#ELLCHAT Archive
#ELLCHAT is a repository for ideas related to teaching English Language Learners.
Monday September 26, 2016
9:00 PM EDT
massignmenthelp
Sep 26 @ 9:01 PM EDT
4 Interesting Facts about K-12 Education
https://t.co/opLHhYEyzC
#coascd
#colchat
#eduality
#EdVoice
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:01 PM EDT
Good evening,
#ELLCHAT
We will be focusing our talk on the effects of absenteeism on the success of ELLs - and sharing solutions
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:03 PM EDT
Q1 for
#ELLCHAT
tonight - please share your name, school district and grade level you teach as we get to know each other
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:04 PM EDT
A1: Shaeley,
#AmesCSD
K12 ESL instructional coach in Central Iowa. Excited for tonight's
#ELLChat
on attendance.
Paridad_US
Sep 26 @ 9:04 PM EDT
A1 Paridad Education Consulting - a group of EL/Bilingual education consultants that work around the US
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:05 PM EDT
a1 I’m Karen Nemeth, author/consultant/advocate for early education for ELLs/DLLs from eastern PA, co-host of
#ELLCHAT
C_C_Mitchell
Sep 26 @ 9:05 PM EDT
Every Student Succeeds Act Guidance for
#ELLs
https://t.co/OsOxsh64Vr
#ellchat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:05 PM EDT
EL Coordinator at Enlace Academy on the west side of Indianapolis. K-6
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:05 PM EDT
A1 - Judie Haynes, former K-6 ESL teacher, author.
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:06 PM EDT
For tonight’s
#ELLCHAT
we planned an important topic and this is National Attendance Month (or something like that)
leslielayman
Sep 26 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1
#ELLCHAT
Leslie Layman, coordinator Child Development program for Truman College, Chicago.
JennyVo15
Sep 26 @ 9:07 PM EDT
A1: Jenny Vo, KATY ISD, ESL ISST K-5
#ELLCHAT
#rjweesl
#RJWEKidsFirst
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:08 PM EDT
#ELLCHAT
Correction; September is National Attendance Awareness Month and we’re concerned especially about our ELL/DLL students!
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:08 PM EDT
@danielscib
join tonight if you can!
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Q2) What are the barriers to good school attendance for your ELL population?
#ELLCHAT
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:09 PM EDT
A1 I'm a high school English teacher from San Diego who teaches primarily 10th grade ELLs, IEPs & weaker readers
#ELLCHAT
AssignmentHelpN
Sep 26 @ 9:10 PM EDT
Keeping Students Interested in Classroom Teaching
https://t.co/mtv0Sqx1yf
#coascd
#colchat
#eduality
#EdVoice
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A2: Family responsibilities are sometimes a barrier for school attendance for
#ELLs
Watching younger siblings, interpreting, etc.
#ELLChat
tcesarski
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
Taylor preservice secondary math from NC
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A2 ELL families more likely to have low income, bringing loads of challenges to families to make it hard to get kids to school
#ELLCHAT
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A2 Some of my sts cross the border daily When there are issues border crossing, they are often late & sometimes just don't come
#ELLCHAT
kungfukitty75
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
#ellchat
https://t.co/o7AwVkV36B
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A2: Positive school culture, engaging classroom, a sense of community that notices the absence & quality relationships w/ parents.
#ELLCHAT
educ8orSmith
Sep 26 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A1 ESL coach PA
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:12 PM EDT
A2 - What are the barriers to good school attendance for your ELL population
#ELLCHAT
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:13 PM EDT
Those aren't barriers.. Those are the opposite. Multi-tasking at its finest.
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/04XboivkFJ
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:11 PM EDT
A2: Positive school culture, engaging classroom, a sense of community that notices the absence & quality relationships w/ parents.
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2 remember the old feeling - if I knew I was going to be humiliated for being late, easier to just stay out of school!
#ELLCHAT
kungfukitty75
Sep 26 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2: I often had students that missed school to work to provide for their family.
#ellchat
tcesarski
Sep 26 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2: Decreased ability to communicate with parents about attendance issues and what is going on in class
#ellchat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2; parents don't recognize the importance of attending.
#ELLCHAT
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2: Family obligations, lack of clean clothing, lack of resources that show that they are different.
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2) Students may stay home to babysit younger siblings.
#ELLCHAT
educ8orSmith
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
@HSeslteacher
I agree and add going to appts b/c no one can get us to school or pick us up
#ellchat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
This too. I know a high schooler who comes when they don't need him at the shop
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/lAvWPmpDsA
kungfukitty75
Sep 26 @ 9:13 PM EDT
A2: I often had students that missed school to work to provide for their family.
