#memspachat Archive
A chat for Principals, Administrators & Lead Educators. Come join the Collaboration and Learning THURSDAY'S at 8pm ET.
Thursday February 25, 2016
8:00 PM EST
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Let's start with introductions on -
Mike Domagalski (MODERATOR). Palms Elem Principal and Elem Curr. Coordinator
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Ready for my 1st Betty from Saline Area Schools here!
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Steve Krause, Aiport Community Schools, Principal of Eyler Elementary
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Ryan Relken, principal Oaktree El Goodrich
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Greetings everyone! Bill Kryscynski Yale Elementary. Enjoying the first night of our four day weekend!
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It has been many weeks due to basketball but I'm baaaack....Jessica Barth from Constantine. Excited to learn
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Mike here from Warren Consolidated
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Hi friends! Great to be with you on this SNOW DAY! This is Molly, prof learning provider and Principal mentor
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Michelle from SAS also. Hi Betty ๐
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A1 We reflect in PLC teams weekly and collectively at program meetings which happen 1x a month.
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Hello crew! Jon here, elementary principal from Livonia
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Kaarin Averill tweeting for Oakland University School of Education
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Dawn Kennaugh, Elem Princ @ Beagle Elem in Grand Ledge.
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Bill, Grand Ledge. Deep couch sitting on a snow day!
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Snowday-(Noun) A blessing from mother nature that allows teachers and principals time to catch up on all their work!
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Michelle from Milford, Instructional Coach K-5 and working really hard on my EdS! Excited to learn!!
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Good evening from SW Michigan. Matt Severin, principal of Dowagiac Middle.
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Good evening. I hope many of you got to enjoy the snow day!
Mona Shores Middle School -- Principal
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Hello Allyson from Zeeland, MI :) Relaxing snow day today!!
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I'm working on 3rd OU degree! WE LOVE OU! https://t.co/NtjVjfWuJB
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Kaarin Averill tweeting for Oakland University School of Education
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You have set the standard and modeled well every week!!
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Welcome John Bernia. Glad to have another WCS principal
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Questions starting in 1 minute. Let's get ready on
TOPIC: The 'Principals' of Planning
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Happy Snow Day! Rachel Card, principal at Belle River Elementary in Marine City.
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Educational consultant from south east Michigan
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For a friend like you Mike, I'll double dip - glad to join and . Let the fun begin.
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ALWAYS a great night when joins the ! Welcome!
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Enjoying while my son watches ...a Thursday night tradition. Who says you can't multitask ๐
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Q1: Does your school effectively implement a study reflect / plan / do framework for School Improvement efforts?
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A1: We don't do it effectively at all so I am excited to learn from all of you out there.
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A1 - No - How does anyone do this effectively?
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A1: In a new school this year, so we're revisiting everything and focusing on product as much as a process. EdYES! will help.
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Yes, just came back in from walking the dog :) You? You probably got more snow than we did! https://t.co/ObEbdXMrZ0
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Hi there my neighbor to the north. Did you get out and play in the snow?
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A1 Getting better each day but still improving
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Hello! Lora from Livonia. So glad to finally join and not lurk thanks to !
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Short answer no...it happens in pieces, but we're getting there. I'm the 5th principal in 11 years so...
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Happy 4 snow day weekend! Carol Franz, Happy Principal from Leslie Middle School! ๐
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A1: We currently do not. Excited to learn from all of you. We are in the process of our SI Plan rewrite.
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A1. As an IB school, we implemented a similar Design Cycle.
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A1: We focus on PD'ing ourselves and programs within our school. Look at data, collaborate as a staff, then reflect.
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A1: We do not. Informally, in small teams/groups. I look forward to hearing/learning what others do.
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A1: One thing we do it make sure we are are purposeful in planning this when it is something important but we don't do it often.
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A1 I think the most difficult aspect of the SIP process is patience, giving your plans the time to truly blossom or fail
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A1 Getting better each day but need to work on speeding up the process
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A lil late to the party but I made it! Principal at Bertha Neal - Durand
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Michael Johnson of Ann Arbor, multi-tasking with a sick child who doesn't want to go to sleep. Glad to be back.
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A1.Have heard this referenced on twitter so anxious to learn more
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I think this is a great point. We don't give our plans enough times.
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A1. This is a work in progress. Our district is working to unify the process
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A1: at former school we did! New school and we are a work in progress.
