#mdeschat Archive
A weekly chat focusing primarily on educational issues relevant to Elementary School educators based in Maryland.
Thursday April 7, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
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, we're discussing test prep tonight. Please introduce yourself & tell us what comes to mind when you think of testing.
principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:01 PM EDT
I'm Chris, an elementary principal in Maryland, when I think of testing, I think of stress
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
Good evening all! Greg- 2nd grade,
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. When I think of testing, I think of high impact.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:04 PM EDT
We'll be using the Q1/A1 format, remember to add our hashtag to your tweets
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@jazzmeister2013
welcome back, Greg!
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@principal64
Thanks, Chris! Hope all is well.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Question 1 is coming up!
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Walt, principal, Hyattsville, MD. Checking in after a long day.
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Hello! I'm LaRae, Elementary Principal from Kentucky. When I think of testing I think stressful 10 days.
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
Ken from Berkeley CA. Checking things out
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
@WalterReap
hey Walt, good to see you!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:08 PM EDT
@LaRaeWhitely
welcome, LaRae!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
@21stCenPrinKW
welcome, Ken!
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
@LaRaeWhitely
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@WalterReap
Welcome all!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Q1. We'll start with an important question. What IS test prep? Let's see if we agree.
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:10 PM EDT
Andrea. Educator for Educators. Stopping in for a bit but then have an appointment to read with a 3rd grader.
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:10 PM EDT
@principal64
Hey Chris, glad to be checking in!
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
@jazzmeister2013
@LaRaeWhitely
@21stCenPrinKW
<= good company right here!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
@AACPS_Zamora
thanks for stopping in!
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1 encouraging students to do their best
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1. Test prep is a combination of exposure to test format and a review of the standards to be assessed
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@LaRaeWhitely
an important aspect that can't be overlooked, encouragement!
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:12 PM EDT
A1- Test prep can be a wide range of things. Interaction w/ test format; building intrinsic motivation for success… (pt 1)
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A1.test prep is using test format items as part of regular instruction and assessment.
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A1: Test prep is good daily teaching/learning that takes place. It's intentional and specific to what Ss need to be successful!
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A1 the best prep is meaningful content created by teachers
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A1- Review of content, develop study habits, etc. Most of all, it’s what takes place daily as part of daily instruction. (pt 2)
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:15 PM EDT
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@21stCenPrinKW
@WalterReap
meaningful and intentional, important points for test prep!
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
A1. Best test prep happens in the instruction. Clarity and relevance. Content that provokes insights
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
Test prep is embedded daily sound rigorous instruction.
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
A1. Part of daily instruction is important so as not to create anxiety for Ss.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
Question 2 is coming soon!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@HelenMateosky
good to see you, Helen!
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:18 PM EDT
Delighted to dialogue!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:18 PM EDT
Lots of common thoughts around test prep being connected to daily instruction, nice!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:18 PM EDT
Q2. How should schools prepare students for state testing? What do you think works?
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2- Make the process as stress-free as possible. Be encouraging, be supportive. Continue providing HQ instruction that…
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(pt 1)
WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:20 PM EDT
Love this visual! Made me think coherence!
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:16 PM EDT
A1. Best test prep happens in the instruction. Clarity and relevance. Content that provokes insights
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2- …supports learning, growth, and success. (pt 2)
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 I think test prep should be a review, not new instruction and should incorporate student encouragement.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2. By ensuring coverage and spiral review of the standards throughout the year, rigorous instruction tied to relevant daily work
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:21 PM EDT
I want kids to make their learning visible through various formats, testing is just one way.
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2. Effective standards-based daily instruction.
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2 We can't forget the adults! This also should be an opportunity to say thank you for your hardwork.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Question 3 is about to launch!
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A2: Build assessment literacy so Ts understand WHAT is assessed; create a meaningful context for Ss to build stamina and skills.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:25 PM EDT
Q3. Whether you are in a Smarter Balanced or PARCC state, what are the challenges of preparing students for these assessments?
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:26 PM EDT
A2. Ts should be able to apply PLDs in daily instruction and translate for Ss.
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vanlynn75
Apr 7 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@LaRaeWhitely
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It should also be relevant to experiences they encounter each day
principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:28 PM EDT
@vanlynn75
hey, it's Vanessa! Yay!
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A3. What are you looking for?
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A3: helping Ps understand testing.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:29 PM EDT
A3. connecting prep to instruction and making sure students have time to practice with the tools & technology
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:29 PM EDT
A3 1/3 of my population is ELL students, making background knowledge and vocabulary development difficult.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@AACPS_Zamora
good point, many parents are unsure of the significance/need for testing
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:30 PM EDT
A3: The challenge is understanding standards; how will Ss be assessed? How to plan rigorous/meaningful instruction for all Ss?
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:30 PM EDT
@LaRaeWhitely
good reminder, background knowledge impacts the success of many students
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
Challenges arise when technology is used to show evidence of learning. This holds true for many students who lack daily access.
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:31 PM EDT
A mic drop situation right here!
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A3. What are you looking for?
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vanlynn75
Apr 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
A3- Building teacher capacity for instruction in order to exceed the rigor
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:32 PM EDT
@HelenMateosky
that's one of my biggest worries, are we testing knowledge or computer skills?
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Very hard to tease out Chris... Unfortunately.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:34 PM EDT
@vanlynn75
very true, are our teachers confident and trained to get their students ready for testing? I sure hope so!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Question 4 coming in a few seconds more!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:35 PM EDT
Q4. Is test prep more about exposing students to the format & tools of the test, or is it about review of the standards?
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Apr 7 @ 8:36 PM EDT
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NeeshaR
Apr 7 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Q3 We find core standards come alive and inspire Ss when framed using global issues.
