#DevDiscuss Archive

Tuesday August 15, 2017
9:00 PM EDT
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    It's time for the #DevDiscuss Twitter chat! Tonight's topic is SCRIPTING!
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Rules: - Stay on topic - ALWAYS ALWAYS use hashtag #DevDiscuss - Be NICE/POSITIVE ❤️ - Quoting tweets for clarity is encouraged
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Whether you choose 80 or another number, now I think it's more for developer readability than screen size. #codesmell #devdiscuss
    In reply to @TasmacNCheese
  • KrisSiegel Aug 15 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    Is it deliberate that the #DevDiscuss text is black in that image? The contrast between it and the background is so little it's hard to see.
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:06 PM EDT
    This graphic makes my head hurt - it's already like I'm doing some shell scripting #devdiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    It's ephemeral - it's cool #devdiscuss
    In reply to @KrisSiegel, @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    Firstly, how would you define "scripting" as opposed to other forms of coding/software development? #devdiscuss
  • kylewelch Aug 15 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    For me scripting is when you write code that doesn't need to be compiled. #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      Firstly, how would you define "scripting" as opposed to other forms of coding/software development? #devdiscuss
  • Nick_Craver Aug 15 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    It’s a blurry line these days. I tend to think of it as: 1 file I can hit a single button to run. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      Firstly, how would you define "scripting" as opposed to other forms of coding/software development? #devdiscuss
  • dangolant Aug 15 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss single purpose, single file, minor modification/config but nothing extensive
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • phillipcjohnson Aug 15 @ 9:11 PM EDT
    I usually jump to Python when writing scripts. Its readability and simple syntax let me quickly get something working. #DevDiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    "Scripting" is like a play - a series of commands to be followed one after another, instructing the shell what to do. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CMAPoole Aug 15 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    I define script as short piece of code for distinct task and not usually a structured program. Usually interpreted not compiled. #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      Firstly, how would you define "scripting" as opposed to other forms of coding/software development? #devdiscuss
  • delahappy Aug 15 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    Fewer guide rails so easier to go off track. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      Firstly, how would you define "scripting" as opposed to other forms of coding/software development? #devdiscuss
  • cocodDarthVader Aug 15 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    Sometimes it gets far more complex than building a small OOP app to solve the very same problem. Maybe I just suck at scripting #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @KrisSiegel, @ThePracticalDev
  • Doshirae Aug 15 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    It's a program made to do 1 task, it only has 1 purpose It's in a single file And it's usually ugly/bad code #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:09 PM EDT
      Firstly, how would you define "scripting" as opposed to other forms of coding/software development? #devdiscuss
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    A1: I wouldn't try, as it's a multi-purposed term, but if pushed to, I'd say it's narrowly focused on one task at OS cmd level #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    Are you writing a script, or a CLI? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @cocodDarthVader, @KrisSiegel, @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • cdf1982 Aug 15 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    A script is that small, valuable piece of software with (usually) an audience of one, myself. #devdiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:18 PM EDT
    As an example, I have a dotfiles script that does a bunch of stuff. Installs, setup machines, etc https://t.co/THAbf8B7oi #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • phillipcjohnson Aug 15 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    How do you decide between bash and a full programming language when writing a script? #DevDiscuss @ThePracticalDev
  • projectedxyz Aug 15 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss It's all I know and when it doesn't suit, it serves as a communication tool > psuedocode to relay prototypes to a real Developer
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    Automation in the CI/CD pipeline. I'm actually writing on now to deploy to GKE #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    Correction - just finished one now. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • jduss4 Aug 15 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    "Ruby on Rails? So you like, just do scripting?" - said to me recently However, I'd pry define it as a single file w/ 1 purpose #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • Nick_Craver Aug 15 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    For tasks that often only I know how to do. They act as a de-bus-factor and knowledge transfer. Also, do it once, reuse. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • dangolant Aug 15 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss if I am allowed/able to use anything other than bash, I probably will. Very few cases where I will use bash without being forced
  • AntonFrattaroli Aug 15 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Tough question. Best I can figure is "coding by command line". #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • timmdapper Aug 15 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    It's a spectrum, usually less close to hardware, closer to application layer, often interpreted, sometimes more special purpose. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • gdavis92 Aug 15 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    I usually use it to mean some code that is intended to perform a process/task. Eg bash scripting #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    For a basic script, I'm using a shell script - no need to introduce another language into things. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @phillipcjohnson, @ThePracticalDev
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:21 PM EDT
    PS: for those who treat shell scripting as a poor cousin of other coding, https://t.co/TaERZdTp6O #DevDiscuss 😎
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • bendhalpern Aug 15 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    I really like writing quick one-off Ruby scripts to automate a thing I'm doing. They rarely end up being reusable. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    It's actually super fun to write. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @CWReaceJr, @ThePracticalDev
  • dangolant Aug 15 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss also useful when dev envs are finicky. scripted build+deploy of an app on a server bc everyones local envs kept breaking.