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A1:We just started to reflect on what we 'said' we were Implementing and be honest. Rebuilding together, simplifying.
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how do you like IB? We had an IB diploma out west.
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A1 we try to align ours with district initiatives.
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A1: We do Data Dives 3 Times a year to see who is getting intervention & measure if it's working. Always room for improvement
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A1: We follow the process, but there is always room for improvement (pun intended). Our strength is using our data to plan.
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A1 We reflect in PLC teams weekly and collectively at program meetings which happen 1x a month.
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A1. Not really as the "experts" would like us to,but on district focus we do to a point.
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A1: Build systems and plans for the year that ensure the process. Look at your calendar and schedule, it tells what you value
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You too!! Columbo said to say hi to Diesel!
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It's important to keep our School Improvement Plan in front of our adults. It should be part of our regular work week.
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A1: I'd love to hear from each of you. This is my 2nd year at my current school.
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Joining a little late- 2year old hid my phone!
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Right - we're all in the same boat - we are trying to focus right now on one main item - mindsets in the building
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. It can be disquieting to wait, however I would argue that constant churn of plans is worse
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A1: Effectively? No โน๏ธ
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This is what we do too, called Benchmark Mtgs. Are effective, feel like we know what our students need
https://t.co/6jKZhDeBtR
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A1: We do Data Dives 3 Times a year to see who is getting intervention & measure if it's working. Always room for improvement
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A1: to often si is viewed as a process or hoop and we aren't willing to be truthful for fear of admitting failure
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We all gotta own it!. We actually wrote it in a friendly version for all to understand https://t.co/mxbcPSJWWt
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It's important to keep our School Improvement Plan in front of our adults. It should be part of our regular work week.
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My constant fear is what is too much time and what is not enough time?
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A1: need help with school imp efforts. How do you build in valuable & honest reflection?
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just checking in- Jennifer Goethals Principal at Blanche Sims Elementary in Lake Orion
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QUESTION 2 is on deck on ...
Here comes the pitch...
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A1: I'm looking for more participation w/in our building!
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If it is scheduled, it will be done. Thinking ahead is essential. https://t.co/SUGJ05hifC
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A1: Build systems and plans for the year that ensure the process. Look at your calendar and schedule, it tells what you value
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Q2a: What are potential barriers to implementing study reflect / plan / do framework in your school or district?
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Check out the timeline...very helpful
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What goes on between the meetings?
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A1 SRSD works in the Baldridge framework, doing PDSA throughout- I do it for my own personal growth now
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A2. Being seen as another 'intitiative' or something else to do, not a normal process as it should be
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A2a: Not enough time is the biggest barrier!
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A2: TIME, work loads, and support
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A2: It's hard work & limited training in the process.
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A2a: We need more collaboration time for the study and evaluation pieces of the School Improvement process.
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We do small group intervention using our Title I aides with LLI. Also before school Math Club.
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A2: fear, lack of knowledge, changing what we are doing,
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A2a Fear of knowing what you're doing isn't working but not having another solution
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A2 - Loss of focus maybe or prioritizing that is most important? Getting buy-in and a solid actionable plan? All questions
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If anyone is not using https://t.co/Bqyn3t7P88 for a twitter chat, get on board. Makes the chat go 100% better for you!
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Hi Guys - sorry I'm joining late! Theresa Stager from Rockwood
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A2: id say time, there's this perfect plan and then there's reality. Need to schedule intentional time for the big kid collab
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A2: The state changes our target so much that the barriers are so big
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SIPs need to be realistic. Can't be focused on seven diff things at the same time & except ALL of it to be done at a high level.
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A2: Our failure to focus on our plan is our failure to write something that truly connects to our practice in a compelling way.
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A2: Interesting balance between urgent planning, deep understanding, flexibility and consensus with adults.
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Pick 2 or 3 things and be great at them...rather than 7 mediocre things.
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A2: The SIP is WAY too cumbersome. Needs to be one or two goals...narrow focus & reduce paperwork!
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A2 I think I'm kind of lucky in that we are a private school and don't have as many strings and red tape!
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A2 knowing how to dive deeper for what the results are really telling us and the willingness to adjust.
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Yes, realistic and COHERENT! Princ are notorious for taking staffs off to a new shiny penny all of the time ;)
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A2 Change in building leadership from the time the plan is created to the time it is implemented
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A2: Our adherence to a School Improvement Plan is strongly related to how collaborative the process to write the plan was.
