#ILedchat Archive

#ILedchat is a great way for Illinois educators to share teaching strategies, educational resources, and more.
Monday December 12, 2016
10:00 PM EST
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:00 PM EST
    Welcome Friends, the #ILedchat team (@kathyamelton, @jmaraldo, @misterabrams, @robert_schuetz, @memayer21, @lmstump) is glad you’re here!
    In reply to @kathyamelton, @jmaraldo, @misterabrams, @robert_schuetz, @memayer21, @lmstump
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Hi, Jon from Goshen, NY here joining #ILedchat if that's cool!!
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Dave Wheeler, elem principal, Thompson ND #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Full disclosure, I'm not an expert on this topic, but I want to learn more about grading with all of you! #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Megan, HS Math Teacher from Schaumburg. We are talking about my favorite thing tonight - BETTER and HEALTHIER grading practices. #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Please include #ILedchat to engage in our chat this evening. We’ll be posting an archive later tonight.
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Hi Paul! How are you doing? #iledchat
    In reply to @MrDesruisseaux
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Joining from Ohio! Glad to be here! #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Please, introduce yourself, your role in EDU, and where you're tweeting from tonight. #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:02 PM EST
    Hello Lynn, long time no tweet. Glad you could join us! #ILedchat
    In reply to @llease
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Please share relevant resources with #ILedchat tonight. We’ll link them on our G+ community. https://t.co/eEgnLA8Jw0
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Hello Bob, Larry Hyde, Co-Director of Midwest Principals' Center. Looking forward to learning and sharing! #iledchat
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Alex Larson applied technology teacher tweeting from the frozen tundra of Lake Zurich #ILedchat
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Good Evening! I'm Courtney Parker - elementary principal from Texas! #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Glad you could join us tonight. I need some hand-holding here. #GradingGuru #ILedchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Pete, supt of suburban elem district outside Chicago from Lockport #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:05 PM EST
    My main gig is supporting faculty to excellence as teachers so our stdts experience excellence as learners! #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Hello Everyone! Bob, T/C @PalatineHS Tweeting from chilly Libertyville, IL tonight. Proud to be here with all of you! #ILedchat
    In reply to @PalatineHS
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Hello Larry - glad you're here! #ILedchat
    In reply to @MPC_Principals
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Those of you tweeting from "chilly" or "frozen tundra", it is -12 degrees in ND tonight :) #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Welcome Alex! #ILedchat
    In reply to @STEMedTeacher
  • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Jon, supt from Red Bud, IL #iledchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Fantastic!! And thanks for the digital high-five! #iledchat
    In reply to @MrDesruisseaux
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Dr. Dea from Western Illinois, working through ROEs, IARSS Fiundations and Beyond #iledchat
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hi from Western IL! Tech/Library teacher. Currently working on small STEM activity for kids ##iledchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hi Jon!! How are you doing? #iledchat
    In reply to @SuptTallman
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    I taught 🍎1stGr at Private Schools. Currently in CA waiting for Palo Alto job to begin. #iledchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    I love that Supts join #iledchat
    In reply to @SuptTallman
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Whoa! That's ch, ch, ch, chilly! Glad you're here! We'll try to keep you warm with our hot topic! #ILedchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    @gkkent you should join us at #iledchat
    In reply to @gkkent
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:07 PM EST
    Hi everyone! #iledchat I am tweeting from frozen Burr Ridge. I’m a consultant focused on teaching & learning with tech.
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:08 PM EST
    We use the Q/A format & we will start with our first question momentarily. Be sure to use our favorite hashtag! #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:08 PM EST
    We will follow the Q1, Q2, Q3 format with A1, A2, A3 in response! Get ready for our first question! #ILedchat
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:09 PM EST
    Principal at Old Quarry Middle School, leader of change #iledchat
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:09 PM EST
    HS math, MS #HipHopEd teacher in Peoria. What's good #iledchat?
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:09 PM EST
    We will have an open Q & A session later in tonight's program. We have experts in the house, I'm eager to free-form with them! #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:09 PM EST
    Q1: What is the purpose of grading? #ILedchat
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:10 PM EST
    How are things? #RedBud132 fun watching your hashtag! @SuptTallman #iledchat
    In reply to @SuptTallman
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:10 PM EST
    Welcome Meg - great to see you again tonight! Your insight is always welcome here! #ILedchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:10 PM EST
    A1) The purpose of grading SHOULD be to measure learning. That needs to be the direction we are moving to in educ. #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:11 PM EST
    A1: The purpose of grading is to communicate learning to the stakeholders. That is what was learned and what was not learned. #iledchat
  • drorzel Dec 12 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Courtney, superintendent, Frankfort, IL #iledchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:11 PM EST
    A1: traditionally grading is rewarding and punitive. Need to rethink it to be formative and growth inducing #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:11 PM EST
    I like the emphasis on should because many of us seem to be missing the mark (pun intended) with grading. #ILedchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:12 PM EST
    The purpose of grading is to attempt to measure progress toward learning clearly defined standards. #iledchat
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:12 PM EST
    A1: should be for reflection in learning and a gauge of mastery but too often it's a letter for an assignment. #iledchat
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:12 PM EST
    Sean - Dir of Instructional Tech at Marian Catholic. Big fan of @robert_schuetz @MrDesruisseaux @MeganCMoMo & other great IL edus #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz, @MrDesruisseaux, @MeganCMoMo
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:12 PM EST
    Sounds like you are describing feedback. What does feedback mean to you and your Ss? #ILedchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:12 PM EST
    #iledchat Greetings everyone! So excited to learn tonight!
