen)? #IDedchat
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 10 @ 10:47 PM EST
    Nice Chris! #IDedchat
    • hiccupc Jan 10 @ 10:20 PM EST
      Relationships are the bitcoins of education. The value grows every day. #IDedchat
      In reply to @averyteach
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:47 PM EST
    Reflection and collection of thoughts really can allow Ss to make connections from their life to the content questions. This allows the Ss to really amplify their responses. #IDedchat
    In reply to @wendymairclark
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:48 PM EST
    A6: There are times when I participate in the conversation to make sure it stays on topic. Other times I let it get off and see if they can bring it back themselves. #idedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:48 PM EST
    BOOM! :-) THAT is what we truly want to happen isn't it? #IDedchat
    In reply to @LCHS_Bio, @wendymairclark
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:48 PM EST
    A6: Sometimes I let the conversation go because they are engaged and interacting with one another, so why mess up a good thing? #idedchat
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 10 @ 10:49 PM EST
    Ask students to bring it back to the main point. I am good with tangents as long as the can connect the dots for each other. #IDedchat
    • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:47 PM EST
      Q6: How do you ensure discussion is relevant and rigorous (even if it has gone on a "tangent" and you are letting a learning moment happen)? #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:49 PM EST
    R6: it goes back to vocabulary and connections of content to real world situations. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:50 PM EST
    I totally understand not wanting to disrupt "flow" ....but I wonder if you could help it go deeper....possibly probing Qs? #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:52 PM EST
    Q7: Wrap up question - WHY is it important that we even foster the idea of discussion? How does it benefit our Ss? :-) #IDedchat
  • lizidaho Jan 10 @ 10:54 PM EST
    I think that making it rigorous requires every student to bring something of value to the discussion. . Using vocabulary, notes, questions, taking it to a deeper and higher level. #IDedchat
  • wendymairclark Jan 10 @ 10:54 PM EST
    A6: I have found essential questions to be helpful in maintaining focus. Always refer back. “ how does this help us answer the essential question?” #IDedchat
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:55 PM EST
    R7: I bet you guys that are long time #IDedchat visitors know where I’m going with this. #4Cs. We MUST make sure our Ss can communicate and listen to one another. Without this, we are not making our kids #NOWReady or #FutureReady
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:55 PM EST
    A7: Allowing Ss time to talk about content they are learning helps them transfer the content outside the classroom. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:56 PM EST
    This is a great strategy Wendy! If we are intentional about crafting that Q and refer back to it - it can take learning deeper. #IDedchat
    In reply to @wendymairclark
  • tracyscottkelly Jan 10 @ 10:56 PM EST
    A7) Discussions make the world go round. Freely sharing ideas, negotiating contracts, fixing a broken pipe, these things do not happen without a discussion. #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:57 PM EST
    A7: Also this- the one doing the talking is the one doing the learning. :-) #IDedchat
  • vikki_lange Jan 10 @ 10:57 PM EST
    A7. We send our learners off into the world with a collaborative mindset which enhances a productive society #residentlurker #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Hi Vikki! Glad you lurked again tonight! :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @vikki_lange
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:58 PM EST
    Oh probably. There’s time I interject and other times they have deeper questions they ask. #IDedchat
    In reply to @averyteach
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:58 PM EST
    :-) #IDedchat
    In reply to @WinkelerD
  • LCHS_Bio Jan 10 @ 10:58 PM EST
    Really quick hour tonight. Thanks @averyteach for the discussion. Thanks for the comments everyone. Always good to think and learn with all of you. Talk to you next week! #IDedchat
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:59 PM EST
    A7: discussions are never going to go away. Sooner they realize there is a conversation aside from their phone, the easier transition they’ll have. #IDedchat
  • lizidaho Jan 10 @ 10:59 PM EST
    Great ideas and suggestions tonight. Thank you #IDedchat
  • averyteach - Moderator Jan 10 @ 10:59 PM EST
    Once again, our #IDedchat time has come to an end. Thanks to each participant. We are better because of each other!
  • WinkelerD Jan 10 @ 10:59 PM EST
    A7: discussions let others know of your thoughts and opinions. It brings a class together. #IDedchat