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A2: Our focus is on Teaching/Learning and positive behavior...being in classrooms and providing feedback. This consumes time.
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A2:The big SIGHS when SI is mentioned. A change of Mindset. When you know it, you own it. It should be what we need to grow
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We can be rockstars at 2 or 3 things...not 7 unless your are Ozzy :-)
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A2: we say we can't afford to change or don't have the time, I say we can't afford not to!
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Agree! Thats what we have been trying to do as well.
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SIP is a joke - unless you've prioritized it with staff...Then it comes alive - that's the goal at least
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Also, doesn't necessarily meet need of an individual building.
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This is a challenge when there hasn't been deep collaboration, or there needs to be a big change in direction.
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And they have to own it...not just buy in!
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Yes!
LESS IS MORE-- FOCUS! ADDED VALUE!
https://t.co/D01HR2aQBd
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A2: The SIP is WAY too cumbersome. Needs to be one or two goals...narrow focus & reduce paperwork!
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QUESTION FOLLOW UP:
Q2b: How do we overcome these barriers to implementing study reflect / plan / do framework?
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Hoping that the move to a new template, from ASSIST, will help make it more useful. https://t.co/6bm6DzvRYm
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A2:The big SIGHS when SI is mentioned. A change of Mindset. When you know it, you own it. It should be what we need to grow
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Guilty at times..trying to stick to the big three and not get off track.
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A2: does everyone have the necessary data tied to specific data to make true judgments?
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for sure - they have to be the force creating and building the plan
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A2 District leadership and governmental pressure for instant results - causes staff to play "tight"
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State reporting is as important as we want it to be. Can transform, or simply be a checkbox.
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A2: Need more time. After school time is hard. Before time doesn't work for a lot of staff members. More time.
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Q2 Commitment to continuous improvement requires trust and honesty- you've got to work on that first for authentic feedback
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And monitoring and ensuring implementation. Then it is not YOU doing it.
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Yes! Free of challenging the status quo and taking risks!
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A12b. Provide work time for T's to be involved
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True, but a plan is only as good as it is useful - state reporting is cumbersome and not user friendly
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Focus. The work is what matters most. Evaluate resources and move pieces and schedule time based on the data.
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A2a. Time to reflect and collect data. Trying to balance teaching vs data collector. Getting everyone together is difficult.
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Q2b Try to break it to small skill based chunks that make it relative to the teachers daily lives just like we do for students
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A2b. Schedule it and prioritize it, and it will happen.
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We need to schedule those things that are priority! RT A2b. Schedule it and prioritize it, and it will happen.
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A2b: Do the paperwork but do what is BEST for OUR kids. The kids lives matter & paperwork is there for jobs at the state.
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Easier at early el, as grades get higher it gets more difficult to tie specific skills to learn in targets
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yup - so true...We have to KNOW our kids and make decisions in their interest!
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A2b: Build PLC time into school day and allocate time each week for School Improvement. Make SI a habit rather than an event.
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Really needs to be in small groups...we don't use in class, just intervention groups.
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A2b: Find you FOCUS. What's valuable, improves TandL, and will impact S success. Relationships. Instruction, Learning. Behavior.
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Keep up the collaboration with side tweets and ideas. Great job
Get ready to switch the gears of planning with QUESTION 3...
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right fricking on!!!!! You go girl!
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Okay friends, time for a marbles game with the family before bed. Thanks 4 inspiration to make SI come alive and be meaningful!
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Q3: When do you start preparing to March is Reading Month, and how do you arrive at your school theme / activities / events?
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A2) District PD days when staff has minds on vacations!
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A2b Refuse to make yearly overhauls of your plan, use time in successive years to deepen and analyze...not create anew
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A3 Not soon enough this year! Usually in January I send out a contest to students. Anyone who wants to participate can...
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A2b.365 school calendar?
Trying to use every moment of time we can to get Ts together to talk and plan. Make meetings meaningful
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A3 cont they write a persuasive essay (or sentence or two) on what I should do or there reward should be. Best one wins!
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A3- 100% by committee - not involved except for the "special rewards" that come my way and I do anything but ice cream on head
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A3: I love March is reading month, but I want EVERY month to be reading month at Carleton.
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A3: I ask Teacher's to volunteer and meet before school a couple times. They do 99%. Parents help a bunch with event help!