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    Love this. We call them clearly defined learning goals but they are aligned to standards. Very good. #ILedchat
    • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:12 PM EST
      The purpose of grading is to attempt to measure progress toward learning clearly defined standards. #iledchat
  • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1. My supervising teacher in 1989 told me that we grade to promote reflection and learning. That answer still resonates! #iledchat
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1: Grading💯 is to assess + communicate Ss growth in conjunction w/standards + Parent/Admin expectations. #iledchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1: grading comments on report cards and written work can carry more weight than numbers #ILedchat
  • drorzel Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1: The purpose of grading is to show what Ss know and are able to do against established learning targets #sd113a #iledchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1 Kids should be allowed to redo any assignment at any time. If it's about the learning, this should be policy #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1: duel purposes - for us educators, to assess the level of achievement students make toward the learning objectives. #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    Welcome Sean! We just got started! THX for the kind words. #ILedchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @MrDesruisseaux, @MeganCMoMo
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1 It SHOULD be a tool for communication of what was or was not learned from the learning experience #iledchat
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    A1: Great question, good start for identifying perceptions & misconceptions. Grading should be an accurate indicator of learning. #iledchat
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
    #iledchat Tonight's topic was a topic at our Principal Round Table this morning.
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:14 PM EST
    A1: for stdts - to provide feedback to improve future performance. #ILedchat
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:14 PM EST
    To provide an accurate, unfiltered, measure of Ss academic learning #ILedchat
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:14 PM EST
    #iledchat A1: to assess student progress toward meeting the learning objective and to help the teacher plan.
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:14 PM EST
    FDBK is 100x's more important than a grade. A grade stops learning - FDBK redirects it. My Ss know power of FDBK #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:14 PM EST
    Way to go #ILedchat This is exactly the kind exchange we're looking for tonight! Bring it! #ILechat
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:14 PM EST
    @MeganCMoMo You two have very similar answers.... Ok who was cheating off of who? #iledchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11, @MeganCMoMo
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:15 PM EST
    A1 To provide an accurate, unfiltered, measure of Ss academic learning #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:15 PM EST
    Welcome Dea - thoughtful, helpful words - as always! #ILedchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:15 PM EST
    A1: Purpose of grading is rooted in feedback...for the S to grow and the T to adjust #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:15 PM EST
    bold statement. When is summative assessment? #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    pretty sure I copied her. Not many original thoughts coming from me. #ILedchat
    In reply to @STEMedTeacher, @MeganCMoMo
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    A1: To provide feedback to student about project/assignment re: demonstration of knowledge, quality of work, meeting requirements #iledchat
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    Unfortunately, much grading does the opposite. Stops reflection & learning because the grade has replaced learning as the goal. #iledchat
    • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:13 PM EST
      A1. My supervising teacher in 1989 told me that we grade to promote reflection and learning. That answer still resonates! #iledchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    Sounds like most of what we do in a classroom is formative (for both the teacher and the learner). #iledchat
    • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:15 PM EST
      A1: Purpose of grading is rooted in feedback...for the S to grow and the T to adjust #iledchat
  • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    A1 Unfortunately, grading has too often become an end unto itself rather than a tool to promote larger goals. #iledchat
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    A1 mixture of summative and formative measures of student mastery, focused on learning and individual growth #iledchat
  • millerg6 Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    A1. #ILedchat Purpose of grading is to appease parents. Purpose of assessment to to inform teaching.
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
    Unfortunaltely, grading is often used to differentiate other students (who is better than someone else). #iledchat
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:17 PM EST
    Evening everyone, sorry I am late to the party...BOE meeting, glad to be here #iledchat
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:17 PM EST
    Q1 - To provide students with feedback regarding mastery & areas for growth. #iledchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:17 PM EST
    A1: in discussion of grades: data is not a dirty word. Let kids retry though. @eric_mazur concept of retesting in groups is cool #ILedchat
    In reply to @eric_mazur
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:17 PM EST
    It is unfortunate and I apologize to 100's of former students. But that's what chats like this are here to fix. #iledchat
    • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
      A1 Unfortunately, grading has too often become an end unto itself rather than a tool to promote larger goals. #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:18 PM EST
    How much choice do you give Ss with their demonstration of learning? #ILedchat
    In reply to @VWitherell
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:18 PM EST
    My college senior wrote a 20 pg paper teacher wrote two sentences of feedback. “Dan what was the grade?” #iledchat
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:18 PM EST
    Exactly! #iledchat
    • millerg6 Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
      A1. #ILedchat Purpose of grading is to appease parents. Purpose of assessment to to inform teaching.
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:18 PM EST
    great perspective of the question!! Assessment vs Grading - well done! #ILedchat
    In reply to @millerg6
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    I'm hearing you Meg! Great point! #ILedchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    Student voice and choice is all over the ISTE standards. We need to offer Ss a way to demonstrate their learning #iledchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:18 PM EST
      How much choice do you give Ss with their demonstration of learning? #ILedchat
      In reply to @VWitherell
  • DrToddJKoehl Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    A1: To gauge S progress toward independent and consistent mastery of the skills required in the standard #iledchat #troy30c
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    As it should be. So if it's formative, why do we put 'final' grades on HW, projects, quizzes & then average them? #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    Sorting students is ok if we are looking at their learning rather than a collection of points or an arbitrary % #iledchat
    In reply to @MPC_Principals
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    One would hope there was more feedback given along the way to support the Ss in their learning #iledchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