    In reply to @Nick_Craver
  • jxpx777 Aug 15 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Scripts are crucial for tasks that must be done correctly no matter what kind of day I’m having. #devdiscuss https://t.co/3LBr5xeUuG
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • cocodDarthVader Aug 15 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    A new OS perhaps? Why lower your expectations? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @KrisSiegel, @ThePracticalDev
  • jxpx777 Aug 15 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Scripts are convenient for tasks that will take a long time. 1/2 #devdiscuss https://t.co/3LBr5xeUuG
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • jxpx777 Aug 15 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    I might spend more time writing the script, but I *enjoy* that much more than grunt work. 2/2 #devdiscuss https://t.co/3LBr5xeUuG
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • Drullkus Aug 15 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Automating something that would be repetitive or otherwise mentally degrading to do. Applies even to Photoshop actions. #devdiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    I often write scripts for repeating cron jobs, one-off data conversions, data analysis that might be one-off or repeating #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:26 PM EDT
    "data analysis" often includes httpd log parsing 😎 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CKnickerbocker Aug 15 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    Definitely deployments, with the occasional file processor. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:27 PM EDT
    So I'll say it again - a series of tasks to be executed one after the other. They really don't need to be much more than that. #devdiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    Do A, then B, then if B, do C, D, E, then finish with F. #devdiscuss
  • Deanveloper Aug 15 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    You write a file and execute the file! I think that's the essence of scripting to me. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Not being a tool - it's really to set it in - I made them into way more than they were once. #devdiscuss
  • walkersaxplayer Aug 15 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss I mostly use bash but damn that array syntax is wack
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    Yeah - that's exactly the spirit I think too. Well put. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @Deanveloper, @ThePracticalDev
  • Deanveloper Aug 15 @ 9:30 PM EDT
    Nothing in between. No need to compile. Make small files to do small tasks! 😊 #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • Max802_16 Aug 15 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    Coding deals with various real life storylines. Scripting deals with a single system related storyline. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:31 PM EDT
    I mean, it's all kinda strange. Lots of syntax goodies to learn. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @walkersaxplayer
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    Compared to other software development activities, do you especially enjoy scripting? #DevDiscuss
  • b3llydrum Aug 15 @ 9:33 PM EDT
    95% of the time I write a script it's because I find myself performing the same task over and over. I always feel awesome #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    This discussion is making me want to see if I still have my Sed and Awk book... #DevDiscuss 😀
  • delahappy Aug 15 @ 9:34 PM EDT
    I appreciate that I get to automate some routine tasks but I wouldn't say I enjoy scripting. Though I haven't done it a lot. #DevDiscuss
  • sparky_005 Aug 15 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Quick, one-off programs that are meant to automate a single task or set of tasks. Probably not compiled. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • sparky_005 Aug 15 @ 9:35 PM EDT
    Probably a single file #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    I tend to like scripting type tasks because *usually* it's a short path from need to solution, but sometimes... 🙄 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    It's a nice break for me. It let's me automate some tasks and have a little fun. Get away from the "real" code, so to speak. #devdiscuss
  • projectedxyz Aug 15 @ 9:36 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss moving data, ETL, tightly coupled with statistical packages only available in said scripting lang
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • Deanveloper Aug 15 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    I like it for small tasks. Some people on my team have used it for large, complicated tasks, and I have no clue how they do it. #DevDiscuss
  • TonyTalksTech Aug 15 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    As a C# dev, @linqpad is my "scripting" and I love everything about it. Natural extension of "normal" dev. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @linqpad
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    Been quite awhile since I've AWKed, but it was great for parsing log files, as I recall. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @walkersaxplayer
  • bendhalpern Aug 15 @ 9:38 PM EDT
    I LOVE scripting if the task is interesting. It's like having a blank canvas and a brush in your hand. #DevDiscuss
  • csrabl Aug 15 @ 9:39 PM EDT
    As an specific scene from a movie #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • mrm8488 Aug 15 @ 9:40 PM EDT
    I like "oneliner" CLI magic. You can build powerful utilities with 4 commands and some pipes. Example: https://t.co/B4e4bqYxmq #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • mistermocha Aug 15 @ 9:41 PM EDT
    Hey @ThePracticalDev does an rpmspec count as a script? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    I am definitely not that good with the bash. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrm8488, @ThePracticalDev
  • walkersaxplayer Aug 15 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss post your fav scripting resources: https://t.co/DGQiFWZ3d9
  • Max802_16 Aug 15 @ 9:42 PM EDT
    Automation, configuration, deployment, and initialization. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • DaleHagglund Aug 15 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    scripting: just programming, but often small, often special purpose, often just for author, often in a low ceremony language. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    I'm now stealing this one. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @walkersaxplayer
  • bendhalpern Aug 15 @ 9:43 PM EDT
    A self-contained block of code with a clear outcome in mind and no messy dependencies #devdiscuss