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A3: We start in the fall choosing a theme. This year is Pirate Theme (Surprise Surprise!) "Treasure a good book"
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A3: We've downplayed MisRM. Instilling reading takes place all year. Limits time needed on artificial activities.
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A3 I have an amazing Reading Intervention teacher that works daily at making it come alive as she says
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A3: student council plans the whole thing. We usually have it locked in before Christmas break.
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A3: We are rocking a March Madness PBIS and reading challenge! Started planning in January!
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I can't keep up tonight!!
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A3. We start about a month ahead and combine Reading Month traditions and add somenew things every year!
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best advice I ever got...It gives new meaning to brain freeze - everything else - in - I've camped on building roof
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A3b: I think March is Reading Month is my favorite time of the year!!
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This year's theme was based of an assembly that was booked in Sep."Wild About Reading"!
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Same at Harvest. Focus on an author visit and weekly mystery books but rest happens throughout the year.
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A3 We start in January b/c its book month. Perforate classroom doors for past 2 yrs w/ book/rdg theme. Rdg comm plans for March.
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A3: Brainstormed ideas in August. Committee of interested staff finalized plans in Jan. One School, One Book title drives theme.
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A3: A group of teacher leaders gather, share, plan and implement.
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A3 at the beginning of the year, but final details came together at the end of Jan and a few weeks ago! We are WILD ABOUT BOOKS!
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A3:Beg. of Feb! Aligned with March Book Fair theme.It's going to be a blast! Door dec.contest, monthly school goals,family night
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Yes you are getting called out. Tweet with the hash tag. On Q3
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Good stuff here! sorry it took me so long to join in.
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A3 does anyone do anything that has some 'meat' to it that helps/engages kids in reading?
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A3 I'm arriving at the assembly dressed up as one of our teachers (6'5 and bald) and ending March by cutting 8in of my hair off๐
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A3: This year we opted to do small reading events all year- rather than one BIG month- nice to change it up.
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A3 We start in January b/c its book month. Decorate classroom doors for past 2 yrs w/ book/rdg theme. Rdg comm plans for March.
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A3 We start in January b/c its book month. Perforate classroom doors for past 2 yrs w/ book/rdg theme. Rdg comm plans for March.
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A3: This is an area that our librarian shows her leadership. Lots of good things that include Ss, Ps and Ts!
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A3: Our PTA &media spec. plan centered around a theme. My favorite is our "Grand" event where grandparents come in to read.
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๐I make my pro wrestling debut this Sunday come check us out. Great school assembly too. ๐ https://t.co/fy1I18pgIb
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We are going to be looking at a Math month for next year. why should reading be the only subject to get attention?
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We are going to be looking at a Math month for next year. why should reading be the only subject to get attention?
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A3. Not just in March, classroom libraries and student choice about reading. Utilize high interest YA fiction in older grades
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our Math Night (yes, just a night) is my favorite night of the year!
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A3: Theme planned year before by staff vote. Ts sign up for MRM "jobs". PTAC helps 2! School looks GREAT for K registration
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Love the idea! Be sure to share out when you do, would love to get some ideas for our school!
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Couldn't agree more https://t.co/WSL1cdRwGg
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A3: I love March is reading month, but I want EVERY month to be reading month at Carleton.
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We started making AR a bigger emphasis with weekly winners and some other small things and the kids are reading like crazy!
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A3b I ๐ reading month- not just for reading, but staff can have fun w Ss; it builds culture/community
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6th graders have teams in their ELA classes & do "Battle of the Books" to create competition and sense of team.
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Q3: We are doing "Camp Read-A-Lot" Tents, fake fires for reading, smores, and camp sites with reading / camp activities
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Will do. Still early in the process.
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QUESTION 4 is creeping up on you... Here it comes on ...
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Q4: What tech tool would you like to plan to implement more in your building? Why, and whatโs your plan for implementation?
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A4 I really love and would love to have it school-wide. Right now it's mostly my MS ELA, but would love K-8.
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Why stop there pick science too! Cranbrook has awesome science on the go & RESA has a kit too!@BillK76
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I do my best to work "what are you reading" into every conversation with a student.
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A4. Not more, but better.. MobyMax has lots of potential just need to develop how we want to use it.
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A4: We do our phonics on iBooks we created. I would love to see this for all curriculum. The kids growth & love is amazing.