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A4 Enough said.
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A4- Test prep shouldn’t be singular in focus. Understanding tech, format, and content being assessed is important, but…
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(pt 1)
jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A4- assessment should support instruction. Instruction shouldn’t be tailored strictly to the test. Building intrinsic…
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(pt 2)
principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A4. Probably a balance of both, but each school is different, some can spend more on format/tools if standards have been covered
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A4: Test prep should be about preparing Ss to think critically/apply skills when interacting with unfamiliar content.
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A4- …motivation is equally as important. Ss have to understand and own that they can achieve no matter the challenge.
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(pt 3)
AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A4: should be more about tools & format.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@WalterReap
great point, students need to be resilient during testing
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:41 PM EDT
Format is important for our kids success but more important is the daily teaching & learning that should be the core of our work.
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@principal64
@WalterReap
Resiliency is so important, and is a skill that takes time to develop.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:41 PM EDT
Question 5 is about to go live!
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A1 Test prep is really just a summative assessment....a really big summative assessment encompassing all.
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A4: Exposure/building skills; in order to hit a curveball you have to see curveballs in practice, learn swing mechanics, etc.
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:42 PM EDT
@WalterReap
Yes. Developing strategies for success.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:43 PM EDT
@HelenMateosky
it really should be, but many students will struggle with the testing format and tools, never enough time for both
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
A4 Test prep is really just a summative assessment....a really big summative assessment encompassing all.
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LaRaeWhitely
Apr 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
A4 Test prep is really just a summative assessment....a really big summative assessment encompassing all.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Q5. The average school spends 20-25 hours a year on testing (2.3% of classroom time). How much time should be spent on test prep?
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@jazzmeister2013
@principal64
I love this concept and think about how it is vital from the perspective of both teaching/learning.
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raleshevich
Apr 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
So sad I missed most of this chat given topic.
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
@WalterReap
@principal64
Absolutely. When Ss have gained this skill, and really begin to own it, amazing happens.
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AACPS_Zamora
Apr 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
I would like to see the term "test prep" used less. Ss often think learning stops for test practice.
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kellyteach6
Apr 7 @ 8:45 PM EDT
A4, I think it is both. Exposure to the format and use of online tools and review of key content that Ss may still struggle with
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raleshevich
Apr 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
A5: none.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:44 PM EDT
Q5. The average school spends 20-25 hours a year on testing (2.3% of classroom time). How much time should be spent on test prep?
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
@raleshevich
we missed your expertise, Randy!
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vanlynn75
Apr 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Q5- strategies should be embedded into instruction naturally each day so it not perceived as "test prep"
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:46 PM EDT
@AACPS_Zamora
good point, it should be seamless/ integrated
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:47 PM EDT
@kellyteach6
thanks for joining in!
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:47 PM EDT
@AACPS_Zamora
Such a good point! Assessment should support the daily instruction. Quality, rigorous instruction builds success.
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:47 PM EDT
A5. Hmm no time for test prep if authentic instruction is taking place
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@raleshevich
ooh! You jumped in with both feet! What about students who have little experience with the technology tools?
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:48 PM EDT
A5: The more literate we are about the assessment, the more teaching/learning aligns w/ daily instruction the LESS "prep" needed.
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kellyteach6
Apr 7 @ 8:48 PM EDT
@principal64
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Your welcome. I love joining in on the conv. But usually am late. Little ones @ home. :)
jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:49 PM EDT
@WalterReap
Precisely. They should not be mutually exclusive.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:49 PM EDT
A5. The time should depend on student need, minimal if instruction is strong & consistent, but students will need practice w/tools
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raleshevich
Apr 7 @ 8:49 PM EDT
A5: test prep=discussing problems with students and talking through how you would solve problems together. Not practice testing.
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kellyteach6
Apr 7 @ 8:50 PM EDT
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A5 Never really thought about a time but I like to spiral review in daily through warm-ups and morning meetings.
21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
A5 why do we keep asking Ss to give answers when we should motivating them to ask questions.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:52 PM EDT
Question 6, our final for the night, coming up!
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:53 PM EDT
@21stCenPrinKW
great question, hopefully that is happening every day, but we know testing is often disconnected from instruction
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:54 PM EDT
Q6. Is it possible to prepare students for state testing without developing a negative testing-centric culture? How do we do that?
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raleshevich
Apr 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
@princpal64
agree it is helpful 2 discuss why highlighting your whole page blue may not help u better understand what u just read
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A6. Of course, it requires school leaders & teachers who have a healthy perspective on testing, main focus on quality instruction
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jazzmeister2013
Apr 7 @ 8:56 PM EDT
A6- When you take away any fear of failure, test stress dramatically reduces. When Ss believe they can, they will.
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21stCenPrinKW
Apr 7 @ 8:57 PM EDT
A6. Not possible because we don't teach dinosaur
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HelenMateosky
Apr 7 @ 8:58 PM EDT
We need to communicate that testing is one spoke of the wheel for evidence of learning. It is not the entire wheel. It has value.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:58 PM EDT
@jazzmeister2013
awesome, another vote for motivating students and telling them they can do it!
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WalterReap
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Apr 7 @ 8:58 PM EDT
A6: Yes, when testing can be part of the sequence of learning not the end of learning, what to do next can be intentional.
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principal64
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Apr 7 @ 8:59 PM EDT
Thanks for joining in tonight, it's obvious that our children are in good hands!
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raleshevich
Apr 7 @ 8:59 PM EDT
A6: the massive time involved in rearranging schedules because of rules & security makes it hard not 2 look at it as a production.
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vanlynn75
Apr 7 @ 8:59 PM EDT
We need to honest & reflect on our teaching practices. It's ok not to be perfect. Set goals,meet with like minded colleagues
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