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A2 If you’re a little kid with parents work nights, or have chronic health or addiction issues, you can’t get yourself to school!
#ELLCHAT
MrsSaid17
Sep 26 @ 9:15 PM EDT
A1 Sarah Said Director of EL Chicago Ridge IL
#ELLCHAT
C_C_Mitchell
Sep 26 @ 9:16 PM EDT
Designating some students as
#ELLs
may actually do more harm than good
https://t.co/hM5ZQFPhjw
#ellchat
https://t.co/Os3ELirTAf
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A2 but families of ELLs who have these issues are least likely to find help in community due to language or immigrant status
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A2) I once had students who shared a winter coat.
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/R9CSf9bGYg
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2: Family obligations, lack of clean clothing, lack of resources that show that they are different.
#ELLCHAT
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@lauren_dill
Have you heard of the school that installed washing machines?
https://t.co/CWWpW5NmnQ
#ELLchat
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:16 PM EDT
@educ8orSmith
Yes! Some families go to doctor or dentist 2 hrs away due to insurance issues. Hard to make it to school then!
#ELLChat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:16 PM EDT
A2 I also know teachers who will go to students' places of work. Travel to open a restaurant less time for school
#ELLCHAT
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@eslcarissa
Yes! Such a great idea and it helps for other kids to see their struggle isn't unique.
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:17 PM EDT
@eslcarissa
@lauren_dill
Until I read that article, I hadn't realized how much lack of clean laundry could hinder school attendance
#ELLChat
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@C_C_Mitchell
I'm learning about this in my multicultural class, but when done well with an intent to scaffold, it can be helpful
#ELLchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:18 PM EDT
A2 yes-because it’s not the same in their home country or because our parent handbooks are too much to read
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/2Ub2AwAJYl
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:14 PM EDT
A2; parents don't recognize the importance of attending.
#ELLCHAT
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:18 PM EDT
@HSeslteacher
@eslcarissa
I often had a "refresh" bag for kids. It had deodorant, toothbrush, toothpaste, Cologne/perfume, etc
#ELLCHAT
leslielayman
Sep 26 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2: Limited access to health care leads to more sick days.
#ELLCHAT
ChapaTISD
Sep 26 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2) cultural priorities are different family first, school is a luxury.
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/nllIocFGbn
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:09 PM EDT
Q2) What are the barriers to good school attendance for your ELL population?
#ELLCHAT
MrsSaid17
Sep 26 @ 9:19 PM EDT
A2 family engagement is key to success of Ss in El
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:19 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
and even after explaining it, there's a disconnect.
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:20 PM EDT
A2 I wrote all about the issues families of ELLs/DLLs face in early years - and solutions - here
https://t.co/3q7gj0TUoF
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
@MrsSaid17
attendance punishments don't even exist anymore
#ELLCHAT
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A2 I tell sts 1/2 class is better than ) class. Be late, not out! We have policies that if they got sent to secondary it's excused
#ELLchat
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:24 PM EDT
A3) How do you think school attendance affects academic success?
#ELLCHAT
Paridad_US
Sep 26 @ 9:24 PM EDT
Phone calls of judgements and after schools detentions are punishments to Ss and intimidate families
#ellchat
https://t.co/cUFQUZu9tB
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:22 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
@MrsSaid17
attendance punishments don't even exist anymore
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:25 PM EDT
A3 students are already trying to play catch up with their peers. A day of instruction lost helps no one. Adds days to catch
#ELLCHAT
MrsGuedry
Sep 26 @ 9:25 PM EDT
#ELLCHAT
tonight is about attendance and family support. check it out after
#LISDChat
is over :)
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:26 PM EDT
@Paridad_US
@KarenNemethEdM
@MrsSaid17
even that doesn't happen.
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:26 PM EDT
A3 a lot of answers to this question at
https://t.co/r3POAN6j9M
#ELLCHAT
JennyVo15
Sep 26 @ 9:26 PM EDT
Asian parents value education but are very protective of their kids. Kids stay home for smallest health issues.
#ELLCHAT
#RJWEKidsFirst
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
@MrsSaid17
I never thought about it that way, but it's not just ELs if that's the case
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:28 PM EDT
A3 How do you think school attendance affects academic success?