  • samjarman Aug 15 @ 9:44 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss Nothing like a bit of hacking stuff together... but it's important to realise that might not be a good final solution
  • JhonnyBillM Aug 15 @ 9:46 PM EDT
    Yes. I feel kind of powerful. Automating a task within just a few minutes excites me. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    You mean besides googling? 😜 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @walkersaxplayer, @ThePracticalDev
  • mrm8488 Aug 15 @ 9:47 PM EDT
    I have another repo https://t.co/z0OX0CQm2t #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • jessleenyc Aug 15 @ 9:48 PM EDT
    @ThePracticalDev In the instructors lounge, I was known as "the girl who wanted to write bash scripts" at my bootcamp. #devdiscuss
  • gillchristian Aug 15 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss I don't do scripting as much as I should/like. I feel like I could automate much more
  • daveaglick Aug 15 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    I really enjoy the other side: writing tools that empower users to use scripting (as opposed to config files for example) #DevDiscuss
  • TiffanyW_412 Aug 15 @ 9:49 PM EDT
    I have yet to sit down and learn shell scripting. Too focused on learning to program to fiddle with it. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • ProgrammerAl Aug 15 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    I tend to think of scripting as a one off thing. Try to keep it to one file that doesn't need scrolling. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    not a bad title :D #devdiscuss
    In reply to @jessleenyc, @ThePracticalDev
  • TiffanyW_412 Aug 15 @ 9:50 PM EDT
    It seems incredibly daunting with the cryptic commands and flags. I just don’t have time rn. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • ProgrammerAl Aug 15 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    I see it as just another task. Though the mind shift is nice from other 'normal' dev work. Just a different kind of automation. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    Awesome suggestion for @climagic #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrm8488, @ThePracticalDev, @climagic, @climagic
  • gdavis92 Aug 15 @ 9:51 PM EDT
    I love scripting. Bash is a ton of fun and pretty easy to get something powerful going. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @DevDiscussHQ
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:52 PM EDT
    You eventually will. It took me a few years before I got to it. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @TiffanyW_412, @ThePracticalDev
  • gillchristian Aug 15 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss mostly because I lack the knowledge. But I'm learning, slowly but surely.
  • walkersaxplayer Aug 15 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss grep and find are two of my biggest 'debugging' tools combine with good&careful bash 😙
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:53 PM EDT
    Start small. Do you find yourself doing the same sequence of terminal commands often? Stick them in a script file. First script! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @TiffanyW_412, @ThePracticalDev
  • AntonFrattaroli Aug 15 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    I would script something that would never need changes. Like archiving old log files. I don't see much use. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @phillipcjohnson, @ThePracticalDev
  • gillchristian Aug 15 @ 9:54 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss scripting for me is writing some sort of tasks to automate something related to my interactions with the computer or 1/x
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    Another example - here are some basic scripts for a CI/CD pipeline - https://t.co/h8LAVB1k6T #devdiscuss
  • gillchristian Aug 15 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss something related to (running) software (deploy, tests)
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    I'll count it. See: you're a scripter! ;) #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @TiffanyW_412, @ThePracticalDev
  • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:55 PM EDT
    In the last few minutes of #DevDiscuss, anybody have any news to share, like a project or a personal win, or any other announcement?
  • TiffanyW_412 Aug 15 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Glad to see someone not immediately jump in. Always feels like I’m not really a developer because I don’t write shell scripts #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @ThePracticalDev
  • mrm8488 Aug 15 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    Echa un vistazo al Tweet de @mrm8488: https://t.co/vjEptHyGEK #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @ThePracticalDev, @climagic, @mrm8488
  • gillchristian Aug 15 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    #devdiscuss something related to (running) software (deploy, tests) 2/x
  • Red_Shirt_no2 Aug 15 @ 9:56 PM EDT
    #DevDiscuss Repeated tasks; mostly regression, load testing, data analysis. I do use fc a lot to build up complex one-offs...
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    Your a developer who doesn't write shell scripts. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @TiffanyW_412, @ThePracticalDev
  • TiffanyW_412 Aug 15 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    Hahaha. I suppose. I’ll get to it eventually. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @CWReaceJr, @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Aug 15 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    It works really well in deployments, because I can't be on the server when the process is running - it's out of my hands. #devdiscuss
  • samueletie Aug 15 @ 9:57 PM EDT
    Can I consider using selenium somewhat scripting? currently using it to automate some tasks at work. But sometimes it doesn't #devdiscuss
  • TiffanyW_412 Aug 15 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    Yeah? I hope that’s the case. I go to a nix forum and am overwhelmed by the commands. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @gbhorwood, @bendhalpern, @ThePracticalDev
  • AminSpeaks Aug 15 @ 9:58 PM EDT
    I was a salesman 2 years ago. Personal paramount win tbh. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • AtomicBlom Aug 15 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Rick rolling the entire company by searching and replacing mp3s on the company's file server 😎. #DevDiscuss
    • ThePracticalDev Aug 15 @ 9:17 PM EDT
      When do you typically find yourself writing scripts? Repeated tasks, one offs, deployment, convenience? #devdiscuss
  • CWReaceJr Aug 15 @ 9:59 PM EDT
    Sure, just don't tell anyone I often use PHP for scripting type tasks because I know it much better than bash. 🙄 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @samueletie