    At the end of the unit, summative occurs. If a kiddo doesn't do well, relearns and wants to retake, have at it. #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Wow, Impressive beginning everyone! Question 2 coming up momentarily. #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Well, you know me well enough that I am not a part of the "we" you speak of. haha! #iledchat #stopunhealthygradingpractices
    In reply to @polonerd
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Q2: What are popular misconceptions associated with traditional grading? #ILedchat
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Exactly. If I get a C on a project, I'm disappointed but I put it behind me. I don't go back to it & fix it. #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • MrPowley Dec 12 @ 10:20 PM EST
    A1 grading should be a statement of progress. It's why I use XP grading. Simple grading that quickly shows where learner is #ILedchat
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    A book study to better understand grading mindsets & explore grading reform: Grading from the Inside Out https://t.co/eddk7dWB79 #iledchat
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    That "we" was definitely tossed out there with reckless abandonment. #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    A1: For parents, purpose of grades is to inform them how their kids are doing wrt the teacher's expectations. #ILedchat
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    I'm going to be in and out of the chat this evening. I've been ill. #iledchat
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    Unfortunately, not much right NOW. Not trying to make excuses with 1st yr in new position, but I have big plans! #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    I hope that other educators are as reflective as your practice! #ILedchat
    • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:17 PM EST
      It is unfortunate and I apologize to 100's of former students. But that's what chats like this are here to fix. #iledchat
      • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:16 PM EST
        A1 Unfortunately, grading has too often become an end unto itself rather than a tool to promote larger goals. #iledchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    A2: popular misconception about traditional grading: "grades matter" #ILedchat
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:21 PM EST
    Oh averages... Why do we cling to you with such intensity? #mathISgreatAVERAGESforEDareNOT #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @MeganCMoMo
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    I like your suggestion. THX for sharing this resource! (Others take note!) #ILedchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    No feedback through the process, no group work, Dan is not used to feedback through social media and interactions. Crazy #iledchat
    • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:19 PM EST
      One would hope there was more feedback given along the way to support the Ss in their learning #iledchat
      In reply to @megormi
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2) One misconception is that traditional grading measures what students learned. Ave of scores does not=learning. #ILedchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A1: For students, much the same. How am I doing wrt to what my teacher expects of her students? #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2: LIES: Averages are useful. Homework, participation and quizzes should be used in grade calculation #stopthemadness #iledchat
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2 misconception: that it defines a fixed level of intelligence, an "I'm an A, B, C student..." mentality #iledchat
  • MrPowley Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2 pop misconception is that the % is a sign of how much a st 'knows'. Most traditional systems a awkward math formulas #ILedchat
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2: that an A means mastery of knowledge and that an F means the student knows nothing #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    interesting perspective. There is much value in learning from our errors and having the chance to improve. #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • TheSeaver1 Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2: that they teach good behaviors- sorry I'm late #ILedchat
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Not on a bell curve or only used to compare to others. Fair is not always equal. #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    Why do we hire new Ts to "fit in" to the way we do things, instead of allowing them freedom to grow. #iledchat
    In reply to @VWitherell, @robert_schuetz
  • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
    A2: Popular misconceptions of grading? That punitive measures prepare you for the real world. #iledchat
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Q2 Misconception - the grade is a reflection of intelligence. #iledchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:23 PM EST
    A2: That grades should only reflect what students have learned. #ILedchat
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:23 PM EST
    A2 grades are often diluted due to points taken off for S behavior issues...not turning in work, improper heading, etc. #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Ouch! That one probably hits home for many #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:23 PM EST
    A2: misconception - rubrics cure all grading issues. #ILedchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    A2: traditional grading misconception: "School will define your real world success or failure" #iledchat
  • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    A2 "students should study more - they'll do better on their test" NOPE. #iledchat
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    However, if traditional systems offered reassessment opportunities, learning & scores might improve student efforts! @polonerd #ILedchat
    In reply to @polonerd
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    A2-That learning stops when the grade is given....grades do not indicate an end to learning but a status update #iledchat
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    #iledchat A2 that somehow grades are the most accurate picture for finding out what Ss know or have learned.
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    True. Got me on my soapbox now! "Where does #GrowthMindset fit into the grading paradigm? #ILedchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    Fortunately I have freedom and support to grow, still adjusting myself and assessing student knowledge #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @robert_schuetz
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    Its' fine, we will only take off a few points. You're grade wont suffer that much. #iledchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
    True. A summative is never really a summative if we allow kids to redo. #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:25 PM EST
    A2: That traditional grades are meaningless. Rather, how much meaning they have depends on how well grading scheme was designed. #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:25 PM EST
    We're all with you here - growing together! #iledchat
    In reply to @VWitherell, @polonerd
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:25 PM EST
    good one! I'm proof that it does not! #ILedchat
    In reply to @JonRedeker
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:25 PM EST
    Ummmm...they don't. But quality, person, timely, standards referrence feedback does:) #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:25 PM EST
    A2 Misconception: Behavior should be counted in the gradebook Example: tardiness, asks questions #iledchat
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    Good to hear. I know a school I used to work at had one way of doing things - their way. #iledchat #cookiecutter
    In reply to @VWitherell, @robert_schuetz
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    With you, as long as all stakeholders are clear on what the grade communicates. #ILedchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    A2: That grades are too subjective. In truth, all feedback schemes are subjective. #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    And just so you know, you're not getting participation points for joining #iledchat tonight either.
    • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:25 PM EST
      A2 Misconception: Behavior should be counted in the gradebook Example: tardiness, asks questions #iledchat
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    Growth mindset language and practice needs to be the next big thing! #iledchat
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    A2 Poor grades prompt students to try harder. #iledchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    A2 That grades are a reflection of intelligence more than behavior. So not true. #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:26 PM EST
    or even #masterylearning for that matter? #ILedchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz, @MeganCMoMo
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
    Love how you include both the positive and negative for behavior. So important. #iledchat
    In reply to @STEMedTeacher
  • jpsteltz Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
    Jumping in late... Lit Coach #OnWisconsin #iledchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
    Yep, good communication drives all schemes. #ILedchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
    How many of you rely on a digital program to calculate student grades? What does this suggest about professional judgement? #ILedchat
  • TheSeaver1 Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
    yes! How much does that suck for the student?!? #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    We're playin' in the same band Meg! Love it! #ILedchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    Why take off points for late work? If the objective is learning the material, does the timeline matter so much? #iledchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    I had a mtg with Ps, gave them 2 marked versions of same assmnt -1 with points, 1 with fdbk. which did Ps prefer? #iledchat
    In reply to @MPC_Principals
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    But, but, but, I was here... It's like I tried doing my homework but didn't understand it... #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    A2 Well I got a "C" I learned it enough to pass. Creates and promotes an unintended level or ceiling of learning. Very limiting #iledchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    Its defeating for most. #iledchat
    In reply to @TheSeaver1
  • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
    I see the fear of "needing grades" holding educators back in exploring innovative practices. So disappointing! #iledchat
  • DrToddJKoehl Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    A2: A score of 90% means that the S is learning and informs a T of next steps #iledchat #troy30c
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Boom! #iledchat
    • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
      Why take off points for late work? If the objective is learning the material, does the timeline matter so much? #iledchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Not sure I would consider that a misconception. School is pretty important. #iledchat
    In reply to @JonRedeker
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    We all should use a digital grade book & allow flexibility for subjectivity in assessments & final scores 2 provide human element #iledchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
      How many of you rely on a digital program to calculate student grades? What does this suggest about professional judgement? #ILedchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    yep! I do still miss my green gradebook! #ILedchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • whalen Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    This! How many times have I heard "well thats just how the numbers came out..." #ILedchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
      How many of you rely on a digital program to calculate student grades? What does this suggest about professional judgement? #ILedchat
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Descriptive feedback w/formative assmnt needs precede gradng practice. Opportunities 2redo replace summative scores placed 2early #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Not criticism. Driving necessary conversation. Programs can be very unfair evaluators. #ILedchat
    In reply to @jaisimmons09
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    If S doesnt turn in the work, its hard to credit the S for it. #iledchat
    In reply to @TheCourtneyP
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:29 PM EST
    Grades r used as leverage for good behaviors. We penalize 4 late work, sloppy work, etc. Has nothing 2 do with learning #iledchat
    In reply to @memayer21
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Well I gave myself a B- as a principal today! #iledchat
    • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:22 PM EST
      A2: Popular misconceptions of grading? That punitive measures prepare you for the real world. #iledchat
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:30 PM EST
    I dread the, 'Oh well, I didn't fail' comment when I hand back tests. #ILedchat
    In reply to @OQMSMRB
  • jpsteltz Dec 12 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Agreed. I find grades insignificant to learning, little correlation. In fact, there may be a conflict of interest between the 2 #iledchat
    • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
      I see the fear of "needing grades" holding educators back in exploring innovative practices. So disappointing! #iledchat
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Interesting points...I thought you were referring to the use of factoring grades while including behaviors #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:30 PM EST
    Great Point #iledchat
    In reply to @lmstump
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:31 PM EST
    Sure, but are they real world skills? I get way more latitude as an adult than kids get in schools. #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:31 PM EST
    For many disadvantaged parents, grades are the only efficient way to monitor their kids' progress. #iledchat
    In reply to @lmstump
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:31 PM EST
    Q3: Why should educators move away from traditional grading paradigms? #ILedchat
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:31 PM EST
    An obstacle for teachers - being able to 'justify' grades given. % is an EASY way to do this but not the right way. #iledchat
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:31 PM EST
    #iledchat Sometimes I think the program handicaps us. Especially when we don't even know who is failing.
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    how often do the grades accurately represent student knowledge attainment? #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @lmstump
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Ohhh, I see. I have seen separate grades for academic and citizenship sometimes. #iledchat
    In reply to @memayer21
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Hugging it out! THX for sharing your thoughts on this. #ILedchat
    In reply to @jaisimmons09
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Do u mean simply a tool that computes the averages? See no harm in that. #ILedchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Program just does what we tell it to. Still averaging grades, not showing growth. Ss need portfolios #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz, @jaisimmons09
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Digital grading has weakened professional understanding of grading practice. Too much dependence on numbers diminish prof judgment #iledchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:27 PM EST
      How many of you rely on a digital program to calculate student grades? What does this suggest about professional judgement? #ILedchat
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
    Grades. Via #ILedchat
    • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:24 PM EST
      A2-That learning stops when the grade is given....grades do not indicate an end to learning but a status update #iledchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A3: move away from traditional grading paradigms and allow a growth model. Even students want to grade their teachers. Why not? #iledchat
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    I hope they chose feedback, which would provide the learner more precise information to learn from. #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    .@dayankee Because allowing retakes instills procrastination and just buries the student in work as he gets farther behind. #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • nick_schumacher Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A3 completion does not equal learning. #iledchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    Agree. So many times we try to find or create data to support what we already know. Exhausting! #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A3: Traditional grading practices are flat out unethical. In many cases Ts are penalizing Ss for the money their parents make. #iledchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A3) Because it is time to measure learning of our children and not assess punctuality, behaviors, etc. to create a grade. #ILedchat
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    agreed - but I have to show up on time & meet deadlines. I do 10% penalty with Ss. There's a consequence, but not huge. #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    I think you mentioning "averages" will strike up some discussion. #ILedchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    A3-Traditional grades do not often inform families about academic attainment, simply completion of tasks #iledchat
  • mrsgeomath Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    #iledchat I integrated gamification this year & Ss are more concerned about their points & leveling up than what the grade book shows.
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    I may not be able to read English or have time to read feedback, but an A instantly tells me all is well. #iledchat
    In reply to @lmstump
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    100% saw first hand why I do not put grades on assessments - they LOVED it! It was such powerful conversation #iledchat
    In reply to @MPC_Principals
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
    Anyone using digital porfolios to document learning evidence? #ILedchat
    • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
      Program just does what we tell it to. Still averaging grades, not showing growth. Ss need portfolios #iledchat
      In reply to @robert_schuetz, @jaisimmons09
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    In the real world Ss need a portfolio of growth, not a series of letter grades. #iledchat
    • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:32 PM EST
      Program just does what we tell it to. Still averaging grades, not showing growth. Ss need portfolios #iledchat
      In reply to @robert_schuetz, @jaisimmons09
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    #iledchat A3 because we don't use them to inform our practice and Ss/Ps see them as evidence of intelligence.
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    Depends on the teacher. But that's true of all systems. #ILedchat
    In reply to @memayer21, @lmstump
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    exactly..this dilutes grades & they are no longer a true reflection of S learning! S organizational skills needed #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • millerg6 Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    A3. #ILedchat It will provide more students with the opportunity to succeed.