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A4: Trying to reach 100+ intervention families w/ Remind w/ my blog link. My goal is to reach out more w/how to help at home
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A4: SeeSaw. Some of my teachers use it now. One shared how a principal uses it building wide. Need to work on how to implement.
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A4: Twitter. Collaboration, Learning, and Celebrating what we do. Plan...I want it to be more organic with staff. TBD
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A4: Chromebooks. Ss in grades 3-5 using Google accounts and Ts in grades 4/5 using Google Classroom. Grant, crowd funding, PTO?
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Pluckers, Kahoot, Clickers - any formative assessment tool that can get students involved and inform instruction.
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A4 computer adaptive programs that S's use and intervention T's use data to organize very fluid skill based groups
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You r exactly right! As a 2nd year principal, I found great value in T Whitaker's recent article from MEMSPA.
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A4: not so much a tech tool, but I want our kids coding. My son does w/ and it's awesome!
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Yes...my Ts want more of them as they are always checked out!
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A4: Apple TVs in every classroom. Doc cameras not meeting our needs but a good start! Need Ss interaction anywhere in the room
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We show these tools in our staff meetings, encourage their use.
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A4 - I want to have staff PD one evening in a twitter chat on school hashtag - still some resisters though
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Looking to start a school twitter, for students, staff and parents.
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Hey - has great tech ideas. Follow him and connect! Also, check in with
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Start with what you've got...
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we run book studies with Twitter to get more teachers to read
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A4: Would love to see Twitter used by staff as a collaboration tool. They are rocking it with Class Dojo for P communication
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A4: Anything...our district is so behind getting tech into our classrooms.
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A4: District PD on Twitter w/ ! Getting everyone on board!! Spread the joy and positivity about what's happening!
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For sure - working with tech teacher and ISD tech to build effective plan - sometimes rocks need water -
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ePortfolio of S work. I have K-2 Ts & Ss use it. One K T used today to interact with Ss on snowday.
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A4: Google Classroom. Planning after-school sessions to staff to learn more. Want to use it for PD & staff mtgs.
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A4. just starting 2 have students video tape steps to math lessons & add to the newsletters for parents
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Amazing flowers can grow in the cracks -
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Yes...I so want to do this to!! Trying to get it going!
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We are looking at more tech/software for our MTSS interventions
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For a look at what an organic T/P twitter chat looks like, check out at 9pm with their Ts
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Q5: When you start planning scheduling / classes for next school year and who is involved in this process?
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We have a science night each year. PTO organizes & brings in various presentations & activities.
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got one but not for student devices. Ugh!
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They can...fertilize and water the flowers around them and they will spread seed that grow out of the rocks
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A5 We start planning in January. Business manager, priest, office manager, School Advisory all involved in the process.
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A4: just remember tech is only as good as the individuals using it. Build in training for staff or it fails
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Exactly Molly - those are the ones we need to get watered!
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A5 Tomorrow and all administration and central office
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A4 I'm Hesitant on more tech- I've seen expensive things turn into electronic dittos w no impact on learning-open 2 suggestions!
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Q5: Schedules come from top down but I include everyone once I know what our restrictions are for the next year.
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A5. Very soon and all district admin.
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A5: Solidifying our master schedule now with counselors. New classes or options will include conversations with Ts.
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Q5: Classes and class lists...every one collaborates to make the best mesh of kids we can get for success.
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A5: Start now. First admin # of sections. Seek parent info in March, teacher input in April. Build May/June & final in July
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A5: Again...look at your schedule, it will tell you what you value. Stuff you can't work around but plan for what you want
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A4b I did just learn about Google classroom though- that is something I can't WAIT for my teachers to see!
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Can't wait for wireless upgrades!Coming soon!
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A5: SIT and input from all staff.
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Teachers help create classes for next year by sorting students. Thats a team process!
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Just started and everyone is involved. T's are looking to innovate and do something new. Hard 2 explain in 1 tweet.
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A5 - parent requests written by spring break. I do initial list then hand it to grade-levels to make them best they can be
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Our schedule starts with a lot of conversations. I hear from as many people as I can.
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A5:I can only speak to student placement.Done at end of May.Grade levels place above and below and have time to meet together
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A5: April. Grade levels meet w/ me, Dean of Students & counselor to make lists for following grade/year.
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Q5: Being told to make a master schedule overhaul next year - could get interesting! Making lemonade outta lemons!