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@JennyVo15
so respectfully you have to honor their cultural ways. Maybe deliver work when days are missed
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3 students also get thrown into RTI when it could just be interruptive schooling and be mislabeled
#ELLCHAT
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3 2 missed classes a month means students are less likely to graduate from high school
https://t.co/qvkDZ3TyGG
#ellchat
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3: Access to quality instruction is critical for student achievement. Missing school means falling behind
#ELLChat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3 Study found state by state students who miss more days get lowr test scores, affect whole school results
https://t.co/Czm51kltPu
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A2 YES! ALLLLL about helping and explaining!
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/wimXP75qbj
educ8orSmith
Sep 26 @ 9:28 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
@carlota_holder
not about explaining, about building a relationship & helping families understand US schooling
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3: The teacher is such a powerful influence, missing one day can act as a snowball effect.
#ELLChat
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:31 PM EDT
#ELLCHAT
Please be sure to answer questions with A and question #.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:31 PM EDT
exactly!
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/vn5stoui6g
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:27 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
@MrsSaid17
I never thought about it that way, but it's not just ELs if that's the case
#ELLCHAT
JennyVo15
Sep 26 @ 9:31 PM EDT
A3: Absences cause students to miss learning and social interactions that are essential for academic success.
#ELLCHAT
#RJWEKidsFirst
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:31 PM EDT
@eslcarissa
our local high school is 7 absences of tardies and no credit. Have to take again
#ELLCHAT
MsSalvac
Sep 26 @ 9:32 PM EDT
#ELLCHAT
A3) attendance is critical. Also concerned about how much my students practice producing language in English when they r not w me.
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:32 PM EDT
A3: In TX, % of school wide attendance is included in a campuses ability to achieve distinctions. Having a positive plan is key!
#ELLChat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:32 PM EDT
Of course!
#ELLCHAT
can't have that with my 75% EL population
https://t.co/uzGVl9EEr0
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:30 PM EDT
A3 Study found state by state students who miss more days get lowr test scores, affect whole school results
https://t.co/Czm51kltPu
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:33 PM EDT
A3 Resource - Every Student, Every Day
https://t.co/MEZkdHYHwH
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:34 PM EDT
A3 More subtle issue - student feels a bit awkward, misses some days, comes back unable to follow new lessons, withdraws
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:35 PM EDT
@KarenNemethEdM
gets tired of playing "catch up" so they give up 💔
#ELLCHAT
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:36 PM EDT
A4) How do you work toward good school attendance for your ELLs at the classroom level? (relationships with parents, students)
#ELLCHAT
LeaderEnglish
Sep 26 @ 9:38 PM EDT
A4 Making students feel welcome at school and missed when they don’t attend. Keeping high expectations and building relationships
#ELLCHAT
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:38 PM EDT
A4: Consider how PBIS can help turn your campus around; Home visits for the chronic absentees is also ideal; and track your data!
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4 because of the built relationship, my opinion mattered. It still does even though I'm no longer there
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4 I hope schools will work toward GOOD attendance and give up on PERFECT attendance that forces kids to come to school sick ;(
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4 I think conferencing too
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/U1czocOLT7
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:38 PM EDT
A4: Consider how PBIS can help turn your campus around; Home visits for the chronic absentees is also ideal; and track your data!
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:40 PM EDT
A4 I believe good attendance starts with the relationship you build with each individual family BEFORE school starts!
#ELLCHAT
leslielayman
Sep 26 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Reach out to missing students and welcome them back and help them catch up instead of accusing them.
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Agreed. No one is perfect
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/BV6Vkju91D
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:39 PM EDT
A4 I hope schools will work toward GOOD attendance and give up on PERFECT attendance that forces kids to come to school sick ;(
#ELLCHAT
Paridad_US
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A4 Consider being preventative and having doctors and dentists do checkups at the school so Ss don't miss for appts and illnesses
#ellchat
choosito
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
Choosito's search evaluation tool is based on Kathy Schrock's "5W's for Web Evaluation"
#edchat
#edtech
#ellchat
https://t.co/Zl7g372VuT
eslcarissa
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@carlota_holder
We do... 8 I think and then their grade can drop... but it's teacher discretion.
#ELLchat
educ8orSmith
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
@MsSalvac
or collaborating with peers
#ellchat
MsSalvac
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A4) The students create the norms for the classroom. I do a lot of teambuilding so that they want to come to class.
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A4 yes. Change our attitudes, be less judgmental, more helpful. Is usually out of child's control
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/opiFyuGLOx
leslielayman
Sep 26 @ 9:40 PM EDT
Reach out to missing students and welcome them back and help them catch up instead of accusing them.
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:42 PM EDT
A4 we do this!