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    Programs like @schoology @goformative Google Docs & others allow for comments & input from Ts. Not focused on final grade. #iledchat
    In reply to @Schoology, @goformative
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    That can happen but it also gives us a better understanding of what the kiddos actually have mastered #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    Bona fide statistical tool from what I can tell. :) #ILedchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    A3 We have rooted ourselves in this irrational fear of change, this stems from many areas. Time to realize the potential Ss have. #iledchat
  • TheSeaver1 Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    A3: many reasons- one I love is that we must put students in charge of their own evaluating- have them OWN the experience #ILedchat
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
    Tell us more #iledchat
    • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:33 PM EST
      100% saw first hand why I do not put grades on assessments - they LOVED it! It was such powerful conversation #iledchat
      In reply to @MPC_Principals
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    so exhausting! I hate putting grades in to meet a quota... #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee, @doctordea
  • jpsteltz Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    A3: email I received today informed me a student's low grade due to lack of effort. How does this grade represent student learning #iledchat
  • MrPowley Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    A3 grades are a fact of life in ed. Should be seen as an opportunity to create better communication and learning #ILedchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    I get that. It is a struggle but maybe we should have a separate grade for "study habits" #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    A3) Behavior should not be a measurement of student learning. It should be measured by itself and assessed by itself. #ILedchat
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Do people like having digital grade books open to parents? Does that remove the subjectivity to help a kid for effort later? #iledchat
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    So true. Certain🍎Districts wanted Ts to put their Edu on a shelf + teach "their way." #ILedchat
    In reply to @VWitherell, @polonerd, @robert_schuetz
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    A4: Because a 70% doesn't describe what was/wasn't learned and doesn't direct the next steps for learners #iledchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Right, which is why the correct answer is "it depends." In some cases, retakes ok. Not in all. #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Ss need to own their learning if they will become life long learners! #iledchat
    • TheSeaver1 Dec 12 @ 10:34 PM EST
      A3: many reasons- one I love is that we must put students in charge of their own evaluating- have them OWN the experience #ILedchat
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Good thing school isn't in the real world :( #snark We need to give Ss access to space where they can share their voice. #iledchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
    Right on Dave! #ILedchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    A3 Growth is limited, every kid is on the honor roll and the world is asking for collaborators and problem solvers.hmmm #iledchat
  • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    A3. The choice between traditional and standards-based grading does not have to be an "either/or" proposition. #iledchat
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    And I am SO thankful for this PLN! #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz, @polonerd
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    It seems good educators are trying to swim against the current of parental cultural interpretation of what grading 'means' #iledchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Some Ts are better at making their grades accurate than others. #ILedchat
    In reply to @memayer21, @lmstump
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    that makes me want to hear more about instructional practices then student effort #iledchat
    In reply to @jpsteltz
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    I love that idea! I wish my grades were a true reflection of content mastery! #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Professionals need 2take charge & responsibility 4the profession. Teaching & Assessment is art & science. We've gotten 2scientific #iledchat
    • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:28 PM EST
      I see the fear of "needing grades" holding educators back in exploring innovative practices. So disappointing! #iledchat
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    A3 to more accurately reflect 21st century learning/skills needed to constructively navigate towards personal and societal goals #iledchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
    Mtg with Ps to discuss the benefits of SBG. It was great! #iledchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:37 PM EST
    Honor roll - another ranking system who's best days have passed. Eliminate rankings, it's not a competion. #ILedchat
    In reply to @OQMSMRB
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:37 PM EST
    Me too. When we include so many peripheral things in our grading, the grade becomes less meaningful #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:37 PM EST
    It doesn't. A lack of effort is a behavior. Frequent Form Assess of this child will measure his/her learning. #ILedchat
    • jpsteltz Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
      A3: email I received today informed me a student's low grade due to lack of effort. How does this grade represent student learning #iledchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:37 PM EST
    Agreed. I think that's great! #iledchat
    In reply to @STEMedTeacher, @spanish_jones
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
    so maybe our learning objectives need to also shift? #ILedchat
    In reply to @OQMSMRB
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
    If we allow retakes we need to eliminate the grade. What's the point? Everyone gets a trophy (oops) I mean an A #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @dayankee
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
    Exactly! Does your district require a certain # of grades/wk? #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
    Friends, breaking from T-chat norm. The next twenty minutes are yours to drive this conversation with deep questions & solutions #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
    Buying extra credit (tissues), getting no help at home for HW bc Ps aren't home #iledchat
    In reply to @MrDesruisseaux
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    is that done by changing HOW we grade or by changing WHAT we grade? #ILedchat
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    With no grades why would a student do it again? #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @dayankee
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    Not every kid is going 2 want 2 retake & there has to be some relearning before they can. The idea is to learn #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @jwalkup
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    #iledchat Standards-based Assessment and Grading with Rick Wormeli on Apr 18. Hot topic with top authority! https://t.co/MNgjraqf2U…
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    Hey #iledchat What do you use for feedback for students?