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A5 central office gives the allocation, teachers submit requests and teachers help with placement
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A5: We have a team that represents primary and upper Elem, special area and special ed. Ts share their input throughout.
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QUESTION 6 coming up on ... Great job everyone!
Just 2 questions left "The 'Principals' of Planning"
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Grades/Behaviors/Parent Request/Gender
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Q6: Whatโs the biggest โhurdleโ of the school year in which you plan for, & how do you plan accordingly to jump this hurdle?
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A5: Decide whats important. 90 min ELA/60 min Math/55 min prep/ 30 min WIN. Sit with T from each GL. Project on wall. Adjust.
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Q5: Class lists are made at grade levels - look at all data - Ss names' on magnets and let the sorting begin!
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, We have teachers create class groupings- no perfect system- but shared ownership helps.
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It's been a slow process...I have a couple of Ts on board, but hoping for more. Admin have been joining in!
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A6: One early mentor of mine told me to plan for 3 moments each year that could derail or propel. Let no crisis go to waste.
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Agree, although sometimes even with all the planning elem class lists are never balanced
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A6: Now! Need changes to day schedule to give back time to Ts. Do we need to change some services?
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A5 transparent w/All staff involved;Few parent requests- try to honor if for the right reasons; we work on it closer to May
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A6 Insureing Ts have as much uninterrupted time with Ss yet still devote time for Ss to work 1-on-1 with intervention Ts
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A6 cont: Meet w/ T teams & seek feedback on how we ensure success if we change. Exciting work we taking on to be "Future Ready"
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A6:Drop in student reading levels bc summer loss.Keep educating families,summer rdg program,rdg to kids this summer is our goal
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In middle schools the various transitions in and out. And March the discipline spike!
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A6 - behavior post spring break - I teach ss behavior every Tuesday -they mess up, learning happens.
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A6: Getting info to teachers on how to work interventions. Working with students who "just aren't getting it"
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A6: Teacher obs & walk-throughs spaced out so it's somewhat evenly spaced for true ongoing feedback. Sometimes, hurdle trips me!
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A6: Schedules and class lists ready to start the year. We start in the spring and set early deadlines for all involved.
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Q6: The amount of Ss that move in and out. We work together to make sure the move ins feel extremely comfortable for success.
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A6. Meeting needs of every child! Getting to know students& continually reviewing data & tweaking plan
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A6: Curriculum Night, Kindergarten/Y5 Open House, Summer Carnival and Fifth Grade Promotion
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A6: Evaluation Time is challenging for me. Not crazy about Eval Process. Prep with lots of room visits & relationship building
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Fourth grade is our oldest - great group, so I've got my fingers xed - They've had respect circles for two year
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LAST ONE!
Q7: Letโs plan aheadโฆ Where do you plan to see yourself, or your building, in 5 years into the future?
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A6: M-STEP testing. Prep Ts, Ss, and Ps beginning in March. Finish teacher evals. and SI plan before then. Be ready to support.
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A6: Continue to feed, develop, challenge, & support teachers in their craft.
Be the lead learner-share.
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We've seen huge decrease too.
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A6:Getting past the feeling that decisons from above are all re-active and not pro-active
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A7. Being the best we can be! Great school culture that helps everyone succeed. And we have some fun!
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Thank you for calling it 5th grade promotion!
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A6 MTSS! Plan calendar of data/interv. meetings @ beginning of yr, clear protocol, process & system, and non-stop PDSA
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A7: regardless of where I am, always plan to make a positive impact on all I come in contact with!
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A7: Truth. Future Ready, not assessment driven (still data driven). Learning deeply driven by S interests.
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A7 Myself: Hopefully w/an advanced degree; Building: Increased level of S proficiency that is maintained
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A7 - Thrilled my daughter will be my last child in my building in her last year in my building in 6 years. I'll be there rockin!
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A7: I hope to be doing the job of love the most (Elem Principal) and ALL my students being successful!
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Which program is right for YOU at Oakland University School of Ed?
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A7. Making a difference!!!!!๐๐๐
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No better committment to me than being principal at my children's building!
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A7: My dream in 5 years (a big one) would be to rid the grade level system...but I will stay positive & do what's best for kids.
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A7: Best Middle School in America---Relationships, T&L, Behavior, Middle School Experience. Leader in learning spaces.
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A7:Hoping I'm Blessed to be in admin.making an AMAZING difference for Ts, and Ss by bldg a culture of empowerment and success