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/6gu35RQO9Z
Paridad_US
Sep 26 @ 9:41 PM EDT
A4 Consider being preventative and having doctors and dentists do checkups at the school so Ss don't miss for appts and illnesses
#ellchat
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A5) Attendance Awareness Promotional Materials
https://t.co/RADKz3rP2U
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A4 Especially with preK DLLs, it’s all about the families - and how we welcome them sets the stage for the whole school career!
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:43 PM EDT
A4: Relationships are important, but attendance is often a systems issue, beyond control of individual student or teacher.
#ELLChat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A4 one way to change our attitudes is to think of chronic absenteeism as a cry for help - and try to spot it before it goes too far
#ELLCHAt
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A5) What measures has your school taken to solve the problem of chronic absenteeism?
#ELLCHAT
TwitLiveEvents
Sep 26 @ 9:46 PM EDT
September 26, 2016 at 10:00PM Twitter Chat -
#ellchat
#TwitterChat
Visit
https://t.co/52cTeoQ3Zw
for more events.
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:46 PM EDT
A4 if out of students control, try to meet them half way
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/TGLOBaOgHw
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:45 PM EDT
A4 one way to change our attitudes is to think of chronic absenteeism as a cry for help - and try to spot it before it goes too far
#ELLCHAt
bradilredmon
Sep 26 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A4 Make the classroom a place where students WANT to be by building strong relationships with our students.
#ELLCHAT
#ktrjwe
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A4 so now we can see,
@HSeslteacher
- maybe technology can be a big solution to help ELLs stay connected when absent!
#ELLCHAT
Paridad_US
Sep 26 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A4 Schools that implemented a school laundry program to wash Ss' clothes saw improved attendance
https://t.co/bfebkTbTfU
#ellchat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A5 reaching out to parents, encourage, less discourage
#ELLchat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:48 PM EDT
A5 we provided parent with a gas card to get student to school during a difficult time
#ELLchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:48 PM EDT
A4 If our goal is to keep our students learning - then the goal isn’t get them in the building - just get the learning to them
#ELLCHAT
ChapaTISD
Sep 26 @ 9:49 PM EDT
A5 yes, making parents feel welcome and staying positive with Ss performance 1st.
#ELLCHAT
https://t.co/nvs2H6G3ld
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:47 PM EDT
A5 reaching out to parents, encourage, less discourage
#ELLchat
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:50 PM EDT
@educ8orSmith
@Paridad_US
honestly I'd rather my son get things done at school than taking off work or leaving early for it
#ELLCHAT
ChapaTISD
Sep 26 @ 9:50 PM EDT
A5 created ESL classes for parents so they can communicate more confidently with teachers and students
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:52 PM EDT
A5: Surveying Ss about reasons behind missing school to tailor approach to needs.
#ELLChat
nardaesolis
Sep 26 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A4 We must educate ourselves on the cultural diversity and nuances of our ELL families so that we can in turn educate them.
#ELLCHAT
carlota_holder
Sep 26 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A5 make the best out of the times the student is there
#ELLchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:53 PM EDT
A4 I’ve known some schools that make a student committee to talk about absentee issues and solutions - and peer supports
#ELLCHAT
JennyVo15
Sep 26 @ 9:54 PM EDT
A4: Create a type of classroom community where students want to be present and are comfortable asking for help.
#ELLCHAT
#RJWEKidsFirst
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:54 PM EDT
meant A5 I’ve known some schools that make a student committee to talk about absentee issues and solutions - and peer supports
#ELLCHAT
nardaesolis
Sep 26 @ 9:54 PM EDT
A5 Our school targets high absentee days and makes them celebrations and events no one wants to miss!
#ELLCHAT
DolezsarGlarvin
Sep 26 @ 9:55 PM EDT
#CaringClassroom
Chat in 5 min!
#ELLCHAT
#K12talent
#Kinderchat
#ksedchat
#TeacherEdChat
#TLAP
#USedchat
https://t.co/DUkUS6K6N6
judiehaynes
- Moderator
Sep 26 @ 9:55 PM EDT
Q6) How does your school track chronic absenteeism in your school?
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Sep 26 @ 9:57 PM EDT
A6: We use Early Indicator System (EIS) based on absences, referrals & failing grades. School team meets & addresses most at risk
#ELLChat
LeaderEnglish
Sep 26 @ 9:58 PM EDT
A6 We have an intervention team that meets with Ss and Ps to develop systems
#ELLCHAT
lauren_dill
Sep 26 @ 9:59 PM EDT
A6: Some districts have the data brought into
@ELLevationED
so it makes it easier to see the full picture of the child.
#ELLCHAT