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    one or two #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    I taught in HS w/traditional grading systems but still developed standards-based teaching & assessment measures. Can be done! #ILedchat
    • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
      A3. The choice between traditional and standards-based grading does not have to be an "either/or" proposition. #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:39 PM EST
    We have experts in the house! Let inquiry take over. Ask away! #ILedchat
  • poida Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    @lmstump trouble is there's a whole "ecosystem" around grades that has far and wide reaching direct/indirect impact ⚠️ #iledchat
    In reply to @jpsteltz, @lmstump
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    @TheCourtneyP May indicate the value of the student's work if he never turns it in. What good is a grant that's never submitted? #iledchat
    In reply to @TheCourtneyP
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    Who is ready to try personalized learning? Give me a couple of classrooms. Let’s create student voice and choice! #iledchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
      Friends, breaking from T-chat norm. The next twenty minutes are yours to drive this conversation with deep questions & solutions #ILedchat
  • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    A3.There are elements of standards-based assessment that better inform instruction and promote learning than traditional practices #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    I want a front row seat! THX Larry! #ILedchat
    In reply to @MPC_Principals
  • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    A3: Traditional grading paradigm has been based on what S earned rather than what S learned....what do want? That is the reason #iledchat
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    Agreed but it is very difficult for many not to be when their career literally depends on growth, there are better ways #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    iActually kept my grade books like keepsakes. #patheticiKnow #ILedchat
    In reply to @llease, @robert_schuetz
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    A 0 doesn't accurately reflect S knowledge of skill. Behavior or organizational skills to get work turned in needed #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    is there a timeline to learning? Not about the grade, more about being able to recognize and improve based on feedback #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    A3: Because what DOES getting a C mean (as only feedback)? What does it measure? What does it tell Ss about their knowledge? #iledchat
  • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    I think this is why they offer the best option now #iledchat
    In reply to @LaustenTeaching, @jwalkup, @lmstump
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    Digital portfolios that follow stdts and provide evidence of learning ... Yay or Nay? #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
    I am running 2 workshops at #ICE2017 First about healthy grading practices and then about feedback for learning #iledchat
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    When I was in HS, if u asked me to redo an assignment that wasnt graded.... ha ha ha! #iledchat
    In reply to @dayankee, @polonerd
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    YES! #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    I have, thanks! #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones, @RecapThat
  • nick_schumacher Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    I am not certain if it is a win or lose scenario? #iledchat
    • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
      If we allow retakes we need to eliminate the grade. What's the point? Everyone gets a trophy (oops) I mean an A #iledchat
      In reply to @jwalkup, @dayankee
  • JonRedeker Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    How do we honor kids well for achievements not reflected solely in grades? We call it "Goshen Greats" & we nominate deserving kids #iledchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    Agreed. New grade replaces the old #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup, @polonerd
  • jpsteltz Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    Correct. Lack of effort in class from student who reads above grade level & consumes books regularly does not reflect ELA ability #iledchat
    • memayer21 Dec 12 @ 10:36 PM EST
      that makes me want to hear more about instructional practices then student effort #iledchat
      In reply to @jpsteltz
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    Don't have to convince me. I am in the "all learning is personal" camp. Would love to collaborate on a program with you! #ILedchat
    In reply to @megormi
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:41 PM EST
    @jpsteltz Whaaaaat?! No. #iledchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11, @jpsteltz
  • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    Understood. But by allowing retakes u introduce other nasty problems. #iledchat
    In reply to @TheCourtneyP
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    Yep Frequent Form assess drives learning as well as teaching. When S's "don't get it" we start there the next day w/new strategy #ILedchat
    • WillCounty92 Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
      A3.There are elements of standards-based assessment that better inform instruction and promote learning than traditional practices #iledchat
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    Love this - voice & choice #iledchat
    • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
      Who is ready to try personalized learning? Give me a couple of classrooms. Let’s create student voice and choice! #iledchat
      • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
        Friends, breaking from T-chat norm. The next twenty minutes are yours to drive this conversation with deep questions & solutions #ILedchat
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    Used to use Google Drive and Blogger in my old district. Not there yet where I am now. #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    both🙂 Pushes towards individualized instruction, use of rubrics, project-based learning, collaborative structures, etc. #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    Principal once told me he wanted grades recorded 3x weekly! You can imagine what I convincingly shared: 2many grades hurt kids. #iledchat
    • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:35 PM EST
      so exhausting! I hate putting grades in to meet a quota... #iledchat
      In reply to @dayankee, @doctordea
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    A3 A reality is that many educators have difficulty measuring progress toward standards. Many need PD to provide them the skills. #iledchat
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
    So true. It rekindled an interest in BehaviorMgmt. That quest lead to something awful. #ILedchat #AndSoItGoes
    In reply to @dayankee, @memayer21
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:43 PM EST
    Love - not on what they earned, but on what they learned. #iledchat
    • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
      A3: Traditional grading paradigm has been based on what S earned rather than what S learned....what do want? That is the reason #iledchat
  • OQMSMRB Dec 12 @ 10:43 PM EST
    Yay, How much more will you learn from a writing portfolio than grades for assignments over the course of a year? #iledchat
    • llease Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
      Digital portfolios that follow stdts and provide evidence of learning ... Yay or Nay? #ILedchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:43 PM EST
    Definite YAY! Guide Ss as they reference their skills & products back to learning targets. #ILedchat
    In reply to @llease
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:43 PM EST
    Good idea. We all tweak until we find what works with our kids #iledchat
    In reply to @mrsgeomath, @polonerd, @jwalkup
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
    Awesome! Great opportunities for folks to dive deeper into this topic! #ILedchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
    Also, T's have to teach those skills. Respect, Responsibility, etc. 2 report cards can do that. 1 for learning, 1 for behavior #ILedchat
    • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:40 PM EST
      A 0 doesn't accurately reflect S knowledge of skill. Behavior or organizational skills to get work turned in needed #iledchat
      In reply to @jwalkup
  • MrPowley Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
    Interesting that we are all hear learning but no one is getting graded 🤔 must be another motivation... #ILedchat
  • jpsteltz Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
    While I agree effort is important, but when there is lack of effort, I wonder if there is engagement... #iledchat
    In reply to @VWitherell, @DaveWheeler11
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
    @spanish_jones @dayankee good point of discussion for grade and content level teams. Should respect classroom autonomy #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea, @spanish_jones, @dayankee
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
    Q3 - There's nothing "traditional" about education nowadays. Students need choice & grades need to reflect knowledge & mastery. #iledchat
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:45 PM EST
    Sad thing is they have been brought up to think thats normal. Ss freak out til they understand the different approach #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:45 PM EST
    love the idea. I haven't been able to manage/organize it. #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:45 PM EST
    I see what you did there, @robert_schuetz Well played! My Ss LOVED the freedom to choose their blog topic & ask own ?s #iledchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:38 PM EST
      Friends, breaking from T-chat norm. The next twenty minutes are yours to drive this conversation with deep questions & solutions #ILedchat
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:45 PM EST
    it all goes back to the purpose of grades...if it's to reflect S knowledge of skill, accom the assign to get an asses #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:46 PM EST
    I think that resonates with a lot of us, but there are far more Ts out there not in twitterland #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:46 PM EST
    I totally agree! Knowledge is everywhere our Ss need to learn how to harvest and thrive with the content. #iledchat
    • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
      Q3 - There's nothing "traditional" about education nowadays. Students need choice & grades need to reflect knowledge & mastery. #iledchat
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:46 PM EST
    Recording grades is summative practice. Determining growth is grounded in multiplicities of formative assessment. #STEMedTeacher #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:46 PM EST
    I use this recipe for my professional portfolio! https://t.co/6VoDAsSPu5 #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee, @llease
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:46 PM EST
    Q💯 thoughts on the use of grading for correctness vs. completion? Thinking from a HS math practice set perspective #iledchat
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:46 PM EST
    THERE ARE NO RULES!!!! #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:47 PM EST
    @dayankee We are supposed to have 2grades/wk - some weeks easy... others, not reflective of my Ss learning! #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea, @dayankee
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:47 PM EST
    Not if the focus of the redo is helping kiddos LEARN. If all you want is a "grade" you're right but it's about learning, redo's ok #ILedchat
    • jwalkup Dec 12 @ 10:42 PM EST
      Understood. But by allowing retakes u introduce other nasty problems. #iledchat
      In reply to @TheCourtneyP
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:47 PM EST
    that's our issue also. Logistics and systems need to be addressed. What products and processes work well? #ILedchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:47 PM EST
    iMade a COLLOSAL error in #Character judgment when iReached out to ClassDojo to promote their ClassRMmgmt app #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee, @memayer21
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:47 PM EST
    Right. Schools do quantitative data because it's easy to collect. #iledchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones, @doctordea
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:48 PM EST
    Gamified! Transformed my classroom - kids don't care about grades. They care about learning! #iledchat
    In reply to @MrPowley
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:48 PM EST
    Heard mixed reactions to ClassDojo. I would rather have the conversations with kiddos #iledchat
    In reply to @00blahblah00, @memayer21
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:48 PM EST
    Raises an interesting, unasked question, "What if we couldn't use grades" How would we communicate student growth? #ILedchat
    In reply to @MrPowley
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    Measuring student progress, providing meaningful feedback, reporting to parents - is a high level skill that can be difficult. #iledchat
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    #iledchat Heard a Principal today say that Ss have to apply to do a retake. ?s center on what they have done to prepare to demo learning.
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    Accuracy is important & so is conceptual understanding. Completion is compliance - should not be in an academic grade #iledchat
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns
  • TheCourtneyP Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    we don't all learn everything at the same time on the same day, retakes allow for differentiation #iledchat
    In reply to @jwalkup
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    #ClassDojo Employees got a hold of my Resume + CV, stole my💡+ continue to USE me. #ILedchat #IntellectualProperty
    In reply to @dayankee, @memayer21
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    Showcase their work, their products #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz, @MrPowley
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    OUCH! #iledchat
    In reply to @00blahblah00, @memayer21
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    I agree. I think it's all about creating lifelong learners. But how do we break Ss of grades as sole motivator? #iledchat
    In reply to @lmstump
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    Thanks for recognizing the voice/choice practice! #Iledchat
    In reply to @VWitherell
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
    I love this! Real conversations about learning. The world outside of schools use different measures. Should we change? YES!!! #iledchat
    • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:48 PM EST
      Raises an interesting, unasked question, "What if we couldn't use grades" How would we communicate student growth? #ILedchat
      In reply to @MrPowley
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:50 PM EST
    #iledchat Also a requirement that the retake be more comprehensive. Overall effect, retakes have gone down and more Ss take 1st time serious
    • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:49 PM EST
      #iledchat Heard a Principal today say that Ss have to apply to do a retake. ?s center on what they have done to prepare to demo learning.
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:50 PM EST
    Exactly! If it works & Ss are learning & it's objective centered, why do I need to grade it? #iledchat
    In reply to @llease
  • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:50 PM EST
    grades don't motivate most Ss, grades motivate most PARENTS - who motivate/hold accountable students #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:51 PM EST
    this is relevant to us which drives us here. We need to provide relevant learning exp for our stdts. #ILedchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones, @MrPowley
  • kathyamelton - Moderator Dec 12 @ 10:51 PM EST
    I think if you've mastered the skill, you shouldn't be required to practice as much simply for compliance. #iledchat
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:51 PM EST
    I prefer checklists&running rubrics W/sufficient records 2document formative & interim assessment is there need 2require grades? #iledchat
    • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:44 PM EST
      My struggle right now. Do I mandate a min # or do I leave it be. At the end of 9wks some Ts have 3 grades.
      In reply to @doctordea
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:52 PM EST
    Love it! If we are focused on formative assessments, we know Ss test scores b4 they take them. #iledchat
    In reply to @mrsgeomath, @dayankee, @jwalkup
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:52 PM EST
    should math sets consist of 1/2 examples, or 10/12 per learning target as typically used nationwide? 10x120 Ss = hours #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:53 PM EST
    how do you organize your practice sets? #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:53 PM EST
    Extrinsic incentives are very poor motivators, detrimental to learning, in fact. https://t.co/Qn1B0uGQ40 #ILedchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @lmstump
  • megormi Dec 12 @ 10:53 PM EST
    This is so true! Every Ss can be involved in the process of predicting their success. #iledchat
    • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:52 PM EST
      Love it! If we are focused on formative assessments, we know Ss test scores b4 they take them. #iledchat
      In reply to @mrsgeomath, @dayankee, @jwalkup
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:53 PM EST
    RIP off of a 📷iUsed to promote my relationships blog 📝 #Catfish4Muslims #IntellectualProperty #Copyright #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee, @memayer21
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:54 PM EST
    If I can do the 1st & last problem, why do I have to do the other 10? #iledchat Move on.
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns, @MeganCMoMo
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:54 PM EST
    Also, if we are using frequent F.A. with our S's do we really need large Summ Assess? What would be the point of that? #ILedchat
    • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:52 PM EST
      Love it! If we are focused on formative assessments, we know Ss test scores b4 they take them. #iledchat
      In reply to @mrsgeomath, @dayankee, @jwalkup
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:54 PM EST
    I don't put a min/max quantity on my practice sets.I provide opportunities that are appropriate for a particular target #iledchat
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns
  • doctordea Dec 12 @ 10:54 PM EST
    Try standards-based checklists and running rubrics to replace some of those grades. They better reflect the learning process. #ILedchat
    • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:47 PM EST
      @dayankee We are supposed to have 2grades/wk - some weeks easy... others, not reflective of my Ss learning! #iledchat
      In reply to @doctordea, @dayankee
  • STEMedTeacher Dec 12 @ 10:54 PM EST
    agreed this helps give Ss focus on the task and understanding of the challenges they need to overcome #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • mrsgeomath Dec 12 @ 10:54 PM EST
    #iledchat In my eyes, whether grading is traditional or untraditional, the fact that you care is what Ss yearn for and remember the most.
  • DSSI_ElemTeam Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    it should be standards-based and not about grades, but about concept attainment and measurement topics #iledchat
    In reply to @lmstump, @polonerd
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    iTaught ElemEd. I used to do miniLessons no more than 15min to ✔️for retention of mastery. #ILedchat
    In reply to @kathyamelton, @MrSt3v3ns
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    targets like solving linear systems generally require more practice with the procedural aspect. How to balance that? #iledchat
    In reply to @kathyamelton
  • llease Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    I was just reading about this very concept last week in another article. #ILedchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz, @polonerd, @lmstump
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    We are just scratching the surface of this grading topic. Please follow new-found friends - keep this conversation going! #ILedchat
  • lmstump Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    Alright #iledchat tuesday is going to come early! How am I supposed to sleep after a chat like this?! #coffee #betterstartnow
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    Depends on the variety of question in the set. #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @MrSt3v3ns
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    Exactly. What are we doing? We take old test Qs they already answered & see if they still know them 2 months later? #iledchat
    In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • dayankee Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
    Have a great Tuesday, everyone! #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:56 PM EST
    PoA (plan of action) Question coming up - thinking caps on! #ILedchat
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:56 PM EST
    Makes no sense!!! #ILedchat #TES
    • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:55 PM EST
      Exactly. What are we doing? We take old test Qs they already answered & see if they still know them 2 months later? #iledchat
      In reply to @DaveWheeler11
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:56 PM EST
    PoA: How do we shift the traditional grading paradigm? What is your plan of action? #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:56 PM EST
    Retention and ability to differentiate between concepts is important in math. #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @DaveWheeler11
  • MrSt3v3ns Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    how many do students end up completing on average? #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo
  • SuptTallman Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Great discussion...so many passionate and dedicated lead learners in this chat...and lucky Ss where they teach and lead. #iledchat
  • ConsultJodi Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Is any teacher or principal an adjunct professor? I need some brains. #iLedchat #aledchat
  • MPC_Principals Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Is the purpose of 'grading' to inform the learner or to pass judgement on the learner? #iledchat
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    That's why I teach History and Digital Media. :) #iledchat
    In reply to @MeganCMoMo, @DaveWheeler11
  • VWitherell Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    Here, here! #iledchat
    In reply to @polonerd, @MrSt3v3ns, @MeganCMoMo
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:57 PM EST
    POA) Continue w/T's to teach to our learning scales and find evidence of learning with our S's every day. Rethinking assessment #ILedchat
  • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:58 PM EST
    A: I am going to continue to hone my practices and share my experience with other Ts. Gently pushing them to healthier grading #iledchat
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:58 PM EST
    PoA A: I like @doctordea 's suggestion of reading & studying. Developing common language 4 moving evaluation out of the dark ages. #ILedchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:58 PM EST
    My students thrive on a point system where they compete as teams against each other for content mastery. #iledchat
    In reply to @robert_schuetz
  • kathyamelton - Moderator Dec 12 @ 10:58 PM EST
    If the practice has a purpose, I get that. #iledchat
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:58 PM EST
    ClassDojo is being sued for #AttemptedMurder. They teamed w/corrupt Police in IL. And another company. #ILedchat
    In reply to @dayankee, @memayer21
  • polonerd Dec 12 @ 10:58 PM EST
    There are so many great tools to record Ss reflection now. So powerful. #iledchat
    In reply to @WillCounty92, @megormi, @mrsgeomath, @dayankee, @jwalkup
  • robert_schuetz Dec 12 @ 10:59 PM EST
    With you if Ss are leveling up instead of averaging down. #ILedchat
    In reply to @spanish_jones
  • kathyamelton - Moderator Dec 12 @ 10:59 PM EST
    I think the balance is ever-changing, and that can be tricky. #iledchat
    In reply to @MrSt3v3ns
  • jaisimmons09 Dec 12 @ 10:59 PM EST
    #iledchat A4 shift my own thinking first. I still want grades or at least believe we need them. :- o
  • DaveWheeler11 Dec 12 @ 10:59 PM EST
    Totally fair, I believe w/frequent F.A. retention is proven as well as differentiation. Need more evidence though #ILedchat
    • MeganCMoMo Dec 12 @ 10:56 PM EST
      Retention and ability to differentiate between concepts is important in math. #iledchat
      In reply to @polonerd, @DaveWheeler11
  • spanish_jones Dec 12 @ 10:59 PM EST
    Great ideas! Thanks #iledchat
    In reply to @doctordea
  • 00blahblah00 Dec 12 @ 10:59 PM EST
    ClassDojo blatantly🕌Racist + Discriminatory. It's not like #Chicago where ppl value Faith Standards. ✝️🕉✡️ #ILedchat 💼
    In reply to @dayankee, @memayer21